I'm curious -- can someone who understands the technology of cpu design tell me what the real differences are between the x7510 Intel cpu and the Qualcomm cpu in the current HTC releases? Is there any significant performance difference? And how does the x7510 SDRAM compare to the Touch series DDR SDRAM memory?
Thanks!
the intel xscale beats the qualcomm anytime in my experience.
don't know about the RAM.
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finaly we can get doom3 running on our pda's well maybe we also need
SLI with some ATI or nvidia pda graphics chips but ...
yep mhz increase is significant but as I read processing power will be better in only ~25%
Which are all the Phones with - 1 GHz Qualcomm CPU ?
& which is Best of them all ?
wah, you even bring back a 2005 post about 1ghz cpu haha..
and since intel already have monahans chips out that can go up to 1ghz and even sold to marvell now, they have pxA930 tavor new chip which can run higher than 1ghz.
but xscale chip are not widely used now due to price. hence now we only get most of the pda with qualcomm chip
we have to get a snapdragon device and do a benchmark with intel monahans and tavor first
qualcomm video driver is always a problem to everyone holding onto HTC devices playback dvd resolution.
so far comparsion with intel xscale & qualcomm qtv driver, intel is still the winner.
thank you
Is there any web site that compares processors speed?
e.g. is there any difference between Intel XScale PXA270 (416mhZ) and Samsung S3C2442 (400MHz)?
Is there much of difference beside clock speed. from the msm7200 in the touch pro 2 and the xscale running at 800mhz in the omnia II in terms of performance? ANy help would be appreciated.
If you ask me it (should) make quite a difference. The msm7200 is quite notorious for it's quite allright clockspeed but slow performance.
I used to have a Diamond (with 528 mhz) and then got a Omnia (Marvell 624 mhz) which was already quite a difference. I guess the 800 mhz will make even more of a difference.
Do note that there is a big difference in resolution between the Diamond and the Omnia, so that will also give some speed increase. The Omnia II has a Samsung 800 mhz chip (as far as I know) and I don't know what kind of performance that will give.
Both cpu's are a ARMv6 (afaik), so in that perspective you could say the 800 mhz is faster than the 528 mhz.
See this:
Samsung chip: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a6410&c=samsung_s3c6410
Qualcomm chip: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200a&c=qualcomm_msm7200a
My old diamond was much slower than my current ipaq 211. The ipaq has a 624mhz marvell and is much faster and more responsive than the diamond. It can also play videos back much better. 800mhz would just increase the performance gap.
The Omnia II is Arm11 which is slightly faster than the iphone 3G(both get blown out of the water by the 3Gs), and should support OpenGL ES 2.0.
Here's Samsungs Data sheet on it: http://www.samsung.com/global/syste.../2008/5/30/785500s3c6410_datasheet_200804.pdf
The msm7200, i BELIEVE(dont quote me), would be faster than the SC36410, if it had proper drivers.. however, thats not the case.
numbers are an indicator and nothing more. They give you a clue but clues can be very misleading. If they were usefull, why would you need benchmarking?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megahertz_myth
(yeah i know wiki is sometimes full of BS but it certainly backs up what I learned in Uni and during my assembler cracking/virus writing days)
The ONLY way to compare CPU's is to run the same application and then run the SAME task in that application. Once you have done so ALL you can say is "For performing task X in application Y, processor ZXY running operating system ABC is faster on the BLAHBLAH platform" and nothing more. It does not mean its faster at everything or indeed, you cannot say its faster than ANYTHING else until you have tested it.
At the end of the day, the processor is affected by drivers, processor design and the operating system and its installaition.
and Software.. if theres no apps that incorporates acceleration, then its wasted.
what about qualcomm 1G snapdragon cpu?
how fast is that compares to current 528mzh? haha
i'm waiting for Acer S200 with 1G cpu.
netnerd said:
what about qualcomm 1G snapdragon cpu?
how fast is that compares to current 528mzh? haha
i'm waiting for Acer S200 with 1G cpu.
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please re-read and if you still don't understand, i'll try and explain again.
clearly, marvell is better, even the mhz is lesser than what qualcomm offers!
having better decoders also like video playback & multitasking when video is playing!
waiting for devices with marvell cpu pxa168 series.
they use qualcomm chip becoz its cheaper & provide hsdpa to network & GPS module while the rest does not come with it. so individual chip must be used. but its better like GPSone VS SiRF III
Which one is newer? Which one is newer technology.
Which one performs better
Which company made xscale and which made qualcomm?
Which phone brands use which? (ie. HTC, Samsung, LG, etc.)
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Qualcomm is a vendor, XScale is the name of an Intel processor normally found in PDAs such as the Dell Axim and HTC Universal. XScale is pretty old, Qualcomm is bang up-to-date. Qualcomm makes the Snapdragon and Scorpion processors, commonly found in high-end HTC smartphones like the HD2, Desire and Desire HD/Z
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XScale was Intel's venture into the ARM arena, before selling it, lock, stock and barrel to Marvell, who now manufacture and develop XScale processors. Intel now concentrate on their x86 Atom series of processors.
XScale is an ARMv5 architecture processor, ARMv5TE to be precise, whereas Qualcomm's Snapdragons are ARMv7.
Sometimes it is not always easy to compare one type of ARM processor to another, as clock frequency is not always proportional to the performance. An example is TI's OMAP chip, as found in the Wizard. While it only runs at 200MHz the device performs on a par with other PDAs with ARM chips running at 400/500Mhz
Also some versions have more peripheral units included alongside the processor's silicon. Comms, graphics, sound, keyboard controllers etc.
1. Adreno
Adreno series ATI which is made, or used to be called ATI imageon series, circa 2002-2004 is at the beginning of the release of this GPU series. In 2008, AMD imageon sold to one of the leading manufacturers of processors, namely Quallcom. And now ATI / AMD only supportsthe architecture and development only. Now Adreno series is inherited from all the SOC (System On Chip) made Quallcom.
2. PowerVR
PowerVR Series is the first artificial logic video also enliven the VGA market, but as the dominance of NVIDIA and ATI video logic now only play in the world of mobile gadgets GPU. PowerVR itself is not in production in finished form by power logic, but they are only a draft architecture, which sold thelicense to many of the leading processor manufacturers such asNEC, Intel, Freescale, Texas Instruments and others.
PowerVR Series now in its sixth series, the second ever used in its game console in the 1900s, the Dream cast, and Sega Saturn. PowerVR SGX Series 5 is the series most often found on smartphones, SGX GPU 5 is an elite in the world of smartphones, the world might belike BMW cars.
3. Mali
Mali series, this GPU is made in the ARM architecture, though still rarely heard his name, but its power can not be underestimated. Mali GPU series outstanding from HDTVs, gamingconsoles (PS3), up to a smartphone. Especially for smartphone, the series used is 400MP4 Mali (MP is the core indicators used). GPU is part of the SOC A9 1.2GHz Exynos dual-core CPU Samsung's Galaxy SII. Reportedly 400MP4 Mali is ableto render almost equivalent to the PS3 and Xbox 360.
4. GeForce ULP
Series GeForce ULP (Ultra Low Power) are concentrated in that part of the GPU Tegra 2 SOC manufactured by NVIDIA. GeforceULP uses quadcore 4 pixel shaders + 4 vertex shaders up to a total of 8 cores that are in it.
If for determining the performance of course can not be separated from what SOC is used, it is very difficult to determine the point which is used for comparison because each GPU is highly dependent on the performance and support of its SOC. For instance, SOC OMAP 4 series with SGX540 GPU vs quadcore Tegra 2 ULP GeForce GPU with 8core, hello who wouldwin? When to see the number of cores, by naked eyes 8core candidate who will be on the GeForce ULP but when calculating SOC capabilities then look OMAP 4 was able to bulldozeTegra 2, not only from the benchmark results, framerate, javascript rendering, but also within a matter of efficiency in the use battere .
This is not surprising because the OMAP 4 has a few secret weapons like supports dual channel DDR2 memory up to 1GB LP, where the new Tegra 2 is capable of using a single channel.Back again SOC capabilities greatly determine the outcome, as well as Snapdragon with its core scorpion, would be defeated perform with Tegra 2? Not really, mainly for multimedia results which force snapdragon and Adreno indeed in optimizingon this side.
i think andreno still the best one
andreno or mali :fingers-crossed:
guys I would like to go with Mali
If we're going to talk about actual numbers for actual GPUs that you can buy then this is what's available:
Adreno 320 (Snapdragon 600), Geforce ULP (Tegra3), PowerVR SGX 544MP3 (Exynos 5 quad), Mali T604 (Exynos 5 dual).
So far from what we know of 3DMark, GLBenchmark and some other tests, the approximate order of performance from best to worse is:
PowerVR, Adreno, Mali, Geforce.
This WILL change because of newer versions coming out (Tegra4 for example). For now though, I'd consider Adreno and PowerVR to be ahead, PowerVR for sheer performance and Adreno for a good balance between power, performance and die size.
ill go for mali