Had an idea but I have yet to try it. Would it be possibly to remotedly activate your Kaiser and run a GPS program to give the unit location so that you could find where you left it?
Can say Pocket Controller Pro do this when the phone is in standby mode? Then if you ever lose it all you have to do is get somewhere with internet connectivity.
if it is then i'd suspect that thiefs would remove the sim card anyway as it would be blocked when the phone was reported stolen and if they wanted to sell it or even use it themselvs they would most likely hardreset it first removing the tell tale program
yeah ultimate theft alert and where is my phone (WIMP) both do this
u send a specially formatted sms with your pin number to the device
something like <lost> 1387 and it sends you back the gps co-ordinates
but you need gps signal and for the phone to be on
good thing is (definitely with UTA) hat if they change the sim it texts you, so you can just send the special sms to the new number
and no, the sms do not show up in the inbox
Rudegar:
are theives intelligent enough to know what a hard reset is, and would they even bother, most think removing the sim makes it untraceable
Rory
Another vote for WIMP, but i think someone on this forum has developed something else to do the same thing.
This isn't about theft
This is about me leaving my kaiser somewhere safe, say at work and not being able to remember where I left it.
That's why I ask. I know about ultimate theft alert but if the thing is not found and the SIM isn't changed then that won't work. The WIMP program sounds like what I want.
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Greetings,
I recently had my phone stolen when someone smashed my car window and grabbed my phone and GPS unit. I was thinking about ways to either deter theives or perhaps even catch them after the fact.
My first thought was some sort of program on the phone that would send information about the phone back to a user specified email address. For example, let's say the person installs a new SIM card and powers up the phone. The program could auto-run and send you the new phone number now assigned to the phone. I am not sure how this would work for non-SIM phones as I don't understand how those phones get their "phone number". In addition to the phone number it could send any informaiton like Owner Info that also might help identify the person now in possession of the phone.
My second thought was why not tap into the GPS device that so many phones are now equipped with and send GPS coordinates as well. This might be difficult if the phone company locks access to the GPS functionality.
Last but not least I was wondering if there might not be a way to determine that a new SIM card was installed, even if a master reset was done on the phone. The big problem here is that you would need to have the code included as part of the firmware as a master reset might possible wipe out any internal memory on the phone. It might be interesting to flash a warning on the main screen of the phone indicating that "This Phone is Stolen" if someone tried to put their own SIM or reprogram the phone with their phone number.
Naturally I know you can "lock" the phone which will render it useless but that won't necessarily help you get it back. I figure most of these "smartphones" have enough intelligence to at least send out a text message or something.
Has anyone seen anything like this or have any ideas on what might be possible?
Thanks
TC
There are several different software packages that already do this. One is called W.I.M.P. - Where Is My Phone:
http://www.wimp-software.co.uk/
Doh! I should have used Google.
Thanks for the tip.
Anyone using WIMP? I have the demo version and am having issues getting the GPS to work. Windows Live and Google Maps work fine. Not sure why WIMP is having issues.
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cowboyshootist said:
I recently had my phone stolen when someone smashed my car window and grabbed my phone and GPS unit.
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Why would you leave this laying around in you car? My Tilt (or any phone for that matter), electronic device, and wife () always leave the car with me....
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Why would you leave this laying around in you car? My Tilt (or any phone for that matter), electronic device, and wife () always leave the car with me....
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Well, I was heading into the LA Fitness gym in Mill Creek WA. There are generally lots of people coming and going in and out of the gym and Mill Creek is not what you would call a high crime area. The phone was not in plain sight but in the cup holder between the front seats and you would have to look real hard to even know it was there.
It was actually the GPS unit that attracted the thief. Normally I put that in the glove box and take my phone with me but as I mentioned above I didn't think I was in an area where I had to worry about car break-ins.
Even so, phones get stolen all the time. My daughter had hers stolen right out of her purse at her High School. It can happen even when you don't think it can. Applications like WIMP or PhoneBak are the only defense you have against something like this. Given the technology that exists in smartphones there's no reason they can't report themselves stolen and if they have gps (like the Moto Q9) even give you their location.
The funny thing is the thief was stupid enough to put his contacts onto the phone without having done a hard reset. The next day all his contacts were synch'd to my new phone and I now know who stole the phone.
Sprite Terminator is another one that does all of the things you want, remote lock / wipe / gps , etc
Thanks Dave.
KMS
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Sprite Terminator is another one that does all of the things you want, remote lock / wipe / gps , etc
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There's also Kaspersky Mobile Security for XDAs - you can block sms acces, wipe PIM data and it has a nice little feature that will send out SMSs to two numbers of your choice if the SIM is swapped, then block the unit until you enter a code - thus giving you the new mobile number to take to the police! only takes them about 20 mins to find the name and address of the thief!
http://www.kaspersky.co.uk/kaspersky_mobile_security
And it's got a firewall and antivirus thrown in, too!
Bird
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There's also Kaspersky Mobile Security for XDAs - you can block sms acces, wipe PIM data and it has a nice little feature that will send out SMSs to two numbers of your choice if the SIM is swapped, then block the unit until you enter a code - thus giving you the new mobile number to take to the police! only takes them about 20 mins to find the name and address of the thief!
http://www.kaspersky.co.uk/kaspersky_mobile_security
And it's got a firewall and antivirus thrown in, too!
Bird
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Thanks. I was aware of this product. I am not too keen on annual subscriptions but it certainly seems to have all the features you might want for cellular phone security.
Mobile justice, it's freeware.
Bye
Hi if you installed kaspersky mobile security latest version, and you forgot the code? how can you reset code or change code to newone?
Thanks
Scenario: I've left my phone behind at the pub, or in someone's car. I don't want them to use my phone for pranks or, worse, illegal calls. I want to remotely reboot the phone because whomever finds the phone will be presented with the phone's PIN lock screen.
Has anyone found a way to have an action performed by inspecting the contents of, say, a SMS message?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594608
crimson lock is the closest thing you can find i believe
Thanks, that looks awesome. I like advanced features like "If a different SIM is inserted, send SMS to [emergency number]..."
I have a good history with phones, so I probably won't go that route - and, watch, I probably just jinxed myself.
http://remotetracker.sourceforge.net/
(free) Will let you lock your phone if it is stolen - as well as tracking it down
via gps and many other features.
I think it's possible to add this kind of security to a flashed rom as well,
so that even if a thief does a hard reset, you will still be able to talk to your phone.
SWEET! Thanks!
Hi guys.
Try to decide which to get between these two. It looks quite similar in what they do? Which one would you prefer? Don't matter the cost..they're just worth paying for. Which is better for non rooted phone?
anyone at all?
Never heard of the 2nd one but I am looking for a replacement for wavesecure
The only difference i can see between cerberus and TA is that cerberus can take photo. Apart from that, anything else guys?
Theft Aware saved my phone, Cerberus... hmmphh
[UPDATE] Tested "in the field"
Yesterday night I came to a friend's party and couldn't find my phone, so first thing I tried to dial it and see where I forgot it- went to check the car, but the phone wasn't there. The strange thing was that I was directed immediately to the voicemail, as if my phone was powered off..
Then I noticed my wife's phone has got an sms from Theft Aware, that the sim was replaced with a new number (including the new number). I called the new number, and got no answer but was able (via sms command) to get the phone's location, then I sent an sms to the new owner that I'd like to have the phone back and a number where I can be reached, then locked the phone.
At the same time I tried to operate similar thing with cerberus via their android client which is easy to operate. Nothing happened.
I tried again to call the new owner- he answered- told him I've got his phone number, location and photo (this was a bluff because cerberus did not work). The new owner was so surprised that he immediately offered to bring it back, which he did. I got my phone back after barely 30 minutes.
When the phone was back I checked my mailbox, and noticed that I got a mail from cerberus:
IP address: 109.64.199.59
An unauthorized SIM card has been inserted into your device.
Number: null
Network
Operator: 42502 ()
Subscriber ID: null
SIM card
Operator: ()
Serial: null
This is an automated message, please do not reply.
Nothing really useful...
Cerberus app did take a photograph, though, but it showed my own face back at home- the photo was taken only AFTER I have entered my unlock pattern, so it was no real use.
So, when really needed Theft Aware vs. cerberus: 1-0.
Nowadays Theft Aware is free, bundled with Avast! antivirus and some other bla bla (which can be manually uninstalled), so I just can't see no reason whatsoever why not install this useful program. Within minutes, all Android phone owners in the party started looking for Avast's TA and iphoners started looking for something similar for their own kind
You can probably disregard all the BS I wrote before (below), but whatever...
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TA is only sms-based. Perhaps they are working on some web-interface but not sure where it stands (beta stage?).
With Cerberus it is possible to send commands from their website and from a small applet/client (e.g. you can install it in a friend's phone) that is very useful if you don't have a computer nearby. Cerberus can also trigger the cameras, record audio, splash a message+speech in full screen ("Hey, thief! Bring it back") etc. Cool, perhaps also useful.
TA can be installed as system app, and with a name of your choosing to add further "security".
Cerberus installs as user app, but it is possible to download from their website a zip file that can be flashed as system app (or installed via ROM Manager) but not sure how many users are aware of this option. Anyway, it will still show as "cerberus" in lots of places, so it cannot be considered as stealthy as TA.
Both have many disadvantages- if the thief has access to the phone (some people don't use any pin/pattern lock, eh???) then he can deactivate TA or Cerberus from the list of device administrators and in a few seconds rendering both of them useless.
Both won't survive the flashing of a new rom, but I doubt that most "casual thieves" will go away to flash a rom in a stolen phone.
Some other sms applications using notification may override TA. That's what happens with GO SMS, for example- GO SMS will display the sms with code and everything, and TA won't work at all. There are workarounds, but it is an annoyance.
Major disadvantage of TA is the same code used to enter the application is also the one used in SMS commands! The dev is well aware of this issue but thinks it is too much for a user to remember two different codes (one for entering app, second to confirm sms commands). Thus, a thief can just get the sim out of your stolen and put it in any other phone. Then, when you start sending sms with commands to your stolen phone, you'll be actually providing the thief with your unlocking code... Next he turns on the stolen phone (with whatever sim- original or one of his choice), unlock it with the code you've just sent him by sms.. It's THAT easy. I am not sure how cerberus will act, in a similar case.
Hi everibody, a couple of weeks ago my windows phone has been stolen. Of course I went to the police and I did everything what was in my possibility..and I know that there's a localization service for windows phone. I tried to use it but this service searches phones trough the SIM number, not to the IMEI..considering that the thief has thrown away the Sim card I think it's not an useful service at all =_= Do you have any idea to suggest how to find my phone in any way, if it's possible?
Thank you for listening!
Well a couple of weeks may be too late, but its worth a try.
The localization feature uses your live id saved in the phone, and not the sim card (at least that's what I think). So just give it a try. Go to windowsphone.com and sign in using the same id that you have in your phone, and then go to my phone tab. Under that tab, there will be a smaller tab "Find my Phone" which locates your phone.
If your phone is turned on and not flashed, you could locate it without the thief knowing.
Best of luck.
p.s. In case you find it, don't lock and ring your phone immediately. If you do that, the thief will become aware and can switch off or flash your phone. Go to the shown location with Police, and then do it. The ring that the phone use when activated remotely is very weak, and you need to be really close to hear it. In case you have important information on your phone, then you can erase the phone's contents to be safe.
I tried your method but as expected This service finds my phone number and not my Windows live ID, in fact when I try to search my phone I can see it is in my house, because I made a new SIM card with the same phone number and now I am using that on another phone (with different os and imei!!!). I can say this is a very useless sevice =s
Well, if you'd used it within a few minutes or hours instead of within a few weeks, you'd have had a much better chance of it being useful... any anti-theft system can be easily disabled if you give the theif that long!
Tracking a phone by IMEI is possible, but requires the cooperation of the phone company and typically they'll require a warrant (depending on jurisdiction). It'll also only locate the phone to within a few blocks; for full accuracy you need to query the phone's GPS rather than attempt to determine it by tower signal strength.
You should have done this on the day you lost your phone and not a few weeks later.
I have unknown activity on my phone.
Along with numerous "unknown" outgoing calls with no number shown on my device (and 2 other M9 phones on the same plan) or any number registering on my carrier's system (when I called R, they said their system did show connected calls lasting various amounts of time, the could not determine what number the calls were going to), there's also a call in the log going to "(unknown)" "***,144***"
Anybody have any clue what's going on? R gave the bs answer that all 3 of us were calling our VM, even while we were sleeping. However, the times we did check our VM, the number did register on the phones and with the carrier's system.
Thanks!
Im adding a question. My M9 was unlocked without my knowledge. I'm guessing that ***,144*** might be the secret unlock code. IS there a way I can determine if it's been rooted as well?
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I have unknown activity on my phone.
Along with numerous "unknown" outgoing calls with no number shown on my device (and 2 other M9 phones on the same plan) or any number registering on my carrier's system (when I called R, they said their system did show connected calls lasting various amounts of time, the could not determine what number the calls were going to), there's also a call in the log going to "(unknown)" "***,144***"
Anybody have any clue what's going on? R gave the bs answer that all 3 of us were calling our VM, even while we were sleeping. However, the times we did check our VM, the number did register on the phones and with the carrier's system.
Thanks!
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Interesting issue. I am not sure about the rooting. You are probably going to need to ask experts around here. Hopefully, they can help you with that. As for security, you could try checking if you have any suspicious apps running in the background or installed (You might be using same GPS or another app for example). It could be that one of the malicious apps had access to your calls which lead to them outputting calls to somewhere. You could try disconnecting your internet for a day and see if the calls persist (That is probably not an option for you, but it is an idea). Additionally, you could try a factory reset on one of the phones and see if the problem is still there.
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Im adding a question. My M9 was unlocked without my knowledge. I'm guessing that ***,144*** might be the secret unlock code. IS there a way I can determine if it's been rooted as well?
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just saw this,
https://www.xda-developers.com/htc-says-the-ads-in-its-keyboard-are-a-mistake-fix-icoming/
which reminded me of your issue, though I don't suppose it's linked, but it does make you wonder WTF HTC are up to!
Anyhow with your issue I wasn't going to answer as I don't know the answer but my thoughts may help in some small way. I don't thank the 144 is a phone developers code to "root" or turn of security in some way as that would not show on your provides call logs as they stay internal to the phone (mostly). Also I don't think it's adware callng a premium number as your phone company says it does not register properly, so nobody will be paid.
That only leaves a more malicious form of hacking, I would say. So maybe that code does enable your data to be sent but untrckable over a network. That suggests to me it's possibly your actual network (who are R? What country, is it?) or maybe even your government if you are an activist or something? Though more likely is a criminal or business competitor, assuming the other people affected are business colleagues. So could be your boss trying to snoop on you all, if not HTC or the Chinese Communist Party aparatus!
What to do? As Ross says disconnecting is probably not practicable. If you have malicious activity they probably are using data as well as calls. So I would install a firewall to block most apps and log attempted connections (normally have to pay for this) then check IP addresses tell see if they are legit. However this may not show anything as data may go via root. So setting up a proxy to route traffic to your PC and use a sniffing program to see traffic or at least I P addresses.
You can download root checking apps from play store. Also check your security settings any app with admin rights? Also use a good antivirus you might get lucky, but even if negative you may still be infected.
Only way to really clean your system is to reinstall your OS, though a factory reset will fix often. But first you need to know how you were all compromised and fix that else it will just return, I would think it's most likely your local work network, (but could be your provider R or even something else you connect to in sore way eg Bluetooth, or an app you all have (you can boot into safe mode to disable 3rd party apps, but with HTC system apps possibly containing apps that use the Baidu apk etc that still has a possible backdoor unpatched (as far as I know) safe mode will not help white those!)
You might have to look into freezing/uninstalling all HTC installed apps.
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just saw this,
https://www.xda-developers.com/htc-says-the-ads-in-its-keyboard-are-a-mistake-fix-icoming/
which reminded me of your issue, though I don't suppose it's linked, but it does make you wonder WTF HTC are up to!
Anyhow with your issue I wasn't going to answer as I don't know the answer but my thoughts may help in some small way. I don't thank the 144 is a phone developers code to "root" or turn of security in some way as that would not show on your provides call logs as they stay internal to the phone (mostly). Also I don't think it's adware callng a premium number as your phone company says it does not register properly, so nobody will be paid.
That only leaves a more malicious form of hacking, I would say. So maybe that code does enable your data to be sent but untrckable over a network. That suggests to me it's possibly your actual network (who are R? What country, is it?) or maybe even your government if you are an activist or something? Though more likely is a criminal or business competitor, assuming the other people affected are business colleagues. So could be your boss trying to snoop on you all, if not HTC or the Chinese Communist Party aparatus!
You might have to look into freezing/uninstalling all HTC installed apps.
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Thank you!
Rogers, Canada. But I've switched carriers within the last few days.
I've actually done the FR 5 times now. Disabeling the pre-installed "Gmail" (I think it's more Google thn HTC related seems to have stopped the calls. I've disabled as much as I could.
so here's the kicker. I'm literally nobody! On disability, no exciting employment history and those In my family who have, aren't in contact, nor do I have contact info. And it was my wife and daughter who had the other phones, but mine was central i think. daughters phone was locked. So nothing so exciting. Which is why I even bothered asking lol
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Thank you!
Rogers, Canada. But I've switched carriers within the last few days.
I've actually done the FR 5 times now. Disabeling the pre-installed "Gmail" (I think it's more Google thn HTC related seems to have stopped the calls. I've disabled as much as I could.
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Ah! Rogers Canada should be a well controlled and trustworthy provider, so probably not them, though a rogue employee or having their network compromised can't be ruled out.
Also if official Gmail app it should be safe though it does have some quite intrusive permissions like full network access, view confidential info etc, but all are legit if you want the full functionality of Gmail. But it shouldn't have access to place phone calls, so should not be able to create the behaviour you describe.
That leaves a rouge app, but you would all need to have it I suppose, HTC app (or system behavior) or local hack ie via your router or via your PC. A good anti virus should find rogue app on phone and similarly on PC. HTC system apps hard to spot without doing the firewall etc etc. So I would also be double checking your local router for firmware update and resetting it with a new strong password, to prevent possible return, so to any Bluetooth devices.
Hope it doesn't return! All the best
been a while but, just how does one get a "," in the phone keyboard? long press * for P, but no ",".
Now that time has passed and more people might be awake and less likely to make excuses, I'm wondering if this issue can be solved, or at lest thought about intelligently. Maybe someone who knows how it CAN happen, instead of trying to find ways I'm mistaken. this was on THREE SEPARATE PHONES in 2 separate cities.
squidstings said:
been a while but, just how does one get a "," in the phone keyboard? long press * for P, but no ",".
Now that time has passed and more people might be awake and less likely to make excuses, I'm wondering if this issue can be solved, or at lest thought about intelligently. Maybe someone who knows how it CAN happen, instead of trying to find ways I'm mistaken. this was on THREE SEPARATE PHONES in 2 separate cities.
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Check with a root app to see if your device is rooted
check permissions also you can take back permissions with a app on fdroid
unknown app check with virus total or
IF someone has root on your phone they can do what they want and when they want
a app that has call access they can transfer information over a phone connection which can be anything
The troubling thing here is that your phone was unlocked w/o you which implies root access
IF you bought your phone new you might not be anybody but to be put in perspective amazon lets you steal $500 if you use another id and they say it is not you so you do not lose out
but if it is used this can be from the previous user.
The best thing to do if it does not stop is to upgrade the software on the phone if you have already done that then use a Root firewall or change to a rom here on xda (you can all change making the transition easier).
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Check with a root app to see if your device is rooted
check permissions also you can take back permissions with a app on fdroid
unknown app check with virus total or
IF someone has root on your phone they can do what they want and when they want
a app that has call access they can transfer information over a phone connection which can be anything
The troubling thing here is that your phone was unlocked w/o you which implies root access
IF you bought your phone new you might not be anybody but to be put in perspective amazon lets you steal $500 if you use another id and they say it is not you so you do not lose out
but if it is used this can be from the previous user.
The best thing to do if it does not stop is to upgrade the software on the phone if you have already done that then use a Root firewall or change to a rom here on xda (you can all change making the transition easier).
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Thank you for taking the issue seriously and not trying to force kool aid down my throat (if carrier was "trust"worthy, THEY would have solved it).
It didn't show root. 2 of 3 m9s were mysteriously unlocked. the 3rd did prompt for a code, but did also show those "unknown #" calls. However, I'm still stuck on the code. I can't even enter a ",". Didn't check the other units for it, but it's still the only unanswered issue that could explain the unlock (aside from your suggestion). No one's even heard of it, but programmers are known for adding backdoors. If anyone's got a new, s-on unit and feels like trying it, that's about the only way to get an answer.
It's dead now anyways. Battery won't charge unless powered off and went from 24+hours regular standby to about 3 hours with extreme powersave on, overnight and doesn't extend with usb power. usb data comm isn't even recognized. All 3 have failed actually (different ways) so I'm going back to my m7 which still works great. Except, it says s-on but works with different carriers and I can't even enter the code I paid for (no prompt. is there another way?)
So, here's the tinfoil hat part. Although I'm nobody, This all started around the time of the '16 election. when I was arguing with a youtube account named (not looking to attract attention so no name, but you know it) for the person who came 2nd.
Thank you for your help. It's a shame it's pooched before solving the issue. But hopefully, the code will be solved.
But any help entering my sim unlock code a different way would be appreciated. But if other carrier sims work, should root be doable while showing s-on?
Thanks a TON!!
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Thank you for taking the issue seriously and not trying to force kool aid down my throat (if carrier was "trust"worthy, THEY would have solved it).
No one's even heard of it, but programmers are known for adding backdoors. If anyone's got a new, s-on unit and feels like trying it, that's about the only way to get an answer.
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It would seem in your case that it is a setting change that was made and not comparable to other phones. Probably what we are talking about is a connection to a command server. S-on is a protection so that one cannot change the state of certain partitions namely the recovery boot and system however their are ways to get around this. You would need to get a root app to do that.
As a general rule you need to prove something is going on and funny numbers are a indication but nobody in the security community would touch it because it is very open. What you need to do however is
Get a copy of the calls use pcap and
check your firmware with the standard HTC firmware
this will show you what the phone call is doing and will help the android community overall (improved security)
Also programmers do not try to add backdoors they try to have a good product it is the hacking/security teams of _________ that do that. This being a programmer myself.