E-TEN Information Systems today officially announced the Windows Mobile 5.0 upgrade program for its current E-TEN brand M500 Pocket PC Phone Edition.
And you have got to admit that both device bare many simularities. So what im wondering is if we can get a hold of thier rom and mod it, or even place some
preasure on I-mate / HTC to give us a little x-mas present early for being such good custome and devoted Imate jammers. I think this path of getting WM5
is a little more feasable than waiting for some of the other solution posted on this forum.
Donno what do you guys think?
No, for a number of reasons.
1. The hardware is different between the E-TEN M500 and the HTC Magician. From processor to memory configuration to video display to camera, there's just too many variables that would make it futile compared to attempting to make a build from another HTC device, if that is even feasible.
2. The WM5 upgrade for the E-TEN M500 will be available no earlier than December 2005. I am hoping that someone would have provided a hacked WM5 build for the Magician before then.
I think the second solution is first to try. Please give us the link of the source of ur news, and should one of our members who speak english natively start to suggest a letter pushing of CDL (carrer devices company, the owner of imate) to develop a new wm2005 rom for JAM. After getting the email of CDL CEO (I think it is easy and avaialible somewre in the forum) we start all to send that letter. I think CDL should respons, or all of us will forward to Eten company as it respects its customers rather than CDL.
The site where the new was found is:
http://www.etencorp.com/presscenter/press.php?pid=45&tid=0
whats getting to me is that Eten , a crappy novalty Pocket Pc company has an update compiled form Microsoft, why cant Imate get them to do us one. This is the 3rd time this has happen to me, I mean when I got my first pocket pc (F-S Pocket Loox 600) the support team alienated its customers and lost many of us even though it later PPC releases were of better quality. HP has done this too with the 19xx series and 63xx series. But from what iI heard Imate had regular updates and free firmware. Looks like they going to follow the same path.
I think all of the distributors of this device, CDL, QTek, Orange, T-Mobile et-al should be pressed for a WM5 upgrade for the magician. Also we should press HTC who actually manufacture it.
That way the distributors and mobile operators might apply thier own pressure to HTC as well as ours. If HTC are being pressed from both sides then maybe they will do something.
In the meantime we await buzz's unofficial version.
Theres a way of starting an online petition we did it to Fujitsi-siemens for the loox and suprisingly it work. Took some time but they went back on there word. But we need on of Admins here in forum who have a little more pulling power than me. I have been read about Buzz's cracked version but i havent put too much faith in it, I guess just preparing for the worst I guess. Any one want to take the responsiblity for it???
Best way is to vote with your wallets and dont buy HTC products and switch to Eten. That is the only language corporations understand, money. If they see their customer base switching they will MAYBE think twice.
Why don't we just start to hit their boards to release the magneto for us at [email protected] ? Or else someone has a better way to contact a CEO :lol:
Blueangels, Magicians, Alpine can handle the magneto and even the Himalayas, any suggestions are welcomed..
Damn, ETEN is a crapy ppc and they are releasing the Magneto!!
efjay said:
Best way is to vote with your wallets and dont buy HTC products and switch to Eten. That is the only language corporations understand, money. If they see their customer base switching they will MAYBE think twice.
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the folowing is my history:
Wallabay------> Qtek for one year
Himalaya------> imate (2 different devices as one was stolen) for more than 2 years
Magician-------> Imate Jam Currently for around 6 months
Eten-----------> near future after throwing away CDL products for ever.
I usually don't respect any one does not respect me. CDL is not respecting us, while eten respecting their cutomers, so i think i should switch to eten. From the commercial point of view, i think that it is more benifitial to CDL to release a wm2005 for their old products (not ancient one like wallabay or himallaya) as they will gain the following:
1- they will be respectable from us as this will raise their cutomer support score very much, and will attract new customers as it will be known that the post sale support of CDL is perfect.
2- Their new devices such as JasJar is going will by self pushing power as a new product and will attract the valuable richer customers even old devices such as JAM supports wm2005 or not. In the same time the JAm which is still present in stock with a huge quantitiy start losing attractiveness and its sale curve will decline so much. While there is a large slice of cutomers who cannot afford for JasJar but can afford for JAM but only if supports wm2005 and will go to nokia or sony erricson instead of JasJar, so why not to attract them to Jam by adding wm2005 to it.
3- I am sure that the profit from selling JasJar may be less than Jam as the technology of jasjar is more advanced, so if CDL sells 100 piece of jasjar it will gain for wxample a 10% profit, while if sells 100 piece of Jam it may be 15% profit, especially if we consider that the stock of jam is dead and it is a potential loss and will go to rubbish. So adding wm2005 to jam will revive it and not affecting the sales of jasjar in the same time as it is a new coming product and has its attractiveness.
Finally i hope that CDL, or all HTC affiliated companies rethink regarding this issue and try to continue competeing in this market that of course the winner is the one who respects his customers.
The rumoured xda atom lookslike the magician with WM 2005. Maybe once this device is widely available, someone can hack the ROM.
Greets.
I'm sorry that I'm not with you when you try to boycott HTC.
Eten sold his M500 with the wm5 upgrade clearly advertised. It was a sell point, so, they sold more M500 because ppl were expecting WM5.
HTC did not advertise any of his S1X0 with wm5. If they were to give away wm5, they would advertise at least S110 to be wm5 ready, and it would be a sell point too. They would win money because of the addded value of wm5.
None of us were ripped-off, and, as they keep supporting in a good way our magicians, they are doing their work. They care for us, as they give us rom updates. Not giving us something that is not free, does not turn them bad, or does not mean they don't care about us (well, of course no corp cares for ppl, they care for income! eten does too). Remember, if they give you WM5 for free, they need to support it, and develop some specific things for it. And ppl will keep magician for a longer time, and will not buy theyre new products like the 9100 and so on.
They will in fact loose money. Do you loose money when you work? I surelly don't.
One possible pressure is for us to call our network operators, and start complaining with them. And better, if companys start blaming for not having WM5 for a so much hyped (by operators) product.
Operators themselves are incredibly more powerfull that any of our petition, IMO.
Even that way, I really doubt that we will see WM5 for S100 (it is my opinion, not a rant). Maybe for christmas, with santa giving it to us.
I am looking forward for the new Mitac Mio with gps and wm5. Now thats what I call a all-in-one
I'm waiting for the Mio as well. My only reason for trading the Magician is .... WM5!!
And guess what, my next device after the Mitac Mio would probably be .... another Mitac!!
So yes, HTC will probably lose money in the near future. Keeping your existing customers happy is much easier than getting new ones!
On the other hand, if a WM5 ROM (hacked or not) becomes available before the Mitac launch, I'll stick to the Magician (my preferred option).
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Eten sold his M500 with the wm5 upgrade clearly advertised. It was a sell point, so, they sold more M500 because ppl were expecting WM5.
HTC did not advertise any of his S1X0 with wm5. If they were to give away wm5, they would advertise at least S110 to be wm5 ready, and it would be a sell point too. They would win money because of the addded value of wm5.
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Great point I agree but Imaging how much more love we would have for our babies is the have a face lift. I mean think of sending you girlfriend to get a new set of boobs. You would play with then all day!!
Anyway lets hope they give us the option if its possible, instead of only making it available as a selling point for there next device which is more probable. Even if we have to pay and ammount say $40 for the upgrade it would be great!!
Cheers all
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I'm waiting for the Mio as well. My only reason for trading the Magician is .... WM5!!
And guess what, my next device after the Mitac Mio would probably be .... another Mitac!!
So yes, HTC will probably lose money in the near future. Keeping your existing customers happy is much easier than getting new ones!
On the other hand, if a WM5 ROM (hacked or not) becomes available before the Mitac launch, I'll stick to the Magician (my preferred option).
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Just to consider from the money point of view, in either way, you stay with Magician or purchase a new Mio, HTC is not going to make new profit. Then the question arises: why do they need to endeavor to make you stay with Magician?
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Just to consider from the money point of view, in either way, you stay with Magician or purchase a new Mio, HTC is not going to make new profit. Then the question arises: why do they need to endeavor to make you stay with Magician?
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No Zenkle, i am not agree with u, if i bought MIO, so, i will try a new handset and a new company with a new style and post sale support, so may i found them better and will stick to them and don't use HTC anymore. But if i have an upgraded magician the next step will be JasJar or whatever HTC. Second, if i bought a MIO now, so i will upgrade after 1-3 years from now as i will have a brand new device, but if I ve an upgraded magician , i will upgrade for JasJar after 6 months to 1 year at max.
That's exactly the point. Keeping your customers loyal to the brand is all part of the business.
In addition to this, HTC or the carriers of this brand, will soon get the reputation of not releasing OS upgrades, while others (Samsung, ETEN, etc.) may be getting a more favourable reputation of releasing OS upgrades for their devices. This would sure help the latter increase their sales.
Trust me, if they do not give us WM5.0 is that because they would, in the end, loose money with it.
I bet they have ppl doing all the calculations for them.
Trust me, no calculations were required. They simply said, "we'll make them buy something new" and that was that.
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Trust me, no calculations were required. They simply said, "we'll make them buy something new" and that was that.
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And why not say that. Sure, people on this forum may not go back to HTC devices, but there's millions of others that will due to I-mate, O2, Orange and all the others selling these devices. And the profits made from these devices far outweigh the measly profits made from releasing a WM5 rom for the Magician.
My opinion, I want WM5 to play with, and I have no doubt it will eventually come out once someone gets their hands on a decent version (I'm not bringing up the whole other thread to do with buzz and raptorz). But, by the time I feel it's absolutely necessary to upgrade, not just because I want to, there will be some really beefy PDA phones available and my Jam will be obsolete anyway. Hence, a new phone. Maybe an HTC, may not be. Whatever's best for me at the time. And when I do get WM5, I wouldn't mind having official upgrades and support available for it.
Just my 2 cents worth. :lol:
So companies like HP, ETEN, Samsung and others did not do their calculations? Or they don't have new products in the pipeline? All of these companies are releasing an upgrade, and I'm sure they're thinking "customer service" and "returned customers".
Immediate profit vs long term investment in the brand ... look at o2, they're releasing the ATOM, a COPY of the HTC Magician with WM5 in December, I bet HTC will be losing on sales when this comes out. Had the Magician had a WM5 upgrade and being slightly cheaper than the Atom, the Magician would have a longer shelve life thus paying more for its R&D, etc.
I looked.. i hope this has not been asked before.
About a month ago I came across my first windows mobile device. This device is the Typhoon. After comming from a line of nokias and moto razrs I quickly fell in love with windows mobile operating phones. Thank god, i used to want an iPhone and after doing the research I now know the error of that way.
I want Touch FLO, I want WM6.
Now this is the dilemma, I have recently been able to save up enough money for a Touch. Should I buy it or wait for the Kaiser?
Here is what I need answered to properly assess this.
The touch seems nice but the idea of the qwerty with 400 mhz processor and more rom/ram plus 3 megapixel camera seems like enough to sell me on a Kaiser.. or is it. Does anyone have any idea of a release date for the Kaiser? I heard sometime in late August? Also how much do we expect to pay for the Kaiser.. $600-$700 any leaked figure I have not read anyone? Does anyone have any idea if it will be possible to put Touch FLO on Kaiser without bricking it? Not fake button flo.. i mean real flawless Touch FLO. I have heard the Kaiser's screen will not allow Touch FLO. Is this true?
Now my questions for the Elf.. Is there any figure on how high it can be overclocked.. i have heard some say 240-260 mhz but I have also read 299 mhz. Anything over 300? Does the elf normally get sluggish in its touch flo interface while running applications?
Would I regret buying the Elf in the near future?
I am sorry for so many questions but everything I read people always say different things. Help!!
Late August or early September seems to be the consensus, at least for its availability in Europe. Note that some carriers will offer their own branded versions (T-Mobile in Germany labels it as the Vario III, Cingular in the US calls it the 8925) -- these versions may be somewhat less expensive (especially the Cingular version, since they subsidize phones by locking you into a contract).
Availability in the US seems a bit more problematic. Kaiser hasn't been certified by the FCC yet. Also, the US currently has an import ban on new devices using Qualcomm 3G chipsets -- the fallout from a intellectual property lawsuit filed by Broadcomm. There's some question as to whether or not Kaiser is subject to this ban.
The TouchFLO software will run on Kaiser -- the demo video at expansys.com shows it in action.
thanks
Thanks man, but any idea about what I was asking on overclocking a touch?
Now that it's officially out on Sprint, are we gonna get a forum for it?
Treo 800w Furom
Great I just got mine as well. I upgraded from a Treo 700wx. I realy liked my old phone so the 800w was an obvious buy. Anyways hope we can all learn and share. Im still feeling mine out.
I've been diehard BB for years but I really like the look of the 800. I love no trackball, gets too dirty. The 800w has a better keyboard than the Curve, and with Sprint TV what's not to like....Probably going to switch to Sprint for this in the near future.
I agree. I'd love to see a Treo 800w forum added .
There is a Treo 750 Cheetah forum that does not see much traffic. I propose it be renamed simply Treo and open to discussing all HTC produced Treo of the WM persuasion.
Treo 800w Forum
We need our own forum. I agree with the renaiming if the thread does not get much trafic to begin with.
/request!!!
yes, please start a 800w forum.
I don't believe the 800w is a HTC built phone. The 750 was, thus the reason it's on this site.
What are your thought on the phone? I was a pretty big Treo user, until I found HTC !
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I don't believe the 800w is a HTC built phone. The 750 was, thus the reason it's on this site.
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i second this. pretty sure that the 800 is not htc. also, i would like to see an 800w forum as well! even if it means merging with another, altho that could certainly lead to unnecessary confusion within the sub-forum later on.
800w
I just got a 800w to replace my HTC Touch which had replaced my Mogul.
I got the touch cuz it was tiny and had 3 times the RAM that the Mogul had. I got the 800w cuz I really missed a real keyboard.
Now I need a PPC that has a real keyboard, alot of RAM, AND a normal screen!!
The one downside to the 800w is it's square 320x320 screen. iGuidance and the SPB Finance's Quick Entry thingy don't display on a square screen! There goes $150 worth of software!!
I'm keeping the 800w because for noe, it's the best option and besides for those programs (and in general MUCH smaller everything - icons, fonts...), I really like it. It's quick, it has WM 6.1 out of the box, and it works well. (It doesn't come with ANY accessories other than wall charger and USB cable - cheap bastards!).
If anyone can help me out with the resolution thing that would be GREATLY appreciated!! The SPB I can live without (the main program works fine), but I need a GPS program that will work with a square screen. Anyone know one that works with, say, the 700wx? 320x320 should be the same as concept as240x240, just sharper.
Thanks!!
I say no Treo forum.
The 750 made by HTC.
The 800 Is not.
I don't think we need to add non-HTC devices. I don't know if you guys noticed but The Server is pegged as it is. Lets not add more load to our flailing server.
JimmyMcGee said:
I say no Treo forum.
The 750 made by HTC.
The 800 Is not.
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yeah, big "who cares"
Treo 800w is really well-positioned right now to steal a ****load of HTC customers who are disgruntled with driver problems -- 800w is properly accelerated and looks great. For CDMA customers (video driver problems notwithstanding) 800w is the undisputed king until Diamond and Pro land on U.S. carriers. Is it xda's goal to see the piss hacked out of Windows Mobile devices, or just HTC devices?
We need a place to hash out 320x320 compatibility issues, walkthroughs for deleting the Sprint crap, and a bunch of other stuff. I've definitely been reading a lot more PPCGeeks and WMExperts over the past couple of weeks.
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yeah, big "who cares"
Treo 800w is really well-positioned right now to steal a ****load of HTC customers who are disgruntled with driver problems -- 800w is properly accelerated and looks great. For CDMA customers (video driver problems notwithstanding) 800w is the undisputed king until Diamond and Pro land on U.S. carriers. Is it xda's goal to see the piss hacked out of Windows Mobile devices, or just HTC devices?
We need a place to hash out 320x320 compatibility issues, walkthroughs for deleting the Sprint crap, and a bunch of other stuff. I've definitely been reading a lot more PPCGeeks and WMExperts over the past couple of weeks.
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i would like to see a 800w forum as well but i would like to see this site evolve to other makes as well. I think the world is ready and xda is one of the greatest sites on the net, its better then those xxx sites since its family friendly.
its an iffy situation im on a 800w coming from a htcppc6800.
i think the only reason it should be put on this site is because this IS the BEST site for winmo development. so maybe there should be one
i agree 800w forum! anyone got diag drivers to work on this yet?
kalibar said:
yeah, big "who cares"
Treo 800w is really well-positioned right now to steal a ****load of HTC customers who are disgruntled with driver problems -- 800w is properly accelerated and looks great. For CDMA customers (video driver problems notwithstanding) 800w is the undisputed king until Diamond and Pro land on U.S. carriers. Is it xda's goal to see the piss hacked out of Windows Mobile devices, or just HTC devices?
We need a place to hash out 320x320 compatibility issues, walkthroughs for deleting the Sprint crap, and a bunch of other stuff. I've definitely been reading a lot more PPCGeeks and WMExperts over the past couple of weeks.
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Add one more to the "****load". Just put my Touch on eBay after getting my 800. This thing is SO much more of a phone than anything that HTC has come up with.
+1 vote for the new forum!
Here's An Idea...
robbyr said:
Add one more to the "****load". Just put my Touch on eBay after getting my 800. This thing is SO much more of a phone than anything that HTC has come up with.
+1 vote for the new forum!
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Well it's been a while since I've needed to make any posts on XDA seeing I've been a humbled but proud owner of a first gen iphone. Now i know some might think that a sell out but i'm not here in defence of that today, today is a post of a different nature. I just bought me a palm centro as i have moved over to cricket(cdma) for a while and in doing so needed to unlock and mod this "simple O.S." device(the XDA in me). more to the point in doing so i've found the need to browse around and found that this lovely family of ours has purpose elsewhere. So what's the idea??? Instead of making a new forum for the newly added family of WM devices(the palm devices), why not make an edit to the wiki... add the other windows mobile devices to the wiki and through that add the best forums for those devices there. this achieves two purposes... it allows a controllale link (severed if nesseccary) to sources for these devices and also creates a bridge of knowledge. I know every bridge flows both ways and there are some setbacks to this ( riff raff, trouble makers, for example) but atleast we as a community can come to an understanding and figure it out... POWER TO THE DEVELOPERS!!!!
what about the treo pro??/