Related
Is it better to be on a pay as you go or contract if you intend to use your phone for surfing. I recently managed to get on the Internet using my phone (pay as you go Virgin on the back of tmobile) but it cost me over 1 pound 50 pence for what I don't believe was very long. I was only looking at google. Is this correct?? I am not sure how this only pay for downloads works. surely if you go to google you must download the pages you put in for a search? and then if you drill further down you must download more and more data. Someone told me you only pay if you download attachments etc?? What is true. Would appreciate any replies to get my thinking straight.
John
All data transferred to from your device is counted. An allowance is usually made for connect disconnect overhead. I found it extremely easy to run up a couple of megs
I manage to get 300 minutes free internet on O2 payg, just topup a tenner a month and you get the free internet using the settings on this board, gprs too, the gprs just saves time logging on, there is no speedgain when surfing. You get full access to internet, I use it to check my ebay sales and to access this board sometimes, its also great for winning pub bets as you have access to all the info. 8) You also get 300 free sms text messages or a mix of multimedia messages and sms free. The phone calls arent that cheap but you get your full tenners worth of calls along with the freebies. The sms freebie is worth 30 quid alone. You cannot rollover any free internet time or unused sms. There are many bolt ons available also.
I also use Tesco payg, you get 3 favorite numbers which give half price calls to any mobile or landline, that works out at 10p per minute, standard calls to any mobile or landline are 20p a minute. I am going to get a dual sim holder so I can use O2 for sms and internet and Tesco for calls.
cruisin-thru said:
...just topup a tenner a month and you get the free internet using the settings on this board, gprs too...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
free GPRS with 02 Uk? Have I understood this right? Can you tell me how, or point me towards these Magical settings?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=12334&highlight=
* I recommend deleting any existing GPRS settings you have under the work connection settings before entering these to avoid confusion *
1. Go to Start -> Settings -> Connections Tab -> Connections.
2. You'll see 2 sets of option links. 'My ISP' and 'Work'. Under the work links, choose 'Add a new modem connection'.
3. Name for connection: o2 gprs. Modem: Cellular Line (GPRS). Tap Next.
4. Access Point Name: payandgo.o2.co.uk
5. Username: payandgo
6. Password: password
7. Tap Finish.
8. Back in the connections settings screen, tap 'Edit My Proxy Server'.
9. Tick 'This network connects to the Internet' and 'This network uses a proxy server to connect to the Internet'.
10. In the proxy server box enter: 193.113.200.195
11. Tap OK.
12. Back in the connections settings screen, tap the Advanced tab.
13. Tap 'Select Networks'
14. In both drop down boxes choose 'Work' as the connection. Tap OK.
15. Tap OK again.
16. You are now ready to surf o2 pay as you go gprs full internet.
thanks cruisin-thru...
Do those settings give you free GPRS access then? i.e. Is this some kinda 'back door' to 02 GPRS?
I'm on 02 contract with 250 mins a month which I don't normally use completely. From your other posts, do I understand that I can use those minutes when I want to surf the web? I have a GPRS connection and a WAP network GPRS connection available to me when I tap the Connectivity icon but I've do idea why... Is one of them normal cost-per-MB GPRS and one a cost-per-minute connection, perhaps, which I can use with My free contract minutes?
I am referring to payg only, I have no knowledge of contract costs and whether you can use the free minutes for internet over gprs.
Aaah. OK. Never mind - thanks though.
does this work on the 300free txt o2 sims?
I cant get it to work on my xda 2, ive checked the connection settings over and over
it connects but no pages load "The page you are looking for cannot be found"
Ryan, yes it works with that sim, have you double checked the settings, the proxy and the work settings?
well yes and no..
ive got the GPRS settings menu with the authentication types etc what should they be set at.
And for some reason i dont have "Work" tab mines been renamed somehow and if i try reaming it back it says work already exists ive checked the proxy settings etc.
Any way i can restore the settings back to orginal or use a pre setup settings fine?
Thanks
I delete all settings before inserting those listed. You dont have to name a new setting, "work" is chosen from the drop down menu.
o2 payg xda2
Yeah it does work fine.I've used internet for sometime with no charge as yet!!
The only thing is,email doesn't connect.Is there an answer to this anyone.I think it's because email needs an isp connection.Thanks to anyone.
There seem to be a number of conflicts of understanding showing in this topic, much due to O2's less than transparent pricing and information policies.
First though, the difference between GSM WAP/Web and GPRS. Any tariff which mentions Minutes refers to GSM (=dialup) only. Anything referring to Data volume relates to GPRS.
GPRS is a digital connection piggybacked onto the normal GSM signal, and is theoretically up to 6X faster than GSM, and is capable of being "Always On" like domestic broadband. Most times, the speed is only about 2-3 times faster due to network congestion.
The Free GPRS WAP was offered by O2 on some of its PAYG plans, and on some PostPay contracts. AFAIK this has now been discontinued, but some PAYG plans do give 1Mb free GPRS as long as you top up £10 in a month. Current WAP GPRS charge is £2.35 per Mb, and the billing is often up to 2 months behind so if you have an older PAYG SIM, and think your GPRS is free, make really sure before you go merrily surfing!
The ability to make settings changes to the XDA II Work Connection (which is actually the WAP APN) is due to the proliferation of more advanced phones like the Nokia 660 which allow enhanced WAP, by using a proxy setting to enable Web content over WAP. This was a great workaround earlier this year when all WAP GPRS was free. This APN does not and will not allow MSN and POP3 email, except for the O2.co.uk domain.
O2 are now starting to offer cheaper GPRS bundles as "Bolt-On's"- currently Data 36 giving 36Mb of GPRS for £17 per month, plus the old Data5 at £8 (?) per month.
As to the original question- what is better, PostPay or PAYG, at the moment, the GPRS charges are the same, for new customers. WAP or Web is £2.35 per Mb, but bolt-ons favour PostPay customers. PAYG remains an expensive way to make phone calls!
Thanks for explanation.So I might not be connecting gprs,and a bill in two months.Wow.
lovemyxda said:
Thanks for explanation.So I might not be connecting gprs,and a bill in two months.Wow.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You will know you are connecting via GPRS cos the signal icon changes to show the 2 horizontal arrows.
And the 2 month GPRS charge delay is extreme- more commonly 2-3 weeks. That is on an online contract- can't give any definitive times for PAYG, but I can't see them being much different.
I have never been charged, there is free access bundled with the monthly topup.
Thanks to everyone for replying to this topic as it has made it a lot clearer, I will look at the option crusin-thru stated and those referenced by NeilM. Much appreciated..thanxs j
cruisin-thru said:
I have never been charged, there is free access bundled with the monthly topup.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
How old is your PAYG SIM card?
I think the T&C's changed about 3 months ago, so you anyone buying a PAYG SIM since then will only get the 1st 1Mb free, with £10 top-up
Thanks Neil I asm PAYasuG on virgin for over 2 years expensive I know but not being a large phone/text user then it is expensive. If I want to upgrade my phone I realise I can buy on ebay/private etc but it would probably be better biting the bullet and buying a contract to get the upgrade. Thanks john
Hi,
I've just moved my XDA 2 away from an o2 contract to Pay As You Go with Tesco.
I can't get my GPRS to work and after contacting Tesco several time, they are now saying that you cannot use GPRS on an XDA 2 on a provider OTHER THAN o2, because of some pre-set settings that can't be changed. I can view pda.o2.co.uk when connected to GPRS, but that's it.
Is this true? Is there a workaround? Does anyone have GPRS working on Tesco or any non o2 provider (if they were originally on o2)?
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
Andi
i can't speak directly for Tesco's pay as you go service, but I have had no problem accessing GPRS on my XDAII, which was bought under a 1 year contract in UK, after moving to Malaysia (on a local M'sian carrier).
what i do have trouble is, however, is setting the gprs up for mms services. Apparently on my cousin's xdaIIs bought here, mms services require connection to a separate gprs account, which can be specified on his mms settings but not on mine. and we can't seem to find anything different in the changeable settings! o well. i have no one to mms anyway...
somynex if you want help setting up your mms I can gladly assist. Its accually really easy. You have to set up your proxy on my work network. Just im me if you want some help.
Mike
No-one have any ideas? I think I'll likely move to o2 pay as you go.
Thanks
Hi.
Im getting my Blue Angel (XDA IIi) with my next paycheque. But i really want IM with GPRS. I'm thinking about going dual Sim with a T-mobile card just for the webnwalk plan, because O2 charge stupid prices for WAP (£3 per mb)
But i realised you can't use IM with most GPRS providers because the ports are blocked to stop other forms of non profit making communication. So what about setting up your home pc as a terminal service server, and then using termincal service client to access it and use MSN from there.
I e-mailed T-mobile asking if termincal service client was allowed and here was the (relevent part of) the response:
"Using our webnwalk priceplans you would be able to use the terminal service client on your phone in order to access other pcs. The GPRS usage would come out of your allowance any time that you used this service."
Not having my XDA IIi, i don't know if this would work, so could someone test it please.
is this a good idea or should i have stuff thrown at me for even thinking it?
Thanks.
Erm.......... you can use IM on T-Mobile GPRS... I do most days.
Either the supplied Messenger ir Agile Messenger.. works a treat.
I moved from O2 to T-Mobile cos they had no decent GPRS uage plans.. now I get unlimited.... it's great....
Charlie Grillo
another part of that e-mail:
"In terms of MSN messenger, this would not be allowed as part of the terms and conditions of the priceplan. These state that certain things such as VOIP, Messaging over internet and Internet Streaming are not allowed."
Are you on contract by any chance?
TS
I am not familiar with T-Mobiles Terms / fair usage policy, but it seems strage you can use terminal services and not msn messenger - I would have this checked out!
I know that TS works perfectly on the XDA 2 and above, if that helps.
IM on GPRS
Yes, I'm on contract - not PAYG.
I read T-Mobile's T's & C's, but messaging isn't mentioned.. it contains this guff..
To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers, they are not to be used for other activities such as (but not limited to): modem access for computers, internet based video/audio streaming services, peer to peer file sharing, internet based video download and internet based telephony.
hmm.. modem access - a bit restrictive, but as I can't get the damn thing to connect and dial when used as a modem any more it's not a problem (I wonder if they crippled this in their last ROM upgrade as it worked perfectly before...)
bandwitdth
in theory this is possible, but theres no chance of running terminal services/remote desktop from the blueangel over gprs...
the connection is not quick enough.
over wifi its fine but not gprs.
good point
I have done it with wi-fi and 3G - if you are in a 3G area (ha!) you should be OK.
If anyone is interested in getting Blackberry Connect working on their Hermes / Tytn / etc, take a look at:
http://www.sems.org/entry.asp?ENTRY_ID=162
It works nicely... I tested it with both BES and BIS.
would love to try this out, but the second link doesnt work.
They must have changed the link. I'll dig up the page I found it from.
It looks like they are temporarily putting the files to the link I put up. I updated the post, go to:
http://support.vodafone.de/index_l3_2z.html and download it under VPA Compact II, Desktop Manager 2.1 für VPA compact II (13,7 MB), it is the same thing.
Thanks for the link. One more thing, will this only work on vodafone, or can I use it on TMO in the U.S.?
I tried to use it for Cingular but it says Blocked - Radio in use. Any suggestions?
I tried to use it on T-mo usa. It registered fine and t-mo saw the new pin, but T-Mo won't let me change my handheld. I've been running into this trouble recently with T-Mo. I'm guessing they are blocking all non-blackberry devices or not authorized by T-mo USA to register on their network.
Ok got it setup but I get a conflict from my phone trying to connect to wap.cingular and when signed on I dont get my e-mails throuhg balckberry.net.
Is there any way that both can coexist on this phone happily?
Can anyone confirm the Vodafone Blackberry solution works for Tytn ? Tmobile USA with BES server? That's the only condition that I will go with Tytn. Thanks.
Can anyone confirm the Vodafone Blackberry solution works for Tytn ? Tmobile USA with BES server? That's the only condition that I will go with Tytn. Thanks.
BBC and Cingular Conflict
decepticon said:
Ok got it setup but I get a conflict from my phone trying to connect to wap.cingular and when signed on I dont get my e-mails throuhg balckberry.net.
Is there any way that both can coexist on this phone happily?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Did you figure out how to run BBC with the TyTn? I am new to the TyTn and I have the "Blocked - Radio in Use" problem. My UTMS symbol does show something is continuously connecting to network, but so far I cannot find the program.
Thanks in advance
Kevin
kwsmith6 said:
Did you figure out how to run BBC with the TyTn? I am new to the TyTn and I have the "Blocked - Radio in Use" problem. My UTMS symbol does show something is continuously connecting to network, but so far I cannot find the program.
Thanks in advance
Kevin
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Change the Band to GSM only. BB Connect does not work over UMTS (..yet).
I have BB connect working fine via UMTS and GPRS - I dont have a strong enough signal at my house to get UMTS / 3G, but when I get closer to town the TyTn automatically switches to UMTS / 3G and BB still works fine.
I am using a HTC Rom with a Vodafone blackberry enabled account and synced to the BlackBerry Exchange server
If it says Radio in use that mean that you probably have another program that's actively using the gprs connection (i.e. Direct Push)
I'm also using the tytn with a Tmobile US sim.
I dont know what you guys are talking about when you say you get a "New Pin detected" Message.
When I go to BB Webclient through tmobile.com, it shows my old pin number in there. And I cant change it.
Do you actually have to setup a webclient account, or it's supposed to work as long as you are provisioned for blackberry.net?
Blackberry Coonect Spv 3100
Hi there I have a SPV 3100 with a WM6 cooked Rome. Has anyone managed to get Blackerry connect to work with orange uk
Manythanks
steven
Blackberry Connect
Hi there,
has anyone managed to activate the blackberry connect on the orange spv m3100.
i have contacted orange they say they dont support it but they have activated the blackberry apn on the account.
i know some people have managed to do it any help appreciated.
someone said that due to rim checking imei and network if network does not support they stop the connection. does any one know
i want to use it with BIS
many thanks
steven
BlackBerry Connect 4 for Hermes/TyTN: .CAB file anyone?
Hey - anyone have a .cab file of BBConnect 4 for Hermes/TyTN? I am on a corporate PC that does not run Windows installers (paranoid IT guys).
siros said:
Hey - anyone have a .cab file of BBConnect 4 for Hermes/TyTN? I am on a corporate PC that does not run Windows installers (paranoid IT guys).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
http://www.sems.org/entry.asp?ENTRY_ID=248
BBConnect + ActiveSync Direct Push coexistence
Hi -
I've got BBConnect v4.x on a Tilt/Tytn II, partly coexisting with ActiveSync Direct Push. This is using a T-Mobile SIM, subscribed to the BlackBerry Enterprise plan (unlimited data, plus access to BES gateway).
I say "partly coexisting" because typically either ActiveSync is getting direct push of new items or BBConnect is actually connected to the company BES. When ActiveSync is "winning", BBconnect typically shows "blocked" (and may say "radio in use"). When BBconnect is "winning", the phone will report that it can't "dial" its data connection.
But sometimes both are working simultaneously...
What is the magic incantation so that they will start up in the right order and both work at the same time?
Many thanks,
Jay
I see a lot of these Roms floating around that auto-customize for AT&T and set up the access point for your data connection as "isp.cingular." This is NOT RIGHT for SOME people.
I've said this in a few threads, but I'll say it again here - hopefully many people will see it.
Not all unlimited data plans allows you to use isp.cingular as your access point. If your plan does not allow for isp.cingular but you use it, you may be charge per kb for downloads.
Although at&t has removed these charges in the past, it's best to know what is going on so you can avoid it. I've seen people billed every month per kb while the rep swears up and down it won't happen again and that their "unlimited" data is properly applied to the account. Some of the reps don't understand their own data plans.
So: here's the difference.
Cheap unlimited data plans such as mediamax, etc. DO NOT allow you to access data through isp.cingular. You must use wap.cingular instead.
Expensive unlimited data plans such as PDA connect, laptop connect, etc. (pretty much anything over $40/mo) DO allow you to connect through isp.cingular.
isp.cingular gives you higher priority on the network, and is necessary for accessing services such as VPN, etc.
wap.cingular is suitable for every day browsing/email/etc. - is technically just as fast, but does not take priority on the network. So if the network is busy, your traffic will suffer first.
I hope that helps to clear up for people who are having billing issues on their unlimited data plans. Rom chefs may be wise to use the wap.cingular AP in their roms and let advanced users make the switch if they so need.
(I pay $15/mo for Mediamax 200 and use wap.cingular as my access point)
thank you
Thank you for the info.. It is appreciated...
Good thing to know.
I probably wouldn't have checked that each time I load a new ROM. I will from now on...
Access Point
Thanks for the info....great catch
I use the $40 plan & I noticed that my access point was set to wap.cingular. I switched to isp.cingular and it didn't work.
Is it possible to give us complete settings for both.....thanks.
isp.cingular does not work with the PDA Personal Max Plan. For that plan you have to use isp.cingular.
To further clarify. PDA Personal options STILL use wap.cingular. You must change to PDA Connect which doesn't come with any texting to use isp.cingular.
dwny said:
Thanks for the info....great catch
I use the $40 plan & I noticed that my access point was set to wap.cingular. I switched to isp.cingular and it didn't work.
Is it possible to give us complete settings for both.....thanks.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
dbaser said:
isp.cingular does not work with the PDA Personal Max Plan. For that plan you have to use isp.cingular.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
isp.cingular only works on the tethering plans ($70-80/mnth)... I have the PDA Personal Unlimited with 1500 MSGs and I can only connect to wap.cingular.
fb401 said:
To further clarify. PDA Personal options STILL use wap.cingular. You must change to PDA Connect which doesn't come with any texting to use isp.cingular.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You do not need PDA Connect (PDA Connect no longer exists) to hit isp.cingular, just one of the tethering plans which are all PDA Personal and they do come with messaging:
PDA Personal Max (Tethering) - $69.99
PDA Personal Max Unlimited Data & Tethering plus 1500 Messages
PDA Personal Max /w Unl M2M Messaging - $74.99
PDA Personal Max Unlimited Data, Tethering & M2M Messaging plus 1500 Messages
PDA Personal Max Unl Messaging (Tethering) - $79.99
PDA Personal Max Unlimited plus Unlimited Messaging & Tethering
Hello -
I have a business account and my data plan is listed as 'PDA Connect - UNL' which I assume is unlimited. I tried connecting to isp.cingular but couldn't - I can only connect to wap.cingular successfully. Should I be able to use the faster connection with my plan?
Also - are there any other settings that might speed things up?
thanks!
gthing said:
I see a lot of these Roms floating around that auto-customize for AT&T and set up the access point for your data connection as "isp.cingular." This is NOT RIGHT for SOME people.
I've said this in a few threads, but I'll say it again here - hopefully many people will see it.
Not all unlimited data plans allows you to use isp.cingular as your access point. If your plan does not allow for isp.cingular but you use it, you may be charge per kb for downloads.
Although at&t has removed these charges in the past, it's best to know what is going on so you can avoid it. I've seen people billed every month per kb while the rep swears up and down it won't happen again and that their "unlimited" data is properly applied to the account. Some of the reps don't understand their own data plans.
So: here's the difference.
Cheap unlimited data plans such as mediamax, etc. DO NOT allow you to access data through isp.cingular. You must use wap.cingular instead.
Expensive unlimited data plans such as PDA connect, laptop connect, etc. (pretty much anything over $40/mo) DO allow you to connect through isp.cingular.
isp.cingular gives you higher priority on the network, and is necessary for accessing services such as VPN, etc.
wap.cingular is suitable for every day browsing/email/etc. - is technically just as fast, but does not take priority on the network. So if the network is busy, your traffic will suffer first.
I hope that helps to clear up for people who are having billing issues on their unlimited data plans. Rom chefs may be wise to use the wap.cingular AP in their roms and let advanced users make the switch if they so need.
(I pay $15/mo for Mediamax 200 and use wap.cingular as my access point)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Great Post. This is something that I have always noticed, more so since I changed my plan from PDA Connect Unlimited to MediaMax Unlimited. There was no reason for me to be paying the extra money. I know that most of the cooked ROMs here come with the Connection Setup/Network Wizard preinstalled but I've had some trouble connecting to Cellular Video even when I enable the proxy from a .cab. For those reasons I use a .cab from wpbear over in the Hermes section that installs the AT&T network settings and puts the proxy folder with restore and disable proxy .cabs in the Programs list that always work for me. I will post this .cab from wpbear shortly if anyone wants it.
Edited: Here is the .cab from wpbear as promised.
See I have PDA personal and my phone is using isp.cingualr and I am not getting any additional charges....
i use pda connect unlimited and have access to isp.cingular, which i use while tethering all the time. I also play WoW on it when im away from a Wifi network.
shadowace said:
See I have PDA personal and my phone is using isp.cingualr and I am not getting any additional charges....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
yeah i have mediamax and didnt realize i was using isp.cingular for about a month and changed to wap...I never got excess data charges, but rather be safe than sorry...I also didnt tether (a lot, only when I was in the airport and didnt feel like getting hosed $10 for 2 hours of access)
Hmm. it sounds like I should be able to use isp.cingular but I'm not sure!
Also - can anyone give a brief explanation of what the PROXY would be used for and when? I keep hearing about the use of a proxy but I'm not sure why/what the point is.
The proxy is used for ATT services that come with your phone. You can download some music and go to the ATT portal for some special services. I don't remember what they are because I don't use them. No proxy is best because it allows you to have a less obstructed port to the outside net. In most cases (if not all) you want the proxy OFF. You only want to turn it on to use those ATT specific services. It has been so long since I have cared that I don't remember what they are.
wireless access and activsync
Perhaps not the right thread, but I'm sure you all will let me know if not. I just flashed to the new Dutty ATT rom and I cannot connect to my server through Activsync. I get a 0x80830003 error. When I flashed an earlier Dutty Rom I got the same problem and fixed it by unchecking the proxy. However, Proxy is unchecked and I am still gtting the error. Any ideas?
And I have searched and found cabs for deleting hidden proxy and provisioning ATT service, installed all and no go.
fastblack said:
i use pda connect unlimited and have access to isp.cingular, which i use while tethering all the time. I also play WoW on it when im away from a Wifi network.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Just out of curiosity, how are you playing WoW? Using remote desktop or something like that? Thanks!
I meant when tethering to my laptop hehe.
fastblack said:
I meant when tethering to my laptop hehe.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
LOL Gotcha!
gthing said:
(I pay $15/mo for Mediamax 200 and use wap.cingular as my access point)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
How are you getting this rate when it only sells for $19? If it's a Premier discount, the math applies it to the wireless plan first.