Hello, first of all please excuse my english, I am from Czech Rep. I have a problem, I want to buy a some PDA with GSM module, but I need to know somethink before. I know that 2 "types" of mobile CPU exists. XScale basede CPU s and ARM11. I want to buy HTC Diamond, with Qualcomm CPU, but I dont know if this Qualcomm is compatible with Xscale, because it is product of different companies. So, i dont know this problematics much, I know that at the normal PC is Windows the "thing" that makes compatibility, because you write programs for windows and he tells CPU what to do. At least I think so. So from this point should be compatibl with Xscale becaue of WM software. But I saw article on web, where was written that in past (2002/3) there were more CPU´s and they weren´t compatible for each other, and they were all runing WM, how is this possible? So, is that CPU (qualcomm) fully compatible with Xscale? Can I run with him all my aplications that I used on my a701 mio Intel Xscale phone? Thank for al reponses. Please forgive me mistakes, I am begginer in this area.
"XScale basede CPU s and ARM11."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XScale
same thing
So absolutelly no problem at all?
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Hi
I wanted to know what is the most stable CPU on a Pocet PC right now and why, what makes a processor better than the next ? are Intel processors better than samsung, TI, Freescale ??
what are the categories of all these processors ?
and on a pricing level which processors are value for money ?
which are expensive for something and which are expensive for nothing ?
this has been working on my mind for some time to analyse all the processors and identify the truth behind Pocket PC CPU's
can anyone please help to answer these questions.
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reo
The differences are very small, unlike with, say, 486 or Pentium clones 10-12 years ago. That is, there aren't known problems with Samsung / TI CPU's and there aren't "clearly the best" CPU's.
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what do you think about Freescale CPU ?
and when it comes to CPU, do you think that mayb certain types are more stable than others ?
Stability = litlle or no freezing up, compatibilty, works well with WM OS, aplications funtioanlity, and just general operation you no that sense that you can rely on the product to function properly.
reo
reo said:
hi
what do you think about Freescale CPU ?
and when it comes to CPU, do you think that mayb certain types are more stable than others ?
Stability = litlle or no freezing up, compatibilty, works well with WM OS, aplications funtioanlity, and just general operation you no that sense that you can rely on the product to function properly.
reo
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Dunno much about the practical stability & compatibility issues of the new Freescale CPU, it's so new to the market (and iDo devices are so few).
In general, I don't think any current (again, I don't speak for Freescale) CPU's have any stability or other issues. Samsung CPU's, in the past (see for example the flash ROM problems of the iPAQ 1930 / 1940) had some problems; hope they're fixed now.
hi
is there any way to benchmark the CPU's ? is there any software that i can use. i would like to conduct a test to make a comparison.
about the freescale, any reviews about this CPU ?
regards
reo
reo said:
hi
is there any way to benchmark the CPU's ? is there any software that i can use. i would like to conduct a test to make a comparison.
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Spb Benchmark, for example. However, benchmark results are pretty useless. For example, the 195 MHz TI CPU's are MUCH better than what one would think based on the benchmark results
about the freescale, any reviews about this CPU ?
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Googled around; haven't found much.
I will keep searching for more details on freescale.
Do you think there is mayb factory benchmark programs then we can mayb get accurate results ?
reo
reo said:
I will keep searching for more details on freescale.
Do you think there is mayb factory benchmark programs then we can mayb get accurate results ?
reo
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In general, I wouldn't depend on benchmark results. For example, the TI CPU-based devices are far faster than one would think based on the benchmark results.
I have read about Processors from Intel called Monahans, i believe it is the latest CPU.
Have you worked with a handheld device running this CPU ?
could you give us some info on the Manahans and Boulverde ?
try this one.... I got it from buzz website....
Generally, TI and Samsung processors usually are more performant than Intel with the same MHz rate (iirc about 20%).
However, processor performance is not everything. E.g. the memory access is very different on WM5 devices. Or graphic performance.
And don't forget many PPC applications are quite spartanic - you don't need lots of CPU power to add a new contact or write a document in that better notepad called "Word mobile". Memory (card) access is more interesting there. But you'll probably notice a difference e.g. in navigation, games, or multimedia.
first off not sure where wing topics belong cause i didnt see a section for it yet 2nd is there any method to overclock the wing's processor?
it got a samsung cpu
a search for something like
"overclock AND samsung"
would lead you to peoples results overclocking that type of cpu
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first off not sure where wing topics belong cause i didnt see a section for it yet 2nd is there any method to overclock the wing's processor?
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A T-Mobile Wing is also known as a HTC Herald or P4350.
doesnt it use the same processor as the MDA? thats not a samsung is it?
as long as they are arm compatible it dont matter who makes them softwarewise
but overclocking toolswise it does
so the oc tool for the mda should work fine then right since its the same processor? will it run on windows mobile 6 ?
MDA is the term tmobile call ALL! their pocketpc phones they dont all have the same cpu they are all arm compatible by being arm compatible dont mean they can use the same oc tool
only 4 ways to find out
1 try it
2 wait and see if anybody come across this thread who have tried it
3 google around
4 write an email to the makers of the oc tool you wish to use
The Wing is exactly the same as the Herald, it just has another look and has Crossbow. For overclocking I suggest you use Tai Chi's BatteryStatus, a today plugin-in with overclocking options (dynamic, static, application controlled e.g.)
And if you're interested in another overclocking util, search for an utility that can clock TI (texas instruments) omap850 processors
Rumoured spec of the HTC Shift
http://www.fireinthewire.co.uk
"Qualcomm MSM7200, 400 MHz"
could mean trouble with companies sueing qualcomm
and devices with qualcomm being banned from some countries
"WM6 Professional"
if this is true i believe it would be don just like the normal emulators for pc's
dont see ms porting wm from arm arc to x86 just for that device
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"Qualcomm MSM7200, 400 MHz"
could mean trouble with companies sueing qualcomm
and devices with qualcomm being banned from some countries
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HTC somewhat un-fazed at the current Qualcomm / Broadcom dispute saying they have " a couple of contingencies in place to keep things rolling. "
I believe this dispute will be cleared up before the Q3 release.
In my opinion I can't see them doing this, for one leasing two operating systems for the one device will drive up the cost on the production side for porting it to the device specifics and to the consumer for having 2 MS operating systems running...
I would expect we will get something similar to the Samsung i900 (model name could be wrong) the UMPC esque device that ran XP and had a dialer program as part of it for utilising the devices phone functions.
Personally I can't see the practicality of WM6 on this device, I it's just too big to even have the phone function considered as useful. But as a portable comms / umpc I see some advantages.
Hopefully I'll be getting one on release, but I thinks it's going to be expensive and I'm not sure it will warrant a high price tag...
Maybe I'll just get a Mac Book Pro instead
It could just be using WM6 as a framework to utilise sideshow, and give access to your PIM info without having to wait a few minutes to boot into Vista, and wasting battery life.
Not a bad idea if that's how it would work.
It also explains that spurious 64mb RAM in specs people keep seeing, and getting confused about.
This is a question that maybe a lot of members have.
As we known OMAP850 has 2 cores 200 Mhz for GSM and 200 Mhz for WM App
And that is great ... But what happend with INTEL Processors?
I was looking info on the web about PXA27X and how manage the Mhz when WM have app running and have a incoming call.
Example. If a INTEL PXA27X has 400 Mhz how much Mhz will gone in GSM.
Or INTEL PXA27X has another core for GSM? Like OMAP850?
Or when has a incomming call the 400Mhz goes to 300Mhz or less ?
I got a TEK S200 and I ask this because I wanna buy another PDA, maybe HTC, ETEN or HP and i have this doubt.
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This is a question that maybe a lot of members have.
As we known OMAP850 has 2 cores 200 Mhz for GSM and 200 Mhz for WM App
And that is great ... But what happend with INTEL Processors?
I was looking info on the web about PXA27X and how manage the Mhz when WM have app running and have a incoming call.
Example. If a INTEL PXA27X has 400 Mhz how much Mhz will gone in GSM.
Or INTEL PXA27X has another core for GSM? Like OMAP850?
Or when has a incomming call the 400Mhz goes to 300Mhz or less ?
I got a TEK S200 and I ask this because I wanna buy another PDA, maybe HTC, ETEN or HP and i have this doubt.
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I'm not really sure what you mean - do you mean if the CPU has enough computation power to execute other tasks while the GSM is active?
If you have followed my articles (most importantly, the ones concerning recording phone calls), you already know the answer: yes, the CPU has the power to execute almost anything else. I haven't made exact CPU usage benchmarks (with acbTaskMan), but I don't think the CPU usage of the GSM module is higher than, say, 20% on a 416 MHz XScale.
it all depends on yr usage. and what u do with yr pda phone.
omap is good for battery life, if u just do appointment & task, simple mp3 leisure yes its for u (dun think abt video)
samsung chip, for 3g, good for almost all but cant support better playback for dvd quality example MOV files on tcpmp
intel chip, 416mhz is good for everything, skype, youtube, mov dvd quality video play back. but battery life sucks...
as HTC use more of TI OMAP on non 3g or SAMSUNG chip for 3g device.
while O2 Asia use INTEL chip for all the devices but have customize the chip so that u can choose between PERFORMANCE or BATTERY LIFE. appears in XDA IIi (htc/ppc2003), STEALTH (gigabyte/wm5), Zinc (asus/wm5/6), Atom Life (quanta/wm5/6), Flame (arima/wm5). so far only o2/asus/gigabyte have such feature for their pda phone.
so if you like multifunction/tasking(skype/msn/wifi/internet radio/surfing). get a good device, like ATOM LIFE
oh one more, XDA 1 is using INTEL 150mhz if i recall haha
so if u like intel so much & u want that speed, find wallaby haha
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samsung chip, for 3g, good for almost all but cant support better playback for dvd quality example MOV files on tcpmp
intel chip, 416mhz is good for everything, skype, youtube, mov dvd quality video play back. but battery life sucks...
as HTC use more of TI OMAP on non 3g or SAMSUNG chip for 3g device.
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Also add the new Qualcomm MSM7200 chipset. It seems hardware manufacturers are switching to it and ditch at least the not very multimedia-friendly Samsung. (I bet something similar will alos happen to XScale, unless they manage to radically reduce their power consumption.)
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oh one more, XDA 1 is using INTEL 150mhz if i recall haha
so if u like intel so much & u want that speed, find wallaby haha
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f-ing idiots should just keep their mouths shut. It's 208MHz, you moron. And the guy is asking about processor division of resources, not saying he wants Intel. GOT THAT? or do you need further translation?
raymondu999: I'm gonna ask you to control yourself next time. Such attitude will not be tolerated here. Thank you.
"while O2 Asia use INTEL chip for all the devices "
o2 is a phone company they dont make phones the oem phones from other companys
afaik the omap850 is not a real dual-core cpu, because both cores are not the same. one is used for normal apps and the OS and a simpler one takes care of the GSM part.
So... OMAP850 is a Simple Processor for GSM + 200 Mhz Processor for apps
Then my doubt is how Intel manage this, if a device has a spec of processor 416mhz , this 416mhz are for GSM and Apps.
I read in some posts that Intel processors has troubles to manage GSM-APPS-WIFI etc.
intel dont magede gsm and wifi
it's handled by 3th party chips i believe
it would simply see them as IO devices
Hi everyone,
i want to know if we can change the processors of android phones.
my phone is "olive pad vt 100, running android froyo with a 667 mhz qualcom m7227 processor.
i want to change it to some other more powerful processor like snapdragon 1 mhz or somthing like that.
any kinds of sugesstions(positive or negative) are welcome
thanks you.
PS:
i know this is not the rightplace to post this kind of question.but i've searched google and also other forums in this site. there is no forum related to hardware.
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Hi everyone,
i want to know if we can change the processors of android phones.
my phone is "olive pad vt 100, running android froyo with a 667 mhz qualcom m7227 processor.
i want to change it to some other more powerful processor like snapdragon 1 mhz or somthing like that.
any kinds of sugesstions(positive or negative) are welcome
thanks you.
PS:
i know this is not the rightplace to post this kind of question.but i've searched google and also other forums in this site. there is no forum related to hardware.
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Hi, Bryandeep -
While it is technically feasible, if the following is true:
The new processor is from the same chipset family, and
The new processor pinout is identical. and
The support chipsets can handle the higher speeds & currents, and
You can purchase the processor (or, get a manufacturer sample), and
You have access to and the talent for using a surface mount desoldering / soldering station.
... In reality, the answer is "No". You would be much better off (and probably a ton cheaper) to go buy the fastest and most powerful Android tablet that is available on the planet in about 3 months.
That's why you aren't seeing many (any?) posts on CPU "upgrades" for smartphones.