Keyboard symbols dont match up when typing - Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De

I've tried a few Roms by now. Most all of them have an issue. After I do an upgrade, the symbol keys (activated by presssing Fn), dont output the correct symbol.
For example, my @ puts out a !
Is there a fix for this? Why do ROM builder produce Roms with this issue?

I really should not post this on here, because you can find it easy on this forum. Next time you have a question please read over the forums first.

malulloyd said:
I've tried a few Roms by now. Most all of them have an issue. After I do an upgrade, the symbol keys (activated by presssing Fn), dont output the correct symbol.
For example, my @ puts out a !
Is there a fix for this? Why do ROM builder produce Roms with this issue?
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My magic crystal ball tells me you have a Tilt and that you do not know how to do your research. And welcome to the Forum please know that this is not like the ATT spoon fed forum, be warned, and welcome.

malulloyd said:
I've tried a few Roms by now. Most all of them have an issue. After I do an upgrade, the symbol keys (activated by presssing Fn), dont output the correct symbol.
For example, my @ puts out a !
Is there a fix for this? Why do ROM builder produce Roms with this issue?
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delete registry key
HKLM/HARDWARE/DEVICEMAP/KEYBD/CWSLayout and soft reset

Check My Signature

wrong keys!!!!!!!!!
futbolkeeper said:
My magic crystal ball tells me you have a Tilt and that you do not know how to do your research. And welcome to the Forum please know that this is not like the ATT spoon fed forum, be warned, and welcome.
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hello i`m new to this forum,i have the same problem when i press " i get a @,its driving me nutz,can someone explain in plain english what i have to do,i clicked on your tilt link and i got all this garbage up....what do i do with that!!!!!!!!!

leepylee said:
hello i`m new to this forum,i have the same problem when i press " i get a @,its driving me nutz,can someone explain in plain english what i have to do,i clicked on your tilt link and i got all this garbage up....what do i do with that!!!!!!!!!
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Download the CAB in Post #2, put on your device, and Run.
Dave

leepylee said:
hello i`m new to this forum,i have the same problem when i press " i get a @,its driving me nutz,can someone explain in plain english what i have to do,i clicked on your tilt link and i got all this garbage up....what do i do with that!!!!!!!!!
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you first have to read before posting
the 2 posts before yours includes 2 different solutions in your answer!!

Search, READ first before you post.
This is a common problem, your keyboard problem that is as well as posting before you take the time to do your own research. Use the WiKi and you will find out everything you need to know about your device. This keyboard issue has been asked so many times before. and you got lucky with the responses so far. Most people that ask questions like this without looking for the answers themselves will get flamed in a big way. So from now on use the search tools that this forum has in place to find your answers and welcome.
Ed...

How could you have flashed several roms without toasting your phone? I mean, doesn't everyone know about the keyboard fix for the Tilt? My dead Gran even knows.

You've been given all the chances in the world. You have been given the answers twice already. Now go away and dont return until you master the art of reading. I know, it does seem like a lot to ask and I know that it gets tiring reading and it probably will make your head hurt but for FS, please RTFM. Don't you dare ask what that means either. I wont be so nice if you do.

Awesome Sauce

I have a similar problem, but different. When I hit the red button on the left of the face of the phone, it hangs up the call. EVERY DAMN TIME!
What up with THAT?!?
J

You have a red button?

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I need a Clean WM6.1!

Hi, i would like to test to flash my phone with a CLEAR WM6,1 now i use Clear WM6. Does someone here can give me a link?
thrashed!!
There is a Clean ROM by fireburned. Read the threads carefully before you start a new and unnecessary thread
Is it really so difficult to read at least the first page of the vox sub forum? You didn't even have to search for it!!!
A very good first subject, congratulations...
This is my request!
Seems you do not understand i need a clean version of WM 6.1 FOR me. Not for my phone. I want to try something. Is it so hard to read and help me if you have that clean version. I do not want modifies versions and so on. I need a simple clean version of WM6.1 . Can you give me a link? Is it so hard to understand?
Well is it so hard to use the search or to read?
SIRavecavec said:
Seems you do not understand i need a clean version of WM 6.1 FOR me. Not for my phone.
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You want to install WM6.1 on your brain, not on your Vox ???
Search a little on the forum, just on the first page...
Hmmm
I guess he is after the microsofts wm 6.1 emulator image on which fireburned based his ROM on without any modification etc. I do not know how or where you can get it. If you don't mind me asking, why do you need that?
Good luck on your search.
thearif
thearif said:
I guess he is after the microsofts wm 6.1 emulator image on which fireburned based his ROM on without any modification etc. I do not know how or where you can get it. If you don't mind me asking, why do you need that?
Good luck on your search.
thearif
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If it's that, it's here :
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...52-f89e-4354-84ce-5d19c204498a&displaylang=en
Bye.
fireburned said:
You want to install WM6.1 on your brain, not on your Vox ???
Search a little on the forum, just on the first page...
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Me think too
thearif said:
I guess he is after the microsofts wm 6.1 emulator image on which fireburned based his ROM on without any modification etc. I do not know how or where you can get it. If you don't mind me asking, why do you need that?
Good luck on your search.
thearif
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Then I guess he should have mentioned emulator image, and not clean ROM. Anybody can download it from Microsoft's Site.
pple
SIRavecavec said:
Hi, i would like to test to flash my phone with a CLEAR WM6,1 now i use Clear WM6. Does someone here can give me a link?
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Here you want it for your phone.
SIRavecavec said:
Seems you do not understand i need a clean version of WM 6.1 FOR me. Not for my phone. I want to try something. Is it so hard to read and help me if you have that clean version. I do not want modifies versions and so on. I need a simple clean version of WM6.1 . Can you give me a link? Is it so hard to understand?
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Here you don't want it for your phone
+1 for matrix77
Whats up with you people?
I totally understand it irritates people when someone asks a question which has been answered so many times elsewhere. But the attitude thrown at a newcomer with such a question is a little exaggerated (in a bad way). First of all, most of us use English as a 2nd language and as a result having a language barrier. And some of us can not even explain what we mean %100 right. YES they should search a little bit before posting. But what if they could not find the answer they were looking for, or did not UNDERSTAND which is quite possible. I mean have you tried to search Vox forum for little things? Such as how to do some tiny adjustment, modding? First couple dozen of the results you get are from cooked ROMs and those topics are very long (close to 100 pages) due to popularity of these ROMs. I am glad that it is like that, as I found fireburned's fabulous clean ROM that way. But requires quite a bit of reading and there is chance people can miss it.
So it seems, when people learn some, arrogance takes over?... Is that it?
Instead of writing some insulting comments to the poster of the question without any real answer to the question, Can I suggest not to reply at all. That way, you would not waste your precious time.
God, am I glad that my teacher was not like some of people here, so all my questions (stupid or not) are answered in a nice manner. And I am hoping to be the same way with my students.
I really appreciate all the good work you guys are doing here. But come on !!
The guy with the question joins the forum only on the 17th of Jan.. What happened to the hospitality.
thearif
@thearif
if you think we are abusive, please report the post by clicking on the Red triangle on top left of the post.Thanks and best of luck. BTW there are lot of noobs we help or rather spoon feed when they brick their devices, and that includes each and every one who has replied to this thread, try searching for our posts.
Best of luck about reporting.
Hi Shaunak.it,
I don't need to search for your posts to know that you guys helped a lot of noob's including myself. And I am grateful for that and appreciate it a lot. And I think your reply to this post (the first one) was good and maybe I would've written the same thing, as you referred him to fb's clean ROM first and also asked him to do a search first then post. Which is totally understandable. But that should have been enough as it already made the point. There was no need for anybody else to re-iterate the same thing over and over again. Especially the very first reply to this post was ridiculous. "Trashed" what the hell does that mean? Anyways, there is no need to prolong this conversation. I apologize if I make you feel the need to defend yourself as it was no attack on anybody. It was merely me being bothered by the treatment this poster got for his question. As none of us truly understood what he was really asking for in the first place. Clear ROM may mean fb's clean rom, or microsoft base for wm6.1 or whatever. Who knows...
thearif
thearif said:
So it seems, when people learn some, arrogance takes over?... Is that it?
What happened to the hospitality.
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Arrogance... In the same day, 3 news guys (only 1 post) who asks one question that answer is on the first page of this forum, excuse me, but i can't undestand and say : "welcome to you, ohhhh, you d'ont read just the first page of this forum, you don't search 5 min an answer of your question, but let me help you, i can tell you the good answer, no need to seek, just post your first question !"
NO, NO, NO, and NO !!!
Hospitality comes with respect of forum's rules and peoples who make this place a good space of exchanges !
Take 5 min and search a litle is the minimum i think.
Bye.
there is a rule in this forum and most forums for that matter:
SEARCH BEFORE YOU POST.
btw did you report?

refurbished touch pro not with touchflo3d

can somebody please tell me how to get touch flo3d on this, all i can see is the windows mob 6.1, i have no idea what to do ahh
I'd just flash a different ROM. It'll likely be better than the stock ROM you have now and it'll have TouchFlo3D installed if you pick a ROM with it built in.
rizzleboi said:
can somebody please tell me how to get touch flo3d on this, all i can see is the windows mob 6.1, i have no idea what to do ahh
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I can tell you.....
1st , you posted the same vague question on at least 2 forums. This one is a little better.
2nd. You need to read the sticky's at the top of the forums. All the answers should be there.
3rd. Use the search.
If you can't seem to get it working then maybe someone else will spend some time to help. But if you spend 30sec describing your issue and goto lunch.......................................then I'll do the same for you....
noellenchris said:
I can tell you.....
1st , you posted the same vague question on at least 2 forums. This one is a little better.
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Sorry lol i panicked just a tad, and the forum is quite hard for me to find answers since ALL of my questions are basic since im new to windows mobile and this site. Anyway i got it working, just needed resetting
rizzleboi said:
Sorry lol i panicked just a tad, and the forum is quite hard for me to find answers since ALL of my questions are basic since im new to windows mobile and this site. Anyway i got it working, just needed resetting
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I did the same thing and got flamed...lol.. I didn't mean to sound rude... Welcome to XDA , in a panic most of us quickly post first then search....lol
Slow down, glad to hear you got it working.....
one quick q: where did you a refurb fuze?

Weather update

There is no automatic weather update in manila 2.5.19211... I have ticked the "download data automatically". I have also selected every one hr. but updates seems to happen only when manually going to the weather page or tab. I am using udk Leo R7.
joe mboule said:
There is no automatic weather update in manila 2.5.19211... I have ticked the "download data automatically". I have also selected every one hr. but updates seems to happen only when manually going to the weather page or tab. I am using udk Leo R7.
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Then ASK in the thread of udK. Don't open new threads for simple things like this.
Post in right thread.
Don't open new threads if not really necessary.
Read and use the search-button.
And don't forget Google...
koen-ronse said:
Then ASK in the thread of udK. Don't open new threads for simple things like this.
Post in right thread.
Don't open new threads if not really necessary.
Read and use the search-button.
And don't forget Google...
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Hi. Ok, i have recently seen various post where people are asking for help about a partiqular issue. Yet all the the time, u have been either rude or cockey and totally demotivating.
I can understand your fustration that some people may have not used the search function,have posted in the wrong thread, or ultimatley have started a new thread, but i feel that is not the way to respond. y dont u just point them to the right direction in a more friendly way?
we were all a newbie once...(well i still am Lol!!)
I hope u dont take it the wrong way, but i personally wouldnt like it if someone responded like that. As a senior member, we look up to you guys to try and help us and or point us to the right direction.
rumz82 said:
Hi. Ok, i have recently seen various post where people are asking for help about a partiqular issue. Yet all the the time, u have been either rude or cockey and totally demotivating.
I can understand your fustration that some people may have not used the search function,have posted in the wrong thread, or ultimatley have started a new thread, but i feel that is not the way to respond. y dont u just point them to the right direction in a more friendly way?
we were all a newbie once...(well i still am Lol!!)
I hope u dont take it the wrong way, but i personally wouldnt like it if someone responded like that. As a senior member, we look up to you guys to try and help us and or point us to the right direction.
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Thanks to all who don't use search and open directly a new thread, it is more difficult to find something for the searching people (like me), because you get a huge number of hits with irrelevant threads... Get it?
I don't want to demotivate but motivate to search and read. When you give directly a helping link, they stay doing it.
Seeing every time new opened threads from newbies with every time the same silly questions, that's very demotivating for us, the people who supposed to help you. And that's what you'r looking for here, somebody who wants to help you. We don't have to do it, but we like it because this forum is a bit like a hobby for us.
So, we can shoose, saying nothing more or trying to teach you how a forum works. I prefer the last thing... And if somebody like me (the bad one) point you in the right direction, it's not for beeing bad, but for getting a better usefull forum. You can see in my posthistory that it's really multiple times a day that new useless threads were opened...
Normally it's a work for the moderators, but they also have a live and can not be always here, because also them are doing this as a hobby. Be all glad that I don't be one of them or it was the same comment and also closing the thread directly.
I take some time for this post because I can quote him for futur use when I get comments again from not-readers, not-searchers, new-post-openers and silly-question-posters...
If you have really followed my posts, you know that I help a lot when the rules are followed a bit...
And do you know why I can help others? Because I read a lot...
I am using UDK R7, I get the updates,.. have you tried a hard reset see if that sorts it out...
Sorry that i posted to wrong section. I thought it was a problem with Sense and not the rom, reason being my posting to this section. I think hard resetting would be extreme. Will search and see if anything comes up.
koen-ronse said:
Thanks to all who don't use search and open directly a new thread, it is more difficult to find something for the searching people (like me), because you get a huge number of hits with irrelevant threads... Get it?
I don't want to demotivate but motivate to search and read. When you give directly a helping link, they stay doing it.
Seeing every time new opened threads from newbies with every time the same silly questions, that's very demotivating for us, the people who supposed to help you. And that's what you'r looking for here, somebody who wants to help you. We don't have to do it, but we like it because this forum is a bit like a hobby for us.
So, we can shoose, saying nothing more or trying to teach you how a forum works. I prefer the last thing... And if somebody like me (the bad one) point you in the right direction, it's not for beeing bad, but for getting a better usefull forum. You can see in my posthistory that it's really multiple times a day that new useless threads were opened...
Normally it's a work for the moderators, but they also have a live and can not be always here, because also them are doing this as a hobby. Be all glad that I don't be one of them or it was the same comment and also closing the thread directly.
I take some time for this post because I can quote him for futur use when I get comments again from not-readers, not-searchers, new-post-openers and silly-question-posters...
If you have really followed my posts, you know that I help a lot when the rules are followed a bit...
And do you know why I can help others? Because I read a lot...
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I understand bro, all i was getting at was just try to put it in a nicer way,thats all. regarding "silly" posts or questions, yeah, i have seen some VERY silly questions and i think to myself "the human stupidity IS infinite"! and i understand that it is coz of those posts/questions, ppl can get fustrated as it does clutter the forum.
I know you have helped alot of ppl, continue to do so.
i admit i personally havnt had alot of input in the forum as i still am a newbie, and anytime i have thought of answering a question, i fall back thinking if i am giving the right or wrong answer as i dont wanna make a fool out of myelf just being honest bro.

Icon Bar on Pure

I'm sure there's a post related to this, but I haven't been able to locate the information.
I have an ATT Pure version of Topaz
My question is the icon (slider) bar on the phone has a blue background behind the icons and it wont go away. I'm new to making mods to the phone say is there a cab out there to chang this? and or if a file what do I do in order to add it into the phone and update this blue bar. I'd prefer it to be clear and allow my wallpaper to show through it.
Thanks for your time and help
JT
triton360 said:
I'm sure there's a post related to this, but I haven't been able to locate the information.
I have an ATT Pure version of Topaz
My question is the icon (slider) bar on the phone has a blue background behind the icons and it wont go away. I'm new to making mods to the phone say is there a cab out there to chang this? and or if a file what do I do in order to add it into the phone and update this blue bar. I'd prefer it to be clear and allow my wallpaper to show through it.
Thanks for your time and help
JT
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Search for a transparant slider. Not so difficult...
Don't open a new thread for each question you have.
koen-ronse said:
Search for a transparant slider. Not so difficult...
Don't open a new thread for each question you have.
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Koen-ronse, these forums are littered with you telling people to search for things. You can see that some people are noobies and don't yet know the terminology or even the language, but you persist. I have checked your posts and sure enough about 50% of these relate to you telling people off for not searching. Please stop it. I waste more of my time reading your unhelpful posts like this than those of other people.
Triton 360 - it is not the transparant SLIDER you need to find, it is the transparant CURTAINS. Depending on what Manila you have will depend on what you will need. Check your manila type in the settings tab of your touch flo. Then search for the right one for your phone. If your TouchFLO 3D number starts with 2.0, then you will be able to use the file attached here. You can of course try it anyway, but if you do, be sure to back-up first.
mitsi said:
Koen-ronse, these forums are littered with you telling people to search for things. You can see that some people are noobies and don't yet know the terminology or even the language, but you persist. I have checked your posts and sure enough about 50% of these relate to you telling people off for not searching. Please stop it. I waste more of my time reading your unhelpful posts like this than those of other people.
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So you have also seen these two?
koen-ronse said:
Thanks to all who don't use search and open directly a new thread, it is more difficult to find something for the searching people (like me), because you get a huge number of hits with irrelevant threads... Get it?
I don't want to demotivate but motivate to search and read. When you give directly a helping link, they stay doing it.
Seeing every time new opened threads from newbies with every time the same silly questions, that's very demotivating for us, the people who supposed to help you. And that's what you'r looking for here, somebody who wants to help you. We don't have to do it, but we like it because this forum is a bit like a hobby for us.
So, we can shoose, saying nothing more or trying to teach you how a forum works. I prefer the last thing... And if somebody like me (the bad one) point you in the right direction, it's not for beeing bad, but for getting a better usefull forum. You can see in my posthistory that it's really multiple times a day that new useless threads were opened...
Normally it's a work for the moderators, but they also have a live and can not be always here, because also them are doing this as a hobby. Be all glad that I don't be one of them or it was the same comment and also closing the thread directly.
I take some time for this post because I can quote him for futur use when I get comments again from not-readers, not-searchers, new-post-openers and silly-question-posters...
If you have really followed my posts, you know that I help a lot when the rules are followed a bit...
And do you know why I can help others? Because I read a lot...
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koen-ronse said:
I'm from Belgium. Here we speak Dutch, French and a bit German. Most of my English I've learned here and on the internet in general by reading and even now at the moment my online Google translator is opened... So no excuse for that...
But even with the exact words it's difficult to find the right thread or post if you're searching something. And that was not a problem about 2 years ago. That's started with all the new users now. It takes a little work, but if everybody does a little effort, this forum can be a strong instrument again...
Before htc was only buyed by people who were really interested. Now htc is a more commercial product. People buy it and thereafter they can not work with it. They are not interested, they just want that it works. So they don't read, don't search... They just want an instant solution or link for there problem... Result: 100's questions of the same type... It's really demotivating for people who love there device and want to learn and share knowledge here...
I really hope that mods can do something at that, but i'm afraid it's a hopeless situation. I'm allready happy if I can prevent somebody of opening a second useless thread, even the first one is allready one to much...
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After reading that, you should understand...
Yawn, yawn - these are your opinions and I stand by my point that you don't help may people and you waste my time and that of others.
mitsi said:
Yawn, yawn - these are your opinions and I stand by my point that you don't help may people and you waste my time and that of others.
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If they don't open a useless new thread, but post there question in the right excisting one, you even don't have to open it...
I have had to read through more flaming posts than stupid questions lately.
Its quite annoying.
Thanks! mitsi, that did the trick.
Sorry Koen I was unware of what that object was called, so I was looking for "sliders" and not finding the information I was looking for.
Thanks again.
Interesting...
Couple members on this, Topaz XDA underforum, have behaviour like MODs or ADMIN, but them ARE DIDNT THAT...Why this members get mods job ??? You are "members" or "senior members"...dont "moderator" or "administrator"...And if dont will, or if dont know helping oder "younger" members or "newbies" , than please dont reply with "clevering"... But, if something isnt about forum rules, that make "clean" moderators...
Thanks and
Regards

TTN

Recently i have upgraded to WM 6.5. But when I install TTN 7.9, I get an error. Anyone who knows which version works on WM 6.5?
Tnx!
MDAJoel said:
Recently i have upgraded to WM 6.5. But when I install TTN 7.9, I get an error. Anyone who knows which version works on WM 6.5?
Tnx!
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6 posts and you opened already 3 threads about TomTom...
And what is "an error"???
You want help? Be clear in your questions and ask them in an excisting thread. Start reading and use the searchbutton...
@koen-ronse
I see a lot of reply's from you and im wondering if youre here to help or to complain?
djg269 said:
@koen-ronse
I see a lot of reply's from you and im wondering if youre here to help or to complain?
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Then you have also seen this one...
koen-ronse said:
Thanks to all who don't use search and open directly a new thread, it is more difficult to find something for the searching people (like me), because you get a huge number of hits with irrelevant threads... Get it?
I don't want to demotivate but motivate to search and read. When you give directly a helping link, they stay doing it.
Seeing every time new opened threads from newbies with every time the same silly questions, that's very demotivating for us, the people who supposed to help you. And that's what you'r looking for here, somebody who wants to help you. We don't have to do it, but we like it because this forum is a bit like a hobby for us.
So, we can shoose, saying nothing more or trying to teach you how a forum works. I prefer the last thing... And if somebody like me (the bad one) point you in the right direction, it's not for beeing bad, but for getting a better usefull forum. You can see in my posthistory that it's really multiple times a day that new useless threads were opened...
Normally it's a work for the moderators, but they also have a live and can not be always here, because also them are doing this as a hobby. Be all glad that I don't be one of them or it was the same comment and also closing the thread directly.
I take some time for this post because I can quote him for futur use when I get comments again from not-readers, not-searchers, new-post-openers and silly-question-posters...
If you have really followed my posts, you know that I help a lot when the rules are followed a bit...
And do you know why I can help others? Because I read a lot...
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And it gets worse and worse every day. Before there were only WM-users who were able to work with it. More and more the usual users buy a htc and always the same problems are passing here...
Your post isn't very helpfull also...
your forgetting the language problem i think
Many of us are struggling to find the exact words or terms.
But i read your post and sorry for the blame
djg269 said:
your forgetting the language problem i think
Many of us are struggling to find the exact words or terms.
But i read your post and sorry for the blame
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I'm from Belgium. Here we speak Dutch, French and a bit German. Most of my English I've learned here and on the internet in general by reading and even now at the moment my online Google translator is opened... So no excuse for that...
But even with the exact words it's difficult to find the right thread or post if you're searching something. And that was not a problem about 2 years ago. That's started with all the new users now. It takes a little work, but if everybody does a little effort, this forum can be a strong instrument again...
Before htc was only buyed by people who were really interested. Now htc is a more commercial product. People buy it and thereafter they can not work with it. They are not interested, they just want that it works. So they don't read, don't search... They just want an instant solution or link for there problem... Result: 100's questions of the same type... It's really demotivating for people who love there device and want to learn and share knowledge here...
I really hope that mods can do something at that, but i'm afraid it's a hopeless situation. I'm allready happy if I can prevent somebody of opening a second useless thread, even the first one is allready one to much...
Yes i agree with koen-ronse, but problem is when man something search, have so much found undetermined result...newbie have problem. E.G. type "MMS error" , you have got about 5000 post results...And what doing that ! Read all 5000 posts ??? But it dosent your thing, it is something for Admin and Mods...Must something better make with "Search button". We "oldie WM-er" have search problem, how about "newbie" ??? Very hardly...
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miro666 said:
Yes i agree with koen-ronse, but problem is when man something search, have so much found undetermined result...newbie have problem. E.G. type "MMS error" , you have got about 5000 post results...And what doing that ! Read all 5000 posts ??? But it dosent your thing, it is something for Admin and Mods...Must something better make with "Search button". We "oldie WM-er" have search problem, how about "newbie" ??? Very hardly...
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