Software problems after installation - Touch Cruise General

Good afternoon. I've installed two different programs and after installation, trying to run them i get error messages, as follow :
1) Program EventCountdownV2.2.exe. After installation (either in device, or
storage card), when i run the program i get this error message :
There is an unexpected error in application EventCountdownV2.2.exe. Choose "End" and then run this program again or choose "Details" for more details.
Details :
EventCountdownV2.2.exe
InvalidCastException
in Microsoft.VisualBasic.CompilerServices.Conversions.ToDate()
in RFTEventCountdown.form1.ListBox1_SelectedIndexChanged()
in System.Windows.Forms.ListBox.OnSelectedIndexChanged()
in System.Windows.Forms.Control._InternalWnProc()
in Microsoft.AGL.Forms.CTL.ListBox.set_SelectedIndex()
in RFTEventCountdown.form1.form1_Load()
in System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnLoad()
in System.Windows.Forms.Form_SetVisibleNotify()
in System.Windows.Forms.Control.set_Visible()
in System.Windows.Forms.Application.Run()
in RFTEventCountdown.form1.Main()
2) Program iFonz-0.9.4.exe. After installation (either in device, or
storage card), when i run the program i get this error message :
There is an unexpected error in application iFonz.exe. Choose "End" and then run this program again or choose "Details" for more details.
The query string is incorrectly formatted.
It is not possible to show error message because it is not possible to find optional sources retention.
Details :
iFonz.exe
ArgumentException
The query string is incorrectly formatted.
It is not possible to show error message because it is not possible to find optional sources retention.
in Microsoft.WindowsMobile.PocketOutlook.AppointmentCollection.Restrict()
in iFonz.iFonz.SetTopAndBallons()
in iFonz.iFonz.iFonz_Load()
in System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnLoad()
in System.Windows.Forms.Form_SetVisibleNotify()
in System.Windows.Forms.Control.set_Visible()
in System.Windows.Forms.Application.Run()
in iFonz.iFonz.Main()
Can somebody help me ? Is there any idea why this hapen? Any solution ? I tried to update .NET Compact Framework 3.5 Redistributable (installation sucsseful), but no results. Still get errors.
Regards
Kostas

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BIG Problem updating the wiki!! PLEASE HELP!

HI. Please help me! I wasn't able to modify an article on the WIKI (wiki.xda-developers.com).
All the time I press the "Edit" Button, FireFox give me the option to download the php file :?: :?: :shock: WEIRD
The address I was modifying was:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=List of HimaUpgradeUt.exe Error Code
After trying it several times, I could get inside and edit the page, then I saved it, and now is BLANK!!!!
HEEEEELLPPPP
The contets of the page at the time of my edit were:
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ERROR 100: MODEL ID ERROR
Definition: ROM image is not design for the device you are upgrading. It happens when you try to use Himalaya's ROM image into other HTC like MAGICIAN, BlueAngel or Alpine
Solution: Use appropriate ROM Upgrade image for your Device, no two device can share the same ROM
ERROR 101: CONNECTION ERROR
ERROR 102: CE IMAGE FILE CHECKSUM ERROR
ERROR 103: ROM IMAGE FILE NOT FOUND
ERROR 104: CANNOT OPEN ROM IMAGE FILE
ERROR 105: OPEN PORT FAILURE
ERROR 106: EXECUTE REMOTE COMMUNICATION PROGRAM FAILURE
WARNING 111: POWER ADAPTER NOT PLUGGED IN
ERROR 112: CE ROM UPDATE ERROR
ERROR 113: EXTENDED ROM UPDATE ERROR
ERROR 114: RADIO ROM UPDATE ERROR
ERROR 115: INVALID VERSION OF ACTIVESYNC
ERROR:116 GENERAL ERROR
ERROR 117: INVALID MODEL ID
ERROR 120: COUNTRY ID ERROR
ERROR 121: LANGUAGE ID ERROR
ERROR 122: EXTENDED IMAGE FILE CHECKSUM ERROR
ERROR 123: RADIO IMAGE FILE CHECKSUM ERROR
ERROR 130: CREATE CE ROM IMAGE ERROR
ERROR 131: ALLOCATE MEMORY ERROR
ERROR 132: WRITE DATA ERROR
ERROR 133: COMMUNICATION ERROR
ERROR 134: READ CE ROM IMAGE ERROR
ERROR 135: COMMUNICATION ERROR
ERROR 136: COMMUNICATION INTERRUPT
ERROR 137: COMMUNICATION ERROR
ERROR 150: ROM UPGRADE UTILITY ERROR
ERROR 200: WRITE EXTENDED ROM FAIL
Error 201: GET DEVICE DATA ERROR
This error is a bit misleading. The BAUpdate tool is trying to switch the phone into bootloader mode, and the phone for some reason is being uncooperative. This happens to me from time to time. The best, and quickest way around this is to force the phone into Bootloader manually. By pressing the record button, while doing a hard reset (Power + Reset) your phone will enter bootloader mode. You can verify this as the screen will say, Serial, and change to USB when you cradle it.
Once you cradle your phone, Windows will detect it as new hardware, and take a minute or two configure the right driver(Microsoft USB Sync). Once this is complete, you can run the BAUpgrade utility again, and this time you should get past error 201.
Error 202: READ IMAGE ERROR
ERROR 210: CREATE EXTENDED ROM IMAGE ERROR
ERROR 211: ALLOCATE MEMORY ERROR
ERROR 212: WRITE DATA ERROR
ERROR 213: COMMUNICATION ERROR
ERROR 214: READ EXTENDED ROM IMAGE ERROR
ERROR 215 COMMUNICATION ERROR
ERROR 216: COMMUNICATION INTERRUPT
ERROR 310: CREATE RADIO ROM IMAGE ERROR
ERROR 311: ALLOCATE MEMORY ERROR
ERROR 312: WRITE DATA ERROR
ERROR 313: COMMUNICATION ERROR
ERROR 314: READ RADIO ROM IMAGE ERROR
ERROR 315: COMMUNICATION ERROR
ERROR 316: COMMUNICATION INTERRUPT
ERROR 317: COMMUNICATION ERROR
Hi,
I tried it too & have simular probs in changing any wiki page @ the moment. IMHO there's something wrong on the serverside cause the text is still present but compilation into a page fails.
Try again later is my suggestion.
Cheers, M
Yup, I thought it was a temporary problem. Moreover, I'm having the same strange behaviour in some wiki links.
For instance:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_Versions
It is the first link on this page:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_FAQ_Upgrade_Radio
Thanks for your answer. I'll try later........
oltp said:
Hi,
I tried it too & have simular probs in changing any wiki page @ the moment. IMHO there's something wrong on the serverside cause the text is still present but compilation into a page fails.
Try again later is my suggestion.
Cheers, M
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If the problem persists you can always pm 'peter poelman' or another moderator, maybe they can fix it.
The way it is now, we'll have a very empty wiki soon. Luckily the preview shows the same errors & peolpe should be warned by that, so as long as people don't save any changes to a page...
Luckily, I think you can allways get an older version of the page.
Cheers
oltp said:
If the problem persists you can always pm 'peter poelman' or another moderator, maybe they can fix it.
The way it is now, we'll have a very empty wiki soon. Luckily the preview shows the same errors & peolpe should be warned by that, so as long as people don't save any changes to a page...
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arieltools said:
Luckily, I think you can allways get an older version of the page.
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Ok learned something again, I didn't know that.

incl. ROM now: WM 6 updated Tornado kitchen with SDHC + 28/25MB total/avail storage

This kitchen is a continuation of the Nitrogenious kitchen released at XDA-devlopers.
Nothing has changed from the tools side, only subtle adaptations and altered content.
Thanks go to :
all the experts at XDA-developers (too many to list)
Nitrogenious for releasing his WM6 kitchen and the superb WM6 package contained therein.
The original kitchen is found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2150690&postcount=1
Mind that usage description has to be taken from there!
Cotulla for publishing the OMAP850_SDHC.dll that can handle SDHC cards and llnhhy for putting the crucial REG setting in his published package for the Tornado.
More details are discussed here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=576164
SGregory for revealing (at least I found it there) that "format BINFS" can actuall take a parameter that sizes the BINFS partition and thus opens the path to gain device storage space if the ROM gets smaller!
More details on saving space are outlined here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=491240
- Sir.B and geistteufel for the Squeezer batches for UPX. XDA-Develpoer threads are:
original: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=481880 and post of geistteufel (the one used in this release): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3540501&postcount=92
Disclaimer:
This is for educational purposes only!
There will be no support for the published content!
Enjoy and contribute.
Warning:
Mind that from the "cooking" or "kitchen" point of view this is for sure an old base and possibly more elaborate tools and definitely newer OS versions exist. The produced files should not be able to "brick" your device if you correctly set the Image Name to "OS" in the last step of the cooking process. IPL or SPL should never be written unless you know exaclty what you do - the kitchen only cooks the OS part! Writing incorrect content to the IPL or SPL area will brick your device for sure, so be careful!
Motivation:
This effort was only done to get a running stable ROM with SDHC support included that occupies as little storage space as possible
still having mandatory elements on board
filling the remaining space with useful tools
Space saving strategies (order of benefit):
outsource parts to SD card where possible (.NET CF 3.5)
compress files (.exe and .dll) that are not stored as modules with UPX where function permitts.
remove files that are not needed for any function
remove media data (ringtones, pictures) and leave only the bare minimum
resize media data where possible to further decrease size
not done, but possible:
- remove optional packages (additional color schemes) (25k)
- remove empty packages (15k)
- summarize registry tweak packages to just one additional package (edit the .rgu) (few kB)
About UPX and builtin BINFS compression:
My experience is that the BINFS compression shrinks a set of example files (.NET CF 3.5 files that reside in the \Windows path) to about 49% while UPX'ed they only take 32% of their initial size. So on average you may gain 17% of the initial filesize in your ROM. The larger the file, the better is usually the gain.
Mind that UPX will only compress exe/dll files (even if they may be named differently, see Total Commander's *.tfx) and does not compress exe/dll that depend on .NET. It works luckily on the .NET CF core parts itself.
You should not compress (even if compression works, these DLLs will not load later):
resource DLLs
menu extension DLLs (context menus)
Updated and altered content:
added SDHC support by replacing the OMAP850_SDHC.dll with an SDHC capable version initially created for the StrTrk. So far there are no negative impacts visible.
altered the titles of the options to indicate the space they take - also UPX'ed size
moved the oemstartup.dll and the relevant pictures to the folder where the optional sounds already resided
added German T9 to the English T9 - so both is installed in the system if you select this. Mind that an additional language is not eating much space (~70k)
added the SafeInboxExtension as an own option to add, removed the InboxExtension from the combined "Group SMS + ..." menu
put moBlue to the latest version (2.1) and adapted rgu content.
added an option for registry changes called "tobbie GUI tweaks" that sum up everything that I think is useful (smaller menus, fonts, scrollbars, value for gamma).
updated the TotalCmd to the latest released version
created several additional packages from the previous default content (CeleTask, ClearType Tuner, ClockOnTop, ComManager, Dopod SIM Manager, .NET CF 3.5, OMAPClock, OxiosAlarms, OxiosMemory)
added a new package for .NET CF 3.5 where the GAC_* files have to reside on SD card. The complemtary ZIP containing the files to copy on SD card are located in the "_Changes" directory.
added the GPSID Settings tool to the GPSID directory
included the SP1 fixes supplied by Nitrogenious (FakeCursor not included)
changed several tweaked menus in the settings -> system tweaks
added options for volume setting of the initial beep and voice tag to the Voice Tag menu in system tweaks, changed category of the [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\Sounds\VRecBeg] from "Notifcation" to "System" so that only the sounds sent form the VoiceTag are audible when the System sound volume is set to 0.
completely UPX'ed the SYS\MMSCAMCLKSTK *.exe and *.dll (except 2)
replaced the htcmidi.avd with the WM5 version to get back good midi playback,
added the HTCSourceflt.dll (from Nitrogenious SP1) to get midi playback in wmplayer
removed two large files from this directory which are nowhere referenced (CameraRC_*.dll).
updated WM5torage to the latest version (1.90), already setting suitable defaults.
fixed default settings for A2DP
Directory and contents
added a batchfile (you may want to edit) where the %SystemDrive% can be set to any value. This allows to install the kitchen on any drive you like and not on C:\ (the normal systemdrive) as it was mandatory. Mind that the scope of this %systemdrive setting is limited to the batch execution only. You can put the whole environment on a large RAMdisk (~380MB required) - this speeds up the cooking dramatically! A large RAM disk is available from "[ QSoft ] Qualitative Software" (1 year trial for the lite version) - see here: http://members.fortunecity.com/ramdisk/RAMDisk/ramdriv002.htm .
added a subdirectory "_Squeezer" where you find the UPX compression set "Squeezer" also published at XDA-developers (readme contained there). I have used this set to batch compress many files before putting them to ROM.
added a directory "_Changes" where you find the compressed and original versions of the files in equally named subdirectories OEM and SYS like in the WORK path. So in case you want to go back to the non-UPX-ed version they are there. Continuing the UPX-batch directory logic (2_Backup, 3_Compressed) there are further ones (4_removed and 5_changed) to document the changes done to the original content.
The rest of the kitchen is identical to the one Nitrogenious had released.
Download here: http://www.mediafire.com/file/xdiz2xzmote/Tornado_Kitchen_v09_by_tobbbie.exe
Quick Start:
- Unpack to C:\
- read cooking guide at Nitrogen's thread (see above)
- using defaults you get a ROM with: http://www.mediafire.com/file/z3ynij5ynzd/default-settings.gif
- available storage 27,97MB, free after 1.st boot 24,8MB
Correction: If you want to use the moBlue package, please edit the RGU file and add a blank line at the end. Using notepad will ensure that the file stays in unicode format.
Correction-2 (14.10.2010): You will experience that while WMP is playing the backlight will not go off as normal. This can be fixed by replacing the HTCWMPPlug.dll in the \windows directory on the device or in C:\Torn\_Changes\SYS\MMSCAMCLOCKSTK in the kitchen with the attached file.
Please make sure that your device is "SuperCID" before entering the "Format BINFS command. See post 3.
added 20100314: (edited 20100504)
Despite it is really extremely easy to cook your own ROM with the kitchen, let me give you a head start with your old Tornado. I have cooked the default settings to a ROM and added all tools that you need to step from a stock Tornado to the cooked one in a single archive.
Download it from here: http://www.mediafire.com/file/njm040ttoxm/_tobbbie-tornado-WM6(SDHC-NetCF_on_SD).exe
Unpacking it you will find a directory structure:
Code:
_tobbbie-tornado-WM6(SDHC-NetCF_on_SD)
├───1 prepare security
│ ├───1 HTCUnlock
│ └───2 SDA_ApplicationUnlock
├───2 prepare for custom flash
│ └───Utils
├───3 flash latest Radio and SPL
├───4 format BINFS 1b00000
├───5 flash ROM
└───6 copy NetCF to SD
└───Windows
Follow the actions in the directories one-by-one:
You only need to do steps 1 and 3 if you come from an official ROM but Step 2 (lokiwiz) needs only be done once per device.
If you flash another cooked ROM you can start from step 4.
Attention: In case you did not notice yet - the following procedures will completely erase all content that you stored on the device (email, SMS, MMS, ToDo, Contacts - simply everything) - the device will be as if it comes out of the box. So back up your data before you do this!
Here is what to do in detail, how and why:
Prepare security: This means that the restrictive program execution privileges have to be set less firm to allow step 2 to run later.
Connect your Tornado to the PC and let Active Sync connect. First run HTCUnlock-CVS.exe in the directory 1 HTCUnlock. This will install a program on your device. Run the installed program there and restart the device.
After the device has reconnected to Active Sync, on the PC run the program SDA_ApplicationUnlock.exe in the folder 2 SDA_ApplicationUnlock. It should confirm "succesfully unlocked".
Now the device is ready to receive the "SuperCID" that allows to flash any ROM to it, regardless of Operator or Vendor limitations. To be on the safe side later, please enter on the device *#06# and note down the IMEI that the device reports - you will need it later.
This needs only be done once per device - it is a permanent setting that survives all ROM updates.
Go to the folder 2 prepare for custom flash and
make sure there are no files *.bin left from previous device's activities
then execute Lokiwiz.bat. It will prompt you with 4 options:
Code:
U. Unlock
L. Lock
C. CID Unlock (SuperCID)
Q. Quit
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Type the letter and press Enter:
Input "C" <enter>.
It will copy a program (itsutils) to the device and it should ask you for permission to execute - grant execution and let the batch file continue. You should find 2 new files beside the Lokiwiz.bat (lock-backup.bin and cid-unlocked.bin). Move them to a safe place immediately and do not repeat the procedure or call another option!
Be careful to label these files unambigously (best is to append the device's IMEI to the name - get it with *#06# before and do not use the IMEI printed on the label of the device - as restoring a wrong *.bin file to a device will kill the GSM radio access (Message: Data Crashes, please contact your... when trying to connect to the network with a SIM card inserted).
Now the device is prepared to receive custom ROMs.
Let's first put the last available Radio ROM and SPL (Secondary Program Loader) to the device. Go to the directory 3 flash latest Radio and SPL and execute ROMUpdateUtility.exe. After successfull update the device will restart in the old OS, nothing has visibly changed - you could still use the device as it is, all your data are still there.
Now the preparations start to erase the old OS and flash the new one.
Deactivate USB connections for the Active Sync
Switch off the device and disconnect from USB
Press Camera Key and keep it pushed down while connecting the USB cable to the PC - wait until the 3-color screen appears and release the camera key.
Start ttermpro.exe in directory 4 format BINFS 1b00000
Select Serial and Port USB
Press <enter> in the terminal window, you should get prompt CMD>
enter info 2 <enter> you should see something like:
Code:
Cmd>info 2
GetDeviceInfo=0x00000002
+ SD Controller init
- SD Controller init
+StorageInit
CMD55 failed
+ SD Controller init
- SD Controller init
+StorageInit
CMD55 failed
HTCSSuperCID ' HTCE
Cmd>
The last line must show HTCSSuperCID ' HTCE.
If you see anything else there (e.g. HTCSVODA0504 㱍dHTCE - which is for an Austrian V1240) the lokiwiz in step 2 above did not work correctly. Still you have not destroyed anything (hopefully) - so to get the old OS start up again, enter ResetDevice <enter> - the device will restart and boot again. Think about what went wrong in the previous steps.
The lokiwiz batch file and the tools behind it are very powerful and can kill the GSM radio access of the device. Be careful with the *.bin files and keep those of different devices clearly apart.
In case you see HTCSSuperCID ' HTCE then you can pass the point of no return (after this the OS and all your data are deleted from the device) and enter at the prompt format BINFS 1b00000 <enter>. (The value 1b00000 depends on the ROM size, so if you use a different ROM, the value may also be different.) After a few seconds the prompt returns and the partition where the OS was stored is cleaned up now. The device will not boot beyond the 3-color screen in this state. You need to flash the new OS in the next step - but before this enter ResetDevice <enter> - the device will restart and return to the 3-color screen.
Terminate the tterm.exe, you will not need it any further.
Re-activate USB connections in Active Sync - you may forget it later.
Enter the directory 5 flash ROM and execute ROMUpdateUtility.exe. The procedure looks the same as in step 3 but takes a little longer. Do not get nervous as the time at 100% extends a few minutes. The device will reboot and bring you to the new OS.
The SD card that shall be used in the device needs to have the NetCF 3.5 files copied to the directory \Windows finally. This is NOT on the device but on the card - you can copy it on the PC while the sd card is in a card-reader or when the device has is mounted, there the path is \Storage Card\Windows
If the device had a SIM-Lock and it rejects your SIM, go to the lokiwiz.bat (again move out all *.bin files) and select "U" for SIM Unlock - again move the bin files in the directory to a safe place (but you should never need them). Mind that the "lock_backup.bin" is just a copy of the current encrypted area in the device. So this file is different after each step you completed before. Worse: if you do not save the FIRST lock-backup.bin you can never go back to this state.
Mind that lokiwiz.bat has worked for me on a Telenor Sim-Locked nordic ROM CID-locked QTEK 8310, so it should work for any other device as well. If you get the dreaded "Data Crashes..." message and your restore of the correct lock-backup.bin did not help either - your last resort is the SIM Unlock service here: http://imei-check.co.uk/c600_unlock.php. It costs you some bucks, but they seem to re-create the encrypted area with the matching IMEI of your device putting it in a SIM-unlocked and CID Unlocked state. Cheaper than buying a new device.
After you have sucessfully flashed your ROM - maybe you try cooking one yourself?
The selected default settings fill the ROM up to the last few hundred bytes. Adding options will surely jump over the next MB border and your ROM uploading preparations will have to format BINFS with a larger size.
If you have not read it elsewhere yet, the standard sequence to uplad a ROM is:
1.) cook ROM (OS part)
2.) determine size and format BINFS accordingly
more see this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3439787&postcount=1
3.) upload ROM
If you start from scratch - so your device is still "untouched" by any custom ROM, you must prepare your device to allow the loading of a custom ROM. This happens in several steps to overcome the various security levels that try to prevent this:
Application unlock the current operating system. Look for "SDA Application unlock" this runs on the PC and remotely unlocks (via the Active Sync Connection) the security of the Windows Mobile operating system. This allows tools to run that you need for the next step.
Super-CID your device (and check if it worked!). Look for "lokiwiz" ZIP file in the forum here. Despite orginally created for the "Wizard" model, it also works for the Tornado in all respect, so it does the Super-CID and it does the SIM Unlock. I did it myself on a QTEK 8310 with a Nordic ROM and SIM-locked to Telnor.
To check if it worked, connect the device in Bootloader mode to the terminal program and enter "info 2" (without the quotes). It has to show HTCSSuperCID ' HTCE
Do not care about SIM lock yet, you can do that anytime later if necessary.
Good luck!
Thanks!
Thanks a lot. Nice work. Very useful. Could you please post one with a PRO rom, preferably the 6.5 version? Or at least the guidelines to make one?
I will not cook any further - this is why I released the kitchen. The strategies to save space are outlined in detail, so other cooks can take them and incorporate to their ROMs.
For me WM6 is sufficient - I don't need the "goodies" that came after that.
Thanks!
Oh fine. Thanks anyway. What is the perceived space saved from this method? And is there any performance hit?
I've seen that UPX'ing has a lot of performance boost so I'm wondering whether it can be made only to the packages or is it applicable to the exe's and large dll's from the CABs too. Since there are a few applications, which even when added later, install to the device memory directly. In these cases, UPX'ing might be highly beneficial in reducing the size as well as giving a speed boost. Any info on this?
Well, indeed you may think that UPX-ing will decrease performance as the file must be decompressed before running - but the opposite is the case!
you save space (most if installed, a little if in ROM - due to BINFS compression that is there anyway)
you get faster file-read time: This pays for especially well for large files (opera, office, acrobat, TomTom and alike). This will by far gain more than you loose for decompression (which goes directly to memory).
Looking at usual read-speeds of about 1MB/sec and an assumed 10 times faster decompression speed to memory, my feeling is that for speed reasons it will pay best for LARGE files (card and memory installed). Mind that after the file is read and loaded to memory, still the application needs to initialize itself. The last step is the same, no matter if UPX-ed or not.
If you tweak the bits for memory saving on the device it is no harm for anything smaller as well. Usually I stop UPX-ing below 50kB in size, but to have the ROM fit in the MB-frame I wanted to achieve I also had to UPX some smaller files as well. Just compare the directories of Nitrogenious' kitchen release and mine.
Hi,
Thanks for kitchen !
Sorry, I'm a novice in ROM cooking (I just modified a bit a ROM for my HTC Touch, long time ago, but I got no problem with flashing ROMS on HTC devices )
So I got a few questions/remarks.
1. I tried to build a custom ROM, but I got an error after selecting options.
I checked log file (a:\Torn\WORK\temp\log.txt) and I found following message :
Failed to parse value name HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\hejhej.org\moBlue!!!
InitRegistry FAILED in file ".\Registry\37771312-772c-4ff9-a0a1-b555ad54a025.rgu" within a few lines of line 10.
ImportFromPackageListStrict: (RGUComp) !ERROR failed importing ".\Registry\37771312-772c-4ff9-a0a1-b555ad54a025.rgu"
wmain: (RGUComp) !ERROR failed building DEFAULT hives
If I uncheck "MoBlue", all is OK, so I think MoBlue package is corrupt.
2. When building with default option, what values to put in nb2nbf (CID and start address) ?
I used same as http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2150690&postcount=1 (82040000 for start adress and ORG_0401 for CID)
Is this OK?
(my phone is an Orange SPV600, CID unlocked, so I think I can put any value for CID)
3. I didn't really understand how to change ROM size. I checked your thread, but I'm still in the dark.
In nb2nbf, in size column, I got "33357824" = "0x13E20248".
So I used "format BINFS 014000000". Is the the way to go ?
Thanks for answers.
Answers!
1. Even I'm unsure about that.
2. Yes. Just select the OS option and it will fill the address by itself.
3. Yes. That is the method I follow. AFAIK, convert the bytes into it's hex equivalent and choose the nearest <higher> hex number with 5 0's at last.
And from what I understand from his post, if you have a ROM with 29.1 mb size, either reduce it to (29 mb - 64k) or add some apps and increase it to (30mb - 64k), to make the optimum use of the available space.
Hi AlainL,
...will have to look after the moblue part - strange, possibly the wrong format of the file (not unicode stored). The content should be ok. I fixed it after updating from the old moBlue inside the old kitchen to the 2.1 version copying the Registry content of the moBlue branch.
Regarding the address it is easy: when you select "OS" and click in the address field, the address is selected automatically - this is the right one.
Your assumption on the format BINFS <size> is correct. This is the way to format it. But your calculation is wrong. The Hex size of your value is 1FD0000 and thus you have to format with 2000000 or your device will not boot after flashing.
The solution to the moBlue problem in the .rgu is very easy.
Edit the .rgu file and add a blank line at the end - that's all.
Editing .rgu files
Just to be on the safer side:
Don't forget to save it in the Unicode format too. Turn off word wrapping while editing .rgu files.
They are all unicode - so if you edit with notepad it should keep this format.
Special attention is required when adding "Multistring" values to the registry. The can be imported as hex - and this hex code must be in unicode format, so 2 bytes per character.
So when exporting the values from the registry to add them to an .rgu package you must take care of this. Took me some tries until I had the .NET CF 3.5 with separated GAC_* package running.
tobbbie said:
Your assumption on the format BINFS <size> is correct. This is the way to format it. But your calculation is wrong. The Hex size of your value is 1FD0000 and thus you have to format with 2000000 or your device will not boot after flashing.
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Hi
Thanks all for your answers.
I used the right number.
I just made an error while writing in this thread ("0x13E20248" = "333578824").
This cooking works very well.
I just got a problem, maybe someone can help me.
I added Esmertec Java and installed opera mini 4.2, opera mini 5 beta 2 (latest) and opera mobile 10 beta 2 (latest too).
All is OK with 4.2, but with 5b2 and 10b2, I can't pass license agreement screen, because I can't click on "Accept" button (nor "exit" one), neither with left or right menu button or with cursor.
I thinks it's Opera's fault, but if anyone got a suggestion ...
Finally, I got a question :
Now, I'm using a SPV C600 (Orange), and it doesn't have WiFi.
I plan to buy either a XPA1240 or Qtek 8310 (used, quite cheap), but I need to know if WPA is supported.
I can't check by myself, cause every time I try something related to WiFi, I end with an error "Driver not loaded".
I do not cook java in the device but have it installed on SD card - along with the midlets it will take later. The package I use is called "JBEDROSE" (20080813.2.1) and comes from the Vox forum. I have no problems using later versions of Opera there (including 5ß2). I suspect the accept requires a network connection to the opera server (WIFI or AS), so maybe this is your problem?
The WLAN support WEP, WPA, WPA2 and should also cover hidden SSIDs (but I don't use it). The Reg-Tweak "optimal performance for WLAN" is actually putting the WLAN in a mode that will NOT do continuous transmission (and drain your battery real fast - like in WM5) but in a mode that saves battery without affecting performance.
The prices for used 1240 or 8310 are rising at ebay currently
tobbbie said:
I do not cook java in the device but have it installed on SD card - along with the midlets it will take later. The package I use is called "JBEDROSE" (20080813.2.1) and comes from the Vox forum. I have no problems using later versions of Opera there (including 5ß2). I suspect the accept requires a network connection to the opera server (WIFI or AS), so maybe this is your problem?
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I tied both with AS or via EDGE/GPRS connected (when loading EULA, netwok is required).
It looks like Opera 5b2 and 10b2 didn't recognized both menu button.
I will still do some tests.
tobbbie said:
The WLAN support WEP, WPA, WPA2 and should also cover hidden SSIDs (but I don't use it). The Reg-Tweak "optimal performance for WLAN" is actually putting the WLAN in a mode that will NOT do continuous transmission (and drain your battery real fast - like in WM5) but in a mode that saves battery without affecting performance.
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Thanks, great
tobbbie said:
The prices for used 1240 or 8310 are rising at ebay currently
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Because of your excellenet kitchen ?
Opera 5ß2 works on my Jbed (non cooked as I wrote). The opera 10ß2 is native WM - but said to not support smartphones (non-touchscreen) well, so I stick with Opera-mini for the occasional browsing I do there.
Now the default settings are contained in a ready cooked ROM - enjoy!
Appended to the first post:
added 20100314: (edited 20100504)
Despite it is really extremely easy to cook your own ROM with the kitchen, let me give you a head start with your old Tornado. I have cooked the default settings to a ROM and added all tools that you need to step from a stock Tornado to the cooked one in a single archive.
Download it from here: http://www.mediafire.com/file/njm040ttoxm/_tobbbie-tornado-WM6(SDHC-NetCF_on_SD).exe
Unpacking it you will find a directory structure:
Code:
_tobbbie-tornado-WM6(SDHC-NetCF_on_SD)
├───1 prepare security
│ ├───1 HTCUnlock
│ └───2 SDA_ApplicationUnlock
├───2 prepare for custom flash
│ └───Utils
├───3 flash latest Radio and SPL
├───4 format BINFS 1b00000
├───5 flash ROM
└───6 copy NetCF to SD
└───Windows
Follow the actions in the directories one-by-one:
You only need to do steps 1 and 3 if you come from an official ROM but Step 2 (lokiwiz) needs only be done once per device.
If you flash another cooked ROM you can start from step 4.
Attention: In case you did not notice yet - the following procedures will completely erase all content that you stored on the device (email, SMS, MMS, ToDo, Contacts - simply everything) - the device will be as if it comes out of the box. So back up your data before you do this!
Here is what to do in detail, how and why:
Prepare security: This means that the restrictive program execution privileges have to be set less firm to allow step 2 to run later.
Connect your Tornado to the PC and let Active Sync connect. First run HTCUnlock-CVS.exe in the directory 1 HTCUnlock. This will install a program on your device. Run the installed program there and restart the device.
After the device has reconnected to Active Sync, on the PC run the program SDA_ApplicationUnlock.exe in the folder 2 SDA_ApplicationUnlock. It should confirm "succesfully unlocked".
Now the device is ready to receive the "SuperCID" that allows to flash any ROM to it, regardless of Operator or Vendor limitations. To be on the safe side later, please enter on the device *#06# and note down the IMEI that the device reports - you will need it later.
This needs only be done once per device - it is a permanent setting that survives all ROM updates.
Go to the folder 2 prepare for custom flash and
make sure there are no files *.bin left from previous device's activities
then execute Lokiwiz.bat. It will prompt you with 4 options:
Code:
U. Unlock
L. Lock
C. CID Unlock (SuperCID)
Q. Quit
--------------------
Type the letter and press Enter:
Input "C" <enter>.
It will copy a program (itsutils) to the device and it should ask you for permission to execute - grant execution and let the batch file continue. You should find 2 new files beside the Lokiwiz.bat (lock-backup.bin and cid-unlocked.bin). Move them to a safe place immediately and do not repeat the procedure or call another option!
Be careful to label these files unambigously (best is to append the device's IMEI to the name - get it with *#06# before and do not use the IMEI printed on the label of the device - as restoring a wrong *.bin file to a device will kill the GSM radio access (Message: Data Crashes, please contact your... when trying to connect to the network with a SIM card inserted).
Now the device is prepared to receive custom ROMs.
Let's first put the last available Radio ROM and SPL (Secondary Program Loader) to the device. Go to the directory 3 flash latest Radio and SPL and execute ROMUpdateUtility.exe. After successfull update the device will restart in the old OS, nothing has visibly changed - you could still use the device as it is, all your data are still there.
Now the preparations start to erase the old OS and flash the new one.
Deactivate USB connections for the Active Sync
Switch off the device and disconnect from USB
Press Camera Key and keep it pushed down while connecting the USB cable to the PC - wait until the 3-color screen appears and release the camera key.
Start ttermpro.exe in directory 4 format BINFS 1b00000
Select Serial and Port USB
Press <enter> in the terminal window, you should get prompt CMD>
enter info 2 <enter> you should see something like:
Code:
Cmd>info 2
GetDeviceInfo=0x00000002
+ SD Controller init
- SD Controller init
+StorageInit
CMD55 failed
+ SD Controller init
- SD Controller init
+StorageInit
CMD55 failed
HTCSSuperCID ' HTCE
Cmd>
The last line must show HTCSSuperCID ' HTCE.
If you see anything else there (e.g. HTCSVODA0504 㱍dHTCE - which is for an Austrian V1240) the lokiwiz in step 2 above did not work correctly. Still you have not destroyed anything (hopefully) - so to get the old OS start up again, enter ResetDevice <enter> - the device will restart and boot again. Think about what went wrong in the previous steps.
The lokiwiz batch file and the tools behind it are very powerful and can kill the GSM radio access of the device. Be careful with the *.bin files and keep those of different devices clearly apart.
In case you see HTCSSuperCID ' HTCE then you can pass the point of no return (after this the OS and all your data are deleted from the device) and enter at the prompt format BINFS 1b00000 <enter>. (The value 1b00000 depends on the ROM size, so if you use a different ROM, the value may also be different.) After a few seconds the prompt returns and the partition where the OS was stored is cleaned up now. The device will not boot beyond the 3-color screen in this state. You need to flash the new OS in the next step - but before this enter ResetDevice <enter> - the device will restart and return to the 3-color screen.
Terminate the tterm.exe, you will not need it any further.
Re-activate USB connections in Active Sync - you may forget it later.
Enter the directory 5 flash ROM and execute ROMUpdateUtility.exe. The procedure looks the same as in step 3 but takes a little longer. Do not get nervous as the time at 100% extends a few minutes. The device will reboot and bring you to the new OS.
The SD card that shall be used in the device needs to have the NetCF 3.5 files copied to the directory \Windows finally. This is NOT on the device but on the card - you can copy it on the PC while the sd card is in a card-reader or when the device has is mounted, there the path is \Storage Card\Windows
If the device had a SIM-Lock and it rejects your SIM, go to the lokiwiz.bat (again move out all *.bin files) and select "U" for SIM Unlock - again move the bin files in the directory to a safe place (but you should never need them). Mind that the "lock_backup.bin" is just a copy of the current encrypted area in the device. So this file is different after each step you completed before. Worse: if you do not save the FIRST lock-backup.bin you can never go back to this state.
Mind that lokiwiz.bat has worked for me on a Telenor Sim-Locked nordic ROM CID-locked QTEK 8310, so it should work for any other device as well. If you get the dreaded "Data Crashes..." message and your restore of the correct lock-backup.bin did not help either - your last resort is the SIM Unlock service here: http://imei-check.co.uk/c600_unlock.php. It costs you some bucks, but they seem to re-create the encrypted area with the matching IMEI of your device putting it in a SIM-unlocked and CID Unlocked state. Cheaper than buying a new device.
After you have sucessfully flashed your ROM - maybe you try cooking one yourself?
Some updates to the guideline for flashing in the previous and the first post.
be careful with lokiwiz (several hints added)
last resort if you fail to superCID the device: http://imei-check.co.uk/c600_unlock.php
Enjoy - there is no real successor of the Tornado
Thank you for this. I updated my phone because the previous rom was slow and flawed as I discovered. Phone is working great now.

WM 6 dual language (ENG/GER) Tornado kitchen with SDHC + 28/25MB total/avail storage

Finally the long promised kitchen with dual language support (English/German) for the Tornado. It benefits from the experience I made with creating the Hurricane kitchen and is a merge from the (unpublished) bi-lingual older Tornado Kitchen and the one for Hurricane. It is still the same old OS Version as in my previous kitchen (and the one from NitroGenious) - but some things have improved:
put the kitchen anywhere in the path, no fixed path needed
support for German language in all system menus and applications, including all tweaks and OEM applications (as far as available).
full Direct 3D support (TI drivers work in this ROM)
full support for all 4 key devices and WMP with selectable keyboard driver
still memory tweaked as in the previous kitchen, but some files have been re-compressed without icon compression - to speed up explorer icon access.
The related batch for the _squeezer (UPX) was improved.
quirks left from previous kitchen have been resolved
some more tweaks
reorganized the OEM and SYS folder to have only true generic OS parts in the SYS folder - this should ease future OS porting
For the basic instructions and explanations, please read the older Tornado Kitchen threads my previous Tornado Kitchen and NitroGenious Tornado Kitchen.
For preparing yourself about what cooking is and get started with understanding what you do, look at my Beginners Guide to Windows Mobile (prepare for cooking).
The needed files are shared at mediafire. Make sure to push the "(i) Details" button on top of the list.
You also find a pre-cooked ROM with common content (e.g. NetCF 3.5), so you may want to try that before cooking yourself. Don't forget to format the BINFS correctly before loading the new OS.
The history is:
- Nitrogen Kitchen
- my older Tornado Kitchen
- my Hurricane Kitchen
- this kitchen
Future may be:
- Tornado cooking based on OSBuilder
- Typhoon cooking based on OSBuilder
- mind that Hurricane will not cook with OSBuilder
The ready-made ROM is shared at the same folder as the kitchen. To get a quick start you have to:
For a device that has never seen a custom ROM, download the file "tobbbie_prepare-flashing-(one-time-per-device).zip", unpack it to any folder and find the tools needed for accepting custom ROMs.
For an already Super-CID device, get the file "tobbbie_nk-default-eng_ger-corrected_WM6.zip", unpack it in the same folder as the other zip. Then:
Run "1 as.exe" and kill active Sync
Remove a memory card from the device if there is any inside.
Put the device in bootloader mode (switch off, then press and hold camera key while connecting USB) and connect to the PC
Run "2 mtty...exe" on the PC - you should see a "USB" button on the right of the pop-up coming after some time, press that. In the terminal window press enter to get a prompt. If the USB button is not there, make sure Active Sync is not running.
Enter "info 2" (no quotes) and press enter, you see some lines of feedback, there must be something with "HTC Super CID"
Enter "format BINFS 1c00000" (no quotes), enter - wait for completion
Enter "ResetDevice" (no quotes, UPPER and lowercase exactly as given)
Wait for reboot of device, you get the device in 3 color screen now again
close the terminal window (Ctrl-F4) or the whole mtty (Alt-F4)
Start "3 ROMUpdateUtility.exe" and follow instructions
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I don't understand how to let work the german language on my phone. i download 3 package but i don't know how to begin.
Hm... seems like you have no background on mobile phones ROM update?
The reasons what to do and how to do it are explicitly described in my first kitchen thread in the first post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5386878&postcount=1
Sequence is:
prepare the device that the current OS allows access to system resources that allow later to open the door for cooked ROMs (application unlock)
open the door for cooked ROMs (Super CID) -> this is permanent for this device
flash new ROM (can be any cooked ROM).
If you want the German ROM you find the .nbf file in the mediafire share listed in the first post of this thread.
Please report on your:
device:
actions done so far including results of each step
Hello,
but i do already all this steps with success and my phone works but only with english language.
i also load the german nbf file but its remain only the english language. in in the mediafire share listed, are so many files. What i need exactly? probaly i try it with the wrong file.
p.s. Sorry for my bad english. Im german
Then you are at 95% and miss the simple device configuration, go to:
Start: Settings
-> Regional Settings
--> Language: Deutsch
--> Locale: German (Germany)
There (if you like):
--> Long Date style: middle option (I patched the NLS for this to be available)
You get 2 infos to restart the device (for Language and for Locale), confirm with OK.
Then leave the settings with "Done".
Now press short power: select "Reboot"
Now you have set the device to German.
For Certain applications you may have to do the setting to German within the application, e.g. in CE-Commander - some do not have the option to switch to German.
I also do this. If i go to settings, i can only select the english language and not the German.
In Locale i can select Germany.
p.s. i used this file: tobbbie_nk-default-eng_ger_WM6.nbf
You have to load the correct .nbf file!
The folder where the romupdateutility.exe is located must only have ONE .nbf file contained, otherwise you cannot predict which will be loaded. Look up the first post in this thread for the right file.
Most probably you loaded the .nbf from the first released plain English ROM.
To load a new ROM you must:
1.) format BINFS <right size>, for the ROM located as listed it is "format BINFS 1c00000"
2.) ResetDevice -> Bootloader
3.) rumupdate... with right .nbf
CID Unlock is permanent, latest SPL and Radio as well - no need to repeat any of these actions.
All details are listed in the relevant ROM threads.
Sorry but i don't understand which right file you mean.
The needed files are shared at mediafire? There are 5 files with many folder.
please have patience with me
You managed to load the pure English ROM - that is a start and you seem to have succeeded with most tasks:
- CID Unlock is done: otherwise you would not be able to load a cooked ROM
- WM6 ROM is loaded: only English as Language Selection
You now only need to re-do the tasks to format the BINFS and then load the ROM to the device. In the FLASH folder you should delete the old .nbf file and replace it with the one in the ZIP here: http://www.mediafire.com/?vdsgjg13v9cfnsj.
Please look up post 2: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13176294&postcount=2
I have simplified some things and also corrected a minor bug in the ROM and kitchen that had the backlight stay on while mediaplayer was on playback.
great job, mate!
until here:
# Run "1 as.exe" and kill active Sync
# Put the device in bootloader mode (switch off, then press and hold camera key while connecting USB) and connect to the PC
# Run "2 mtty...exe" on the PC - you should see a "USB" button on the right of the pop-up coming after some time, press that. In the terminal window press enter to get a prompt. If the USB button is not there, make sure Active Sync is not running.
# Enter "info 2" (no quotes) and press enter, you see some lines of feedback, there must be something with "HTC Super CID".
everything ok.
in the windows appears:
Cmd>info 2
GetDeviceInfo=0x00000002
+ SD Controller init
- SD Controller init
+StorageInit
***** user area size = 0x3C8C0000 Bytes
HTCSSuperCID ' HTCE
But if i enter "format BINFS 1c00000" without quote, i have no completion.
cmd>format BINFS 1c00000
or i enter ResetDevice, my device dont reset.
What the error?
Remove the memory card from the device and then re-do the action.
You have a card of 1 GB in the device - you can find it here:
+StorageInit
***** user area size = 0x3C8C0000 Bytes
The device must not have a memory card inserted while doing these things.
I remove the memory card but i have the same problem:
Cmd>info 2
GetDeviceInfo=0x00000002
+ SD Controller init
- SD Controller init
+StorageInit
CMD55 failed
+ SD Controller init
- SD Controller init
+StorageInit
CMD55 failed
HTCSSuperCID ' HTCE
Cmd>format BINFS 1c00000
Cmd>ResetDevice
Cmd>
This is weird - what device do you have?
Did you update your SPL and Radio to the latest versions (as advised in the "...one time per device" ZIP)? What is the SPL Version on your device?
If i put the device in bootloader mode, there stand in the red color: Tornado IPL 2.00, Tornado SPL 2.00.0014. In the green color Tornado IU.
This is ok - as it should be for IPL and SPL. Now check the following while in bootloader mode connected to mtty:
try to enter just "format BINFS" <enter>
What is the result (should be ok after a short while)?
enter "format BINFS 123" <enter>
What is the result (should be an advice on the valid values as 123 is not a valid one)?
If the first one works, but the second does not, you can still load the ROM, however the free storage space (for installing programs) will be less than what it could be.
Again for curiosity: which Tornado device is that (O2 XDA phone or Qtek 8310)?
Hello,
this is the result:
Cmd>format BINFS
Cmd>format BINFS 123
Cmd>
i have a O2 XDA
thank you for the help

.net 3.5 installation

I can't install .net framework 3.5 on my dell laptop..i've tried all the steps in google....using group policy editor....by enabling it on program and features ....by offline installation...by uninstalling security updates....also by using dism command....while using dism command it says log file not found...but when i go through the path its there..~! For offline installation i have not found sources/sxs/ folder on my C: drive.....my laptop is 64bit 8.1 pro ...i'm behind this for almost 1 month...!
Note: while installing most of the pc says "install this feature" but mine says " download and install this feature"
When i connect to internet its not downloading anything...!
Hello mate, this link may be useful. Btw if it is enabled in program features already that means you already have it installed 0_0.

Newbie - No Chroot on Nexus 5 Installation

New User, so apologies if this post is in the incorrect format :fingers-crossed:
Sorry if TL,DR: but the more information on my issue I give you the less chance your advice encounters any variables.
Recently got into ethical Hacking / pentesting.
Wanting to use a nethunter ROM on my Nexus 5 so when I inevitably break something its replaceable and not my gaming rig.
I did the following:
- Installed Nexus Root Toolkit on my laptop.
-Unlocked the boot loader from this first.
-Then installed Root Permissions and TWRP
These initial steps seemed to have worked.
Boot loader marked as unlocked, SU app installed upon booting new ROM, checks as rooted, and TWRP was being interacted with on the next step.
I then selected the 'advanced' menu in the Nexus Root Toolkit.
And flashed the .zip file for the hammerhead nethunter build version 3.0
There was advice to do several things during this step which I have ignored due to not understanding the process.
- installing gapps. I believe the gapps version for hammerhead is 6.0 however it's listed purpose was to allow access to Google play apps which I have so I discarded this step.
- installing over cryogenmod 14.1 as my Android build is marshmallow 6.0.1. This is the advice I received on the official Kali site, that Nethunter was designed to be used over CM, and perhaps my issue as I flashed it over the stock OS for the phone.
Once the nethunter zip file was flashed through the root Toolkit, I rebooted my phone and logged on. After the initial setup I had all of the applications and the background for the KL Nethunter build, however I encounter a major issue trying to set them up.
When I go to set up the Chroot. I select download option, and then "full Chroot install".
I am then prompted with a message saying bad handshake / server error and I am unable to get past this stage.
The error message is " javax.net.sslSSL handshake exception" no valid pins found in chain.
I am not using a mobile carrier only Wi-Fi.
This is killing me because obviously it means I basically don't have nethunter lmao :laugh: really not funny but any human input you guys can offer with this challenge would be immensely appreciated. I want to begin hooking this up to a TP Link Wi-Fi receiver and I'm extremely demoralised by the fact I can't complete what is essentially " the easy bit ".
Disclaimer - I will follow any suggested links to the letter but for the record. I have combed YouTube. Google. XDA and several other sources for a fix to this. I am aware I need a Kali " arm-hf" file however can't find a repository for such a download or I would download it to the Sd and try to mount it manually!
I just pretty much completed the same process on my nexus 7 (2012) which resulted in me being stuck at the same point. Doing a search has lead me here for possible resolution to our issues.
"The error message is " javax.net.sslSSL handshake exception" no valid pins found in chain."
UPDATE:
I was able to locate the file within the zip file we had flashed to install kali.
Full path was /data/local/kalifs-full.tar.xz
I manually extracted and copied to /emulated/sdcard and ran the chroot wizard and chose to install from sd, it's extracting now.
I'll update once extraction has completed (this tablet has the slowest writes, ever..)
Here is the link to kali chroot.
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I just pretty much completed the same process on my nexus 7 (2012) which resulted in me being stuck at the same point. Doing a search has lead me here for possible resolution to our issues.
"The error message is " javax.net.sslSSL handshake exception" no valid pins found in chain."
UPDATE:
I was able to locate the file within the zip file we had flashed to install kali.
Full path was /data/local/kalifs-full.tar.xz
I manually extracted and copied to /emulated/sdcard and ran the chroot wizard and chose to install from sd, it's extracting now.
I'll update once extraction has completed (this tablet has the slowest writes, ever..)
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build.nethunter.com/kalifs/kalifs-latest/kalifs-i386-full.tar.xz
I see they dropped support for the nexus 7 2012, likely due to lack of space. I was able to get a full extract done, but hope enough info has been relayed to get you and anyone else past the error we had received. If I pick up where I left off, I'll try to provide an update on this, tabled for now.

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