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Confusion about ROM versions

Hey,
Sorry for the stupid question, but I just can't find the info I'm looking for. I've checked the wiki and a lot of threads here but can't figure it out.
The wiki links to the FTP to show two ROMs I could download, but doesn't explain anything about them.
RUU_Prophet_2090724_20907106_020720_QtekWWE_Ship.exe
RUU_Prophet_220734_2207114_024721_QtekWWE_Ship.exe
Am I right to guess that the first one is a very old version and the second one is the latest? If the second one is the latest, is it not available at clubimate just because clubimate is out of date? Also, shayd linked to JAMin_WWE_213923_2139123_022021_ship.zip in a recent thread saying it's the latest official. If the ones in the wiki aren't official, what are they?
I'm currently running 2.13.9.23 on a G4 JAMin. This is what I put on from clubimate not long after I got the phone.
Also, I've looked at a few of the custom ROMs floating around here and they're interesting. However, I know that I don't know enough about this to just try upgrading to one, for fear of bricking my phone. Is there a recommended one, and would it void my warranty?
Thanks, and sorry again for the stupid questions.

As you probably know by now, the HTC prophet is sold (among others) by Qtek as S200 and by imate as Jamin. Hardware is identical so ROMS are compatible too. What you found on ftp are official ROMS by Qtek (ver 2.09 and ver 2.2).
Imate's latest version is 2.13, which is what you have installed at the moment.
Dopod's latest version is 2.15, while Qtek's latest version is 2.2. They're all official ROMS and will work on your device providing it's CID unlocked (search forum for CID unlocking). Just FYI, CID locking is used to prevent you from loading other carrier's ROMs.
Regarding customised ROMS, yes they're interesting but unfortunately they all have bugs.

Qtek's latest version 2.2
kta said:
As you probably know by now, the HTC prophet is sold (among others) by Qtek as S200 and by imate as Jamin. Hardware is identical so ROMS are compatible too. What you found on ftp are official ROMS by Qtek (ver 2.09 and ver 2.2).
Imate's latest version is 2.13, which is what you have installed at the moment.
Dopod's latest version is 2.15, while Qtek's latest version is 2.2. They're all official ROMS and will work on your device providing it's CID unlocked (search forum for CID unlocking). Just FYI, CID locking is used to prevent you from loading other carrier's ROMs.
Regarding customised ROMS, yes they're interesting but unfortunately they all have bugs.
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Thus meaning that, as I have an Imate JAMin, I could install Qtek's latest version 2.2 and it would be OK? Where do I find that??? Thanks in advance.

Thanks kta.
When i-mate's v2.13 is compared to the qtek v2.2, are those numbers relative to each other, or just arbitrary? I'm asking so that I can figure out if 2.2 is actually better than 2.13.
Also, am I right to assume that if my phone died while qtek's 2.2 rom was on there, my warranty would be void?
cheers,
James

aaasilva said:
Thus meaning that, as I have an Imate JAMin, I could install Qtek's latest version 2.2 and it would be OK? Where do I find that??? Thanks in advance.
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You will be OK if you update it with Qtek's 2.2. There is one on xda ftp here: ftp://xda:[email protected]_S200_2.20.7.34_2.47.21_2.20.7.114_WWE.zip.
To avoid the ROM update utility telling you "Wrong Country ID" or something like that, make sure you use a ROM Update Utility with No vendor Id (probably included in the zip file).

dkr said:
Thanks kta.
When i-mate's v2.13 is compared to the qtek v2.2, are those numbers relative to each other, or just arbitrary? I'm asking so that I can figure out if 2.2 is actually better than 2.13.
Also, am I right to assume that if my phone died while qtek's 2.2 rom was on there, my warranty would be void?
cheers,
James
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Hi James,
The version numbers are relative to each other and Qtek's 2.2 is a better version based on a more recent WM5 release.
Regarding warranty, well, you'd have to check what Imate's policy is. I never had an imate myself but I had a similar experience with a T-Mobile device. I sent it back for repair under warranty and it had another carrier's ROM and they didn't complain. But Imate's policies could be different.

Thanks heaps kta. Very informative. I'll contact i-mate.

Quick question...
Does anyone know if qtek's 2.2 ROM has the laggy SIP switch popup issue?

Official Htc Rom Wm 6.1 In At&t Tilt

Hi
The first excuseme for my bad English, I'm Spanish.
I bought an AT & T Tilt 110 in the USA and I want to know whether there was any problem when I install the official ROM HTC with WM 6.1. Can we recommend this or any other?
Thanks

camlost said:
Hi
The first excuseme for my bad English, I'm Spanish.
I bought an AT & T Tilt 110 in the USA and I want to know whether there was any problem when I install the official ROM HTC with WM 6.1. Can we recommend this or any other?
Thanks
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Where did u get the wm 6.1 from ?
is it better what diff u find in it ?
thxs

Looks like this is it...read a few posts in though. Looks like there is some stalling on the customization and any network configs you have to do.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=365047

Thats the official release. Our cooks posted their own recipe, using the official release as the base.

I wouldn't use it. Lots of issues.

And what used?
Thanks

There is nothing "OFFICIAL" about that (or any other "official" relase) YET.
I am not saying that there never will be, but the ones here that say OFFICIAL are NOT official.
If they WERE official, why would HTC or ATT or any other company make you use HardSPL? And why wouldn't they give HardSPL to you when they gave you the OFFICIAL ROM?
Can you IMAGINE the support requests with an official ROM that was missing the biggest element? The element being a way to INSTALL the ROM?
Think about it.

grizzley said:
There is nothing "OFFICIAL" about that (or any other "official" relase) YET.
I am not saying that there never will be, but the ones here that say OFFICIAL are NOT official.
If they WERE official, why would HTC or ATT or any other company make you use HardSPL? And why wouldn't they give HardSPL to you when they gave you the OFFICIAL ROM?
Can you IMAGINE the support requests with an official ROM that was missing the biggest element? The element being a way to INSTALL the ROM?
Think about it.
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So should just wait till At&t gives a Update ?
which will be safe but like always
wonder how much we will loose
cos they dont give it all
& like here U always get lots more

And without officers who are not made them? All cooking ROM them put his name right?

Where are these "official" ROMS coming from?

So i registered my TyTn II SN on the HTC e-club expecting to see ROMs for download. It properly shows my device as registered, but there are no ROMS available for download. I contacted their e-mail support and was told that "no ROMs have been relased for the TyTN II."
How can this be? From everything I am looking at here there should be at least one 6.0 ROM and one 6.1 ROM that was released by HTC??? If not, where are all these ROMs coming from?
Did I get bad info from HTC? Did they remove all their ROMS for some reason? Please help me understand.
thx.

dear friend
i understand your confused i also got it in the begining but i understode later
all those rooms are built in something you can call it beta version of windows 6.1
this is what i know about that and maybe someone else knows better and correct me if iam wrong
best regards

They are not OFFICIAL, as many people might think. They are built by cooks around here (and other places).

Keep in mind that there are also ROMS from other countries that come available then are shared.
You may have registered to HTC e-club, however, it may not show as per your location.

As I understand, the newest rom always come with the newest device come to market, htc don't update "old" devices, even there is new version rom released from microsoft. For example, kaiser was released last year, and the newest rom in the meantime was 6.0, so the kaiser came with 6.0. Even you buy your kaiser now, and the 6.1 was released by microsoft few months ago, you won't get 6.1 in your brand new kaiser.
All these new "offical" roms are released or leaked by microsoft, for newer devices, and our cookers here cook them for our kaiser and we can have chance to try new functions in these new roms.

Thanks for the reponses.
So, If i understand correctly, no one is able to Download the "official" ROM for their device from HTC directly?
I believe I can download the AT&T Tilt ROM from AT&T, but for HTC ROM every copy that exists here is from a "dump" of someone elses or a cooked version?
To start with my device i would rather use a fresh ROM and not a cooked version. How can I easily find what is the latest "Clean" dump ROM out there?
thanks!

Actually, no one is able to go to HTC's website and download an official 6.1 ROM for their Kaiser/Tilt II as they have "officially" not released it yet.
Microsoft has only just "officially" announced WM6.1 in the last week.

I dont' necessarily mean the latest as in 6.1.... I mean are there ANY officially released HTC Roms that I can use to flash my tilt and if so...where and how can I get an "official" one. Again, by official I mean not a dump or a cook.

bengalih said:
I dont' necessarily mean the latest as in 6.1.... I mean are there ANY officially released HTC Roms that I can use to flash my tilt and if so...where and how can I get an "official" one. Again, by official I mean not a dump or a cook.
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well, if youre saying "official" as in, HTC says, "hey everyone with an htc device thats running a rom not belonging to htc, here's an official release of our rom for your device" then no.
but, however, there are roms in these threads that were extracted from say the htc kaiser that is an offical htc rom, no att, just htc
if you want an "official" htc rom then you'll have to buy an unlocked device, instead of one from a particular carrier.
lollipops and redneck turkey gobblin,
duswdav

WHAT I WONDER is the wm6.1 suppose to have silverlight mobile and skype mobile and ie better featured but non of the leaked roms ever showed any of these features?

Well for instance, when I had my PPC6700 and there were issue with it, Sprint actually had me reload their ROM to try and troubleshoot.
If you buy an "unlocked" HTC with no carrier, then whose ROM does HTC expect you to use...the HTC rom that comes with the device, or another special ROM made available to the carrier? I suppose that if you buy an unlocked Kaiser (for $5-700) that there is nothing in the warranty saying you can't reflash it... therefore shouldn't HTC provide a copy of the ROM incase you need to flash it back to defaults?
thx

bengalih said:
Well for instance, when I had my PPC6700 and there were issue with it, Sprint actually had me reload their ROM to try and troubleshoot.
If you buy an "unlocked" HTC with no carrier, then whose ROM does HTC expect you to use...the HTC rom that comes with the device, or another special ROM made available to the carrier? I suppose that if you buy an unlocked Kaiser (for $5-700) that there is nothing in the warranty saying you can't reflash it... therefore shouldn't HTC provide a copy of the ROM incase you need to flash it back to defaults?
thx
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I bought a TyTn II, as well as a Wizdr before, both unlocked, and always got a CD-ROM with apps AND a restoration utility which is actualy the original ROM.
If I take a look now on the HTC e-club, my registered TyTN II has a download available, but it's from 09/2007 (and french..). So I don't even consider flashing my device with this as it would be the same as the one delivered with my phone I think.

Dredd67 said:
I bought a TyTn II, as well as a Wizdr before, both unlocked, and always got a CD-ROM with apps AND a restoration utility which is actualy the original ROM.
If I take a look now on the HTC e-club, my registered TyTN II has a download available, but it's from 09/2007 (and french..). So I don't even consider flashing my device with this as it would be the same as the one delivered with my phone I think.
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Right Dredd..that's what I am talking about.... I would think that someone who bought an unlocked one would have a CD with the "official" ROM and that HTC would also post that on e-club for registered members (in case you lost your CD)... But they don't appear to post one for download there...

Flashing an AT&T tilt with an Official HTC Rom

Hello,
I have recently bought a AT&T Tilt, and would like to flash to the current Offcial HTC WM 6.1 ROM.
I have done alot of reading in the wiki here and various FAQ threads and what not. But i am still a bit confused with a few things.
I have read the ROM Flashing faq and Intro here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=356895
And i understand all that.
I also undestand that i need the Key board fix from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334911
But thats not hard.
I went here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs
I checked my device and the rom currently on it is the AT&T WM6.0 1.57.502.2 Original Shiped Rom.
I figured, being in Australia, i would need rom that had WWE as the country? So i downloaded the "RUU_Kaiser_HTC_WWE_3.28.405.0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.16.25_Ship" rom. Is this an appropriete ROM for what i want?
BUT Its all this stuff about SPL's and what not that is confusing me.
My Tilt is SIM unlocked because i am using it on the Telstra network here in Australia. But im not sure if i have to change SPL's or not and if so, which spl i need and how to change it?
It would be greatly appreciated if someone was able to help me understand this SPL bussiness, because i really dont want to dive straight in a risk my device. I have done a fair bit of reading and i'm a fairly competent computer user so it won't take me long to learn.
Thanks in advance,
eMiller

you have to CID unlock it. this involves flashing the device with HardSPL then running a unlocker program. (this is what i know from Hermes, so i don't know if it is exactly the same on Tilt). It breaks the warranty though, so think first, then jump
by the way, you should try a cooked rom. in my experience, HTC roms are not that good, except for getting a stable radio. get the radio, then get a new OS rom, like hang.tuah or something.

warsng said:
you have to CID unlock it. this involves flashing the device with HardSPL then running a unlocker program.
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Ok thanks. Can someone please recomend the best hardSPL and unlocker program for my needs. What do other people with Tilts recomend?

here you go
eMiller12 said:
Ok thanks. Can someone please recomend the best hardSPL and unlocker program for my needs. What do other people with Tilts recomend?
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Try this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334679
Look for the Zip file at the very bottom of the screen this hard spl will let you flash any rom (follow the instructions the spl gives you exactly and dont get nervous if it appears stiuck for a bit), just make sure you know which ROM you really want to flash at the end
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Again same stuff.
Guys, when you gonna learn to read everything which is realted to your device when you want to do something?
Everything is in Wiki, everything you need is posted in ROM threads.
Come on GUYS!

read the f**** wiki. you need hardspl. its not that hard to figure out if your not an imbisel

@joel2009: That is a little harsh. Also, if you're going to call someone an imbecile, you should probably spell it right.
@eMiller12 (fellow noob): I don't know if I would bother with the HTC ROM, I just flashed it and I am finding a few really annoying bugs... Read Jocky's STICKY post about the HardSPLs to learn how to flash one. It really is quite simple--and it's unlikely that you're going to brick your device, so no worries.

Hey FireMedic, thanks for understanding.
I have read through the Wiki a fair bit, i was just unsure which versions of hardSPL etc where best for the [email protected] Tilt inparicular. But i will just use this one that vorostatz recomended if that is the best one for the tilt.

joel2009 said:
read the f**** wiki. you need hardspl. its not that hard to figure out if your not an imbisel
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We are not all senior members. I can fully understand the guys wish not to turn his expensive device into a paperweight. Ease up eh?

search forums using google (at top right)
yeah, exactly... I was pretty scared to hardspl when I first started.
Hardspl 3.29 seems to be the best one, check my signature after you've read the hardspl sticky.
From what I understand, a rom flash might try to write a different spl which is obviously bad. hardspl prevents this.
If you ever need to, you can undo it. Kyphur explains in the hardspl sticky how to change them, by running a program named jumpspl 1.56 (on your device) with your sim and sd cards out and then flashing the spl normally.
Just make sure you follow directions for your device and try different roms.
Good luck and feel free to ask questions, even if some of the people here have heard them way too often.

Special ROMs for Australia
eMiller12 said:
I checked my device and the rom currently on it is the AT&T WM6.0 1.57.502.2 Original Shiped Rom.
I figured, being in Australia, i would need rom that had WWE as the country? So i downloaded the "RUU_Kaiser_HTC_WWE_3.28.405.0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.16.25_Ship" rom. Is this an appropriete ROM for what i want?
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Actually the WWE (World Wide English) one seems to be used more in Europe and this side of the world. For down-under, they use SEA South East Asia versions. There are issues with ROM compatibility in Australia specifically (at least in the WM 6.0 days) so if you want to know the best official WM 6.0 and 6.1 ROMs, short of searching for what setups Australian xda-dev forum members are using, you could look at the devices on sale in the shops. If you're wanting WM 6.1 just to have the latest and greatest, think again and have a look at the Windows Mobile 6 vs. Windows Mobile 6.1 thread.
***Edit*** Also note that there are two Australian specific ROMs in the WM 6.0 section of the Kaiser HTC ROM wiki

Lost - Latest UK T-Mobile branded rom - help!

Can someone link me to the latest proper T-mobile UK rom please? So I can restore it all back to stock.
I need to send phone in for repair, lost where I dumped my rom. I can only find on the wicki/on here links to NL T-Mobile roms.
T-Mobile site has nothing for the mdaIII (kaiser).
Much appreciated,
Greg.

Failing that - anyone got a T-Mobile UK rom they dumped from their own phone?
Greg.

Found this on Google. If it's what your after, can you let us know and someone (or you) will upload it and update the wiki.
http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/htc-kaiser/14652-vario-3-rom-please.html
Ta
Dave

What about http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1586817&postcount=2 (6th one down i think) taken from the FAQ, Wiki, Stickies & Tutorials thread? is that one not any good?
paradoox

Paradoox - it might be, thankyou. But it is listed as OS Only Big Storage - I presume this isn't how T-mobile shipped my Kaiser. The other one DaveShaw is listed as OS only so I presume it won't put my radio/splash back etc, like the one above.
Are either any use do you think if I want to put my Kaiser back exactly as it was out the box?
Greg.

hiya,
iv flashed the reconstructed rom iv refered to before, and it works fine, the original tmobile splash screen is here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=374190 (post 5). im supposing you know how to flash it
in regards to the original radio, i honestly cant remember what it was. check out the kaiser ultimate radio thread, if i find out, il let you know.
paradoox
p.s the rom is reconstructed but as far as im aware its exactly the same as a normal release rom, its just someone has taken the tmobile uk operating system end product from a kaiser and made it into a rom as it has not been officially released. it flashes in exactly the same way as you'd flash anything else.

i have sent mine back one with a duttys rom on it, the technical support are that stupid they probably dont even know that flashing software on the device is even possible
i would say as long as u have the tmobile splash rom on it and 6.0, they wont even know the difference

Hy
sorry from my bad english....
I buyed an orange kaiser and would like to unlock it and put on a 6.1 clean microsoft virgin rom
ye I read almost all the wiki and newbs stickies and I'm goin to follow this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=433835
the only problem now is getting the rom I like..
saw here the list of roms to download
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs
but for the UK model ( and keyboard ) I just saw the orange, o2 or vodafone one and not the "virgin htc official don't know wha else" one...
can somebody suggest me wich rom should download from there?
thanks everybody sorry for writing here just wonted not to open a new thread ( found it superfunny and superclear http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting )