http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/11/htc-advantage-x7510-now-upgraded-with-16gb-flash-memory/
16GB flash(!); WM6.1 and new keyboard, this baby looks great.
Alas, those magnets are still there
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Luckily is a magnetic keyboard, which means I can still carry without it.
Noticed that the Internet browser button is no longer there? ALso, no joyce stick, ok button, and window buttons.
Yeh... dedicated row of number keys!
2 extra keys per row. This will be challenging to use. No keys for the corresponding soft keys. No more special keys for phones. Looks like a keyboard meant for input only, which is probably a good use of the keyboard space. I'm disappointed that lettter Z is still one character too right. Z should have been directly below the letter A, as is the case with standard keyboard. Should have made the left shift smaller and shift the whole row left by one key.
But the biggest questions are, any vibrating motor (sincere there is no more microdrive) and embedded earpiece?
Anyone care to comment on the google maps, tomtom included, and the video performance relative to the x7500/7501??
I think it looks tasty! The keyboard still looks useless...
I quite like the newer look, pity that there's no okay button I tend to use that quite a lot.
as the camera button is now on the front I wonder what the one on the top right is? seems daft to duplicate it.
Wonder if it would be possible to get the new athena keybaord to the old athena.
fards said:
I quite like the newer look, pity that there's no okay button I tend to use that quite a lot.
as the camera button is now on the front I wonder what the one on the top right is? seems daft to duplicate it.
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I think that's the voice recorder/com manager. They just shift it to the top.
I also use the ok button quite a bit to minimise application. For example, after a phone call, I press ok to hide it.
Looks nice - but evolution rather than revolution, I want one. Just not enough to make me fork out what it will cost.
How am I supposed to control my music player without the joystick and action button? Now I use it to volume up, volume down, next song, previous song, and off the screen. I also use OK button to bring up the playlist, and browser button to pause/play. With these buttons all gone now, playing music without switching on the screen would be a problem.
So much for the next version being the Next Big Thing. Loosing the joystick and half of the programmable buttons was a bad choice. No mention of vibrate, or gaining a private earpiece, either. No wider+narrow screen and form factor to make it more phone-like with more screen space. That membrane keyboard is going to suck, too. Anyone remember the Atari 400? There's a reason the Atari 800 was much more popular and so many aftermarket keyboards came out for the 400...
Next.
The new full keyboard looks like an improvement. Typing text with numbers or special character is now a nightmare on the advantage.
On the other hand, it looks like the little transparent strip at the back of the keyboard is now solid black. I kinda enjoy the fact that I can see who calls me with the keyboard attached.
Looks like the cut a lot of features from th Advantage where I don't even see what the point could be of losing them. How much space is that going to bring them and why would they need to save space on a device that's basically the same with only a bit of extra flash memory?
kdskamal said:
Alas, those magnets are still there
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What did you expect? Snaps? Double sided sticky tape?
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What did you expect? Snaps? Double sided sticky tape?
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On a product like this, Velcro
And on a serious note, I'm loving the look, although I don't know how well it will work without the OK button, its a useful app switcher on the current generation. I could probably live without the joypad. Its a bit rubbish they've decided to drop the infobar thing (I'm assuming so given the 100% opaque keyboard) which is quite nice when your not using it in a case. I do like the look of the keyboard, might be more usable that the current one maybe.
Where are all the buttons? WTF?
We need more hardware buttons not less, and the joystick too Helloooo HTC WTF?
I would have considered it with the 16GB drive, but there is no chance now without buttons, I wanted a dedicated Answer/End buttons, I had the OK/Win buttons remapped as well as every other button with AE Buttons, this gave me Dedicated Answer/End plus Opera or IE and Flashlight all from a quick hardware button press.
I assume they are trying to to everything from TouchFlo instead.
I still would have liked vibrate and a dedicated ear speaker, for when my bluetooth headset is dead.
And the info display, I cant believe that they couldnt fix the damn reed magnet switch so it worked as advertised.
Well, still waiting for the next big thing
G
Madhadder said:
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Anything, but, certainly not magnets(!). Why not permantely attach the keyboard or completly do away with it?
I find the Joystick to be most used button on the X7501. I rarely use the device in landscape mode when surfing my favorite blogs. I hold down the joystick to get past all the links on the home pages to get to the current messages. Also use it extensively to page forward in ebooks.
Brad
Here's the official press release: http://www.htc.com/press_room/03-press-080211_01.htm
Interesting that they only mention one camera in this release, yet the pictures show the camera facing the user. So... did the original 3 mp camera get chucked, along with the bright LED? Do you now need to turn the thing around to take a picture?
Other questions: Do the external GPS & cell antenna ports still exist? Does the new camera button (the old browser button) have two positions so you can focus first and then take the pic? What accessories will be included in the box this time (and will it include a belt-ready pouch)?
I think they really missed the boat on this one.
what about the backlight? does this keyboard get light on night?
On this danish site there is a bit more info about the new keyboard, which I don't see here:
http://qtek-user.dk/models.php?id=88 (very slow loading!)
It has what is called "haptic feedback", and it delievers a small vibration when you activate a key, which in my opinion must be an improvement to the old style. Also the numeric keys look great, but the lack of the various hardkeys is strange and probably inconvenient.
And here are the specs:
http://tele-online.dk/product.asp?product=16784&sub=67
Someone asked about GPS and Camera, according to this there are no changes, so both are present.
Related
Found on The Register:
Very cunning idea: "each triangular key has significantly more dead space around it than you’d find on a standard Qwerty layout. Consequently, users are more likely to press the correct key each time they tap."
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Essentially the keyboard takes up the same amount of space, but it's easier not to fat-finger more than one key at a time. I would love to see this for touchscreen-only Android phones. It's patented, sadly (and destined for the iPhone), which begs the question: how hard would this be to implement on the sly? Essentially you're just re-skinning the keyboard, after all.
If you were just reskinning the keyboard then the touchable area would be the same and you would still fat-finger touch the other keys. You would also have to make the touch area different.
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If you were just reskinning the keyboard then the touchable area would be the same and you would still fat-finger touch the other keys. You would also have to make the touch area different.
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Hell, it might even be worth keeping the visual layout the same and just changing the touchable area; I was thinking of "reskinning" as both, largely because I've seen three different keyboards for the magic so far in different ROMs, at least two of which have different touchable areas due to having different keys.
Personally I just wished that the keyboard looked and behaved the same as the iPhone... In the Google firmware, the buttons are too small and responds differently, mostly it doesn't even recognize me pressing the keys...don't know if it is because it lacks multitouch or something..
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how hard would this be to implement on the sly? Essentially you're just re-skinning the keyboard, after all.
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Easy peasy!
Skiing a KB is actually quite easy..... several ways to do it but essentially there is one image for each type of key press- its just a matter of editing them in an image editor program- there is a thread about editing KBs in the dream themes and wallpapers section.
Crocodile Keyboard
Hi there,
Its good to get some feedback on my keyboard, some reports give the idea that I only want to get it put onto the iphone, but in reality, I want to get it used as the default keyboard on every touch screen phone.
The website at www.crocodilekeyboards.com was set up because it is almost impossible to show big companies new ideas as they all seem to hide behind the unsolicited ideas rulebook.
You would think that they would actively encorage inventors with a half decent idea by setting up a simple contact point for evaluation purposes.
I had to go public with the idea just to get it in front of them.
The UK patent covers not just the shape of the keys but also the area around them, it also covers variations of the triangular shape.
There seems to be a real need for this keyboard, everyone seems to hate predictive text and touch screens are definately the way forward.
so are you gonna release it for android any time soon?
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Hi there,
Its good to get some feedback on my keyboard, some reports give the idea that I only want to get it put onto the iphone, but in reality, I want to get it used as the default keyboard on every touch screen phone.
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There seems to be a real need for this keyboard, everyone seems to hate predictive text and touch screens are definately the way forward.
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Good luck! I look forward to trying it out and seeing how it works in practice. It would be nice to be able to move my fat digits a little faster on the screen!
It doesn't matter what the picture of the keyboard looks like. If you don't actually make the space/key bigger, then it won't make any difference. Applephone keyboard is a little easier because the screen is A LITTLE BIGGER.... physically. It has a larger screen. Thats what makes it easier.
Crocodile Keyboard
The actual size of the button is less important than you think.
There is a neat optical effect with the croc board were you see the triangular space around the key which makes it look much bigger, this then gives you a visual clue where the button is as you place your finger over it.
Many people have less than perfect vision and anything that helps determine the button position should help.
As an experiment, put your standard qwerty keyboard on a photocopier and print out a copy. (The full keyboard on my website, www.crocodilekeyboards.com, has a croc version of Apple's aluminium blutooth keyboard)
Then, using a felt tip pen change half the keys on the first few rows to croc keys and compare to the standard keyboard. You will see that you could reduce this on your copier by at least 40% and still easily use the croc keys but start to struggle with the standard ones.
Crocodile Keyboard
I have a question.
Crocodile Keyboards have decided that thier first app will be for the Android powered touch screen phones but have noticed something a bit sneaky in the Android developers agreement.
If you go to:
http://www.android.com/us/developer-distribution-agreement.html
Now look at the last bit of 5.1, "Market and to use the Products to make improvements to the Android platform".
Does this mean that I am about to spend five weeks developing this app and Google can just decide to use it in Android for nothing?
Please somebody tell me I am wrong, I am still waiting for a response from google about this.
From reading it would say that it means they I.E. google can use it for administration and demo.
I'm no legal eagle but i would take it from that they can NOT just steal your idea....... and tbh i dont think it matters what it says i dont think a court would uphold that.
I have seen this keyboard before and the patent is rubbish under prior art.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/artoftrek/klingon-console-st5.jpg
RIM are trying other similar patents with hardware keyboards and three letters on a triangle key. For me this is a vile abuse of the patent system. To change the shape of a key and claim its a new idea is a pile of nonsense. Maybe I will invent and patent the parallelogram keyboard which is very like a triangle.
Krocodile Keyboard
Well untill Google get back to me saying anything different, then this distribution agreement is a contract to which I would be agreeing with. The courts will not agree to disolve an unfair contract just because one of the parties involved couldnt be bothered reading what they were signing.
I have just been speaking to my solicitor and his view is that they would be entitled under the contract to take my app off the store and use it in Android.
Come on Google, what is this?
I'd be more than happy to test it, outside of the market
I doubt google will be getting back to you. Though maybe the Klingons will be visting their solicitors or just come to blast you.
I bought it today, much better, I think. I was looking for an interface to change colors...is that possible? thanks, Cyn
well not many really people use it because either swype or the modified htc ime are still much superior - IMO none of the paid app keyboards are worth using
Swype Micro Download
XDA Modified HTC IME
as you can see this is dead for a reason
swype is superior to anything because once you learn it, the only thing better is a physical keyboard for speed
run the tutorial from the swype settings and you will see why
I have been playing with the Game Gripper(GG) for a few hours now and I wanted to post my thoughts.
Packaging: The GG came in a yellow envelope with a receipt and nothing else. No issues there, there really isn't anything you need, but it also means there are no instructions at all.
Installation: It might seem like common sense, but you need to remove any case your phone has installed for it to fit properly. I will mention it in case you are like me and miss part of the case. I have a 2 part case (bottom, and top) and I removed the bottom, but not the top. Once the case if off your phone it is very easy to install. You can slide it up from the bottom, or fold out one side and push it direct onto the keyboard. The plastic/rubber it is made from is very flexible.
Looks: The color is the same shade of black as the rest of your phone. While it isn't as shinny as the phone itself, at first glance it actually looks like it is part of the phone. The buttons that are clear have a visible air bubble inside them.
Performance: I will say it is leaps and bounds better than using just the keyboard as input for a game. It does give you a sense that buttons will perform as expected with each press. The buttons are far enough apart to avoid pressing more than 1 at a time by accident, but close enough to press 2 with 1 finger if you need to. I was having a little trouble with left and right, it will not rock quite as well as a standard controller. This was a pretty minor issue, with some practice I got the hang of it and everything was great. If I had to compare it to say a SNES controller, I would say feels like it is about 75% of the real thing. It lacks some firmness and tactile feedback on some keys.
Over all I would give it 2 thumbs up and it is definitely worth the $15 that I paid for it.
Looks cool!
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Looks good!
Kinda sad that the game gripper won't work if there is any type of case on the Epic. Might be the deciding factor if I purchase one or not.
How do you configure the keys to work in apps like Nesdroid? Do they link you to a profile you can download or something?
muyoso said:
How do you configure the keys to work in apps like Nesdroid? Do they link you to a profile you can download or something?
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Its pretty easy. Under the menu you can change the key bindings. I just looked at wikipedia for a reference.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SNES_Controller.jpg
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Performance: ... I was having a little trouble with left and right, it will not rock quite as well as a standard controller. This was a pretty minor issue, with some practice I got the hang of it and everything was great. ...
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I was having the same issue except my down was not working properly (it was pushing 2 buttons at the same time. I just took an exacto to it and trimmed it down. Works 10x better. You might want to look into it. I'll post a picture in a second of my adjustment.
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It is just something that goes over your keyboard, so no special "drivers" or connections. It just uses keys on your keyboard.
Could either of you guys try out SF2 and let me see your results. Interested to see if it controls as well as my mod.
Thanks
So far so good for me. I'm playing jet moto and it requires super good control and shoulder buttons. Unfortunately I can only use the camera button as my r2 and have to use other buttons for the rest. I was able to win a race and also came in 2nd in another. I'm liking it so far
i got mine today have yet to use it. still packaged. can you charge it while using it?
Ordered mine Friday. Super excited to get it now!
Nice, I can't wait to get mine. What day did you order yours?
Edit: we need the guy who took the exacto to his keyboard to compare it, lol
Nice Review
Ordered mine Friday and stoked to get it. One question, while playing some games I notice I really need the diagonal direction alot, how does this work with the game grip? I was concerned that maybe the keys were not poly-phonic and only one keystroke would work at a time.
@Masterface7
I am the guy who chopped up my keyboard. I don't plan on buying the game gripper though. So I'm not sure what you want to compare?
@magicwands
If you saw my mod on the Epic, you can see that you can press many keys at the same time and it will work. I can pull off special moves very easy in SF2 and charging running and jumping in MegaManX is also possible.
I'm curious if the game gripper controls as well as my mod. Last I used a game gripper, it slid around a lot and was annoying enough that I didn't want to use it anymore.
Looking forward to see more videos.
I got mine today and it works great except for the right arrow key. Ill probably try to shave it down later but my up and down arrows work fine just the right arrow key isnt lined up well the d pad is too large so the right and left arrow cant both be on the letter correctly.
say the game gripper is set up like this
DPAD 00/00 123/456
has anyone noticed when hitting 5 and Left on dpad that button 3 gets triggered???
i just mine as well. what games can i install to test this thing out?
johnsongrantr said:
say the game gripper is set up like this
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has anyone noticed when hitting 5 and Left on dpad that button 3 gets triggered???
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i didnt realize what was happening but while playing ff7 i kept on having my menu pop up which was bound to button 3. Button 5 is the one i hold down to run and it seems to happen when holding down 5 and pressing/rocking the up-left area for me. Any idea whats causing this?
edit: Just tried without the gamegrip and i could repeat the same thing by mashing WQA and FN keys while holding down the Up Arrow which is the same keys/area as the gamegrip. So i guess its just an issue with our keyboard unless it happens only in psx4droid which is what i was using.
You could go to the Messaging application, put the gripper on and push each button one by one and make sure it's only pressing one key as it's supposed to.
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i didnt realize what was happening but while playing ff7 i kept on having my menu pop up which was bound to button 3. Button 5 is the one i hold down to run and it seems to happen when holding down 5 and pressing/rocking the up-left area for me. Any idea whats causing this?
edit: Just tried without the gamegrip and i could repeat the same thing by mashing WQA and FN keys while holding down the Up Arrow which is the same keys/area as the gamegrip. So i guess its just an issue with our keyboard unless it happens only in psx4droid which is what i was using.
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I have a feeling it's the keyboard, I've heard reports of "typing too fast" and whatnot... I'm pretty sure it's simultaneous key presses is dorking it up.... it's a shame, one of the most decent android phones with a keyboard and they messed up the one of the main things you bought it for.
Any limits of simultaneous button presses?
Theres only 1 thing about the G2X that I am constantly reminded of during daily use, and its that I no longer have a trackball like my MyTouch 3G has. Sure, the phone itself is like 4x (or more) powerful than it, has a nice big screen, a much better touchscreen, and can do everything and more than I ever would want it to do, but I CANT ****ING SCROLL THROUGH TEXT FOR ****!!
Am I doing something wrong here? Why is it that when I'm doing a simple google search that its so terribly difficult to edit the text if its longer than the search box? Its nearly impossible to 'scroll' to the sides, and I usually just end up deleting it and typing it all over again.
Or, when trying to select links or other small buttons without having to pinch zoom or have pin point accuracy. Just a couple swipes of the trackball to highlight it and BAM! Navigating web pages just seemed a bit easier with it....
Oh yeah, and this was brought to my attention when I was staring at the ClockworkMod Recovery trying to figure out how the **** to navigate it Is it just me, or does using the volume buttons and power button to navigate the menus just seem.... wrong?
Man, I really miss my trackball.... (But yes, I still LOOOOOVE my G2X)
..I miss it too .. we should start a petition
Yeah! Get enough signatures and demand they give us a free trackball dongle!
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I miss it too.
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I'm really hoping someone will drop some knowledge on this thread and explain some feature that I'm just completely missing that allows you to scroll through text boxes quickly like.... I hate to say it.... the iPhone does. *cringe* It has that magnifying glass when you press on the text and you can slide back and forth easily to select a certain point in the text.
I'm just tired of trying to tap perfectly between the 2 characters where I want the cursor....
If you wait for gingerbread they'll have a cursor thing. The iPhone in my opinion is superior in that area and I hope Google will implement something like that someday.
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I miss it, too. Swype has arrow keys (slide from the Swype key to the symbol key) that mostly eliminate the need for the trackball, but I'm using a different keyboard these days that doesn't have the arrows, and it's a real pain.
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If you wait for gingerbread they'll have a cursor thing. The iPhone in my opinion is superior in that area and I hope Google will implement something like that someday.
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Oh god the iPhone/iPad selection is horrible. Pops up a little magnifying glass with blurry ass text that you can hardly read. Sick.
Gingerbread selection works well. You just click in the body of text then move it around using the pointer.
I do miss my trackball on my N1. Recovery is a big area that needs some kind of navigation control. I'll miss it for games like Frozen Bubble and stuff too. The trackball just seemed perfect for that game.
Well I haven't used an iphone much, but that particular feature seemed nice when not having a method of fine tuned navigation that the trackball has.
I noticed you can scroll text fine in things like this text field or the url field of dolphin browser, but when I use the text field on a web page like google it wont scroll. Is that a general web thing, the browser or android?
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Just ordered my g2x, but I'm definitely going to miss waking up my n1 with trackball, and of course led notifications. The trackball is dead, long live the trackball!
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Say Good Night Gracie
I like the trackpad on the G2 and MyTouch 4G.
I was just looking at the PadKite mouse http://padkite.com
but the G2X isnt on the list of phones.
Also its a whole browser (that doesnt support flash) not just a mouse.
It does look interesting and may have some promise, I'd like to try it.
Unfortunately though with the advent of the tablets, it looks like the track ball
and track pad will soon go the way of floppy discs.
going_home said:
I like the trackpad on the G2 and MyTouch 4G.
I was just looking at the PadKite mouse http://padkite.com
but the G2X isnt on the list of phones.
Also its a whole browser (that doesnt support flash) not just a mouse.
It does look interesting and may have some promise, I'd like to try it.
Unfortunately though with the advent of the tablets, it looks like the track ball
and track pad will soon go the way of floppy discs.
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I don't know why the G2x doesn't have a trackball/pad and especially any notification LEDs...I don't know why these phone makers omit the notification LED especially...I can live without the trackball (takes some learning as I do miss the trackball on my Nexus One...) but an external notification LED? COME ON...at least that Optimus buttons app works well.
Miss my n1
There is a keyboard in the market called "Thumb Keyboard". It constantly displays directional arrows on the bottom of the keyboard. It comes in handy for moving the cursor and selecting text.
going_home said:
I like the trackpad on the G2 and MyTouch 4G.
I was just looking at the PadKite mouse http://padkite.com
but the G2X isnt on the list of phones.
Also its a whole browser (that doesnt support flash) not just a mouse.
It does look interesting and may have some promise, I'd like to try it.
Unfortunately though with the advent of the tablets, it looks like the track ball
and track pad will soon go the way of floppy discs.
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Well, if anything I'd just use the surprising amount of space on the bezel for a small touchscreen beneath or between the touch buttons. It wouldnt even have to be pressable, maybe just tappable. It would simply be another touch screen that you could slide across to navigate like the trackpad.
When I had my G2x when I was surfering or texting and messed and needed to replace text my thumb would automatically go to where the track ball was supposed to be. Then I would be like awe....since I returned my G2x my thumb has been met w/ a trackball every time ....for now :-/
haha same here i had a MT3G also and the trackball grown into me.
wmm said:
I ... Swype has arrow keys (slide from the Swype key to the symbol key) ...
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HOLY SH!T BATMAN!!!
I learned something new today.
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HOLY SH!T BATMAN!!!
I learned something new today.
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You're welcome.
Hey guys,
You guys remember the days of touch pro2, now that was an awesome keyboard phone. But, now with the age of slim being the new trend. Would we see more phones that resemble the keyboard of the touch pro2. So, let's begin the discussion on what you think the future of keyboard phone is. I wish htc goes back to those key features which made it so great....
sorry, if there is another thread like this....
They might disappear eventually, but I think some heavy texters still prefer physical keyboards. With Swype I can almost meet the speed of a physical keyboard, but it's not quite the same. Optional bluetooth keyboards that attach in some way might start to become more prevalent, though.
HTC Universal (Ago 2005)
This was the master of keyboard devices
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Still active and none even close to this beauty
It seems like its only a matter of time before software keyboards get better - there just isn't space to put a physical keyboard on a phone. the swype system seems to be the best currently but anyone might dream up newer and better ways. speech recognition is also getting better all the time.
Tactile screens will probably bring about the real end to physical keyboards as they're the only way to really replace them. It'd be the best of both worlds as well. Imagine a physical keyboard that's context sensitive!
I don't see them dying completely. I know a lot of people crying when Blackberry is brought up, but there are still quite a few people over there that won't give up on a physical kb.
I have even contemplated it myself with a 9900. If not for the bricking issue....it really is an amazing phone, IMO.
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I think there will continue to be a market for hard keys, but all things have their time.
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I'm a fan of the Droid 2 and 3's keyboard, but I rather have a touchscreen now.
I Am Marino said:
I'm a fan of the Droid 2 and 3's keyboard, but I rather have a touchscreen now.
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yeah, but those keyboards are nothing compared to the keyboard on touchpro2...
Touch screens are annoying sometimes, on keyboard phones you always hit right button, anyway I prefer touch screens (dictionary is very helpful while typing). Today I had a chance to play with speech recognition on iPhone and its preaty cool...Someone should start doing research on mind keyboards, just think instead of typing
I agree that there is still a market for keyboards, but with phones becoming thinner, there's really no way to have a real keyboard anymore. I'm personally all for touchscreen digital keyboards, but I understand some people don't like change.
The strongest point against physical kb is the space issue. Period. It is literally a waste of space. I was on bb for a good while and swore I'd never leave, so loved the keys blah blah blah. Swiftkeyx made me just as fast, and the tech, as everyone has mentioned, is only getting better
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I could live without physical keys while typing (even though its a struggle) but nothing is ever going to replace physical buttons for playing games.
Pickx said:
I could live without physical keys while typing (even though its a struggle) but nothing is ever going to replace physical buttons for playing games.
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Agreed. Not only do on screen buttons take up space, they aren't as easy to use as physical buttons.
i feel the pain
my work just switched me off the blackberry and onto touch screens..... our hands are to dirty to work them!
I think there will continue to be a market for hard keys
I love my Epic because of the keyboard. For long emails and typing in terminal mode where I have to type a lot of symbols and and numbers, you can't beat a physical keyboard (don't have to keep hitting the symbol key and alphabet key just to switch between symbols, numbers, and letters). Also, while playing emulator games like Street Fighter II, I can use my Game Gripper and it feels just like a controller. Also having that extra half screen of visual real estate while typing does help as well.
I like the HTC Desire Z
lilshortomi said:
I like the HTC Desire Z
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yeah, the desire z was good, but the keyboard was a bit small...
I had a hell of a time finding a qwerty smartphone to replace my G2 (T-Mo branded Desire Z) - ended up with a Captivate Glide and haven't looked back since. I've tried using Swype, but it just isnt the same. I can't see where my finger is and no tactile feedback for on-screen keys, and the OSK covers up (for example) the message I'm trying to reply to...
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Moto Q > Touch Pro > Touch Pro 2 > (would've gotten a Shift between here but the forced flip-up killed it) Photon Q
Obviously, I'm a keyboard whore.
The TP2 keyboard would seem impossible to beat.
I'll have to get accustomed to the differences, but I'm confident that thumb muscle-memory will soon have me rattling out long emails on the PQ as fast as I could on the TP2.
Of course that's entirely dependent on my ability to hone my fine motor skills to the degree that I won't, as I have been since getting my PQ, constantly hit an ill-placed (imho) TAB key when going for its neighbor, the "a" key. Hell, it's just a common vowel right? How many times can I possibly need to use the "a" key in an average email or txt? I'll only have to tap the screen to get the cursor back 6-24 times per txt/email.
I'll also get deft with the apparently independently needed CAPSLOCK key that I KEEP HITTING INSTEAD OF SHIFT WHEN I ONLY WANTED TO CAP A SINGLE LETTER. Yea, like that.
HTC had it right with the Shift & Fn keys imo. Single press = Single character effect. Double press = LOCKED ON UNTIL PRESSED AGAIN. TAB I don't even get at all. Does anybody do tons of spreadsheets or something on their phone & endlessly TAB through cells? Are TAB ninjas as productive as 'can type on my phone almost as fast as I can on my laptop' ninjas? I might just need to jackup my TABjitsu if that's the case.
Button Mapper is the only thing I found thus far that could possibly allow me to remap the TAB & CAPSLOCK keys to, preferably, NOTHING & SHIFT, but requires full root & looks like it's not still being developed.
I hope the devs here are able to enable remapping in some roms which I also hope to soon be using, but in the least KP has already shown me the alternate route: she'll get naked then those pesky keys will get manually remapped to non-function :good:
dewdcicle said:
Moto Q > Touch Pro > Touch Pro 2 > (would've gotten a Shift between here but the forced flip-up killed it) Photon Q
Obviously, I'm a keyboard whore.
The TP2 keyboard would seem impossible to beat.
I'll have to get accustomed to the differences, but I'm confident that thumb muscle-memory will soon have me rattling out long emails on the PQ as fast as I could on the TP2.
Of course that's entirely dependent on my ability to hone my fine motor skills to the degree that I won't, as I have been since getting my PQ, constantly hit an ill-placed (imho) TAB key when going for its neighbor, the "a" key. Hell, it's just a common vowel right? How many times can I possibly need to use the "a" key in an average email or txt? I'll only have to tap the screen to get the cursor back 6-24 times per txt/email.
I'll also get deft with the apparently independently needed CAPSLOCK key that I KEEP HITTING INSTEAD OF SHIFT WHEN I ONLY WANTED TO CAP A SINGLE LETTER. Yea, like that.
HTC had it right with the Shift & Fn keys imo. Single press = Single character effect. Double press = LOCKED ON UNTIL PRESSED AGAIN. TAB I don't even get at all. Does anybody do tons of spreadsheets or something on their phone & endlessly TAB through cells? Are TAB ninjas as productive as 'can type on my phone almost as fast as I can on my laptop' ninjas? I might just need to jackup my TABjitsu if that's the case.
Button Mapper is the only thing I found thus far that could possibly allow me to remap the TAB & CAPSLOCK keys to, preferably, NOTHING & SHIFT, but requires full root & looks like it's not still being developed.
I hope the devs here are able to enable remapping in some roms which I also hope to soon be using, but in the least KP has already shown me the alternate route: she'll get naked then those pesky keys will get manually remapped to non-function :good:
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What in the crap?
^ What they said. Mind = blown.
KitsunePaws said:
What in the crap?
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lmao. I keep hitting the damn TAB key when I'm trying to hit the "A" key. I'm glad you posted the tear-down thread because I'm probably going to open this thing up & disable the tab key with a piece of tape under the pad or something.
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lmao. I keep hitting the damn TAB key when I'm trying to hit the "A" key. I'm glad you posted the tear-down thread because I'm probably going to open this thing up & disable the tab key with a piece of tape under the pad or something.
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Wouldn't it be easier if you just learned where the "A" was ?
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dewdcicle said:
lmao. I keep hitting the damn TAB key when I'm trying to hit the "A" key. I'm glad you posted the tear-down thread because I'm probably going to open this thing up & disable the tab key with a piece of tape under the pad or something.
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In case you screw something up;
http://www.etradesupply.com/motorola/android-models/motorola-photon-q-4g-lte-xt897.html
tetrabyt said:
Wouldn't it be easier if you just learned where the "A" was ?
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And I quote...
dewdcicle said:
I'll have to get accustomed to the differences, but I'm confident that thumb muscle-memory will soon have me rattling out long emails on the PQ as fast as I could on the TP2.
Of course that's entirely dependent on my ability to hone my fine motor skills to the degree that I won't, as I have been since getting my PQ, constantly hit an ill-placed (imho) TAB key when going for its neighbor, the "a" key.
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KitsunePaws said:
In case you screw something up;
http://www.etradesupply.com/motorola/android-models/motorola-photon-q-4g-lte-xt897.html
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Sweet ty KP :fingers-crossed: Do I need anything other than a stiff guitar pick & T5 to get her nekid?
dewdcicle said:
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Sweet ty KP :fingers-crossed: Do I need anything other than a stiff guitar pick & T5 to get her nekid?
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Shouldn't. I'm not sure how well the pick will work, I used one of these.
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