Touch Flo not so good - Touch Cruise General

Any one have any ideas why the touch flo on TC is so bad compared with iphone?

Well, ignoring the fact that the iPhone doesn't have TouchFLO, the reason the touch interfaces are so different when compared is that, in the case of the iPhone, the operating system and *the hardware* were developed together in order to achieve Apple's aims of a slick, touch-driven interface.
TouchFLO, on the other hand, is an interface slapped on top of an operating system which wasn't designed with it in mind, written to run on a variety of differently capable hardware.

Top Mario said:
Any one have any ideas why the touch flo on TC is so bad compared with iphone?
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One of the major issues is the driver problem listed in the sticky above. It affect all areas of graphics performance, including the interface. Second, TouchFlo sits over Windows Mobile which at times is not the quickest OS out there.
There are registry hacks (see the Tweaks thread in the Polaris upgrade forum) that help with TouchFlo sensitivity (how hard you have to press), and scrolling. They apparently do help somewhat.

thanks for your answers guys. I noticed on clips that the iphone is much neater to navigate around, nevertheless I wouldn't change my TC for an iphone

Improve a little the sensibility of your touch screen by doing this:
1 open reg editing software
2 navigate to HKEY_LOCAL MACHINE\software\OEM\TFLOSettings
3. in HKEY_LOCAL MACHINE\software\OEM\TFLOSettings find DWORD fingerpressure...
4. enter in to edit mode then either double or quadruple your oem setting which is 3760
5. !!!!!!!!!*******DO NOT decrease the OEM value only increase IT WILL ACTUALLY TAKE MORE PRESSURE********!!!!!!!!
6. soft reset and enjoy a reduced pressure and better sensible display!!
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also figure out this could lessen normal wear and tear(scratching of protectors/PDA screens) since lesser pressure is
applied to Tap the screen
here's what you have to do:
Using a registry editor go to..
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Drivers\TouchPanel
then find DWORD PressureThreshold'
Change the value of PressureThreshold.(PLEASE ONLY INCREASE the value ONLY!!!)
Try doubling the default value 'til you get a desire setting
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ATTENTION: PLEASE ONLY INCREASE THE DEFAULT VALUE

Related

Text Size

How do I make the text larger then what the slider in
Settings>System>Screen>Text Size
allows ?
Is there an app that sets this larger or a REG Value I can change.
I looked and so far can not find what I want.
stainlesspc said:
How do I make the text larger then what the slider in
Settings>System>Screen>Text Size
allows ?
Is there an app that sets this larger or a REG Value I can change.
I looked and so far can not find what I want.
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I've used this purchased software with success for changing font size
http://www.penreader.com/pocket-pc-software/CETuner_2002.html
Not sure about it's functionality on windows mobile 6
Good Luck.
There a few ways. If you want reg settings, I'll have to sift through some old posts, otherwise you can use SK Tools. I highly recomend SK Tools, I think it's the best utility around & so do a lot of others. It's great for performance tweaking & modding the UI as well as cleaning up temp files & optimizing the registry.
Thanks I will try them.
My dad is thinking of going from a Razor to a Tilt but wants bigger fonts so he can read it.
Not worried about how much just how big.
SK Tools
SK Tools looks to be pretty cool.
But Still can not get the today screen font bigger then what "text size" in settings does.
Is there a way to do this ?
Maybe I missed a setting in SK Tools ?
stainlesspc said:
SK Tools looks to be pretty cool.
But Still can not get the today screen font bigger then what "text size" in settings does.
Is there a way to do this ?
Maybe I missed a setting in SK Tools ?
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Give this some play time as well. It's called zoom & you can map to a HW button & use on any page. I personally like to select the two last items in the options menu. Then you have to execute & imediately touch what you want to zoom in on. the tap again to exit. For the settings, you execute then don't touch the screen. After a moment the options will come up.
http://rapidshare.com/files/81335165/Zoom.rar
Pretty slick
THANKS

[REF]New Reg Tweak Better Cube Performance

this tweak will reduce the amount of pressure it takes to use the cube gestures
1 open reg editing software
2 navigate to HKEY_LOCAL MACHINE\software\OEM\TFLOSettings
3. in HKEY_LOCAL MACHINE\software\OEM\TFLOSettings find DWORD fingerpressure...
4. enter in to edit mode then either double or quadruple your oem setting which is 3760
5. !!!!!!!!!*******DO NOT decrease the OEM value only increase IT WILL ACTUALLY TAKE MORE PRESSURE********!!!!!!!!
6. soft reset then enjoy reduced pressure gestures!!
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also figure out this could lessen normal wear and tear(scratching of protectors/PDA screens) since lesser pressure is applied to Tap the screen
here's what i did..
thru the PHM registry editor(or any PPC registry editor)
go to..
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Drivers\TouchPanel
then find DWORD PressureThreshold'
Change the value of PressureThreshold.(INCREASE value ONLY!!!)
i tried doubling the default value. until i have reached my desired setting.
now,its like tapping soflty without having a feeling that i have screen protector. Also less stress on the stylus and screen and faster tapping.
WARNING: Only INCREASE THE VALUE BUT NEVER THE DECREASE THE DEFAULT VALUE.
Lowering the value of Pressure Threshold means you need to apply more pressure in tapping than you normally do.
wow!! tks for the info. i've change the settings by jz double up frm OEM setting. It works & i'm so enjoying wif very soft tapping on the screen now
there are more reg hacks im working on like im speeding up the movement of the cube and other things like speaker phone volume ill be posting all of them here i try them first and make sure they work before telling them to everyone
Hmm there was no folder called TouchPanel in my drivers folder
Seed123 said:
Hmm there was no folder called TouchPanel in my drivers folder
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Same for me...
Instead of HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Drivers\TouchPanel
I searched the DWORD PressureTreshold and found it at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\TouchPanel
maybe there are different Versions and other Destinations of the Key TouchPanel.
Very nice tweak! I always thought I had to apply to much pressure to the screen even before I was using the screenprotector.
Thanks for this!
Edit: it is also much nicer to work with the PCM keyboard now! Typing goes smoother.
Holy ****, this is great! It's much easier now to write on the screen with a touchpad.
Thanxxxx main!!
So what you people use for the value under PressureTreshold for TouchPanel?
I doubled them both
Great Tweaks!!!!!
hey man these are great tweaks. I jus added these tweaks to the Touch Wiki, keep em' coming man
and yeah as some members suggested it is:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\TouchPanel
can u verify this bereda, so as to reduce the posts which doubts the location of the registry key
I just will add this tweak also on my elf with Blue Touch 4.0 ROM and my value is already 9518. So Swiftblade ROM users dont have to add this tweak i guess
NP9660 said:
I just will add this tweak also on my elf with Blue Touch 4.0 ROM and my value is already 9518. So Swiftblade ROM users dont have to add this tweak i guess
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Are you talking about HKEY_LOCAL MACHINE\software\OEM\TFLOSettings\fingerpressure or HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Drivers\TouchPanel\pressurethreshold. My first value was 3681 instead of 3761 and my second one was 9350. I just doubled them both.
tiftof said:
Are you talking about HKEY_LOCAL MACHINE\software\OEM\TFLOSettings\fingerpressure or HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Drivers\TouchPanel\pressurethreshold. My first value was 3681 instead of 3761 and my second one was 9350. I just doubled them both.
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Im talking about HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\Drivers\TouchPanel\ pressurethreshold
Like I said, I doubled that one anyway. There is nothing being said about a default value for that one in the first post. I think doubling that variable is why pressing keys on my PCM keyboard and the overall "touchscreen experience" is going better.
Its wierd.. I change the first one but the second tells me access denied.. even restarted the phone and tried connecting again.. I can change the first one.. but I can't change the one inside the TouchPanel directory..
Im using Mobile Registry Editor.. its pretty simple.. can't even search in it so I want to try something else.. Im going to search around for one but if someone wants to let me know what they prefer that would be awesome..
nevermind.. this article from the developer here helped me..
http://www.breaksoft.com/Blog/Posts/2005/8/Mobile_Registry_Editor_FAQ.aspx
mrtical said:
Instead of HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Drivers\TouchPanel
I searched the DWORD PressureTreshold and found it at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\TouchPanel
maybe there are different Versions and other Destinations of the Key TouchPanel.
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hey guys sorry for the delay the you are correct this is where the registery is located as listed above!!!!
my settings are actually quadrupled but its amazing im actually working on speeding up the cubes spins andhow fast it reacts!!!
my touchpanel threshold is at 38372
and my touchflo is at 15040
its great for me
For the TouchFlo, I found that it did have an effect.. however, I tried adjusting the PressureThreshold and didn't notice much difference...
Thanks for the tweak!
pmgpriebe said:
Its wierd.. I change the first one but the second tells me access denied.. even restarted the phone and tried connecting again.. I can change the first one.. but I can't change the one inside the TouchPanel directory..
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Same here. "access denied".
Any way to go around this, to change the pressurethreshold value?

Is Touch Flo3D silly junk?

I disabled touch flo 3d right away because it seems like pointless eye candy. It seems like a sloppy rough integration that is a greater impedance than an assistant. Or is it just me
Have you modified it with the tweaks to enhance the performance? All it is is really just another shell, your preference there.
its the first thing i disabled. in my opinion its pretty darn ugly...except for the weather thing, its kind of cute. but i like having all my stuff on the home screen where i can see it all at once
As you can see, you are clearly outvoted. They had the same poll over at ppcgeeks (How many are still using TouchFlo3D) and of the 320 people who participated,80% were still using it.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=482651
TF3D brings an essential level of style to Windows Mobile.
Surur
Style, schmile!
If I wanted style I'd have the Jesus phone that Apple makes - with one of the great cases from Vaja.
Instead, I want to look at my screen and gain information. On my day, on the stock market, on the weather and on the number of messages I am currently blowing off.
I too liked the weather bit. I also appreciated that TF3D goes a good job at memory management. Maybe when I get the time to learn how to customize it, I'll return to TF3D.
For now, though it is back to WinMob running Pocket Breeze in full screen mode with panels for pA and Pocket Weather.
I really like it. It gives me access to what I need to see when I glance at the screen (except tasks) and finger-touch access to programs.
It does screw up maybe once a day though requiring a soft reset. I applied the mods recommended and they made my TP freeze a lot so I changed them back to default.
It's actually a great enhancement to WM. almost everything that needs to be readily accessible is "touchable" no need to get irritated and use the tip of my nail to make sure I press it just right. Even the corner X close button works almost flawlessly because the screen touch area is now flush.
I know there has been some whining but this really is the best match, easy touch interface for the simple phone stuff, and the ability to use a keyboard and a stylus for things that just aren't feasable to use efficiently with a finger on a touch screen.
I'm a very happy camper with the Fuze... well except for that ****ing GPS crap.
I'd also like to add that I think most of us really created and adapted ways to be able to not use the touchscreen for a lot of things, and with good reason considering how much I hate using a stylus to navigate a UI. So I think a ton of us bring a certain baggage about using our fingers because it just really did always suck that bad. Which thanks to HTC it really doesn't now. Plus this screen may not be like the capacitive Iphone but man it's definitely a lot smoother, the word "silky" comes to mind with how it feels compared to my Tytn.
I'm not sure which one of the 2 voting options is meant to be good
Some people are just afraid of change. As there still millions of windows 98 users out there. LMAO, people need to move with the times
Touchflo3d is indeed the most beautiful interface I've ever seen. It remained for about one month on my mobile phone. After that I still installed pocket plus (the program who puts icons dirrectly on screen and used only one tab in which I put all my programs).
Reason 1: functionality. It takes several moves in TF3D to do simple tasks. For example if I am in the home screen I cannot start with a single click an app. I have to scroll (and be quite carrefull to go in the desired position) and after that start a program etc. Imagine if in Windows you would be forced to use start, programs every time if you wanted to use an program...it'll kill you. That's why we activate programs by clicking the icon on the screen after all...it's the fastest way. All in all, to be clear, if it would be a contest between a TF3D and a Pocket Plus-type of program, everytime the pocket plus device will "click" the application faster, while in TF3D depends on where TAB are you..
Reason 2: familiarity with Windows way of activating programs. As I said before it's more simple for me to simply activate the icon on screen and not bother with some paradigm of displaying emails or SMS (and related to that, do you want to be able that someone can take a look at your info by simply scrolling to that tab? I don't)
Reason 3 -not quite a reason, but a proof that this a better interface in my opinion: the simple-icon-on-display type of interface is actually validated by the Iphone which we all know as a beautiful device at least.
I like Touchflo3d, but I missed my usual today screen setup.
The easy answer is to use secondtoday, that way I get the best of both worlds, one tap on the screen switches between them.
Gigs said:
Touchflo3d is indeed the most beautiful interface I've ever seen. It remained for about one month on my mobile phone. After that I still installed pocket plus (the program who puts icons dirrectly on screen and used only one tab in which I put all my programs).
Reason 1: functionality. It takes several moves in TF3D to do simple tasks. For example if I am in the home screen I cannot start with a single click an app. I have to scroll (and be quite carrefull to go in the desired position) and after that start a program etc. Imagine if in Windows you would be forced to use start, programs every time if you wanted to use an program...it'll kill you. That's why we activate programs by clicking the icon on the screen after all...it's the fastest way. All in all, to be clear, if it would be a contest between a TF3D and a Pocket Plus-type of program, everytime the pocket plus device will "click" the application faster, while in TF3D depends on where TAB are you..
Reason 2: familiarity with Windows way of activating programs. As I said before it's more simple for me to simply activate the icon on screen and not bother with some paradigm of displaying emails or SMS (and related to that, do you want to be able that someone can take a look at your info by simply scrolling to that tab? I don't)
Reason 3 -not quite a reason, but a proof that this a better interface in my opinion: the simple-icon-on-display type of interface is actually validated by the Iphone which we all know as a beautiful device at least.
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Pocket Plus sound like exactly what I need!
nuke1 said:
I'm not sure which one of the 2 voting options is meant to be good
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Bunk = bad and handy gooey is handy GUI or handy Graphical User Interface
migsims said:
It's actually a great enhancement to WM. almost everything that needs to be readily accessible is "touchable" no need to get irritated and use the tip of my nail to make sure I press it just right. Even the corner X close button works almost flawlessly because the screen touch area is now flush.
I know there has been some whining but this really is the best match, easy touch interface for the simple phone stuff, and the ability to use a keyboard and a stylus for things that just aren't feasable to use efficiently with a finger on a touch screen.
I'm a very happy camper with the Fuze... well except for that ****ing GPS crap.
I'd also like to add that I think most of us really created and adapted ways to be able to not use the touchscreen for a lot of things, and with good reason considering how much I hate using a stylus to navigate a UI. So I think a ton of us bring a certain baggage about using our fingers because it just really did always suck that bad. Which thanks to HTC it really doesn't now. Plus this screen may not be like the capacitive Iphone but man it's definitely a lot smoother, the word "silky" comes to mind with how it feels compared to my Tytn.
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maybe thats why I'm having so much trouble with the touch screen. I tap something,,,, wait 5 seconds,,, tap again,,,, wait 6 seconds then give up and get out the stylus. Maybe I should re-enable touchflo to stop this problem
surur said:
As you can see, you are clearly outvoted. They had the same poll over at ppcgeeks (How many are still using TouchFlo3D) and of the 320 people who participated,80% were still using it.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=482651
TF3D brings an essential level of style to Windows Mobile.
Surur
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Thats interesting. Thanks for the link. Maybe I should give touchflo 3D a another shot.
chetmichaels said:
its the first thing i disabled. in my opinion its pretty darn ugly...except for the weather thing, its kind of cute. but i like having all my stuff on the home screen where i can see it all at once
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Me too. Thats why I copied and pasted the links that are in folders within the program folder back up to the program folder. I like having everything in 1 spot. I wish it was alphabetized though.
kareem9nba said:
Have you modified it with the tweaks to enhance the performance? All it is is really just another shell, your preference there.
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Performance wasn't really the issue for me. It just seemed like pointless eye candy.
James, you'll really find SPB Pocket Plus really nice. The thing with it is to remove all the tabs, as they really only generate useless clicks to navigate where your program is, and in final squeeze in one tab only the icons you need. I have 3x5 icons(with no text and large size enabled) and if I really think some of them I don't really need - like powerpoint and so on.To give an exameple this is what I consider usefull:Comunication Manager, Resco Explorer, HTC Album, Igo, Camera, Excel, Word, Coreplayer, sms, activesync,radio, opera, 1-calc (a very nice calculator) and notes. And supplimentary I have enabled the calendar and date plugins in today screen. This is a very nice setup - eficient - and if you set a non transparent background, very nice, kinda stylish look. Now, I have seen that you complained about precision of tapping - beware that in the margins and corners of display you'll have sometimes to get out the stylus. Give that pocket plus a try.It really made my days.
kareem9nba said:
Have you modified it with the tweaks to enhance the performance? All it is is really just another shell, your preference there.
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Care to share those kareem?
jamespaulritter said:
I disabled touch flo 3d right away because it seems like pointless eye candy. It seems like a sloppy rough integration that is a greater impedance than an assistant. Or is it just me
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Definitely NOT at all. We must be on different spectrum of the universe. I like TF3D a great deal, make navigating the phone intuitive and seamless. It is just you.
Without TF3D, my Sprint TP would just be any other run of the mill Win Mobile big screen phone. My 39 cents.
TF3D is totally kickass! I love it for everything. Althought I do wish they had the map intergration that they have in TF2D. I also want the stocks tab and am waiting for the hd manilla to be perfected . Other than that, the original htc theme, with q-style font, my personalized background, tweaks from diamond config, and stock fuze rom, it runs pretty darm fast. Only did a soft reset once and that waas because I was attempting to run a qvga application and it crashed.
Gigs said:
James, you'll really find SPB Pocket Plus really nice. The thing with it is to remove all the tabs, as they really only generate useless clicks to navigate where your program is, and in final squeeze in one tab only the icons you need. I have 3x5 icons(with no text and large size enabled) and if I really think some of them I don't really need - like powerpoint and so on.To give an exameple this is what I consider usefull:Comunication Manager, Resco Explorer, HTC Album, Igo, Camera, Excel, Word, Coreplayer, sms, activesync,radio, opera, 1-calc (a very nice calculator) and notes. And supplimentary I have enabled the calendar and date plugins in today screen. This is a very nice setup - eficient - and if you set a non transparent background, very nice, kinda stylish look. Now, I have seen that you complained about precision of tapping - beware that in the margins and corners of display you'll have sometimes to get out the stylus. Give that pocket plus a try.It really made my days.
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I agree. Let's not turn into a bunch of iPhone cattle. They stick to their phones like cult even when plagued with numerous problems.
Get SPB mobile. It blows TFTD out of the water.
dgduris said:
Style, schmile!
If I wanted style I'd have the Jesus phone that Apple makes - with one of the great cases from Vaja.
Instead, I want to look at my screen and gain information. On my day, on the stock market, on the weather and on the number of messages I am currently blowing off.
I too liked the weather bit. I also appreciated that TF3D goes a good job at memory management. Maybe when I get the time to learn how to customize it, I'll return to TF3D.
For now, though it is back to WinMob running Pocket Breeze in full screen mode with panels for pA and Pocket Weather.
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I didn't know the Lord makes phones
Back to the subject, it's all a personal preference. I think it's great, and makes the phone a lot more fun and a little easier to use, you don't, but nobody is right or wrong on this one.
ababrekar said:
Care to share those kareem?
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They are stickied in the Raphael subforum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=413562
BTW I have been using TFL3D since when I got my TP in August. SPB Shell seems outdated now but I have it installed anyway, accessible via Second Today

Found a way that might be usefull to make a finger freindly ROM

Ok I'm not quite good enough for this untaking but figured I'd put my findings out there.
There are 2 sets of registry setting that change the size of everything on your screen.
HKLM\Drivers\Display\GPE
HKLM\System\GWE\Display
Entries= LogicalPixelsX & LogicalPixelsY appear in both
Normally they are 96x96, I changed them to 120x120 (+25%) and now everything on my screen is 25% bigger. The Topber Icons are now 20x20 pixels instead of 16x16. Now you can make this what every % bigger you want, but the key is everything in the ROM must be scaled to this size. All images, everything or certain features may not load. For example I have WinMo G.S and because my CPR for the Start Menu is not scaled it will not load on screen. Here's a screen shot of what my screen looks like now.
total noob post that has nothing to do with the awesome tweak but, how do you change the taskbar icons? i did a quick search and got lost.
emmanemma said:
total noob post that has nothing to do with the awesome tweak but, how do you change the taskbar icons? i did a quick search and got lost.
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Check these links for that...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437307
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441829
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=54514
Good job mate, I am sure it will really help someone with a weak sight. Good work.
drkfngthdragnlrd said:
Ok I'm not quite good enough for this untaking but figured I'd put my findings out there.
There are 2 sets of registry setting that change the size of everything on your screen.
HKLM\Drivers\Display\GPE
HKLM\System\GWE\Display
Entries= LogicalPixelsX & LogicalPixelsY appear in both
Normally they are 96x96, I changed them to 120x120 (+25%) and now everything on my screen is 25% bigger. The Topber Icons are now 20x20 pixels instead of 16x16. Now you can make this what every % bigger you want, but the key is everything in the ROM must be scaled to this size. All images, everything or certain features may not load. For example I have WinMo G.S and because my CPR for the Start Menu is not scaled it will not load on screen. Here's a screen shot of what my screen looks like now.
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excellent work AGAIN my friend
Thanks this does help me i have bad arthritis in my hands and some days i cannot grip the stylus so this will come in handy thanks mate
All of the guides I've been seeing are tailored toward 192 pixel resolution instead of 96. I've been messing with changing the Start menu graphic, among others, and it would be nice to have an icon legend as a reference so that other users can know which icon to change. The numbers for the VGA ones aren't matching up with the QVGA ones.
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All of the guides I've been seeing are tailored toward 192 pixel resolution instead of 96. I've been messing with changing the Start menu graphic, among others, and it would be nice to have an icon legend as a reference so that other users can know which icon to change. The numbers for the VGA ones aren't matching up with the QVGA ones.
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I tried entering 192 in my tilt and the items became way too big. The start Menu Icon was off screen. Luckily I have a registry editor I can use from my pc to change it back otherwise I would have been hard reseting a lot.

Changing an apk's Virtual Keypad Size?

Hello! I've been reading around these forums for awhile, since i got my kindle for Christmas, and the information and support I've gotten from here has been astoundingly extensive, but now i need help with something specific.
I've gotten PSX4DROID working on my barebonesCM7 build but the virtual keypad displayed onscreen is too small for me to operate comfortably. Is there a way for me to change some settings in the programs code to, say, add another sizing option? One twice as large, but following the same emulation and placement parameters, and without breaking the program?
Actually all the buttons on my kindle are too small as I'm very big and tall, and have large fingers. I'd like to be able to do the equivalent of decreasing my screen resolution, or just increase the buttons real estate on screen in any way possible. but my main question is still whether or not i can do it to an apk at all, since i'll need that information in the future for other onscreen key generating programs.
Thanks in advance, guys! Seriously, this site is the best!
You could try reducing the screen DPI that might make them bigger.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8184409

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