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Hello, I have lodged a complaint and asked HTC to email me the fact that the X7510 is not fit for purpose.
Let me elaborate. I administer a Microsoft SBS 2003 server. My user/owner of the company asked me to research a mobile device which would synchronise all his Exchange/My Documents items. The HTC X7510 seemed the right choice as it appeared to allow complete synchronisation and had a 16GB storage size. No limitations were mentioned.
I then get the device and find:
1) It cannot synchronise My Documents to the 16GB storage
2) It cannot synchronise his Exchange server mailbox (10GB) 60,000 mail items - crashes
I mean, what's the point? 16GB of what?
Please do not mention 3rd party products as I am interested in an out of the box solution which this HTC is meant to be.
I just though that I would save a few people some time and money by reading this and then they would purchase a laptop.
Probably wouldn't bother with the Shift either if this is what you get.
Thanks.
Adrian.
Adrian,
With respect, an Exchange 2003 mailbox that goes over 2GB is poorly managed and will become corrupted. Microsoft has a utility to specifically deal with and recover Exchange 2003 mailboxes that are over 2 gigs. Get your boss to archive more often!
Addtionally, it is entirely possible to sync almost the entire contents of My Docs, but the question I'd ask is why would you want to?
A business owner would typically have many documents confidential to the business in their My Docs, so it's not a clever idea to sync all that to a portable device. A far better and more elegant solution would be to use SBS's remote workplace and the remote desktop client on the HTC. That way he can even use full apps installed at the office.
Also, I think you may miss the point of the Shift - most people seem to!
DON'T think of it as a phone, or a PDA or a WM device of any kind. It is a UMPC that just happens to have a WM side, so you don't always have to have the whole thing fully booted up. As such, the WM side was NOT intended to be free standing, as on any other WM device, but rather to compliment the functionality of the PC side.
Now some very clever people came up with Shift packs that allow you to "liberate" the WM side, making it far more fully featured, but it still is (in WM terms) a poor cousin to the Athena.
Go get a laptop, you say? Fine, but I suggest first do a needs analysys so you get a device/UMPC/laptop/mainfram/whatever that will actually deliver what you're looking at achieving.
Thanks..
Thanks for your elaborate and Company oriented reply.
My client (actually a friend of mine), I just happen to be an IT consultant, is a lawyer. He needs access to most of his My Documents and also all his emails. Exchange 2003 handles his 9.98 GB mailbox realy well in the office. From his laptop he RDPs over a VPN into the server no bother.
I do not think that a sync schedule which is .5K x 60000 items = 30MB should cause the Advantage a problem. And thats all his mailbox, if I just do 2007 and 2008 then thats 25000 items x 0.5K = 12.5MB.
Also the sync just does not complete - via cable, wireless (pardon the pun) or 3G. Now thats no big deal, just don't sell it as a complete sync solution for MS Exchange.
Also, the country I am in has a maximum ADSL bandwidth of 2MB down 512K up, to which his server is attached via a Cisco router.
RDP from the Advantage is a no because his eyesight is bad.
Thanks again for your constructive reply!
Actually my reply was neither company orientated, nor elaborate. If you wanted elaborate then we can delve into the mysteries of the Jet db technology underpinning Exchange 03, since that will also explain the 2 GB mailbox limit. Instead my reply was technically orientated.
I support amongst other things several Exchange 03 installations. Your friend's mailbox alone is approaching the 16 GB db limit Exchange 03 has (18 to 75 GB on SP2 boxes) and I will categorically state his mailbox is poorly managed.
Remember, WM does NOT sync an entire mailbox, but instead a subset of it. Going by what your client wants no WM device will do the trick. Instead, I suggest using a laptop with offline files and folders enabled. That way he'd have his FULL mailbox and ALL his docs with him.
Tell you one thing, though: the minute I hear my solicitor carries ALL his documents out of the office all the time is the minute I change law firm! The exposure is simply too great.
Iphone 3G, N95 8 GB
Thanks agan for your concise and erudite reply.
I will therefore, after several cooked ROMS and various HTC's, not darken this doorstep again.
I have configured my N95 8GB, and an IPhone 3G to sync this Exchange mailbox succesfully. They do not have the MS Office funtionality my friend requires.
Yes it is SP2 and I will be moving to SBS 2008 as soon as SP1 for SBS 2008 comes out .
The Advantage - It cannot do what it says.
And it costs a bomb.
And you, (well, I'm using you as the corporate HTC/Microsoft Active Sync/Jet Database/etc. figure) still haven't answered why the My Documents folder cannot be sync'd to the 16GB Flash out of the box but rather to the phone memory.
At the end of the day (and especially these credit crunch days) the user wants what the user wants. And what the user wants is a mobile device which has all his documents and all his emails.
The Advantage cannot do that, therefore is not fit for purpose.
"Smart Mobility?"
Regards,
Adrian.
Office 2007
Oh, sorry, I forgot to mention that the users in the office with the SBS 2003 box are running Office 2007.
Thus, were I to use FTGate or MDaemon, or even a local pop account as opposed to Exchange, I could in theory have a local pst (or ost) file up to a size of 20GB. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/830336
And so, if I chose an Advantage, with Office 2007 and a local pst file, ActiveSync could not synchronise all of it.
The Advantage is not fit for purpose. Or is it Windows Mobile that is not fit for purpose?
Probably Windows, 27 Microsoft exams have taught me this.
Don't sell something if it can't do what it says on the tin.
Adrian.
Adrian,
I don't want this to degenerate into a my-daddy-is-bigger-than-your-daddy type of argument. Having said that, I disagree with you on several aspects:
1) The .PST file in Outlook 03 and 07 can be configured to be up to 33 TB (yes, Tera Bytes) in size. The 33 TB limit is NOT defined by Microsoft, but instead is a by-product of the Unicode encoding used in the file, just as the previous 2 GB limit was the result of limitations to the ANSI encoding such files used before. But all this ignores actual mailbox limitations brought into play by Exchange 03. The default maximum size for an Exchange 03 mailbox is 2 GB - imposed by Microsoft. You CAN override this by manually editing the value using the ADSIEdit console, but before doing so I suggest first exploring the reasoning behind the 2 GB limit - there's a great deal of sense in that limit.
2) I'd dearly LOVE to know how you managed to sync a 10 GB mailbox onto an 8 GB Nokia! Perhaps Nokia's discovered a new compression algorhythm that the rest of the world doesn't know about!
3) After you read through various MSDN articles on the 2 GB mailbox limit, and several other dealing with the suggested maximum number of items in each mailbox folder, kindly explain how you managed to sync a 10 GB mailbox over the air, given the number of forcefully dropped connections Exchange would do on a mailbox containing 60 000 mail items.
4) On MY x7510 My Docs lives on the 16 GB flash memory. It is a simple adjustment to make and an oversight on your vendor's part for not making it default. Still, with XP or Vista a default setup will not meet your needs, so why do you expect WM at default values to be perfect for YOUR needs?
5) I've never been described as a corporate HTC/Microsoft Active Sync/Jet Database/etc. figure. Actually I work for myself, although on occassion I employ sub-contractors. I do support as well as software development, integrating Exchange, Active Directory and 3rd party SQL databases, so I've learned a fair old bit about Exchange's insides. Please don't view me as advocate for corporateland, because I'm not.
I understand you're frustrated, mate, but I did not cause your frustrations, so please don't vent it on me. Nobody here dislikes you, and we'd all like you to stay. It is just that I (and I suspect a few others) disagree with your points of view. I happen to love my x7510, far more after Cmonex weaved her magic and got us all to the point where we can unlock our devices and flash newer/better ROMs to it. My device does EXACTLY what I need from it, so in several ways I'm very fortunate.
Then again, my needs were very clearly defined before I got the x7510. I need a hardware keyboard and a large screen capable of at least VGA as I do a lot of support via remote desktop. I like the on-board GPS (although it isn't essential to me) and I'm currently working on a method to allow some of my clients to view (at my discretion) where I am when I'm out and about for them.
I have no less than four Exchange installations at my office, but they're all lab networks, mimicking client setups. For my own mail I use Live mail from Microsoft because it is simple, easy and just works.
Please consider what I'm saying here: I believe your friend is trying to work dangerously far outside of accepted good practise. You can criticise me for saying that, but you cannot alter the facts.
If he was my client I'd get him an Acer Aspire One, or the new Asus Eee PC with Bluetooth, and a 3G USB connection. I'd then set the laptop up as essentially a thin client and have him log on to a machine at his office using remote desktop.
The Aspire One is a nice little toy with a far larger screen than any WM device, and is hugely cheaper than the HTC Shift. It would give him all the functionality he seems to be after, without risking any data falling in the wrong hands.
Agree but disagree.
OK, I must admit this user is pushing the boundaries of the meaning if the word "mobility" but if you are going to sell a product that synchronises with Exchange, surely that means all possibilities for Exchange (or a pst for that matter).
It's like buying a car and finding out that it runs for 50 miles and then stops, which is what happens with the Advantage - it says it has synchronised but hasn't, no errors, failures, nothing.
By the way, it seems it is not a limit on the size of the mailbox but the number of items per folder. I have split his years into months in the inbox/sent folders and I am on 2004 already.
Takes a long time for the initial sync, but once it does it, every subsequent sync flies through, even over GPRS as the looking for changes happens pretty much straight away, it's the processing of the emails which takes the time.
I was joking about leaving the XDA forum - at the end of the day it is not HTC but Windows mobile that is at fault and I have had several HTC's, started with a Blue Angel I upgraded to WM 6.
Thanks for taking the time.
Adrian.
Found this elsewhere here on XDA-Devs: http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdachooser
Your friend might have some benefit from using that.
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OK, I must admit this user is pushing the boundaries of the meaning if the word "mobility" but if you are going to sell a product that synchronises with Exchange, surely that means all possibilities for Exchange (or a pst for that matter).
It's like buying a car and finding out that it runs for 50 miles and then stops, which is what happens with the Advantage - it says it has synchronised but hasn't, no errors, failures, nothing.
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Now I need to disagree there as well: Not all cars are made equal, either.
It seems to me that you're after a car with the looks of a Lamborghini Diablo, F1 racing performance and handling, space for 8 people and a dog, capable of being driven across the Sahara desert and through the Amazon jungle all with the comfort of a large BMW saloon, all while using only a teaspoon of fuel.
Be a pretty excellent vehicle if it actually existed, but we both know it doesn't, and never will. Now does this mean we should start criticising all car manufacturers, or simply accept some trade-offs when selecting our perfect car?
Dear NanoRuler ,
U rocks , i truly respect you because i have seen many people that are extremely difficult to satisfy yet unable to accept that he or she is difficult to be satisfied . I support u , NanoRuler rules
I prefer the Lamborghini Countach LP500s actually.
Hmm, just did a google on HTC X7510 R.R.P. and this came up:
http://www.cnet.com.au/mobilephones/phones/0,239025953,339285985,00.htm
And so, for that price, or anywhere near what we paid for it, my orginal post on this thread was correct.
A laptop is cheaper and better.
Q.E.D.
Adrian "Lamborgini Countach LP500s" N****
(Surname blanked as I don't want some wierdo turning up at my doorstep with an LP500s and an HTC X7510 attached who has succesfully synced a 60GB Exchange mailbox)
Adendum:
HTC working as well as can be expected, with 1 years emails on it.
losdelrock said:
A laptop is cheaper and better.
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Laptop and communicator/(mobile computer) - noncomparable models, IMHO... Different sizes, different options...
Why complain
Why did you file a complaint? Lets face it Windows is unstable from the very start. They spent millions developing Vista but nobody wants to use it. If you want something stable, switch to an iphone with an Apple computer.
I was wondering if you can spoof the device id on android devices....
A firewall is blocking all devices except for BlackBerry devices. I want to spoof my device ID to appear as a BlackBerry so I can access the exchange server remotely.
If there is no way to spoof does anyone know of any different workarounds?
Please help!!!
jdlumley said:
I was wondering if you can spoof the device id on android devices....
A firewall is blocking all devices except for BlackBerry devices. I want to spoof my device ID to appear as a BlackBerry so I can access the exchange server remotely.
If there is no way to spoof does anyone know of any different workarounds?
Please help!!!
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There is an exchange server that is blocking all devices besides Blackberries? Never heard of one like that. What happens when you try to set up the account using HTC Mail?
It is already setup with HTC mail. It works when i'm on my work wifi because i'm already past the firewall that is blocking devices from the exchange server. When I try to access remotely, I get denied. It works fine with all blackberries. I know this because I tried with a blackberry and it worked fine. They only allow blackberries because that is he only kind of device they issue.
bump - someone help me on this please.....
Flipz?
It works with blackberries because BB uses BIS an email server that is proprietary to BB, and it bypasses your company's exchange server.. Unless you are set up for a BES exchange server, which is an additional monthly fee, and if that is the case, there is no way to make an HTC device connect to BES because it is a BB service..
Also, as of yesterday, any cellular "spoofing", be it caller id or anything else, is now a federal offense.
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Flipz?
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azyouthinkeyeiz said:
It works with blackberries because BB uses BIS an email server that is proprietary to BB, and it bypasses your company's exchange server.. Unless you are set up for a BES exchange server, which is an additional monthly fee, and if that is the case, there is no way to make an HTC device connect to BES because it is a BB service..
Also, as of yesterday, any cellular "spoofing", be it caller id or anything else, is now a federal offense.
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Thanks for the info but we use BES which then connects to the exchange server. The only reason it works is because the firewall allows BB device IDs. If I could spoof to appear to be a BBC I would be fine.
Also regarding your statement about spoofing, the bill is specific to spoofing caller ID and not specific to cell phones. Also, isn't law yet; requires further approval.
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The only reason it works is because the firewall allows BB device IDs.
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There is no such thing..
The blackberry connects to BES by your BB PIN... If you don't have a BB.. There is no way to "spoof".
The phone would have to be registered by BB on their server as a BB device by the PIN, which there is no way to "spoof" unless you find some way to hack into RIM.. Good luck with that approach.
Also, regarding your statement about the "Truth in Caller ID Act of 2010" which was passed by *CONGRESS* and immediately ratified, does not require any further approval. And is now effectively a law..
It also does not have any clarification between "spoofing" and "spoofing caller id".. The only clarification is that any attempt to "spoof" the originating call location. (I.e. phone number or location, and the only exception to that is you are still allowed to block that information. "Spoofing would lead the call receiver, in this case BB, to not have accurate call originating information, which in turn, is spoofing and a federal offense....
azyouthinkeyeiz said:
There is no such thing..
The blackberry connects to BES by your BB PIN... If you don't have a BB.. There is no way to "spoof".
The phone would have to be registered by BB on their server as a BB device by the PIN, which there is no way to "spoof" unless you find some way to hack into RIM.. Good luck with that approach.
Also, regarding your statement about the "Truth in Caller ID Act of 2010" which was passed by *CONGRESS* and immediately ratified, does not require any further approval. And is now effectively a law..
It also does not have any clarification between "spoofing" and "spoofing caller id".. The only clarification is that any attempt to "spoof" the originating call location. (I.e. phone number or location, and the only exception to that is you are still allowed to block that information. "Spoofing would lead the call receiver, in this case BB, to not have accurate call originating information, which in turn, is spoofing and a federal offense....
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First off, you obviously don't know much about Exchange and the way ANY device interacts with it. BES is esentially a tunnel to get you from your BB to the exchange server. The BES still needs to get through the firewall to get to the exchange server. The firewall can be configured in many different ways. The most common are A) allow the entire BES access or B) allow specific device IDs access. Are you starting to understand?
Secondly, you're a f*cking idiot. Congress is not the final approver of this bill. Obama has not signed off on it, which means it is not law yet. And it is specific to Caller ID. If you had even processed the title of the bill correctly in your peanut-sized brain, you would know this. Please check your facts before you post and make yourself look like a douchebag.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ytech_wguy/20100415/tc_ytech_wguy/ytech_wguy_tc1637
Now if there are any devs out there that can shed some light on where the device ID is stored or even how to spoof it, please respond!
Not worth it...
PS.. Take a guess as to what your "DEVICE ID" is..
Wow.... I already know what my device ID is. I asked how to change or spoof it.
My device ID is: HTCAnd444430*
Ya know.... they should really make you pass a test to be able to post on forums. Then I would have to deal with idiots like azyouthinkeyeiz.
Um....wouldn't common sense dictate that any sort of spoofing be ethically challenging? Well I would like to think that some things are just better not left to chance. I am not trying to be all goody goody and claim I don't do anything that isn't entirely lawful......but with how nutty the FCC can be, trying to spoof your device ID is akin to MAC spoofing to bypass security measures even if it is not for malicious intent. It can't and won't end well.
Just my two cents....
Off topic... but I wonder what that bill means, if anything, for those of us using Google Voice configured to display our GV number instead of our 'real' number.
Although not the answer you are looking for, you can do this using Nitro Touchdown Exchange.
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Ok. The question was not what your device id is, its a question of what your device id should be, which is a bb pin. (*which might I add since you keep saying Device ID, has no relevance to anything in your HTC HERO Phone, it is just a entry field label on BES for entering your BB PIN #)
Good luck trying to get it to work. Lol.. You're trying to tell a Network Admin and Sprint Tech (me) that I know nothing of, something I use everyday...
Now that I am at work not on my phone... You can use your HTC Device ID all you want.. But it means nothing.. Obviously, since it doesn't work as of now, does it? You need to have the BB "device ID" , which is if you had any sense to you at all, very apparent, as I've told you a thousand times already that it is the BB PIN.. Those are on a whitelist and to access BES your device has to be on that list, and activated through a carrier, with the attached SOC code for the BES plan..
You can access from your work, not because it passes some *firewall*, but because it bypasses BES because you are logging directly into the Exchange Server, through the local network, and that is nothing new, any business with BES is set up exactly the same.. To access your Exchange Server from home, your company uses the BES Gateway, and to use that, you have to have access to BES. And without the SOC code from your service, a BB PIN registered on the Blackberry Network, and the correct settings for your exchange server, you cannot access your email.
So next time, before you start throwing insults and acting like you know anything, at least have the key terms down... Just because the IT guy at work threw some terms around at you, doesn't mean you know anything..
You ask for help with something you obviously know nothing about, and then act like you have answers. And two people even told you, that whatever you think you are dealing with, they have never heard of before.. (a firewall that blocks anything but blackberries??? I mean really?)
You sir are an incompetent clown.
*edit.. I have also been looking all morning for anything that would even suggest that you have any idea of what you are talking about, and there are 4 HTC WinMO devices(TOUCH's and the TYTNII) that you can download a program that allows access for those specific HTC models.. Nothing else..
Ok, lets stop the name calling.
To the OP: Am I correct in assuming you've asked the Exchange Admins to add the Hero device ID and they denied the request? If so, then don't mind me. It seemed like the logical first step.
I haven't read the bill which passed (yet) but I will... Just a few notes.
The Bill has passed both Senate and House versions, it is NOT law yet, but probably will be soon. I see some issues though with the terms being somewhat Vague. Yes, it will be nice that telemarketers and such will no longer being able to hide, but INTENT is a big glaring need which has to be addressed. I mean, come on... There are PERFECTLY legitimate reasons for not wanting to give your number to someone or to give the impression you are calling from a number, i.e., masking your location.
(Honey, I'm at my friend John's house playing cards, be home late tonight)... Lmao...
To make this type of instance a Federal Crime is just "out of this world ridiculous". Big Brother on Steroids... Or what one Judge said recently, that "those who seek anonymity are only doing so for Illegal purposes". NOT!!!... So I wonder then is Ghost writers can be arrested and pseudonyms result in a 10 year stint... Come on... What next? E-mails must be your name? How about that Federal Registry/I.D. #, hell, why don't we just use our Social Security number for everything??? Forget Credit cards, bank accounts, etc...
But anyway, welcome to the New U.S. of A... where all you get to do is breathe without it being tracked, watched, cataloged, traced, recorded, stored, etc., all without your knowledge, permission or ability to resist.
Who was it that said: "Just because I'm paranoid - doesn't mean they aren't watching me!"...
azyouthinkeyeiz said:
Ok. The question was not what your device id is, its a question of what your device id should be, which is a bb pin. (*which might I add since you keep saying Device ID, has no relevance to anything in your HTC HERO Phone, it is just a entry field label on BES for entering your BB PIN #)
Good luck trying to get it to work. Lol.. You're trying to tell a Network Admin and Sprint Tech (me) that I know nothing of, something I use everyday...
Now that I am at work not on my phone... You can use your HTC Device ID all you want.. But it means nothing.. Obviously, since it doesn't work as of now, does it? You need to have the BB "device ID" , which is if you had any sense to you at all, very apparent, as I've told you a thousand times already that it is the BB PIN.. Those are on a whitelist and to access BES your device has to be on that list, and activated through a carrier, with the attached SOC code for the BES plan..
You can access from your work, not because it passes some *firewall*, but because it bypasses BES because you are logging directly into the Exchange Server, through the local network, and that is nothing new, any business with BES is set up exactly the same.. To access your Exchange Server from home, your company uses the BES Gateway, and to use that, you have to have access to BES. And without the SOC code from your service, a BB PIN registered on the Blackberry Network, and the correct settings for your exchange server, you cannot access your email.
So next time, before you start throwing insults and acting like you know anything, at least have the key terms down... Just because the IT guy at work threw some terms around at you, doesn't mean you know anything..
You ask for help with something you obviously know nothing about, and then act like you have answers. And two people even told you, that whatever you think you are dealing with, they have never heard of before.. (a firewall that blocks anything but blackberries??? I mean really?)
You sir are an incompetent clown.
*edit.. I have also been looking all morning for anything that would even suggest that you have any idea of what you are talking about, and there are 4 HTC WinMO devices(TOUCH's and the TYTNII) that you can download a program that allows access for those specific HTC models.. Nothing else..
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You obviously do not know squat about exchange servers, corporate networks, etc... if you have not heard of ISA. ISA is a popular firewall, which my company uses with the exchange server. ISA can and is configured to manage access to certain phone models based off Device ID. All of the allowed devices IDs are BlackBerry IDs. I know for a fact my problem has nothing to do with BlackBerries using a BES. Remember, I have access on wifi, just not remotely and my friends on the exchange team confirmed this for me.
I work in IT but do not manage the exchange/ISA servers. Even if I did, our environment would require a change control for a change like this. We have asked to have our device IDs added to access the exchange server but the change committee has not decided yet if they will grant it. Again you would know nothing about these things as you are a Sprint techie.
I'm not on these boards with the intention of being rude and name calling as you are. I am sorry I lowered my standards and insulted you; I just can't stand ignorant people that think they know everything when really most everything they say/type is false. I simply created this topic in search of a way to change my device ID. I do not care if it is unlawful, wrong, yadda, yadda, yadda. If you or anyone else that reads this knows how to do this, please respond.
To the fellow that suggested Nitro Touchdown. I tried this software but it only allows you to spoof your client agent ID. ISA is configured by Device ID. Thanks for the suggestion but no luck there.
I never said I had never heard of ISA.. I said there's not a firewall that only blocks non-blackberries.. You can block whatever you want with firewalls, its not a feature that it blocks blackberries..
I am telling you the answer, even with ISA, the problem you are having is, the option on the admin side of ISA, is to allow all devices, to allow all devices from BES, or to allow user privileges. There is no button for blackberry/HTC/Apple.. You cannot access the server because you cannot pass through BES without a PIN..
I did no name calling, read back, you stooped there yourself pretty harshly, and I am still helping you... [mirror]
LISTEN- You can connect on your work's wifi, because it is directly accessing the server from an IP on the LOCAL NETWORK.. When you connect to the server on your phone through the mobile network, you are accessing from the PUBLIC DOMAIN.. Which from your explanations, indicates that they allow access only through BES... Since "it only allows blackberries"...
Changing your device ID (if even possible) is going to create more problems than it solves. You basically have 2 options for the device ID:
1 - Change the stored device ID in the handset. This will break all kinds of functionality as every single call the OS makes to getDeviceID() will return an invalid value. My guess is that no applications are coded to respond correctly to a BB device.
2 - Only use a different device ID in the email software. This would require you to write a custom application to get Exchange support.
If you can connect with a desktop PC via VPN, you might want to take a look at RoadSync -- it provides Exchange access over VPN via a proxy server. I believe the current version only has support through 1.6, so if you're running 2.1 you may have to roll back your rom to install it.
(long post warning...I'm placing the summary first for those who don't care to read the whole thing)
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In summary, I want a mobile platform that I can tweak until I get it exactly as I like it; that will sync with Windows desktop and server platforms (this is a strong preference, not a "must"; upon which I own things and don't have to worry about them being stolen or broken; that doesn't tell everyone and their mother where I go and what I'm doing; and on which I can listen to Sirius radio; and to which I can transfer data back and forth via USB without any permission based cloud interface. It must also be compatible with Slingplayer software and I have a strong, strong, preference for a slideout QWERTY keyboard, but I'd sacrifice that if I have to for the above functionalities. I'm currently on ATT, but it doesn't have to be that way
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I am thinking about purchasing a new phone. But the market is a bit more complicated than when I purchased my current phone (HTC Diamond), so I hope that you guys can give me some advice.
I have been a Windows Mobile user since 5.0. What I loved about WM is that I could come here and read about the various hacks, mods, and custom roms and generally find something to address any problems I had, or find a way to modify the phone to meet my preferences.
I love the mobile version of Office and I use it constantly for work purposes. I especially like being able to sync outlook contacts on both phone and device, and that I can make presentations from the phone, and can open and manipulate Word and Excel.
I was also using SiriusXM 6 by tcbush over on Geekstoolbox to listen to satellite radio. Unfortunately, Sirius has taken down their legacy servers that streamed content to third party providers. So it does not appear that I can listen to satellite radio any longer via my mobile device.
It is this turn of events (Sirius radio) that is my main motivator for seeking a new phone. I could listen to Sirius via the web, but that requires a Flash player and I can't find a version of flash for WM 6.1. I have both Opera Mini and IE. So, if any of you know a way for a WM 6.1 device to listen to Sirius, you will have solved my immediate problem and saved me some money. I would really appreciate that.
But on the larger scale, I know that one day I will have to replace my beloved Diamond. Her slideout QWERTY is starting to jiggle, there are a few scratches on her beautiful face even though she hasn't gone a moment without a case and screen protector. Every now and again her D-Pad loses its way, and I have to reboot. Alas, I fear the end is near. *sigh*
So, in looking over the current landscape, I see three options: iphone, Android, and WM7.
Apple products to me are out for personal preference reasons.
That leaves Android and WM7.
Problem 1:
I enjoyed my prior experience of owning a WM phone supported by a network of generous, friendly developers who found ways that we could modify our phones to our hearts' content. I also like the fact that I own my phone and all its content. Once I install or tweak something, then that's it unless I decide to change it.
But the current market seems to be based on a top-down control model. From what I've read, owning a phone with the current tech is like owning a home on leasehold property or in a HOA: You pay full price for ownership but you do not enjoy the rights of control normally associated with that ownership. It seems that the devices are locked, difficult to unlock, find ways to re-lock, and that a Nanny-server may at times uninstall or disable software that it doesn't like.
I just don't get it. Has the culture embraced a model where a user pays a provider only to be told by that provider what he can and cannot do with the property he has purchased?
Of course, my perception of these issues could be incorrect. I recently went back to school and have unplugged from most external things. I haven't been following the "insider info" on xda for nearly two years. If I'm wrong, please tell me.
Problem 2:
User tracking. Sounds Orwellian.
I get it that the cell provider can locate you. I understand the technology reasonably well for regular Joe, and I understand that the network needs to know where you are. But until recently, the cell provider could not release those records without a warrant or some emergency confirmed by law enforcement like a lost person, etc. I actually worked with Sprint in conjunction with the police to attempt to track a stolen phone. However, it now appears that the manufacturers themselves and many app developers are bypassing the law by tracking users without their consent. Am I right on this?
I've read a number of articles on the Apple and Android tracking problems - generic apps tracking you and reporting your movements to Apple, Google, etc. Apps turning on the mic or camera at intervals and tracking your surroundings or conversations. Route these concerns through the awfulness of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, the Patriot Act, and the fact that both the post-digital presidential administrations (Bush II and Obama) seem intent on eroding what remains of our privacy, and it makes me uncomfortable. To make it worse, Google and Zuckerburg are both in bed with the Obama administration, and stories of their privacy infractions are epidemic.
Yet none of the progs I use on my WM 6.1 device use tracking (that I know of). So, in a very short time, it appears that the culture of mobile communications has gone from an ownership model with Constitutional protections to a free-for-all where you essentially pay big brother to track you.
I have heard many of my younger friends who have grown up in the big-government era use the default: "If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry about." But that's exactly backward. The law presumes your privacy and allows infractions only after due process. The current culture seems to presume lack of privacy, and treat privacy-seekers as an anomaly. And the tech seems to reflect the culture rather than the law.
Am I crazy? Even if I am crazy, is there a way to block this tracking? And, if so, does Android or WM7 better lend itself to blocking this tracking?
Problem 3:
USB data transfer.
WM7 doesn't support smart cards. But, the devices seem to have adequate on-board storage for my needs. However, from what I've read, I'll need to use Zune (on WM7, don't know about Android) to move data back and forth. Is that correct?
I currently use Windows Mobile Device Center to transfer files back and forth via USB or Bluetooth, and I really want to keep that functionality.
Thank you if you have read this far. And, given those criteria, what are my best options?
Droid X2. Get it.
Droid X2
Droid X2. Get it.
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Thanks for the responses. I've done a bit of research on the phone you recommended, and some research in general. I really need to spool back up
It looks like there are apps out there like WhisperMonitor that will help with my privacy concerns. Actually, it looks like there are Android Apps to address most of my concerns.
I'll keep researching that to determine how much functionality I'll have to sacrifice. And I appreciate the responses. Love the dual core structure of this phone. From what I've read, the benchmarks don't differ too much from single core phones, but it looks like the dual core really helps with load distribution and multi-tasking.
It will be hard to leave Windows...been with it since it was Pocket PC 2000. But atm, it appears that Android may work best for me.
I agree Droid X2, although VZW is expensive, its the best network
Off the basis of wanting a slide out QWERTY and Windows Phone 7, I would go with the HTC Arrive for Sprint. You still have Windows Phone, you can get Sling Player from the Marketplace, and it has a slide out QWERTY that when it slides out, angles the screen for better typing the way I look at it.
samsung galaxy s2
or atrix
If you QWERTY I'd wait till my4g slide if it launches with s-off. I don't imagine you'd be keeping the os in tact.
The g2 is also a beautiful phone. Amazing specs for the good hardware.
T-Mobile is also cheapest, I find, of the four carriers.
The epic 4g seemed nice. Hummingbird (Samsung 1ghz processor) is very nice and has a great gpu.
If you're looking to use google talk video chat, avoid nvidia tegra 2 chips.
Google's suite of software is pretty sweet. Google docs works nice, and there's an app for that.
As long as you download from android market you're good from malware. (If you do get it from market, google does pull the app from the store AND your phone, that's the only time I heard them doing this, and that was once instance.)
Besides... Supporting your developers is a great thing.
Did I miss anything?
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IMO almost any of the android phones would work for what you have in mind. As you pointed out in your follow up post there are apps out there for your privacy concerns. I've had a Moto Droid and now the HTC Thunderbolt. Both have been synced with my works exchange servers with no issues, google apps work great with Office docs, and the available roms and other customizations are almost endless.
Also, don't get hung up on a QWERTY keyboard. I swore I would never have a phone without one, but now that I do I actually don't really miss it.
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USB data transfer - very simple to do with android. Install a driver for the phone and then connect to your pc with a USB cable. Your pc will recognize the sdcard as removeable storage. Just select it in My Computer and drag and drop anything you want to move like you would for moving any file around in Windows.
why I can't send and receive any file thru bluetooth on my samsung focus mango ( 7720) , it asks me to tap for pairing and when i key in the code ( 0000 ) I get the messaage : device not supported
please help
thanks
Because the security model in WP7 doesn't support this.
... all devices with WP7.
can we hack this security model?
Nope, because system WP7 this option haven't (that is not lock by Microsoft but this function not added to system). Maybe later ...
Budniu said:
Nope, because system WP7 this option haven't (that is not lock by Microsoft but this function not added to system). Maybe later ...
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You can send files through one wp7 device to the other though!
In other words no because right now WP sucks and Microsoft doesn't care what we want or need they only care about $$$$$.
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In other words no because right now WP sucks and Microsoft doesn't care what we want or need they only care about $$$$$.
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Nonsense. The platform has to evolve according to priorities, meaning that the things people use *most* need to be polished and working *first*. I own an Android tablet and used to have an iPhone; know how many times I've used bluetooth file transfer? ONCE. And that was just to see if it worked.
It's evolving at a very slow rate of speed, Bluetooth file transfer has been around since the 90's and is a very common function on just about every phone. They are not polishing anything all the do is locked the phone down more and more with each update. Is it me or does anyone notice how WP is following in the same exact foot steps as the iphone? When the iPhone came out it hand no cut and paste, it had no start screen wallpaper, how about iTunes and Zune. I can understand people defending WP because I use to and still do some what but I have a WP device, do you know how many other people have one? None! And there is a reason for that just look at WP sales and where they fall, they are behind Blackberry for God's sake, Blackberry, the lamest phone and OS. MS needs to wake up and take their head out of the cloud or Apples tactics or they will fail big time. I use to wonder why Verizon didn't support WP and now I know why, no one wants a limited, dictated iPhone clone. In fact WM was better than the iphone because of that but MS never really put forth effort into it or took the cell phone market seriously that's why Google took advantage of the situation and now Android picked up where MS left off.
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It's evolving at a very slow rate of speed, Bluetooth file transfer has been around since the 90's and is a very common function on just about every phone. They are not polishing anything all the do is locked the phone down more and more with each update. Is it me or does anyone notice how WP is following in the same exact foot steps as the iphone? When the iPhone came out it hand no cut and paste, it had no start screen wallpaper, how about iTunes and Zune. I can understand people defending WP because I use to and still do some what but I have a WP device, do you know how many other people have one? None! And there is a reason for that just look at WP sales and where they fall, they are behind Blackberry for God's sake, Blackberry, the lamest phone and OS. MS needs to wake up and take their head out of the cloud or Apples tactics or they will fail big time. I use to wonder why Verizon didn't support WP and now I know why, no one wants a limited, dictated iPhone clone. In fact WM was better than the iphone because of that but MS never really put forth effort into it or took the cell phone market seriously that's why Google took advantage of the situation and now Android picked up where MS left off.
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I believe not just you everyone knows wp7 follows iphone.At first I didn't know that wp7 don't support bluetooth transfer until it's too late wen I buy my hd7
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There is a vote somewhere in the forum regarding this matter.If the vote is many, I think wp7 will enable the file transfer.i already voted 3x.
If you are forwarding contacts... use the app called forward contact and use a qr code... way better!
If you are transferring a file, hit save to skydrive then share it with the skydrive app... or... hit share and choose email.
Bluetooth transfer is such a waste of battery and i for one never found a real good use for it.
Also ignore the poster above u. He's been trolling here for a while
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I believe not just you everyone knows wp7 follows iphone.At first I didn't know that wp7 don't support bluetooth transfer until it's too late wen I buy my hd7
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There is a vote somewhere in the forum regarding this matter.If the vote is many, I think wp7 will enable the file transfer.i already voted 3x.
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That is true, if you are a normal everyday consumer that doesn't know how to go online and look up XDA Developers you would never know that that option didn't exist on WP. They don't tell you the phones limits on commercials or at your local cell phone store of course but get you all hyped up into buying one. I feel sorry for people who are not savvy and have to figure out stuff too late when they already bought the phone.
I'm not here to argue whether or not WP7 needs bluetooth transfer but a simple search would have gotten someone their answer.
The point here is that if it wasn't such a big deal for someone before they bought the phone, or else they would have checked beforehand, why is it such a big deal now?
Boburto said:
I'm not here to argue whether or not WP7 needs bluetooth transfer but a simple search would have gotten someone their answer.
The point here is that if it wasn't such a big deal for someone before they bought the phone, or else they would have checked beforehand, why is it such a big deal now?
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Because you expect it by default?
Anyhow, since bluetooth hardware is already physically implemented in the phone, it is not impossible to improve it. Although you may use network (3G+WIFI) for data sharing via mail, whatsapp, viber, facebook, virtual drive, dropbox or whatever you imagine, the cloud is not 100% secure (look at megaupload, what you have on the cloud doesn't belong to you)
and will lead to total failure in case you have no signal coverage or you use the phone as a handheld (suppose you have only one SIM and two or three phones, the other obviously won't have GSM/3G signal and maybe you don't have wifi access when you like)
So, if it is already hardware implemented, not much difficult to improve it.
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Because you expect it by default?
Anyhow, since bluetooth hardware is already physically implemented in the phone, it is not impossible to improve it. Although you may use network (3G+WIFI) for data sharing via mail, whatsapp, viber, facebook, virtual drive, dropbox or whatever you imagine, the cloud is not 100% secure (look at megaupload, what you have on the cloud doesn't belong to you)
and will lead to total failure in case you have no signal coverage or you use the phone as a handheld (suppose you have only one SIM and two or three phones, the other obviously won't have GSM/3G signal and maybe you don't have wifi access when you like)
So, if it is already hardware implemented, not much difficult to improve it.
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I don't ever remember having to transfer a file so urgently i couldn't wait until i got network coverage or got home. It doesn't seem like a situation you'd run into on a normal day.
There are a lot of things that could be added to windows phone. They could be added quickly and untested (and may not work properly/cause issues) or time could be taken to add them correctly taking time to debug and issues. MS is taking the latter approach.
Personally i prefer a phone which does 90% of what i need properly because they spent their time and effort on that, rather than a phone which does 100% of what i need badly because they are spending time on something that isn't needed the majority of the time (*cough*likeandroid*cough*).
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Personally i prefer a phone which does 90% of what i need properly because they spent their time and effort on that, rather than a phone which does 100% of what i need badly because they are spending time on something that isn't needed the majority of the time (*cough*likeandroid*cough*).
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I second that as well. Android for example, has several issues and can take months to years to be fixed or even never (example: http://www.google.co.il/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=55d64c4d1aa1664c&hl=en).
On the other side iPhone for example has less features but they usually solve the issue within a week that is a top quality support.
I prefer the second approach, if I have to choose.
Bluetooth transfer is very much a necessity, especially here in India. Many of my friends expressed interest of buying a Windows Phone when I showed them my Samsung Focus. They loved the amazing User Interface, but were immediately turned off when I told them that Bluetooth transfers are not supported. One guy thought I was joking when I told him about the lack of Bluetooth File Transfer. Even I'm disappointed by the lack of this very basic feature. Android can do this. Symbian can do this. There's iBluetooth for iPhone for Bluetooth transfers. Windows Phone must be the only major OS which doesn't have any Bluetooth transfer options available. Isn't there any possibility of a hack or some 3rd party XAP (like iBluetooth) which enables bluetooth transfers?
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Bluetooth transfer is very much a necessity, especially here in India. Many of my friends expressed interest of buying a Windows Phone when I showed them my Samsung Focus. They loved the amazing User Interface, but were immediately turned off when I told them that Bluetooth transfers are not supported. One guy thought I was joking when I told him about the lack of Bluetooth File Transfer. Even I'm disappointed by the lack of this very basic feature. Android can do this. Symbian can do this. There's iBluetooth for iPhone for Bluetooth transfers. Windows Phone must be the only major OS which doesn't have any Bluetooth transfer options available. Isn't there any possibility of a hack or some 3rd party XAP (like iBluetooth) which enables bluetooth transfers?
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Yeah I tried to explain that to users but most of them attacked me and provoked arguments stating that Bluetooth is too 1990's and that I might as well ask for punch card technology and so on. Windows Phone is the only one that doesn't allow this as far as I know. Too bad but Windows Phone 8 is coming and lets hope MS comes to their senses.
Well, no matter, it's great news that DFT have at last released a hack for enabling bluetooth transfers ! Man, I'm elated ! All I have to do now is to fully hack my Samsung Focus, and I'm ready to reap the benefits. Well, I hope an interop unlock comes out for bluetooth transfers, because I won't be hacking the phone at least for a couple of months.
We have 2 Galaxy Tabs, 4 iPads, 3 Xoom's, 1 XY Board and more than a dozen smart phones that we have connected to our 2007 Exchange server. Up until about a month or so ago we had no issues. Now the 3 Xoom's will hold some email in the outbox and never send them. There is no rhyme or reason that I can see to why some emails will go and some will not. It appears that this happens only on reply's and not new messages, and only some reply's. The Xoom's are running the latest version of Honeycomb, 3.2.6 on Verizon's network. We also have devices running on T-Mobile, Sprint and AT&T, I doubt it's the carrier. I've spent more time then I care to admit trying to find a solution to this. Yes, I understand there are other email clients in the market but they have limitations and for what we paid for the tablets I kind of think it's crazy not to be able to utilize the native client. The only solution I've been able to find is to not check the "include text" box which for business purposes isn't much of a solution.
If anyone has any thoughts please share.
UPDATE-
I spoke with Motorola's Tier 4 support group and they told me this is a known issue but they have had a hard time replicating the problem. We have offered up a test email account in our servers for them to use with their Xoom hardware in hopes of recreating the problem and pulling the appropriate logs. I was told because it's a Google Experience Device the "fix" would have to come from Google, not from Motorola. Additionallly, they had no idea if the email client in ICS would be any different than the one currently installed on the Xoom. Overall I was very happy with Motorola's willingness to try and help us out. I should have just rooted the tablets (even though they're company property) and run one of the many outstanding custom ROM's...