I registered with FON...
http://www.fon.com
...about six months ago, then just before Christmas they offered me their wireless kit with high gain aerial for six quid inc p&p.
The way it works is if you share your wireless network (the router lets you set the bandwidth you wish to share, so almost none if you want) and in return it lets you use everyone elses FON connections, and you can check a map to see where the closest open on is, with it even showing you the route to get there. The router provides two separate wifi sources - one for your own use - and one for public use (if someone who does not share their wifi in the FON service - they can still use the service - but need to pay - with part of the payment going to the person sharing their router. A few routers can also do this already - and there is a link on the site telling those that will work with the service. You can name your hotspot from their site and change passwords etc too.
http://maps.fon.com/?lang=en
You need to keep zooming in until you see orange circles.
It was originally set up in Spain - so the coverage there is massive - so pretty good for on holiday, although last year FON teamed up with BT in the UK, so the hotspots on my local map have more than doubled in that time. But there is coverage in most countries, including ones where they do not offer to send to (such as Russia - but the map shows availability in Moscow and SPB).
So legal war-driving with a map provided, and a good chance of free VOIP and internet when on holiday.
I'm surprised that this is popular; seeing as you're responsible for what is downloaded on your connection. It'd be just lovely if you did this and some pervert downloaded kiddie porn with your connection.
A nice surprise that would be, when the cops come beating down your door at 5am...
In the US they just passed a bill that makes sharing your connection a VERY risky thing to do. You would have to be crazy to own a wireless router in the USA atm and even more nutz to share it. If someone uses your connection to commit a crime you can be held liable. RP and Dennis are the only 2 people who fought this. While they are out on the trail it got voted in.
OK - show me one conviction where this happened and someone was convicted for what a third party downloading criminal content.
If I go to the city centre, even in the evening there are masses of open wifi signals - and in addition to that a few people have had file sharing cases against them dropped as those making the accusations were unable to show if it had come through an open signal.
Also - if you are responsible for what is downloaded upon your connection - show me one university, internet cafe, or employer who has been accused of an offence for what was downloaded on their premises.
Being a member of FON means you can hire out your connection for both payment and/or free access yourself, so you are in the same position as those mentioned in the list in the above paragraph.
http://www.snohomishcountybusinessjournal.com/archive/jul07/techtalk-jul07.htm
the general issue is not they are convicted for other people doing it the problem
is that they can get convicted as the offender themselfs
The router splits traffic into two parts - your own and your external - ie others.
For someone else to use your router for access - they have already registered and had a router sent to them - or they have registered then paid with paypal to access your router (with a pass).
There is also the option of changing the firmware on your original router and then registering - which would show your IP as you went through to process of registering.
OK - I gave a bad example by saying it was wardriving with a map provided - but its keeping records - and on my home page I can see the IDs of those who accessed my site (who are both family members I set it up for prior to their going on holiday).
So you will still have to do anything dodgy from a normal open router or net cafe - as there is still a password you need to buy - or be sharing yourself to get access - so users are traceable - and your homepage shows you the ID of who accessed the service.
why would you even share your bandwidth, i would not even share it if i was being paid, can be used by pirates and then you get the law knocking on your door blaming you.
And i think they are going to pass a law that bans pirating(any illegal thing) in the university
"Its mine - all mine - mine you hear - just mine - and no one elses"
Seems like some have reason to be paranoid about this, depending in wich country you live...
As long as it is not forbidden to have an open accespoint in the Netherlands, i like the idea of FON.
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Tried to sign up with my wallaby on o2 but they say they dont want to know lol
Dont Know ,not Worth it
Installed it on my xda mini s , after a while saw its trying to connect the gprs.. canceled it .
then it sent 2 text i dont know where lol, i only had it installed for less then 10 hours and it sent 4 texts from my phone using my own PAYG credit :shock:
uninstalled it , and wont try anything like this again lol
My plan has unlimited data, so as long as it doesnt F'up the phone I will try it. Figure already got the NSA checking out my phone logs and calls, etc.. whats one more
At least if they are going to track me I get paid for them being nosy.
Not to mention since I have a HTC Universal in the U.S. maybe it will give some of the companies an idea to actually offer one here that uses EDGE. Being on the bleeding edge of technology it never hurt to help them get new ideas to improve what we got either.
Charles
hi,
as a victim of lost or stolen phone being used to sign up to premium rate text service, which can not be blocked according to phone companies I was wondering two things.
1. the ****tard signed up online using my name and number - that is all, and then confirmed the sign up by just returning a text from my phone. Is there anyway to trace the computer and thus the user who stole my phone and signed up. Any techies here who fancy the challenge - and give hackers a good name for a change? I'm thinking trace to a internet cafe computer and then ask cafe for CCTV...... like that case where the barrister was caught.
2. I think that a sign up to any such services should require security at least at the level that one has to use when speaking to your phone company.... ie providing a password of the account, etc. Returning a text is no confirmation at all - as it can all too easily be in the hands of a crook. It is in fact an open wallet, one that can hold hundreds or thousands to lose over a matter of hours. The regulator, phone companies and police are all, "it's not fair" but apply for a refund........(which is proving hard to even get through to the company of course)
I was relatively lucky, as at £260 at least it's the low end of fraud, but it makes me very angry that genuine innovative technology is poorly implemented and leaves open such obvious flaws for sharks to so easily take advantage.
Any suggestions.
Regards
anyone got a view on this?
so is no one interested in letting me know or suggesting a good protocol / technical mechanism that the industry could use to make it necessary for a handset to start using a texting service it must go through a security check with the phone provider....... such as PIN with phone provider, to prevent thieves from setting up via the web and then getting handset going stealing 1000's out of one's account.
The phone company operators are saying they can't do that?
Anyone give me some ammunition to say 'yes you could'?
Please anyone.
I just bought a Samsung Galaxy Player with the intentions of using it as a wifi phone as a replacement for my cell phone.
The main reason for this is I don't like all the tracking going on with cell phones. Cell phone tower tracking, Carrier IQ tracking, etc., etc. I'm not doing anything illegal and I'm not a conspiracy nut, it's just the principle of it. I'm an American - I'm suppose to have freedoms and be able to have my privacy if I so choose.
I had planned on using either Skype with an online phone number or Google Voice to get voice on my Player. The problem with this is Google is going to track every wifi hotspot I log in from so I'm kind of back at square one - EVERYONE wants to spy on you these days. Not to mention all the criminals trying to get personal info at public hot spots.
So I thought about a VPN. That would stop Google/Skype from tracking the wifi hotspot I log in from. But, how does one find a VPN service that you know without a doubt is trustworthy??? I've even thought about getting my own VPS and installing OpenVPN myself (found a good service for that if anyone is interested). But from a true anonymity standpoint it would be better to use a VPN service who has many other customers all using a shared IP. Plus I'll use the same VPN service for my desktop and it would be nice to log into some websites from another countries sometimes.
I've also looked into setting up my own Asterisk server but haven't had time to get too in-depth with that yet.
Any thoughts or ideas would be greatly appreciated.
That's a bit much. I think skype is safe, though.
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VPN and Politics - how secure is it
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VPN:
The miracle solution for corporate users on-the-go.
The solution for political disdents and street movements or "freedom fighters".
The solution for watching what Holywood bosses decided you may not see in Europe or somewhere else.
The solution for downloading what you are not allowed to.
And the fancy list continues.
But have you ever thought that everything has a price, nobody gives something for free without thinking of own profit and that physically, you connection and data must pass a certain server somewhere?
But ...who has access to that server?
Which land host it and how the policy and government of that country affects you?
Well... let's take few examples:
1. Chinese disidents in Hong Kong. Well, if they use F-Secure Freedom VPN, it could be quite good.
F-Secure is locate din Finland, it's a pro NATO and USA partner.
For the chinese disident does not matter if american NSA watches them.
2. Islamists in Europe or somewhere else.
Now F-Secure Freedom VPN could be their capital mistake and last program to use before NSA reacts and ...a ticket to Guantanamo is paid by the USA tax-payers.
3. Normal Europe citizen wanting to watch Country music... well, Nashville and Holliwood bosses are quite restrictive and aware of money losses. Now a good VPN program comes handy, but beware for BSA catching you if your VPN goes via an "ally" of USA. Perhaps vpn servers ouside Europe are better...
But beware of own personal data if VPN program comes from East or Far East and your traffic goes same way...
Conclusion: based on who you are, how you are politically situated in respect to major powers of the world, what you want to do..
Then choose you VPN program and with a good firewall and sniffer watch out what the VPN program wants to access more on your device.
Never trust a VPN program, based on its adverts from producer or comments from internet.
Investigate yourself first, and never trust without deep checking.
With respect,
Zeno Sloim
http://zenosloim.blogspot.com/2014/10/vpn-and-politics-how-secure-is-it.html
How secure are in fact VPN or Red Phone
Article inspired by a PM asking about my thoughts on VPN and Red Phone.
"Hello there! Finally someone who cares about security.
Quote:
Originally Posted by iunlock
Greetings, I've been reading some of your posts and all that info is right up my alley. It's hard to find someone who actually cares about this stuff like I do. Anyhow, I have some questions that you may be able to answer for me. A lot of people I've tried to run this by doesn't have any passion for security so I've only received half "" answers, which is not what I'm seeking.
What do you think about this set up.
1. I use a VPN that claims they don't keep logs on my phone. But who knows...better than nothing? Or are these companies compromised? See if I was the big bad wolf, I'd either create VPN companies to give people options to trick them into thinking they have security with a VPN (illusions) and/or pay VPN companies a dollar amount that they can't refuse for a backdoor...ie...easy access any time to the traffic and data. So what if VPN companies lie about their claims...who's going to tell right? $win-$win situation for big bad wolf and the VPN company that couldn't refuse the $ offered. Interesting eh?
2. Tor/Orweb. Hmm....slow as a dead turtle, but does it really work like they claim? I do see some truth to this though with its concept, but going back to what I said above. $ talks?
3. Password managers like last password, 1 Password etc... again if I was the big bad wolf, would I not be able to make $ talk? Make you think.
4. Secure apps...like jitsi, xabber, encrypted stuff...etc. ..
On the flip side of the coin, there are true security nuts who hate the big bad wolf and a lot of these people are the founders of some of these VPN companies and alike. So there's some comfort in knowing that I assume....also open source stuff is good because they are transparent. No messing around there. Anything funny or fishy would be known for any vulnerability in the app etc....
With all that stuff aside, assuming you did trust the VPN, tor etc....what's the best we can do security wise for our phones?
Well I think using a VPN is a must. Next using gpg to encrypt all emails along with encrypted chat clients. Then the use of tor to proxy your connections like mail, chat, fb, twitter etc....
What are your thoughts?
BTW, I don't use Facebook (Cia / prism) buffet....
I think gpg is the only sure way of true security.
In the real world, having the convenience for non important things makes the use of Gmail and other Google apps convenient.
Never do I ever use any real info for any of these accounts lol.
So the question is....will using a VPN, encrypted email, encrypted chat client, and tor do the trick?
How about the use of redphone app with Google voice on VPN since it uses data and not voice tunnel?
A lot of cool stuff....would love to hear your thoughts.
Cheers"
Hi sorry for so late answer.
Please read my posts on my security blog.
As a guide line:
There is no secure VPN or provider, all depends on your "enemies" or whom are you afraid of. It all depends on who "don't care about you".
And what you want to do.
Everything located on US territory will report in case to US authorities. Same goes for Germany, Russia, China.
Also for smaller countries: Canada, New Zealand, Australia - all will report to UK and USA.
Same for Austria, Finland, Sweden - all will report to USA, UK, Germany.
The closed ties in SIGINT cooperation are 100% same in so-called VPN providers/software.
IMHO it's money waste to pay for VPN. If you want to do something against law.
Respect the laws and ignore VPN.
All above is for private persons.
If enterprise, own physically the VPN server and never trust any 3rd part.
With kind regards
Zeno Sloim
Part 2
Red Phone - bogus for naive people
Any product (hardware or software) produced on German territory HAVE backdoor for German state authorities and Germany SIGINT close partners: USA, UK
Any product made on USA territory has back doors for US state authorities.
The whole Apple FBI encryption scandal was bogus for big public, all Apple products have backdoor.
It's a matter of time for how quickly will authorities know and decrypt your private data "travelling on internet".
Best solution is to try to keep it LOCALLY, as much as possible, by controlling anything going out of your phone.
It's not easy for a normal user.
But use only verified by you, apps.
With regards
Zeno Sloim
Greetings all and Happy Holidays.
Per some fellow XDA users request and also to compliment the great thread "[TUTO] How To Secure Your Phone," by: unclefab, I figured this would help...a thread on VPN.
I am also shocked to not see anything in the security forum about VPN! I did a search and NOTHING.
What is a VPN?
(Virtual Private Network)
A simple search on the web will give you the nitty gritty stuff on what a VPN is, but I'll just lay it out very simply.
A VPN takes your data connection and encrypts it so it protects your data from not only your ISP seeing your traffic, but also from middle man attacks. Say if you were at a cafe connected to their open (unsecured) public WiFi and you did some shopping online, which involved you entering in your credit card number, name, address, etc... Well, it doesn't take much for someone to intercept your sensitive data passing through the cafe's unsecured WiFi connection.
How it works:
Encrypts your Computer's/Phone's data ---> Connects it to your VPN's server (Exit Server) ---> Then it reaches the end destination (website). (Safe Passage)
ie...
Safely passes your Internet Data, through a ---> [TUNNEL] ---> ...that is encrypted so that all your data is not only anonymous, but also protected.
There are may VPN's service providers out there, however, they are not all created equal. I've spent a lot of time researching VPN's and have went to great lengths to find the best of the best. The criteria of what I was looking for is as follows:
Offshore Company. Something outside of the US.
Liked and approved by even the extreme private/security activists.
Reliability and Speed! Some VPN's can be very slow only allowing you to achieve 30-50% of your internet speed at best.
A wide choice of servers.
Able to pay anonymously.
A VPN THAT WORKS ON OUR ANDROID DEVICES!
Some VPN companies have their own Android VPN client, which makes things a breeze. Just launch, connect and violla....all your traffic is now safely tunneled.
For the companies that do not have their own Android VPN client, you'll have to use the app: OpenVPN, which can be a hit or a miss for those on KK 4.4. Let me explain...
When I was on my Note 3 on 4.3, OpenVPN worked flawlessly and my speeds were darn near 100% of my regular LTE speeds even connected to a VPN! Well, once KK 4.4 came around, it completely ruined everything in terms of being able to stay connected. KK 4.4 is and was a nightmare for OpenVPN users. Upgrading from 4.3 to 4.4 was the biggest mistake I have ever made in my Android world. Bottom line, KK 4.4 sucks.
The good news is, there are a few VPN companies that work flawlessly on KK 4.4. I'm using one at the moment and it stays connected just fine with awesome speeds!
Why you should use a VPN:
Well think about. You can go the whole nine yards in securing your phone, which is awesome, but then you'd still be tunneling all that traffic "unencrypted," over the internet .... this is counter-intuitive in every way that you look at it. It's like ordering a BIG MAC Extra value meal and getting a diet coke. I mean really? What's the point? Diet? No matter how you see it, you're going to get fat if you keep eating it and thinking a diet coke is going to take edge off of you getting fat. Sorry, it doesn't work that way....
Imagine a semi-trucks driving down the highway with some completely exposed and some locked and covered. Well you'll obviously be able to see the exposed cargo on all the trucks that are not contained yes? Whereas the ones that are covered and locked, you'd have no clue what's in there. This is how a VPN works....it covers your data/traffic so that no one can see or know what is inside of that container during transit...ie...it provides a safe passage of your data over the internet to the end destination.
Now a VPN will protect your data from point A to the end destination (website.) That website will only be able to see your "exit server," and not your ISP or your location, but of course your data.
Ex: You're in New York connected to the internet using a VPN ----> The VPN server you're connected to is in Texas ---> The website you're visiting is located and hosted in Canada.
In that example, your "encrypted" data/traffic is being routed through Texas and then to Canada where the website is hosted/located. Make sense?
Because you're connecting to a VPN server, this is why you have to know which ones to use so that you can trust your data routing through their servers. Not all VPN companies are created equal!
If you're interested to know which VPN's are best in general and for our Android devices, PM me and I'll share with you my research. I don't want to advertise anything on here to be in compliance with the forum rules.
I hope this helps!
To be continued....
You forgot to tell the data is not encrypted by the VPN between it's server and the website's server, you are only moving a problem from place A to place B. It may be better for you if this is what you are looking for but it doesn't add that much security.
How a VPN works : Your device data is encrypted FIRST, it leaves your device and goes to the VPN's server, it is DECRYPTED, and then it is relayed to the server you were trying to contact. Your data is less traceable but you're not anonymous, the VPN provider knows who you are and your DNS provider may still know what you are looking at if you the device leak DNS requests.
Your guide is missing details, anonymity and security is not easy and trying to simplify it too much you lost important parts users should not forget.
Regards
Magissia said:
You forgot to tell the data is not encrypted by the VPN between it's server and the website's server, you are only moving a problem from place A to place B. It may be better for you if this is what you are looking for but it doesn't add that much security.
How a VPN works : Your device data is encrypted FIRST, it leaves your device and goes to the VPN's server, it is DECRYPTED, and then it is relayed to the server you were trying to contact. Your data is less traceable but you're not anonymous, the VPN provider knows who you are and your DNS provider may still know what you are looking at if you the device leak DNS requests.
Your guide is missing details, anonymity and security is not easy and trying to simplify it too much you lost important parts users should not forget.
Regards
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Misleading? I think you need to re-read the post. Here let me help you:
"A VPN takes your data connection and encrypts it so it protects your data from not only your ISP seeing your traffic, but also from middle man attacks. Say if you were at a cafe connected to their open (unsecured) public WiFi and you did some shopping online, which involved you entering in your credit card number, name, address, etc... Well, it doesn't take much for someone to intercept your sensitive data passing through the cafe's unsecured WiFi connection."
"Now a VPN will protect your data from point A to the end destination (website.) That website will only be able to see your "exit server," and not your ISP or your location, but of course your data."
"Ex: You're in New York connected to the internet using a VPN ----> The VPN server you're connected to is in Texas ---> The website you're visiting is located and hosted in Canada."
So you're going to argue the fact that a VPN wouldn't be affective in a cafe scenario like the example I've given in the post?
Any additional information is appreciated, but please don't come in here saying that it's misleading....
THE FACT IS...YOU'RE BETTER OFF WITH A VPN, than WITHOUT ONE. PERIOD.
It's about trust, the VPN server can do the middle man attack itself or one could do it somewhere between the VPN's server and the final destination.
Of course you're better with a VPN most of the time, but it's important to clearly state it's not captain america's shield neither. It's important to clearly tell at all cost that the data is encrypted only between you and the VPN's server.
Best regards.
The only way to ensure you are safe from MITM is to use end to end encryption, like SSL/TLS (https). Even if the MITM is using sslstrip, you'll be able to tell by the security popup in your browser when it asks you to trust the connection (which you shouldn't...)
VPN is useful for protecting you from someone sniffing the airwaves on an open network or for accessing services behind a firewalled network. (Like SMB/Windows File Sharing).
Like Magissa said, it isn't captain America's shield, and don't be fooled by a false sense of security. You have to trust the VPN provider, and it would be pretty easy for one to sniff your traffic or read logs...
iunlock said:
Greetings all and Happy Holidays.
Per some fellow XDA users request and also to compliment the great thread "[TUTO] How To Secure Your Phone," by: unclefab, I figured this would help...a thread on VPN.
I am also shocked to not see anything in the security forum about VPN! I did a search and NOTHING.
What is a VPN?
(Virtual Private Network)
A simple search on the web will give you the nitty gritty stuff on what a VPN is, but I'll just lay it out very simply.
A VPN takes your data connection and encrypts it so it protects your data from not only your ISP seeing your traffic, but also from middle man attacks. Say if you were at a cafe connected to their open (unsecured) public WiFi and you did some shopping online, which involved you entering in your credit card number, name, address, etc... Well, it doesn't take much for someone to intercept your sensitive data passing through the cafe's unsecured WiFi connection.
How it works:
Encrypts your Computer's/Phone's data ---> Connects it to your VPN's server (Exit Server) ---> Then it reaches the end destination (website). (Safe Passage)
ie...
Safely passes your Internet Data, through a ---> [TUNNEL] ---> ...that is encrypted so that all your data is not only anonymous, but also protected.
There are may VPN's service providers out there, however, they are not all created equal. I've spent a lot of time researching VPN's and have went to great lengths to find the best of the best. The criteria of what I was looking for is as follows:
Offshore Company. Something outside of the US.
Liked and approved by even the extreme private/security activists.
Reliability and Speed! Some VPN's can be very slow only allowing you to achieve 30-50% of your internet speed at best.
A wide choice of servers.
Able to pay anonymously.
A VPN THAT WORKS ON OUR ANDROID DEVICES!
Some VPN companies have their own Android VPN client, which makes things a breeze. Just launch, connect and violla....all your traffic is now safely tunneled.
For the companies that do not have their own Android VPN client, you'll have to use the app: OpenVPN, which can be a hit or a miss for those on KK 4.4. Let me explain...
When I was on my Note 3 on 4.3, OpenVPN worked flawlessly and my speeds were darn near 100% of my regular LTE speeds even connected to a VPN! Well, once KK 4.4 came around, it completely ruined everything in terms of being able to stay connected. KK 4.4 is and was a nightmare for OpenVPN users. Upgrading from 4.3 to 4.4 was the biggest mistake I have ever made in my Android world. Bottom line, KK 4.4 sucks.
The good news is, there are a few VPN companies that work flawlessly on KK 4.4. I'm using one at the moment and it stays connected just fine with awesome speeds!
Why you should use a VPN:
Well think about. You can go the whole nine yards in securing your phone, which is awesome, but then you'd still be tunneling all that traffic "unencrypted," over the internet .... this is counter-intuitive in every way that you look at it. It's like ordering a BIG MAC Extra value meal and getting a diet coke. I mean really? What's the point? Diet? No matter how you see it, you're going to get fat if you keep eating it and thinking a diet coke is going to take edge off of you getting fat. Sorry, it doesn't work that way....
Imagine a semi-trucks driving down the highway with some completely exposed and some locked and covered. Well you'll obviously be able to see the exposed cargo on all the trucks that are not contained yes? Whereas the ones that are covered and locked, you'd have no clue what's in there. This is how a VPN works....it covers your data/traffic so that no one can see or know what is inside of that container during transit...ie...it provides a safe passage of your data over the internet to the end destination.
Now a VPN will protect your data from point A to the end destination (website.) That website will only be able to see your "exit server," and not your ISP or your location, but of course your data.
Ex: You're in New York connected to the internet using a VPN ----> The VPN server you're connected to is in Texas ---> The website you're visiting is located and hosted in Canada.
In that example, your "encrypted" data/traffic is being routed through Texas and then to Canada where the website is hosted/located. Make sense?
Because you're connecting to a VPN server, this is why you have to know which ones to use so that you can trust your data routing through their servers. Not all VPN companies are created equal!
If you're interested to know which VPN's are best in general and for our Android devices, PM me and I'll share with you my research. I don't want to advertise anything on here to be in compliance with the forum rules.
I hope this helps!
To be continued....
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which is the best VPN to use?
I've installed OpenVPN for Android and it works fine.
[VPN (Virtual Private Network) and why you should use it if you're serious ab...
TheMoroccan said:
which is the best VPN to use?
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There's no concrete answer to that question. Your best bet is to use a VPN provider that's based outside of your country, preferably one that is less likely to corporate with your local law enforcement.
Agreed. Out of country, away from your government's reach... There are some offshore server farms in countries with lax laws... Those are usually tax havens also. Research
snapper.fishes said:
There's no concrete answer to that question. Your best bet is to use a VPN provider that's based outside of your country, preferably one with a less likely to corporate with your local law enforcement.
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Thanks bro for the info.