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Hi guys,
I was a long xda owner, got almost all xda models from the first til magician and find it really addictive. But I was wondering since wm2005 won't come out for my magician, not the official one at least so i decided to switch to smartphones. But i really have some humps in this matter. well these are the questions i sum up for u guys kind enough to answer and thanks in advance:
1. What are the main advantage of pocketpc phone over smartphone (beside the touch screen) word and excel (since i never use them anyways)
2. whats the best smartphone to date (i live in asia btw) and its gotta be windows mobile 5 oh and with camera at least 1.3mp and i dont really care if its qvga or anything, just want it small size oh, and if possible not silver please (my mini gets easily corroted since i live in bangkok or jakarta - both are high humid places)
3. Is this a wise decision? my main reason of switching was mainly because of the size (even mini is too big and heavy for me) and now most of the time i never use the stylus and use my finger instead to navigate, or sometimes the buttons.. i really need a one-handed operational device.
thanks for your input guys, i will decide based on your comments. thanks again
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1. more cpu juice and more ram and more applications i guess
2. check out Tornado forum it seem to have much of youre requirements
3. different people different needs different tastes different answers to this question
hey rudegar, thanks for your opinion, yeah i'm looking at tornado right now, but unfortunately its not yet available here in asia, well bangkok... and well different opinions, thats why i created this thread, to know what u think of it, like whats ur opinion if u are given 2 devices, one pocket pc and one smartphone, they both are equally priced the main difference is size or touch screen. For the application, yes I believe that pocket pc has much more apps than smartphones but have anyone ever used them all, I mean productive apps, most pocketpc users uses almost the applications that smartphones also has? well except for games but right now my opinion smartphone has more advantage to its brother, pocket pc. Do I hear other voices? can I be proven wrong about this? thanks you guys...
::adit
I am waiting for the Tornado too. It isn't out anywhere yet and no set release date but people say next month.
well i would get a pocketpc phone over a smartphone because the only cellphone i ever had which were not a pocketpc was a really really really old motorola which dident even have t9
and some programs i know i cant get for smartphones like the hp48 emulator which i love very much so i dont have to carry around my old hp48 as well
so basicly a touchscreen is important for me and
a big screen is also nice
but i dont really know much about the tonado apart from it's spcs which look pretty sweet
I think the difference is that the XDA range are Primarily Pocket PC's with phone functions tagged on, and in many cases, not too well. Whereas a Smartphone is primarily a phone with Pocket PC features.
I think the difference is that the XDA range are Primarily Pocket PC's with phone functions tagged on, and in many cases, not too well. Whereas a Smartphone is primarily a phone with Pocket PC features.
Hi cruisin-thru,
Yes, I believe everyone knows that at the moment, but with microsoft renaming both to be "windows mobile" so i think they're getting to a point where theres no difference between both except for the touch screen (usability) and not the OS or application (functionality). Well as we all know, it quite far from it, but at this moment, u can find most of ppc apps in the smartphone, or similar to it with same functions. Oh btw, i checked out HTC tornado.. its a nice piece of hardware but I didn't like the model for the 'm' or normal version thanks guys...
::adit
The Tornado can also run Pocket PC apps if im correct, but they won't work
perfectly cause of the absence of a touchscreen.
I have to say this, I own a MDA Compact (Qtek S100 ) for almost 6
months now.... and since I bought a W800i to just use as cameraphone, I
haven't touched my MDA Compact. It felt like a huge relieve to finally use
a REAL phone again. I can't explain it, it's just a feeling. Everything feels so
much stable and logical. With the MDA Compact I have a continous feeling
that it could crash any second although that has NEVER happened before. I
had a S60 smartphone before this PPC, but if I ever buy another
smartphone, it'll be something like the Tornado. I made the mistake to be
obsessed by specs and forget about quality. Yeaah, the Wizard will have
WIFI, 2.0MP camera, MP3 player, etc. But this doesn't mean it will work
perfectly or deliver great quality. The W800i's camera is truely amazing,
the MP3 playback kills my MDA Compact's, etc.
Btw does someone know if the smartphone version of WM5.0 again has this
horrible thing that apps don't close and have to be closed by using the
taskmanager?
if the other smartphone versions work that way i would say yes
ms dident announce any changes of such nature with 2005
that i know off anyway
It makes sense to keep the program active for fast switching and is great when multitasking, however it makes no sense when you take into account the memory constraints. It would be nice if the option to exit or minimise to background was an option.
so what does everyone think is the best Pocket PC device at the moment? Features... Memory... CPU... etc
I put Pocket PC, because i want one that will fit in my Pocket!
That's a pretty subjective question. Even if you were to name the device with the latest and greatest hardware, the software/firmware/ROM has a huge impact on the device's overall performance. Since you're obviously not a newbie here, you probably already know that. I can't tell you the best, I can only tell you my favorite: Kaiser. Even with the video issues (which should hopefully be addressed soon) it seems to be the most feature-rich device. It will soon be trumped by other devices of course, but not until at least the 2nd half of this year when they are scheduled for release.
small list
let me put a small list of the best hardware ppc on the market right now;
kaiser,asus p750,hp 614 c, each one of them has its own small negative issues.
ppc-doc
i've been looking at the Kaiser for a while, but i was under the impression it had been around for a long time... was wondering if anything had superseeded it?
Kaiser was out less than half a year ago.
Kaiser is a great device...but when you're moving from Artemis - don't expect the same long batterylife.....everything else is great imo....
I like the Prophet with wm6.1. It's fast, looks good and has a couple of features crucial to me: standard SD card support so I can swap cards with my camera etc, separate audio jack.
Since you didnt mention if you need phone(), I would go for ipaq 210+$100 phone combo
kdskamal said:
Since you didnt mention if you need phone(), I would go for ipaq 210+$100 phone combo
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lol, yeh i dnt think i could cope with two divices
I'm not worried about battery life, i usually end up charging my Artemis in the car on the way to work and on the way home, total of 2 hours lol.
Cheers for the recomendations!
sooo...
There still seems to be no answer here to this. Even with the HTC touch pro that I have my eye on. There are obviously a multitude of devices out there.. heck the exeda which I am excited and leary of.
http://www.exedamobile.com/web/
But anyone have any educated opinions of the best ppc device atm.
I love my kaiser. And of course money restricts me from moving up. but its a good thing. More time for research.
In the end. I expect to end up with a netbook with a cell adaptor.
@frankbot,
Here's a recent poll voted by the xda members:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446362
Touch HD
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Enough Said.
HTC Universal
Nothing better!!
Here a thread responding your question
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446362
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Touch HD
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Enough Said.
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I agree! +1
Such a matter of personal preference...
You have to ask yourself things like
how much do I value screen size
how much do I value a keyboard
do I need a dpad to do what I like to do?
do I need 3g?
am I buying unlocked?
do I need a long battery life?
Definatly the samsung epix
this phone is great just got it today, it has wifi, 2mp camera, 150 ram, micro sd slot, a huge battery, full qwerty keyboard, the first phone with a optical mouse in it, a touch screen, windows mobile 6.1, 320 x 320 pixels screen, and to top it off a very fast 624 MHz processor. best phone ive ever had
After spending much time searching your forums (my goodness you're all so knowledgeable and generous!) I haven't been able to quite answer my questions. I am in dire need of a phone as my crappy motorola is on it's last legs (we're talking buttons falling off, the works) so I've decided to spend some actual money on a decent phone. I've looked around for a while now and have been lusting after the Tilt for some time now. I would have to buy an unlocked one as I am on the T-mobile network and soon moving to Canada and switching to yet another network. My worry, however, is that I've heard and read some really terrible things about the Tilt. RLoD anyone? So while I am very drawn to it, I need a reliable phone, not one that craps out a couple months after I drop $500 on it. The numbers of malfunctioning Tilts/Tytn IIs seem quite high or am I wrong?
I've come to you, oh wise ones, seeking your counsel learned from many hours of alternately cursing and lauding the HTC name, no doubt.
I need a phone that offers me some productivity, email, messaging, multimedia (mostly, I'd like to be able to listen to music). It must have wifi. I would prefer it not drive me to putting my head through a wall. It would be nice if it had a gps receiver (like the Tilt and the N95) as I would like to run garmin mobile on it but could deal with using an external receiver on the Wing, if it turned out to be the best phone for me.
The reason I love the Tilt and Wing models is primarily the keyboard and touch screen. However, the problems people are having with HTC products have left me quite leery of buying one of their phones. Which is why I was also looking at the N95, most of it's reviews have been favourable although the learning curve to get it to the right level of productivity with 3rd party apps seems steeper. I've had Nokia phones before though- those Finnish build for Vikings, I guess. Never had one of those crap out on me.
Anyhow, I've rambled enough. Any advice or information you might want to throw at me would be appreciated. Thank you so much
My thoughts....
Given what you are after, I would stay with the Wing or Tilt. While I don't own a Tilt, I have used it a fair amount and I can see where reliability could be an issue. If that is a concern, the Wing (or Herald / P4350) has proven to be a very reliable phone (passed my "Wife" test ). It does not have built in GPS or 3G and the processor is slower, but I think you would be happy with it.
I hate the N95. It is a good (not as good as I expected from the "Carl Z" lens and 5MP) camera, good music player and good reception phone, but most of the other functions suck - IMO. The two way slider drives me crazy because if you accidentally slide open the media controls the screen goes to landscape and the only way to change it back is to slide the keypad section up and then back down.
Personally I like the Touch XL (Elfin). It is SOOO much smaller and lighter than the Tilt and Wing and really the only thing you loose from the Wing is the hard keyboard. There are some great soft keyboards avail. for the Touch that allow me to type just as fast on it as my other devices with the keyboard. Take a look at some of them that I have customized in my signature, for example.
Good luck!
You know, I haven't looked too much at the Touch models. I suppose I just figured if I was willing to go the soft keyboard route, I would take my chances with an unlocked iPhone. I figured I would either get my qwerty keyboard or give it up entirely. There seem to be a few variations of the Touch, and you recommend the XL? I shall have to do some research.
The camera features on the phones are the lowest on my list of needs. More of a bonus than a necessity. Nokia has splashed the Carl Zeiss name all over those N Series phones but at the end of the day, a camera phone is a phone, not a dedicated camera and will always fall short for me as I play with dSLRs, so most of the time I just don't bother with the camera on my phone.
Tilt.........
There have been several threads on this...
in a nutshell, if you need great multimedia / (even 3d hardware accelerated) gaming / call recording / camera / a great phone / being light and small, get the N95. If you need Windows Mobile / a touchscreen / a strcitly built-in keyboard and don't need gaming / multimedia / a good camera / call recoridng capabilities etc. and the much higher weight isn't a problem either, get the Kaiser.
I myself would go for the N95 but that's just because I already have the iPAQ 214 as a WinMo handheld (with which the N95 works together very well) and I use the MM features and the camera (which is just great) of the N95 a lot. But that's me.
I realize there have been several threads on this, but what wasn't fully addressed was the reliability issue. There were more than a few threads on this very site that made the Kaiser sound like a rather lovely, briefly useful, piece of crap.
I suppose I'm wondering how likely it is to die on me (I really haven't been able to find out anything solid on how many/often they malfunction) and for those people that did have it die on them, why did you keep going back for more?
The reason the Wing was in the running (in spite of not having all the featues of the Tilt) is that I haven't read of any huge reliability issue with it as with the Tilt.
So I suppose my question is being posed to those people who have had problems. Would you actually still recommend this phone? (If there is somewhere else I should have posted this, please let me know).
Hey guys,
Although I am not among you, I think it would be extremely helpful/eye-opening to conduct a poll of all current HTC Touch Pro owners who have had their device for enough time to make an initial assessment of the device's quality. That means probably at least a week--but use your own discretion. Just a few suggested guidelines:
Don't let the initial euphoria blur your judgment
Think for a few moments before submitting a vote
Compare, if possible, the quality of the device to, say, that of an iPhone, if you've ever owned one or used it extensively, to provide a point of reference.
I look forward to hearing everyone's input!
-Steve
I think it would be helpful if you clarified what you mean by "device quality". Hardware, software, reception, screen, input, battery, performance, etc. Maybe you're asking for "all of the above", but at least it would help people approach it catagorically -- that way people can speak to specific things that have made an impression on them.
It's the best i've used, and the best there is on the market at this moment. I've shut off TF3D though and replaced it with Mobile Shell. Now using it with great pleasure.
With the exception of the "sleeve" and somewhat slow GPS, I am very pleased with my TP.
Great device, and i bet there is more to come with some updates in the near future. That's the reason I voted Above Avarage.
As far as functionality goes, it has all I want: telephone, mail, internet and navigation. Next to that there is a lot of software out there.
A few quircks here and there ofcourse. Like almost instant fixes with Google Maps...and 15 to 20 minutes GPS fixing time with Tom Tom 7.
Battery life could be better as well
I would have liked to add some today plugins into TF3D, or be able to add new tabs
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I think it would be helpful if you clarified what you mean by "device quality". Hardware, software, reception, screen, input, battery, performance, etc. Maybe you're asking for "all of the above", but at least it would help people approach it catagorically -- that way people can speak to specific things that have made an impression on them.
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Yeah; I was thinking about doing a categorical breakdown, but in the end, that would have taken a lot of polls.
I hope this is sufficient.
two big problems:
1. battery consumption
2. signal reception
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Yeah; I was thinking about doing a categorical breakdown, but in the end, that would have taken a lot of polls.
I hope this is sufficient.
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Well, maybe not with the poll, but at least for any comments. I mean everyone has different needs and expectations for the device so it'll be hard to judge the poll accurately without seeing some objective testimony.
But what am I babbling about, here's some of my thoughts:
- Not the most solid handheled device I've had (my old iPaq hx4700 was a tank), but it comes very close and is definitely not a cheap build. Better than the Blackjack and some Blackberries, but I haven't spent very much time with those and I certainly don't know how well the TPro's build will last over time.
- WM6.1 isn't perfect, but then XDA is very active. Plus there are apps for just about anything you need. I spent some time with a Nokia N800, and while it's nice that Maemo is (almost) completely open-source -- which makes for an equally active community -- you're plain out of luck if no one is developing something you need. Namely, the software probably exists on standard Linux distros, but very little of it has been ported to Maemo. This is the same reason I decided not to jump on the Android bandwagon right away.
- Finally, I now have one device that does everything I needed my old devices to do. US phone (Nokia 6300), Japan phone (SE W43S), electronic dictionary (hx4700), internet device (hx4700/N800), mp3 player.
- Same observations as others: GPS is laggy, though not really an issue since I only use it as a pedestrian; battery life isn't impressive. I will probably buy a USB battery pack later.
So far v.happy, just need to solve the backlight issue when in call, and the Sim contacts list.
I've had my TP for almost 3 weeks now - it was one of the first on the market. I have used HTC qwerty based devices for several years now and this is by far the best device. I dearly loved my Tytn II but the hardware in this device is much better.
I own a 3G iPhone also and while this device is definitely a joy to use it is far from ever replacing my TP as my preference business device.
I decided to continue to run the 3D flow against other utilities but it's far from perfect - however developed with the correct user feedback it will be a great tool.
While 6.1 runs quite smoothly on the device the interface obviously lets the device down. I also have had a few lockups but no more than other devices.
The battery is pretty shocking to be honest. I use a scheduler to shut down BT and even the radio stack at night to preserve battery but to be honest if I were going away for anymore that 24 hours I would have to take a charger.
GPS has has been quick to locate a signal but I've encountered issues with TT6 \ and or Googlemaps. I currently run IGO8 and it runs very well.
Finally this device has a half-decent web browser on it - Opera mobile is great. IE mobile is a shambles.
Micro SD is essential - currently running an 8GB card with all my music, apps and vids. No idea why they left it off the Diamond - crazy in my opinion.
If anyone has any quick questions I'd be happy to answer them.
I was hoping by going with a non-American device (which has three times the processor of its American counterparts), I would have a more stable device. Overall, best phone I've ever had. A little disappointed that I need to soft reset every couple of days.
Don't regret it...leaps and bounds over my previous device.
Wow guys, thanks a ton for the feedback so far. This is extremely informative stuff to all of us prospective buyers. Personally, I'll be getting the phone through our Sprint corporate account, but as with everything that's a significant investment I have been trying to read up as much as possible on it beforehand to accurately set my expectations and prepare myself for problems that will need to be solved.
I use SPB Mobile Shell on my Mogul right now, and while I like it, I love the flair of TouchFlo3D... I just hope it is equally useful and quick (so far to that end it seems to be not quite as useful). I think I will try replacing the default contact manager on my Pro with Finger-Friendly Friends provided that will work all right. I also hope that the US release a month or so from now will see additional improvements in terms of software stability and speed (though probably not battery life).
Apart from that, I'm quite excited about everything I have read about the device. And I've always been a sucker for statistics, so having a poll on such an educated and active forum is of remarkable interest.
-Steve
The best device that I ever owned.
Like others I´m having some troubles with the GPS (reception time) and other issues like the screen going of of on a call.
So far I kinda like it.
Nevertheless I'll vote in the pole and give a complete feedback as soon as HTC repairs it (I have a sound problem...)
Hows the sound quality of the internal speaker?
Greetings
LordK
The only problem of the internal speaker is that the volume is a little bit low (compared to my colleagues' blackberrys)
Rated it Above Average!
I am using the TP for 2 weeks now. I've experienced the 'broken glass' screen and the grey-screen once.
The device is pretty quick and TF3D works nice although there are some moment when it does something completely different than what i wanted it to do.
Issues i like to see solved:
- Album cover view in TF3D music tab
- Fix for lag with TomTom
- Battery usage
Things I love:
- Memory
- Speed
- Screen
- Keyboard
I've had mine 3 weeks so far, upgrading from my beloved HTC Universal. It's a great machine but I'm not blind to it's faults, I Like Touch Flo a lot but it's just a thin layer over old ugly windows mobile.
As powerful as it is it just isn't as responsive as an iPhone, way too sluggish, expect the usual windows mobile pauses and spinning wait cursor.
The screen is too small, I liked my big screened Universal but the screen is such high quality it goes some way to making up for being small (it really is crisp).
The keyboard is ok but it's a thumbboard, I won't be knocking out the emails I used to on it. The slide action is distinctly wobbly to me, not bad, but not the decisive slide movement I expected. The onscreen keyboard is surprisingly usable much more so than the bigger IPhone one.
Memory is fantastic, loads of it, I never bother shutting things down which I was always doing on the universal.
Lockups, yup a disappointing number but a definate improvement on the universal.
GPS, not really a problem, it seems fast, but as far as I can see tomtom5 doesn't initialise the built in gps reciever so I start googlemaps, get a fast lock then switch to tomtom I notice tomtom6 has an option for built in GPS.
Lack of headphone socket is a crazy omission, it's driving me crazy and was almost a factor in not buying it, it's only 10 quid for an adaptor but just something else to carry.
The opera browser is pretty good and responsive but the icons it uses are way too chunky considering the screen is so small, talking of chunky, the menus are all pretty huge, I found how to make the start menu smaller but most menus now eg messaging, need arrows at the top and bottom to scroll the duplo vision menus into place. Also needed a hack to get googlemail working and is so small that almost every site needs a zoom to read it whereas I found I could read a lot of sites on the iPhone without zooming.
I also hate the mini sd card being hidden inside the case, it makes changing cards a pain, I'd also rather have an sd card, for the sake of a little bit bigger unit.
I never considered the IPhone because it has no physical keyboard and it was unable to run GotoMyPC but the difference between the IPhone and the Touch Pro is responsiveness, given it's a more powerful machine it's a damning indictment of windows mobile that it's so sluggish.
I just hope that there's an Android rom released for the Raphael. I'll be getting the ATT Touch Pro (or is it still considered the 'Fuze'?) when it's available as I've been drooling over the TP for a long time now. I'll deal with WM6.1 as long as I have to, but I really like Android, and would switch to it in a heartbeat.
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Vote 1 from me
Touch flow is nothing to write home about either.
using people favorites and Active Sync hates the photos you asign to them so that becomes a waste of time.
hi there,
i have xda exec with wm5 on i would like to upgrade it how can i do it?
and what version of firmware can i put on it?
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hi there,
i have xda exec with wm5 on i would like to upgrade it how can i do it?
and what version of firmware can i put on it?
current version is os5.1.795 build 14847.2.0.0
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You could start by reading Wiki section for Universal, aka XDA Exec, it's an excellent, well written resource and has all the information you could possibly need and all the answers to the questions you could possibly have.
The ROMs you might be interested in can be found in their corresponding sections on this forum, each will have a description and list of things included, as well as comments by other members on performance, problems encountered and solutions.
enigma1nz said:
You could start by reading Wiki section for Universal, aka XDA Exec, it's an excellent, well written resource and has all the information you could possibly need and all the answers to the questions you could possibly have.
The ROMs you might be interested in can be found in their corresponding sections on this forum, each will have a description and list of things included, as well as comments by other members on performance, problems encountered and solutions.
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Hi Enigma1nz,
I was just wondering the other day if you had left us, coz ive not heard of you for a while. Did you get a 128 upgrade?
Regards
Jay
responderman said:
Hi Enigma1nz,
I was just wondering the other day if you had left us, coz ive not heard of you for a while. Did you get a 128 upgrade?
Regards
Jay
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I am here, of course, where else would I be, hehe. I had my 128Mb for a while, just nothing new came out lately and I resorted to the best combination of ROM+SPB MS3.5+Opera10b and other bits and pieces, the trick was to find the combo where everything worked. Besides, I purchased a semi-broken LG KS20 running WM6.1 and played with that for a while - not bad, especially considering 128/256, but still a far cry from Uni.
Not sure where the Uni is heading now, but it is starting to fade out a bit. I renewed my contract with t-mobile last year and I took a G1 the andriod based machine. Well its good but.......just not got that something that makes a great machine. its got all the features to make it a great machine, and it does as its told, but it spends more time on the side than with a sim card in it. which Rom have you settled with in the end? I liked tomals 8.71, its well finished and it all works. its a shame SRS wow doesn't work on it, coz I like that prog a lot.
Regards
Jay
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Not sure where the Uni is heading now, but it is starting to fade out a bit. I renewed my contract with t-mobile last year and I took a G1 the andriod based machine. Well its good but.......just not got that something that makes a great machine. its got all the features to make it a great machine, and it does as its told, but it spends more time on the side than with a sim card in it. which Rom have you settled with in the end? I liked tomals 8.71, its well finished and it all works. its a shame SRS wow doesn't work on it, coz I like that prog a lot.
Regards
Jay
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The thing about SPB MS, as I mentioned more times than I care to be reminded ofmad, is that it removed the necessity for a flash looking ROM, so pretty much any Vanilla is fine, even WM5, if one is keen to keep VC. I had a great time with Tomal's 8-series, in particular 8.2, 8.5 and 8.9, but there were other conflicts, especially with Opera betas, I really liked the look of 10 and it appeared to be somewhat less problematic compatibility-wise than 9.5 and I didn't like 9.7. So once the Opera issue was settled - the rest was a smooth sailing.
As far as SRS WOW is concerned - Tomal's 8.2 was the last version it was running on i think...(have to check on that, not 100%), for other ROMs there is a patched Tomal's version.
I would dearly love for HTC to reconsider the return of the same form factor and size (funny, how so many people were against it in the first place) with updated specs to handle the pressure. Would be a winner for me. These days I tell everyone I have a MINI NETBOOK!!!! with touch screen/pad fold/phone capabilities and they want to cry with envy. All it needs is Shift's specs.
The unfortunate news for those keen on WM7 is that the platform will not support anything made for its predecessors, rendering pretty much everything done so far obsolete within a very short period of time. Only limited support for 6.5 will be offered by Microsoft.
enigma1nz said:
I would dearly love for HTC to reconsider the return of the same form factor and size (funny, how so many people were against it in the first place) with updated specs to handle the pressure. Would be a winner for me. These days I tell everyone I have a MINI NETBOOK!!!! with touch screen/pad fold/phone capabilities and they want to cry with envy. All it needs is Shift's specs.
The unfortunate news for those keen on WM7 is that the platform will not support anything made for its predecessors, rendering pretty much everything done so far obsolete within a very short period of time. Only limited support for 6.5 will be offered by Microsoft.
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Its funny how a different discription will sell an object. I was a joiner for my main job, and I was fitting a lady's window and she didn't want me to secure it with screws. she wanted it nailing in (lord knows why) anyway I told her I would secure it with threaded steel dowls (screws) and she was over the moon. so your mini notebook idea doesn't supprise me at all.
I gave up on spb ms as it eats a 64 mb memory to much, but I have plans to upgrade the memory so will go back to it. I recon HTC are following fashon with their phones, they all are the same thing, and one day we may end up with a return to the notebook style. I once bought a wvga tosheba 900, it was the worst pda I have ever owned. It wouldn't even play a video well, so I got a refund. So here I stay with my Uni and my Athena (now that is a big PDA) I seem to remember not having much joy with the srs wow patch, it did funny things to the camera and sound.
Regards
Jay
responderman said:
Its funny how a different discription will sell an object. I was a joiner for my main job, and I was fitting a lady's window and she didn't want me to secure it with screws. she wanted it nailing in (lord knows why) anyway I told her I would secure it with threaded steel dowls (screws) and she was over the moon. so your mini notebook idea doesn't supprise me at all.
I gave up on spb ms as it eats a 64 mb memory to much, but I have plans to upgrade the memory so will go back to it. I recon HTC are following fashon with their phones, they all are the same thing, and one day we may end up with a return to the notebook style. I once bought a wvga tosheba 900, it was the worst pda I have ever owned. It wouldn't even play a video well, so I got a refund. So here I stay with my Uni and my Athena (now that is a big PDA) I seem to remember not having much joy with the srs wow patch, it did funny things to the camera and sound.
Regards
Jay
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True, I gave up on SRS WOW altogether, actually, the best ROM that worked with EVERYTHING was Tomal's 8.2, can't remember now why I wanted to move to 8.9 so much. Yep, with 128Mb SPB MS is a beauty and if my Uni didn't get enough attention from my friends, it sure does now with all the touch movements and screens shifting, haha. I got it fitted with an iPhone screen protector, took a bit of cutting to size, it's very glossy, so looks very close to those modern netbook screens, the protector is something like $1.20 for a pack of 3 and I don't peel the outer layer off right away, so use it for a few weeks until it gets mucked up, then peel it off to reveal the proper smooth protector underneath, that one lasts for ages and you can't even see it on.
P.S. Would love to lay my hands on Athena... Might advertise for a broken one, always wanted a Shift or similar, don't care about the size, just can't afford the price.
Forgot to mention. HTC is in the middle of court case. Apple is suing for partial Android copyright infringements. Should've gone after Google, really, but HTC is a much easier and smaller target.
enigma1nz said:
Forgot to mention. HTC is in the middle of court case. Apple is suing for partial Android copyright infringements. Should've gone after Google, really, but HTC is a much easier and smaller target.
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That is interesting news, I will watch out for that one.
I bought my Athena off Ebay in one of those rash moments, and once I bid I had that "oh ****, what have I done" moments. I remember all day I was wishing to be out bid, but fat chance. but they are dropping in price like a stone now. They are the dogs do-dah's of PDA's and spoil you for screen size, so now the Universal looks quite small screened to me now. The BIG problem with them is the phone, you cant use them to the ear coz they only work on speaker and if anyone is near then they hear the lot, so its bluetooth all the way. most of us use the LG style-I. Its a pen size thing that looks and works like a tiny phone, and leve the Athena in its large pocket or bag. Another great thing is you can plug into the telly, and with a bluetooth keyboard surf the net or watch your films on the big screen. Even the mighty Athena is getting old hat now though, but its down to what you need at the end of the day.
Jay