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Hi all,
Almost everytime I check the forum I see a lot of rom upgrade & BIG Storage questions. Apparently not everyone is familiar with the wiki and search options on the board. That's a shame cause almost all the questions are answered in the already existing threads. So why a new thread about the same topic?
1. I'm chauvinistic and want my name on the board ;-)
2. To aggregate a part of my knowledge in one place for easy access.
3. To promote the wiki
- So if you tried to upgrade your rom and got an error 120: follow this description http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=MagicianRomUpgrade
- If you failed in upgrading your rom somehow & now you're stuck in the bootloader: just make sure usb connections are allowed in Active Sync, connect your magician with usb to your PC and run the rom upgrade program again.
Sometimes it helps at this stage to downgrade ActiveSync to version 3.8 (see the post from benenglish).
- If you need to go to bootloader for any reason (including incorrect rom upgrade) press 'camera, power and soft-reset' all at the same time for some seconds, till your screen fades and reads: Serial V1.0x. When you connect it to usb it should read ' usb V1.0x
- If you want to change the language from your magician (not including from or to Greek, cause those roms and devices are protected), just use http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=MagicianRomUpgrade again.
- If you want to flash your magician with a charmer or any other rom, please don't you will loose your device when you kill your bootloader and that's very likely to happen while flashing a not suitable rom.
- Want a WWE BIG Storage rom the easy way? Follow http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=MagicianRomUpgrade and download ftp://xda:[email protected]_NK.nbf/BIG_Storage_nk_for_rom_1.13WWE.zip This NK.nbf is patched for BIG Storage, you only need to put it in the directory with the extracted shipped-rom.
- Want a BIG Storage rom in any language the easy way? Download a shipped-rom from the ftp or any telco and follow http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=MagicianRomUpgrade
- Want to get BIG Storage via a SD Card flash, read it here http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=MagicianSDflash
- Don't know what BIG Storage is? It is your ext-rom (with the operator customization cabs) exchanged for a larger internal Storage folder. So remember to backup those cabs before upgrading.
- When you want to revert from BIG Storage to the original Storage and ext-rom combination, make sure you put > 8MB data in your Storage folder before flashing it back with a normal rom. Otherwise you'll loose your Storage folder completely :-(. Seems that this might be a solution & doesn't work for everyone. Try it if reverting with empty \Storage folder isn't successful.
Any questions left, I guess so. Now don't be scared and put them on the board, nobody is going to eat you (at least not straight away) and someone will answer.
But remember that when this topic is still visible in the first page of this board I will probably stop answering new threads about BIG Storage and rom upgrading questions, I've done that for 5 months now and I'm starting to loose my interest.
Regards, M
Ps If you're really stuck in a rom upgrade & can't get it working, last resort is to pinpoint me to a location where I can download your rom-dump or the shipped-rom & I can prepare it for you. All it takes is a cup of coffee on my, for now, virtual world trip. Got Italy, Cyprus, Argentina, Asia, UK, Germany, Belgium, Greece, Turkey & US allready. So if you're living in any other country, especially Indonisia, Australia or New Zealand, be my guest.
Great job OLTP..
Your the man :lol:
- If you failed in upgrading your rom somehow & now you're stuck in the bootloader: just make sure usb connections are allowed in Active Sync, connect your Magician with usb to your PC and run the rom upgrade program again.
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AND USE ACTIVESYNC 3.8
My upgrade was stuck at this stage - removed Activesync 4.0 - Installed 3.8 and ran the firmware update again - its now "Upgrade Radio Stack - Please wait" with the progress bar going along on the screen.
Hope this helps
I've heard/read more complaints about Act.Sync 4.0. Though 4.0 is working flawless on my side, every contribution that works is valuable information. I updated the first post with it.
Thanks
Big storage
I did a big storage for my Mini by using a copy of my rom, changing the bytes as told in the guide to upgrading with a HEX Editor. I have installed programs to new storage gained but my main memory is showing very little memory. I have no programmes installed in main memory. What should I do now ?
How much memory have you got free. I got now, on my fully loaded device, 9.6MB storage & 22.5MB program memory occupied.
Did you happen to load all the cabs you copied from your ext-rom again? Those cabs install in RAM.
Cheers, M
stotage lost
pls help... i lost my storage when i flash my mini in my stock shipped rom i followed instruction of olps to soted data at least 8mb of files but it didnt works still lost my storage...
how can i back it again..is there any hope?..
thanks
First thing to do is to load the BIG Storage rom again. This should give you back the \Storage folder.
Now did you use the same rom version for BIG Storage as your original rom version? Some do claim it needs to be at least the same country version.
So pls try to revert to the same version only without BS & you can always try with an empty \Storage folder.
Seems that some tricks work out different on several devices.
Good luck, M
First thing to do is to load the BIG Storage rom again. This should give you back the \Storage folder.
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thanks i got my storage is back...
Now did you use the same rom version for BIG Storage as your original rom version? Some do claim it needs to be at least the same country version.
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yes i flash it wid the same version i followed the instruction on your post to be able to back the extended rom..
ill try again for the 2nd time...ill post if i succed
many thanks oltp
Can I upgrade my Mda compact 2 also with a sd-card like the compact ?
When I make a hardreset with the card in the slot, i cannot chosse to install from sd-card.
That's something I don't know. Try one of the board's for WM5 devices like the Wizard. Maybe you can find your info there.
Success, M
[edit] could you append it here too pls, if you find it?
Hi OLTP,
Right now I have 8.04mb free in storage memory (big hack). In MAIN memory around 3.10 mb in program memory (in use 23.47 mb). Storage (main) - in use 28.29 mb and free 2.55 mb. This keeps going less and less so from time to time as I use and close programs. So I keep doing a soft reset. I get critical memory short error. What do I do.
Should I flash with my saved original ROM (the one I had before doing the hack) and then immediately flash the saved Big Rom ? Please let me know. You are the Guru.
@ Galahad: What kind of software did you install after the update? & how's the memory pressure right after a hard-reset (don't forget to make a proper backup first)?
Do you use cabinstl to install cabs to another location then 'default' (which is RAM)? & tell Act.Sync to install to Storage or Storage Card, otherwise your RAM will be used up very soon.
My advice no need to reflash right now, a hard-reset should be sufficient to see what is causing your prob.
M
After the hack I had installed couple of commercial software, all into storage memory thru active sync which prompts you where you want to install. I choose storage memory (26.92). I keep doing this for all the commercial software I need to install. When I finished doing this I had 6 mb free. so far so good. Then I started installing cabs files from Ext Rom copy on harddisk, with cabinst. These were smart dial cab, O2 connect and a few other (which I thought necessary) cab files. These too I installed into storage memory. If my memory serves me right, I started experiencing a sudden slide down in memory after this. Before this I had around 25 mb memory free. Then suddenly the slide down in memory. In fact Resco today plug in shows me the dramatic slidedown as if the memory is getting sucked down a black hole.
I will do a hard reset as suggested by you and then load my software into storage memory. This time I will not install cab files from Ext Rom. Is that OK ?
Your O2 software is def. causing your probs. If you need some apps from it, try WinCECabManager. With it you can see which files are stored where on your device. After cab installation you can move them to eg. \Storage\Windows & change all links & reg keys referring to those files. Or change tea cab-file of course. It can take some time, but ves a huge amount of RAM.
M
Thanks ! I will try your suggestion. Have never used WINceCab Manager. Hope it is not too technical.
Not for me, it's a bit like explorer. But then again I'm not standard.
Some good news !
Like I said, I had around 24 mb free memory after the big storage hack (after installing all applications, whether in storage memory or storage card).
The good news is that all my FREE MEMORY has come back. Don't know really how it happened. I was using my blue tooth device which I switched thru the icon on the screen bottom right.
In error I touched the icon to rotate screen orientation. When I finally got my orientation correctly, I also got all my lost memory.
IMAGINE THAT !
Thanks for all your quick responses and great help you gave me. I will surely emulate you helping ways.
oltp said:
Hi all,
- Want a WWE BIG Storage rom the easy way? Follow http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=MagicianRomUpgrade and download ftp://xda:[email protected]_NK.nbf/BIG_Storage_nk_for_rom_1.13WWE.zip This NK.nbf is patched for BIG Storage, you only need to put it in the directory with the extracted shipped-rom.
But remember that when this topic is still visible in the first page of this board I will probably stop answering new threads about BIG Storage and rom upgrading questions, I've done that for 5 months now and I'm starting to loose my interest.
Regards, M
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Dear OLTP, I am not able to find the patched nk.nbf on the ftp. Kindly check it is not there.
When I use nbfdec.exe for decoding the NK.nbf it gives me crc error and the decoding fails. whereas with the same set of NK.nbf,ms.nbf and radio.nbf I have success fully upgraded my magician to WWE1.13 with radio1.13 Kindly help
Hi guys (and gals)
First, thanks to c_shekhar for the Himalaya WM5 roms. Top Job
I'm quite new to WM5 and it has taken a little while for me to work out
how the XDA memory usage has changed from older PocketPC versions.
I thought I'd share how I think it looks for others, like me, who are using WM5
for the first time, thanks to the great ROMS on this site.
I've probably got bits of this wrong. Feel free to correct me
1st we need to understand what memory is in an XDAII:
128MB RAM (non-volatile after soft reset | volatile after hard reset)
32MB Flash ROM - Integrated with CPU (non-volatile after soft or hard reset)
32MB Flash ROM - Disk On Chip (DOC) (non-volatile after soft or hard reset) *
* All or part of this will get formatted if you select YES on the FORMAT STORAGE option on hard reset on WM5
The 32MB DOC Flash Rom is divided into two 16MB partitions by default:
Half goes to extROM
Half goes to persistant storage
Pre WM5 the memory map looked like this:
PRE WM5 - MEMORY MAP
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
...................| Storage (Installed Program Files, My Docs etc
128MB RAM.| Programs (running apps)
...................| Pocket PC OS (i.e. running state)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
32MB Flash / CPU..| System ROM (i.e. where the ROM .nbf goes) (/Windows folder?)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
16MB Flash DOC.| extROM (hidden by default. Contains vendor specific apps / hard reset - system startup)
16MB Flash DOC.| Persistant Storage (/Storage folder on pre WM5)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pre WM5 pocketPC versions allowed you to dynamically select the amount
of (non-persistant) storage / Program space via the memory applet. Obviously
a hard reset would lose any programs installed into this RAM area of memory. Also the file system had a /Storage folder so you knew where to put impotant files that a hard reset wouldn't wipe out.
Things have all changed with WM5. Thus: (Based on c_shekhar 3.50a ROM)
WM5 - MEMORY MAP
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
...................| 37MB Programs (running apps)
...................| 40MB RAMDisk Storage (Non persistant storage /RAMdisk folder)
128MB RAM.| 24MB PagePool (PocketPC OS Cache ares (?))
...................| 27MB Pocket PC OS (i.e. running state)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
32MB Flash / CPU | System ROM (i.e. where the ROM .nbf goes) (/Windows folder?)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
16MB Flash DOC.| extROM (hidden by default. Contains vendor specific apps / hard reset - system startup)
16MB Flash DOC.| Persistant Storage (14MB Formatted space)**
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
** WM5 no longer has a /Storage folder. Now /My Document /Program Files etc
reside in this persistant area
Obviously one benefit to this re-arrangement is that a hard reset does not wipe
out your installed program, assuming you don't FORMAT STORAGE in the WM5 hard reset screen.
If you are using c_shekhar's ROM then the extROM area is not used. In fact its
probably is sitting there invisible to you with the old pre WM5 vendor apps wasting space. There are tools to make this 16MB partition visible and merge it into the existing 16MB DOC partition to give you 32MB of persistant storage.
Instructions >here<
To check how much storage space you have:
Start>>Settings>>System Tab>>Memory
Storage Total will be circa 14.60MB for standard Install
Storage Total will be circa 30.53MB for merged extROM modification
There are also ways to change the size of the PagePool and RAMdisk but they are not discussed here. Search for c_shekhar + PagePool + RAMdisk
I hope this has been helpful
Please post any corrections, or further useful info
Regards
S_F
sawyer_family said:
Hi guys (and gals)
I hope this has been helpful
Please post any corrections, or further useful info
Regards
S_F
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very helpful indeed
thanks for all the research
Sorry to ask you silly questions... I am a newbie about PDA. And I stil didn't understand clearly concerning why extROM exist in PDA.
1. What is the real function extROM ?
2. I read from your writing, If I used c_shekhar rom it means extROM doesn't have any function anymore. Is it true ?
3. What are the risks if I merge extROM to storage ?
I hope you would like to be kind to explained this for me.
Regards
Selangkahlagi
Well..
selangkahlagi said:
Sorry to ask you silly questions... I am a newbie about PDA. And I stil didn't understand clearly concerning why extROM exist in PDA.
1. What is the real function extROM ?
2. I read from your writing, If I used c_shekhar rom it means extROM doesn't have any function anymore. Is it true ?
3. What are the risks if I merge extROM to storage ?
I hope you would like to be kind to explained this for me.
Regards
Selangkahlagi
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...again I could be wrong here, and c_shekhar would know more about his ROM, but I think the general idea was:
1. XDA Manufacturer (i.e. HTC) provides main system ROM i.e. the pocketpc OS
2. The network supplier, or distributer (e.g. O2) provide the extROM ROM
Then when you hard boot the OS loads and autoruns and installs the branded
applications from the extROM to give you a clean branded install after a hard boot.
The extROM is readonly and invisible so you don't mess it up and can always
get back to the standard installation O2 or other supplier provided in the box.
My understanding is it is only used during a hard boot to install branded apps.
If you decide to install a ROM like c_shekhar's then he installs all the software
you need into the main system ROM. He doesn't use extROM to provide any
other applications that would install on a hard boot. In fact I assume he
takes out any call to the autorun in extROM which is why there are no app loads
when you hard boot his ROMs.
So you have a choice. Leave extROM alone and let 16MB of nonvolatile flash
rom sit there with O2 apps you'll probably never use again. Or, merge it into
the 16MB of storage space and get circa 32mb or storage.
There are always risks from flashing a pda device and messing about with flash
memory, especially from a non-official source. But then there are huge benefits from
c_shekhar providing us with a fantastic WM5 ROM that we otherwise wouldn't
have.
Hope this is correct and helpful.
S_F
What Needs To Be Done?
Dear all ,After upgarding rom of Shekhar My device stopped Reading MMC And SD card,unfortunately till now i have not get any reply about this issue ,can some one help me outof it ?
Require help >>>>>>>>
Thanks In advance.
creations_31 said:
Dear all ,After upgarding rom of Shekhar My device stopped Reading MMC And SD card,unfortunately till now i have not get any reply about this issue ,can some one help me outof it ?
Require help >>>>>>>>
Thanks In advance.
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Wrong thread to be asking in. But SD slot works ok on my XDA with 3.50a.40CS
I'd suggest you go back to an official ROM version and verify its not a hardware fault.
sawyer_family said:
...again I could be wrong here, and c_shekhar would know more about his ROM, but I think the general idea was:
1. XDA Manufacturer (i.e. HTC) provides main system ROM i.e. the pocketpc OS
2. The network supplier, or distributer (e.g. O2) provide the extROM ROM
Then when you hard boot the OS loads and autoruns and installs the branded
applications from the extROM to give you a clean branded install after a hard boot.
The extROM is readonly and invisible so you don't mess it up and can always
get back to the standard installation O2 or other supplier provided in the box.
My understanding is it is only used during a hard boot to install branded apps.
If you decide to install a ROM like c_shekhar's then he installs all the software
you need into the main system ROM. He doesn't use extROM to provide any
other applications that would install on a hard boot. In fact I assume he
takes out any call to the autorun in extROM which is why there are no app loads
when you hard boot his ROMs.
So you have a choice. Leave extROM alone and let 16MB of nonvolatile flash
rom sit there with O2 apps you'll probably never use again. Or, merge it into
the 16MB of storage space and get circa 32mb or storage.
There are always risks from flashing a pda device and messing about with flash
memory, especially from a non-official source. But then there are huge benefits from
c_shekhar providing us with a fantastic WM5 ROM that we otherwise wouldn't
have.
Hope this is correct and helpful.
S_F
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Good Sutdy and informations for the newbees. appriciations for sawyer_family. There exists the autorun program for installing the third party S/Ws and configurations at the time of hard reset developed by buzz. But, I have not provided it in the ROM. It can install the S/Ws and configurations from the resrve space into the RAM just like it used to be with the ExtROM. Here the advantage is that ExtROM can be placed on the Storage card. Like I am using it on my device to install the third party S/Ws and all the stuff at the time of hard reset. I have placed all these stuff in folder called "Storage Card/ExtROM". May be I provide it in my next release If people require. ......
c_shekhar said:
Good Sutdy and informations for the newbees. appriciations for sawyer_family. There exists the autorun program for installing the third party S/Ws and configurations at the time of hard reset developed by buzz. But, I have not provided it in the ROM. It can install the S/Ws and configurations from the resrve space into the RAM just like it used to be with the ExtROM. Here the advantage is that ExtROM can be placed on the Storage card. Like I am using it on my device to install the third party S/Ws and all the stuff at the time of hard reset. I have placed all these stuff in folder called "Storage Card/ExtROM". May be I provide it in my next release If people require. ......
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Nice idea c_shekhar, it is a brillian idea to put extROM in storage card. It will safe much place in ROM. I will waiting your work mate !!!!
sawyer_family said:
...again I could be wrong here, and c_shekhar would know more about his ROM, but I think the general idea was:
1. XDA Manufacturer (i.e. HTC) provides main system ROM i.e. the pocketpc OS
2. The network supplier, or distributer (e.g. O2) provide the extROM ROM
Then when you hard boot the OS loads and autoruns and installs the branded
applications from the extROM to give you a clean branded install after a hard boot.
The extROM is readonly and invisible so you don't mess it up and can always
get back to the standard installation O2 or other supplier provided in the box.
My understanding is it is only used during a hard boot to install branded apps.
If you decide to install a ROM like c_shekhar's then he installs all the software
you need into the main system ROM. He doesn't use extROM to provide any
other applications that would install on a hard boot. In fact I assume he
takes out any call to the autorun in extROM which is why there are no app loads
when you hard boot his ROMs.
So you have a choice. Leave extROM alone and let 16MB of nonvolatile flash
rom sit there with O2 apps you'll probably never use again. Or, merge it into
the 16MB of storage space and get circa 32mb or storage.
There are always risks from flashing a pda device and messing about with flash
memory, especially from a non-official source. But then there are huge benefits from
c_shekhar providing us with a fantastic WM5 ROM that we otherwise wouldn't
have.
Hope this is correct and helpful.
S_F
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Thany you sawyer_family, you help me much to understand this topic.
Hello!
I bring to your attention a small script to change the size of PagePool directly on the device.
The script allows to replace the size PagePool From 2.00 to 16.00th mbyte without a reflash of the device and loss of data.
After work of a script it is enough to make a soft reset to the device.
In a script is implemented the algorithm of automatic search of the address of offset and check result of search with use of check value on algorithm MD5 . In this mode every possible checks are made so much what kill the device practically not possible.
Also there is a possibility of instructions of own displacement of value of the size PagePool In a case when automatic search cannot find out it. In this mode value to the specified address is checked only. And if it not in the range of values of the size PagePool from 2 to 16, script also refuses to make changes to a device insertion.
The script is checked up with several firmwares and devices.
If program can't autodetect offset value of PagePool, generate "dev info"
and provide it to me. Im add your device in autodetection feature.
Thankful in advance for responses about work of a script and the help in perfection of this.
Screenshots and script are applied
P.S. Sorry for bad english
latest version available at ftp://intruder.spb.ru/PPSmartChanger.exe
First of all thank you for your hard work!
I read everywhere about this "PagePool". Can i ask what's this? And which PagePool is more wise to use?
TIA
If I correctly have understood you, I answer
PagePool it is area which it is used by system for caching various information. The size of accessible RAM depends on the size of this area for. As a rule this value selects everyone under itself individually. Someone uses the big programs which is necessary a lot of memory, and someone a much small programms.
As the program allows to change this value without loss of data, it is possible to experiment.
If has worked address autodetection that all it should be good.
If has not worked, I need info about your device and firmware to try add your device to autodetection.
Thanks for this sweet app....
Now I can change the pagepool on the fly... even though I wonder how many times I will actually change it...
You can change the size of PagePool as many times as you need without any limits.
Version updated:
1. Improved method of info retrival from device.
2. Added multidevices support.
3. EXPERIMENTAL: Added support of WM6 on FS LOOX C550 (can't test on device, my device HTC Touch)
So, what would be the best size for the Touch? I know it should be smaller, I've read 4MB somewhere but is that best or at least better than original?
I'm using BatteryStatus with enabled CPUScaler and I noticed when I change the PagePool size to 4 Mb, TCPMP player works on higher frequency (299 MHz, Boost) instead of 247 MHz (Max) with 8 Mb PagePool size.
So if PagePool size is 4 Mb and less we have low productivity.
I found that 6 Mb is good size. The productivity is the same as with 8 Mb and free memory bigger for 2 Mb.
Version updated.
Hi shark... It's not working on my Touch. Firmware using is 1.11707.1B WWE.
Swiftblade said:
Hi shark... It's not working on my Touch. Firmware using is 1.11707.1B WWE.
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Hi! Please use new version and if it not work, build info for me (option in menu) and attach to reply
Latest version can be accessed at ftp://intruder.spb.ru/PPSmartChanger.exe
the link of your app doesn't work anymore...
can you upload it to a different server please.
thanks
It did work on mind.
It said Dump size mis-matched.
Try built Development Information.
It also failed and sais Some **** happened!
Don't know what is next. ROM I used is the 55Meg Big Storage ROM without Extended ROM found in this forum.
jychan28 said:
It did work on mind.
It said Dump size mis-matched.
Try built Development Information.
It also failed and sais Some **** happened!
Don't know what is next. ROM I used is the 55Meg Big Storage ROM without Extended ROM found in this forum.
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Same to me
Please wait while tool locate PagePool setting offset
_______________________________________________________
Started at 10:50:08.39
> Initializing... done
> Reading ROM info... done
> Dumping part of ROM.. ERROR
> Locating PagePool setting. skipped
> Checking MD5. skipped
Finished at 10:50:41.82
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Size of dump is mismatch
Press any key to continue . . .
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But building of debug info worked.
Don't know how to contact you at 4PDA.ru since my russian is very rusty (cannot even read any of these words).
So I post the log here
My ROM is1.11.407.1B.GER (original german HTC Touch)
I have the same problem with jychan28
ROM: 1.11.721.2B WWE
Radio Ver: 02.93.90
Hi,
I was wondering how i can change the pagepool size when i'm cooking a rom?
I've been searching and searching but didn't find anything to change the touch's pagepool.
Gr. bram
New version at ftp://intruder.spb.ru/PPSmartChanger.exe
bram_smulders said:
Hi,
I was wondering how i can change the pagepool size when i'm cooking a rom?
I've been searching and searching but didn't find anything to change the touch's pagepool.
Gr. bram
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=323269
If any **** happens, download new version
It buil development info in C:\PPSCDev.
sorry...
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> Checking........7z.exe: No such
file or directory
.. ERROR
Tool might be broken
Execution aborted
Press any key to continue . . .
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the file I downloaded is also only 229kB instead of 295kB of 0.37a
Sorry, it's my fault. Script updated, try again.
I am new to the WM platform, and have been flashing my Tilt like crazy. I am trying to decide if it is better to go with a minimal ROM and install the addon's via CABS that I want, or if it is better to get a ROM like DUTTY's that has 98% of what I use already installed.
Coming from the Palm world, there were advantages of moving apps into the ROM as it would free the space for storage. A typical application install would use the storage space for both application and data.
Is this true with Kaiser/Tilt and WM? Is the 256Mb of ROM used only by applications that are either 'flashed' or loaded via the ExtendedRom Unlock and 128Mb of RAM used by cab file installs, and other installations?
Finally, when installing an application on the MicroSD card, does it first have to copy to the phones ram and then run, or is the memory directly accessed?
Thanks!
I like em lite
If you are going to use all the HTC software in Dutty's then I say to load his ROM. They are very good. I'm a fan of a lite ROM and use XDA-live since I choose to not use any HTC software.
ROM Goes Unused?
So does the extra space of your ROM go unused by any applications? Say you install a lite, + quick menu, PocketCM, and a few other goodies that are included in a fuller ROM..is that now taking up space where you would put ringtones, themes, data files, etc. in your RAM.
I guess my question is more like this:
Is the ROM/RAM issue similar to palm, or can I think of the ROM as a PC hard drive, and the RAM just that..used by what is running only.
I don't believe the ROM is just a like a pc hard drive since I have to flash to get stuff in there, but I wasn't sure if that was just certain portions of the ROM where the OS lives.
redbaron73 said:
I don't believe the ROM is just a like a pc hard drive since I have to flash to get stuff in there, but I wasn't sure if that was just certain portions of the ROM where the OS lives.
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You can say that ROM is like PC's hard drive. A space of this ROM is reserved from the OS and the rest is free for the user.
When you flash with a lite ROM the space reserved for the OS is smaller and the opposite when you flash with a full version.
athanaso77 said:
You can say that ROM is like PC's hard drive. A space of this ROM is reserved from the OS and the rest is free for the user.
When you flash with a lite ROM the space reserved for the OS is smaller and the opposite when you flash with a full version.
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So I assume that when looking at the memory tool, this unreserved portion of this ROM is listed as "Storage" and the Memory/RAM is listed as "Program"
This clears it up for me.
Thank You!!
My Latest Official Flavour Rom
Tabish Rom v3.3.6.1 is here. The OS core is based on an extract and port from latest official HTC release (Opal ROM) which is closest to the HTC Touch sys folder. Base ROM remains 2.20.456.1B for OEM part which is the latest HTC rom for Elfs. This ensures 0 bugs, fast stable Rom which is VERY much what an official HTC Touch WM6.1 Rom would have looked like had they released one for us. Ofcourse mine would still have the advantage of being BIG STORAGE
Features/Updates from Tabish v2.x to v3.3.6.1 Rom
1. Wm6.1 (19971 Base from OPAL)
2. Esmertec JBed updated to 20080610.2.1
3. Default Pagepool to be Elf and Elfin friendly (though dsixda's EXCELLENT PP changer attached)
4. Task Manager updated to 2.1
5. HTC Random Access for contacts added.
Changes included from 3.3.6.1
6. .NETCF 3.5 (upgraded from 2.0) (Some people swear speed improvement, plus compatibility with new programs like Adavanced Config 3.x)
7. Bluetooth Activesync problem fixed
8. MSN connection fixed
9. Full Cities list (or atleast I think this is most complete list available)
I have also now included RUU files with download for people who are new to this.
PAGEPOOL and Memory
Rom is released with default 8mb PP setting but dsixda's excellent universal PP Changer is attached. I would like to give a disclaimer at this point that though the PP Changer works well with the ROM but I am NOT responsible for any damage caused by using the PP changer or my ROM for that matter.
Rom works very fast and very stable with 4mb PP with Elfs. Memory after first boot is as follows (for Elf with the default 8mb PP)
Storage
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Total: 47.94mb
In Use: 6.26mb
Free: 41.68mb
Program
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Total: 47.65mb
In Use: 25.44mb
Free: 22.21mb
But program memory quickly drops to
In Use: 28.39mb
Free: 19.26mb
after Cube is loaded in memory.
If you want more, you should shift to 4mb Pagepool but memory management for this build is very good and I have included the task manager screenshot below that shows 91% memory used while Audio manager, JBed, IE, SMS, connection manager and File explorer were open. For the record I was listening to a song, connected over wifi, downloading Opera Mini 4.1 on PIE and running Opera 4.1 on Jbed which was browsing facebook. I had the threaded SMS open and so was connection manager and file explorer (and ofcourse the screen capture program was in memory) AND cube was loaded n memory and I still had about 4mb free AND all this with the 8mb PP so you can imagine how it would be with 4mb PP.
Recommendations and Misc.
I strongly recommend installing the excellent IPL 2.27 and USPL 2.28 by htctouchp with this ROM. Its also recommended that you softboot and restart the phone once after first install before using it full time (works best after 1 normal restart)
Also I have attached a cab file for those who want to disable thread sms feature for whatever reasons.
Discussions, comments for this Rom starts on Page 10
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=397739&page=10
DOWNLOAD & DONATION
Before you download and install the Rom think that if HTC offered an Official Wm6.1 upgrage for $5 for our HTC Elf/Elfins would you get it? What about $1? If yes, consider making a contribution for my work after you have tested and used the ROM because this is as close to an HTC Official Wm6.1 Rom as anyone could hope to get for our Elf/Elfins (and countless hours went into this)
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webs...ode=CAD&lc=CA&bn=PP-DonationsBF&charset=UTF-8
Alright, FINALLY here is the download link
http://rapidshare.com/files/152720592/Tabish_ROM_v3.3.6.1.zip
Enjoy Everyone!!
What kind of memory leak are you talking about? How long until you run out of memory?
When I reset it in bootloader mode it says SPL 1.11.0000 - Am I concerned with this possible leak?
I know that memory tends to diminish in time, but since I installed the auto-hibernate tool, it's better (even though it still runs down).
zeflash said:
What kind of memory leak are you talking about? How long until you run out of memory?
When I reset it in bootloader mode it says SPL 1.11.0000 - Am I concerned with this possible leak?
I know that memory tends to diminish in time, but since I installed the auto-hibernate tool, it's better (even though it still runs down).
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Zeflash if you have 1.11 SPL then you are probably using the 1.11.707 version rom which does not include the new keypad etc or one of the cooked roms.
Memory runs down on all Pocket PCs but with the new 2.20 series there was a leak where the memory would disappear for no reason till it got to low memory warning in matter of seconds specially after opening IE.
This ROM is intended for people who want the original ROM feeling, speed and stability with the new keypad included and want additional storage over the measly 25 mb offered by original Roms and are sick of the memory problems.
Regards
Ok.
Just a note, I believe it's quite anormal to provide a SPL in a cooked ROM. Usually it's only the system segment, sometimes the radio is included. Anyway. I'm fine with my SPL.
zeflash said:
Ok.
Just a note, I believe it's quite anormal to provide a SPL in a cooked ROM. Usually it's only the system segment, sometimes the radio is included. Anyway. I'm fine with my SPL.
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The older SPL is the actual fix for the 2.20 Roms and thats why its included with my original Rom and seperately for those who dont want to reflash the whole OS but want to get rid of the memory problem can just flash the SPL part that I have uploaded
For all those who try please give feedback
Would really appreciate if you could mention the details of available RAM and storage after using your ROM. I use an ELF.
webwiz said:
Would really appreciate if you could mention the details of available RAM and storage after using your ROM. I use an ELF.
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I am currently using it with a 6mb Pagepool using the attached Activesync PP change (was originally at 8mb) and so currently I have
Storage:
Total: 49.18 mb
In Use: 5.12 mb (after installing a few programs. was more after immediate flash)
Free: 44.13mb
Program:
Total: 49.72 mb
In Use: 27.43 mb
Free: 22.29 mb
After leaving it on for DAYS it runs down to 19.81 mb but I can easily launch Audio manager playing mp3s over bluetooth stereo, Wifi connected running IE and Opera mini 4.1 in Cloudyfa's Esmertec JBed and still have a 1-2 megs ram free...
good work i get the same RAM config using the old 1.17.. ROM the touch Diamond keyboard. But will try your ROM have been long waiting for a good original ROM.
Thanks, very nice work, i am using ShadoW_2.1 WWE and after aplaying PP 4 mb Psgepool
I have:
Storage
Total: 57.18
In use: 25.18
Free: 32.00
Program
Total: 51.68
In use: 29.12
Free: 22.55
Working with SPB Mobile Shell V2.1.0.3363 with diamond skin, fast and smooth
I gess it suits for me.
One thing, can i flash fimmware to my htc if i have Mac OS X? Cuz i dont know how. Or in Server 2008 i simply dont have active stink.
pagepool change to 4mb. works fine to my elf. with 21mb free program for stable.
note: i have installed some games(4 games) with apps like opera, diamond keyboard, srs wow, mobile nero, htc stream & wisbar advance 3.
zozon said:
Thanks, very nice work, i am using ShadoW_2.1 WWE and after aplaying PP 4 mb Psgepool
I have:
Storage
Total: 57.18
In use: 25.18
Free: 32.00
Program
Total: 51.68
In use: 29.12
Free: 22.55
Working with SPB Mobile Shell V2.1.0.3363 with diamond skin, fast and smooth
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Cloudyfa is one of the most talented cooks EVER so of course his work is VERY good. This rom is more for people who like original roms. This is an original rom just with ext.rom removed for big storage and patched spl to fix memory leak experienced on Elf with the 2.20.xxx Elf/Elfin Roms
sala91 said:
I gess it suits for me.
One thing, can i flash fimmware to my htc if i have Mac OS X? Cuz i dont know how. Or in Server 2008 i simply dont have active stink.
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No man I dont know how to flash through Mac OS X. Perhaps you can use a friends pc? I am glad you think this will suit you
seferismo said:
pagepool change to 4mb. works fine to my elf. with 21mb free program for stable.
note: i have installed some games(4 games) with apps like opera, diamond keyboard, srs wow, mobile nero, htc stream & wisbar advance 3.
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Thanks for the feedback
I prefer 6mb PP cuz I think it works faster than 4mb PP for things like touch scrolling through programs etc. And I like HTC keypad better than the diamond keyboard. But whatver you prefer, I am just glad you are using my ROM
flasht only the spl memory fix working fine so far and stil is very fast
carpintero said:
flasht only the spl memory fix working fine so far and stil is very fast
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Yeah original roms ROCK in terms of speed and stability. This SPL fix can also be used with the Australian Official HTC 2.20.710.2B ROM or any other 2.20.xxx Elf/Elfin ROM for that matter but if you get sick of running out of STORAGE memory as well, flash my full rom which is exactly like the original rom with just 1 difference that it will have 40+ mb free and if you miss the programs in ext.rom then ZIP is attached with ext.rom included cabs
tabi13 said:
Yeah original roms ROCK in terms of speed and stability. This SPL fix can also be used with the Australian Official HTC 2.20.710.2B ROM or any other 2.20.xxx Elf/Elfin ROM for that matter but if you get sick of running out of STORAGE memory as well, flash my full rom which is exactly like the original rom with just 1 difference that it will have 40+ mb free and if you miss the programs in ext.rom then ZIP is attached with ext.rom included cabs
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thanks for the work ,i'm happy so far
carpintero said:
thanks for the work ,i'm happy so far
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i have flasht it back to bleu v 5.0 the update did not working at my divice memory leak stil a isue even worse
I'm interested! I'm running Shadow 2.1 now which is fine but I'm looking to try another rom so I guess I'll try this one.
Trekvogel said:
I'm interested! I'm running Shadow 2.1 now which is fine but I'm looking to try another rom so I guess I'll try this one.
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Thank you so much. This is totally original ROM flavour with no add-ins. Tell me how it works out for you. For all those who dont like ROM's original midlet manager, I am attaching here Cloudyfa's excellent Esmertec JBed that seems to work without hitch on all platform roms I have tried