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Hi,
Next to making ROMs I want to try and work on the wiki some more to make it THE prophet information source on basic questions.
I made this thread for users to suggest stuff that they think should be covered.
This is NOT a thread for asking questions about your prophet.
Thanks
Hi Jester
Wiki forums has pros and cons. Reading 20 pages of mixed text is not by far the best way to learn anything, the main problem for me is to distingish good info from bad one.
The 'Expert Selection': For each thread I would like to see only what an expert/senior member has selected. This filter can be multiple and tematic; the same 'expert' can select only some posts an 'rename' the sub-thread; and of course the same thread could be filtered by two or more members.
This way i can have the same point of view of them, and this is important for me..
Hi Jester,
Thanks for the big support on the Prophet and releasing ROM versions!
In the Forums there are many questions about how to upgrade your (for example) Dutch ROM to a WWE, what to do, maybe this is also something to add to the Wiki.
The Wiki side sould be rich of information about how to upgrade the ROM, what are usefull programms, free or payed, where does ipl and SPL stand for, What are the latest versions.
Groet,
TheTeek
Hi Jesterz,
Thanks a ton for your ROMs and your efforts!
One of the most eagerly sought after info is ROM editing specifically for G4 roms (specially again for Prophet).
Can you help in consolidating the tools (along with usage tips) to modify ROMs to achieve the following:
1. Steps to upgrade only the OS to whichever ROM OS you want.
2. Steps to increase the pagepool to X [I understand the device runs faster on an increased pagepool], but I am not sure of the ideal size to be kept. I got some details from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=283280&highlight=pagepool
4. Steps to remove MS Office, voice dial and other applications from the rom and add a few apps. Will also need help in adding few apps like resco explorer and some registry hacks into the ROM.
5. Steps to move some programs from programs to system (for e.g smsdeliveryfix)
Am sure others can also add to this request.
Thanks.
Hi Jesterz,
thanks for this thread, I beleve there are a lot of stupid questions because a lot of information in the wiki are too much generic and the people have fear to make some errors (IS NOT YOUR FAULT because the newbie are sometime very newbie).
My dream wiki is:
- more specific
- with new information
For example, if you check the main procedure to update the rom, there are some step not very clear:
1) ***
If it states: "Could not update itsutils.dll to the current version, maybe it is in use ?" Do the following :
Copy the cab's from the Utils folder in the Lokiwiz03a.zip file to your Prophet and execute them.
(There are two files : "Cert_SPCS.cab" and "EnableRapi.cab")
This is not clear. A lot of user wrote me in private asking if you need to do a soft reset (or no, or an hard reset) after that.
2) ***
Sometime after that the itsutils.dll error is still alive. What the people have to do?
3)***
In some rom, you don't have to unlock the cid... right? But this is not on the wiki.
4) ***
There are some question where there are not answer, like this one in the ROM DUMPT.
"if you want backup your own rom, you have to do the unlock cid procedure and update the rom with another one. But if you do that you lost your own rom!!! So, why there is a Dump rom procedure, if you can not do that with your original one?"
5) ***
I would lik see in the wiky a tread with the list of the BEST ROM and the update.
6) ***
There are some etc...
I think what would be a *very* good piece of info for newbies is what are all the tools you guys use (cert.cab, etc etc....) and what each does to some degree....
as a newb myself, I find it *very* daunting and very scary to see lots of stuff posted on the forums that say "How To: Copy fileA and fileB to device, run fileC.exe on computer, then execute fileD on device, then wait, and poof! you're done". I'd be nice to at least know that the heck each of the components are and the purpose (even if it's very technical) of each one.
Also, if it's possible, list off any interdependencies these tools have. There are too many "half-instructions" floating around and it's really difficult to determine whether the user needs to do anything before hand before following the instructions.
*lastely*, Can we get a guide that lists off all the pros and cons for each of the custom ROMs that are getting posted. It's a little tough for newbies to know what are all the pros and cons for each ROM. Yes, we know there are pros and cons and nothings perfect, but *what* are the bugs? and what are the features? At least that way we can decide for ourselves whether or not the ROM will work for us...
I'm only into day 2 of all of this so I apologize if what I'm suggesting sounds stupid.
Thanks
Hello all,
Jesterz, thanks you for your investisment in the forum.
Some suggestions about the wiki.
One of the main issues for upgrading a rom is to have a clear view of what is going on.
There are many threads discussing different roms.
It should be grateful to have one main page giving an overview of every live rom and a page for each rom where the author can put a link and also give the current status of his rom and known issues. So I join to Mr Yellow for this.
It should be something very basic, not as far as an Issue tracking page (ie http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MPA)
By now, whenever I want to update a rom, I have to read the entire post...
One solution can be, for each cooking rom version, adding a text file that describe everything to know.
Of course, a howto for cooking rom and useful mistakes can be also interesting.
cheers
Andre
Hi Guys - and yes, thanks for all the time & investment made here.
I'm a fairly new member, and one thing I think would benefit the WIKI is an idiots guide or introduction.
I found the the wiki a bit tricky in so much that it starts at a fairly high level and misses the basics
Whats an AKU and why might I prefer a new one ?
What extra features can I get with a new rom ?
Why might I need newer radio drivers ?
Stuff like that.
Also, a glossary would go down reall well.
JJ
doublej said:
Hi Guys - and yes, thanks for all the time & investment made here.
I'm a fairly new member, and one thing I think would benefit the WIKI is an idiots guide or introduction.
I found the the wiki a bit tricky in so much that it starts at a fairly high level and misses the basics
Whats an AKU and why might I prefer a new one ?
What extra features can I get with a new rom ?
Why might I need newer radio drivers ?
Stuff like that.
Also, a glossary would go down reall well.
JJ
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I agree with the above......more of a beginner area with more explaination
Not an idiot guide but something more for the leaner who want to be experts like most here
Get to it
I think these are all great suggestions. The Prophet wiki is looking pretty sparse at the moment. So why doesn't everyone start editing it, rather than just talking about it?
Cheers,
uayeb
Hello
read it !
agree!
Shall i make a tutorial for changing the case? I know there is one already in another forum(modaco). But i want one on xda-developers?
the more the merrier!
I think possibly the most useful thing would be 'How to recover Prophet stuck in Bootloader'. I seem to telling people how to do it most days and sometimes more than once a day...
I'll happily write a 'How To' if required.
l3v5y said:
I think possibly the most useful thing would be 'How to recover Prophet stuck in Bootloader'. I seem to telling people how to do it most days and sometimes more than once a day...
I'll happily write a 'How To' if required.
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You know, that's what's awesome about the wiki... you *CAN* go ahead and write whatever you want. It only takes like 5-10 minutes to understand the syntax of wiki-code... create a new page, write your stuff down, and start formatting. Bam, you've created a wiki page that everyone can use. Announce to the fourm that you've done so and you're done!
Then you can start insulting newbies that complain about getting stuck in boot loader that they should search and read the wiki! It feels really good!
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You know, that's what's awesome about the wiki... you *CAN* go ahead and write whatever you want. It only takes like 5-10 minutes to understand the syntax of wiki-code... create a new page, write your stuff down, and start formatting. Bam, you've created a wiki page that everyone can use. Announce to the fourm that you've done so and you're done!
Then you can start insulting newbies that complain about getting stuck in boot loader that they should search and read the wiki! It feels really good!
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But how can I get it uploaded?
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But how can I get it uploaded?
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You don't upload anything. You can edit each page like it was a forum post. there's special syntax for lists, bullet points, headlines, links etc... but if you want to create a page, all you need is a title and that's it. Everything is done on the serverside.
The easiest way to start is to pick a page, click the edit button at the bottom, then add a new link to a page using the syntax [new page title]. when you save it, "new page title" becomes a link to a new page where you can create a new page and add more content there.
Give it a shot. Don't be afraid to break stuff.. you can always look back on old versions of the page and reverse any changes.
Pallas said:
Shall i make a tutorial for changing the case? I know there is one already in another forum(modaco). But i want one on xda-developers?
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I second this!!! I've been looking at the modaco 1, & feel we need to have 1 from xda dev & Pallas is the man... heheh
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You don't upload anything. You can edit each page like it was a forum post. there's special syntax for lists, bullet points, headlines, links etc... but if you want to create a page, all you need is a title and that's it. Everything is done on the serverside.
The easiest way to start is to pick a page, click the edit button at the bottom, then add a new link to a page using the syntax [new page title]. when you save it, "new page title" becomes a link to a new page where you can create a new page and add more content there.
Give it a shot. Don't be afraid to break stuff.. you can always look back on old versions of the page and reverse any changes.
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Breaking stuff can be fun I'll give it a try now...
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Breaking stuff can be fun I'll give it a try now...
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Good Luck!
hey guys,
I'm a regular on the HTC tytn part of this board and have been quite active in updating the wiki and making it functional.
I thought i'd wonder over to this board and took a look at the wiki and have to admit, was sort of shocked. it's one enormous page that's not very intuitive!
I'm going to shift around some stuff to make the wiki for your device easier to browse and navigate, would love for you guys to help out with this venture!
I've started with this:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=wizard_WM_6
WM6 definitely deserves a page of its own, complete with download links, links to threads etc. it does not deserve to be in the middle of some enormous page where most people can't even see it! it's linked back to the main wiki page under the contents page, which is easier to follow.
suggestions welcome, and please help in overhauling the poor state of the wizard's wiki!!
cheers
I don't know about others here in this forum, but I think you're doing us all a huge favor. Good start on the Wizard WM6 material so far.
Hi!
Ofcourse great job. I've learn from this site
I need to suggest to put some information about Not Big Deal 5.1.
I think, this rom is realy good. Realy. Not many ppl use it, but almost all of my friends that tried this rom, confirmed, that it's very ok.
You should probably rename the page to reflect the device it is for. The current name implicates it is a general WM6 page - which is not in fact.
Chatty said:
You should probably rename the page to reflect the device it is for. The current name implicates it is a general WM6 page - which is not in fact.
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awesome suggestion, silly of me. i've renamed the page to wizard_wm_6
I've updated the Wiki (Thanks for setting this up) with information and download links to my Crossbow Released rom.
Also I would like to make an observation... I disagree with the description of The Core, in that it says this is the best rom for Newbies (or thats how I read it)... Since this is a Clean / "core" rom, I don't know that I would call this a good general starting rom for someone new. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying The Core 2.0 isn't good, I'm just saying the claim that its the best rom for newbies is maybe misleading as many newbies want more than just a base rom. XPlore 1.1 (IMO) is actually a better rom for someone just starting out as it comes with some apps in it. Then Wizard Mobile 6 Business Edition is very nice with the set of apps in it too... Its just all of the roms have strengths and weaknesses, so to me calling a single rom the best for Newbies may be misleading. Let them choose what fits for them (or setup some type of Matrix to compare the roms).
BTW: This isn't criticism of this new WiKi page at all? I just wanting to provide feedback so this can become a valuable resource for the Wizard community (and I really appreciate you starting this project for us. Now I need to get back to working on the WM6 Cooking wiki pages I was setting up)
mfrazzz - good point. there should be no "favouring" of roms, it should be up to the end user to decide.
I've removed the whole best rom bit. let the person choose themselves
Newbie who has evolved from basics to cooking solely with the great information that is included here (and the great tools). Haven't asked any questions in anything but the accessories sections until now - hope I don't start with a stupid one. Do my part by answering most questions that I can and I have searched for literally hours on this without finding a definitive answer (I swear I'm not too stupid).
How do the great chefs cook their registry settings in? Do you edit the hives during the cooking process every time? Seems like there should be an easier way than how I am doing it and I can't seem to find a definitive answer anywhere. It takes me forever to export the files and edit them to my liking only to have to cook another version 20 minutes later to fix some custom package issue. I've looked everywhere for the right solution...tried everything from manually editing to using Settings Savior, etc and nothing is the answer I'm looking for. Not very advanced as a programmer, but should understand enough to figure this out. I like most of the changes suggested by KaiserTweak and want to integrate them plus some others (the WiFi registry edits for the Comm Manager, etc.). Is a provisioning.xml file the answer? My ROMs are generally just for me - but I have had one or two people ask to try them and I hate that you still have to tweak so many settings (via KaiserTweak, etc.) after flashing to get them the way I really want them. Thanks much for any help you can give me.
Actually - one other question. Now that I'm to this point I'd like to start making some donations to those that have created the tools that have made it possible for me. What is a standard donation? Don't want to offend either way. Thanks again.
Bump. I know I didn't wait long, but it made it to page 3 overnight.
Guilf said:
Newbie who has evolved from basics to cooking solely with the great information that is included here (and the great tools). Haven't asked any questions in anything but the accessories sections until now - hope I don't start with a stupid one. Do my part by answering most questions that I can and I have searched for literally hours on this without finding a definitive answer (I swear I'm not too stupid).
How do the great chefs cook their registry settings in? Do you edit the hives during the cooking process every time? Seems like there should be an easier way than how I am doing it and I can't seem to find a definitive answer anywhere. It takes me forever to export the files and edit them to my liking only to have to cook another version 20 minutes later to fix some custom package issue. I've looked everywhere for the right solution...tried everything from manually editing to using Settings Savior, etc and nothing is the answer I'm looking for. Not very advanced as a programmer, but should understand enough to figure this out. I like most of the changes suggested by KaiserTweak and want to integrate them plus some others (the WiFi registry edits for the Comm Manager, etc.). Is a provisioning.xml file the answer? My ROMs are generally just for me - but I have had one or two people ask to try them and I hate that you still have to tweak so many settings (via KaiserTweak, etc.) after flashing to get them the way I really want them. Thanks much for any help you can give me.
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I'd suggest reading this post, which basically says, make an OEM package.
Guilf said:
Actually - one other question. Now that I'm to this point I'd like to start making some donations to those that have created the tools that have made it possible for me. What is a standard donation? Don't want to offend either way. Thanks again.
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Anything you choose to donate or can afford. Average is about $20, I've seen as low as $5 and as high as $50.
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Bump. I know I didn't wait long, but it made it to page 3 overnight.
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In the future, if you want a timely response, I suggest you reply to an existing thread. It seems most folks (including myself) use the thread subscriptions tab in the user control panel, so we read the threads we're tracking first, and if we have time, we look at the forum for new threads. Otherwise, your thread will be lost in the shuffle...
Hope this helps!
Alex - thanks a lot....for everything you do. You're exactly who I was referencing when I thought of my first donation. Love your work/help here and your work on the Kitchen is the reason I can cook. Sorry I asked something that you'd answered - I thought I read every post in your latest Kitchen thread (actually most of your threads) multiple times. Been looking for this answer for a while.
BTW - my girlfriend works for IBM and we are up in your area quite a bit. Nice place to live.
Hi all,
This topic is particularly directed towards ROM chefs, although anyone who has an answer pertaining to it by all means should participate.
I would like to create a chef-friendly ROM, like Laurentius' released a while back. The reason for this would be that I would have my base if I ever managed to mess it up, and I could share my bases with this wonderful community.
I've heard that the .rgus and .dsms must be included, but do not have a clue how to do this.
Any help?
thanks guys
Yes, i would like to participate.
In the diamond forums i posted some sort of question also, about why the current roms are locked down.
Some guys say that is for space en free memory reasons, but why do i see the message "Go build your own rom" in allmost every rom when i dump it?
I don't intend to steal, and if i get a package out of someones rom i'll ask it first.
I'd like to see a more open forum(like the good old days) not that every dev is hiding their findings.
So i'm in for it!
Gr. bram
bram_smulders said:
Yes, i would like to participate.
In the diamond forums i posted some sort of question also, about why the current roms are locked down.
Some guys say that is for space en free memory reasons, but why do i see the message "Go build your own rom" in allmost every rom when i dump it?
I don't intend to steal, and if i get a package out of someones rom i'll ask it first.
I'd like to see a more open forum(like the good old days) not that every dev is hiding their findings.
So i'm in for it!
Gr. bram
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precisely,
thanks for the support
sorry for the bump you guys, but is there anyone here that knows how to do this?
Send a PM to Its Right. He makes the TNT roms. He resides mostly in the hermes and wizard forums. He knows the answer to your question.
I totally agree with what your doing. I remember the good old days when packages and roms were shared freely. My kitchen is so far out of date its sad.
I would love to see a nice happy base. I would also love to see a new set of packages available.
I wouldn't mind participating in this "project" at all. I would love to share my base and even make OEMs if needed. Perhaps we can make a huge list of most commonly used OEMs (latest version) and split them among the chefs who would like to participate in this.
I honestly think a collection of OEMs is long overdue. I have a few newer packages that I would gladly contribute. I have been working on a new rom which will be the first one ive publically released.
my roms are always dumpable
look at the new manila2d roms they were looked but we managed to get everything out of it anyway just took us alot more time to get it the realy nesasary.
and by removing the rgu and dsm files you free maybe areound 1 mb prob less.
ok the windowsfolder loads faster but how often are we looking in the windows folder? I rarely do.
I only look there when i have to edit stuff like the start menu and i actually tend to test the speed of a ROM by going there and seeing how fast it loads. Anyhow, it opens up a lot faster in Reso Explorer since it omits system, rom, etc. files.
kareem9nba said:
I wouldn't mind participating in this "project" at all. I would love to share my base and even make OEMs if needed. Perhaps we can make a huge list of most commonly used OEMs (latest version) and split them among the chefs who would like to participate in this.
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Great idea.
I would go step further - common web place for all OEMs (bases etc) where everyone could contribute to and dnld from.
I think we should make a kitchen pantry, just like in the wizard forums.
A place where we enlist bases, oems, cabs, tweaks, and cooking tricks.
A place where users can post their oems to rapidshare or whatever, and post the links here.
Then the mods or threadstarters post those links with info on the first page.
idea?
lets work it out.
I'll setup the base thread within a short hour.
so keep in touch
gr. bram
I have had this feeling since I bought the Kaiser over a year ago. It seems like all the main chefs on here for some reason do not want anyone to open their ROM up and look.
I am completely in on assisting in making OEM's. I would be happy to upload all my packages if someone has a place for them.
Count me in on this....
I have a ton of space left on my 4 share account. Once I get home from work today Ill open a public folder so anyone can upload to it. That way anyone that dosent have a place to put files can use it. I will also upload my packages to it.
Ill post links to my OEMs in Brams thread after work as well
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I have a ton of space left on my 4 share account. Once I get home from work today Ill open a public folder so anyone can upload to it. That way anyone that dosent have a place to put files can use it. I will also upload my packages to it.
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ooh, I've got a TON of packages I'll upload for you guys!
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ooh, I've got a TON of packages I'll upload for you guys!
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Folder is created.
OEM Packages Folder
Decided to do it real quick from the office. The folder should be public with 4.5 gb of space to fill. If we should by chance run low on space I will gladly upgrade. Send me a PM if there are any issues with upload. I will link all of the packages to Brams Thread once I get home tonight if they arent linked already.
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ooh, I've got a TON of packages I'll upload for you guys!
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And i've got a TON of time to enlist all you packs, haha, we have TONs of fun with this ****
BTW, heres my link to the pantry thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=426712
REAd first, don post stupid questions, and keep it clean guys!
gr. bram
Hello guys, i have a question. I want to make my own rom... i have read the tutorial already.
One of the problems is that i dont find the last programm sources for my own rom.
I would be glad if someone want help me a little bit. (The best way was an instant messaging system, indeed).
I can following every point in the tutorial, but i dont know when i can modify something.
Lutgardis
I'm afraid all you can do is read, and re-read these forums. Just about every topic has been covered. If you find a program in someone else's rom that you would like, then send the chef a pm and ask nicely if they will supply the program for you. As programs are updated seemingly weekly it's hard to keep on top of it all. It's not easy creating a rom (I gave up on mine after several attempts at creating one perfectly the way I wanted it). But if you have patience and persistance i'm sure it can be rewarding.