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My brand new Vox is continously rebooting. The only way I can get it to boot is to take out the microsd card, then put it back in after it boots. The microsd card works fine afterwoods, but its really annoying.
Anyone else have this problem?
Looks like you installed something which the Vox doesn't like.
Perhaps facade? (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=307378)
Had the exact same problem. Removing the microSD worked also.
Afterwards it was working fine. The problem started after installing
BatMonitor on the device. Removing it solved the problem permanently.
I would suggest you go through the programs you installed and check
to see wich one is causing the issue.
Thanks guys, I have a feeling you are both right and it is a programs I have installed. I wonder if it's newsbreak as my data file is on my microsd card. I guess I should wipe the device and start over....
For a temporary fix, remove the MicroSD, boot, then put the MicroSD back on.
For a more permanent fix: Install SKTools Lite and run the "Notifications Queue" tool. Then Press ACTION > Mark Duplicates. If you scroll down you will see some duplicates checked. Next press ACTION > Delete marked.
That should keep you running for a while. If the problem re-appears in the future, repeat this procedure.
Thanks. I read that post on Modaco too, but it didn't work for me. For now I just remove the microsd card when I reboot. I guess I will wipe the device and start over at some point...just had everything I wanted loaded right
ayan said:
For a temporary fix, remove the MicroSD, boot, then put the MicroSD back on.
For a more permanent fix: Install SKTools Lite and run the "Notifications Queue" tool. Then Press ACTION > Mark Duplicates. If you scroll down you will see some duplicates checked. Next press ACTION > Delete marked.
That should keep you running for a while. If the problem re-appears in the future, repeat this procedure.
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Had the same problem. Thought it was the Facade, but it turns out not. I don't know what it is but I basically did a hard reset. Put everything I wanted back into the phone and than turned on without MSD card. Once it rebooted, I put the card back in. Since than no reboot problems so far.
I had the same problem, although I am not sure if it is related to installing any particular program. Initially the phone was fine and then it started re-booting on startup. I saw a suggestion of running SKtools and removeing duplicates in the Notification table, this worked for a while, then it came back again.
At first the only cure appeared to be to re-boot without the sd card inserted - inserting it again after the phone was running (I even had the same problem if a blank sd card was card inserted)
I then read about someone putting the phone in Flight mode before turning it off - this also solved the problem - better than removing the card each time.
Mike
yep, this happened to me, although i have no programs installed on my S710! (tho it did have a nasty drop onto the ground - which shouldnt realli affect it)took out the card, and it booted up fine! i keep my phone on 24/7 normally but had run outta battery!
Cheers!
Formatting the MicroSD card worked for me
Problem came back again today, and sett flight mode did not fix it, then i found this http://www.modaco.com/Continuous-reboots-t256186.html
which suggested renaming omap850_sdhc.dll to omap850_sdhc.dll.ol
but in my S710 I only have omap850_sdhc_mux.dll and that file is in rom and I can't copy or rename it.
Looks like it might be a sd card driver bug.
Mike
wizgnome said:
Problem came back again today, and sett flight mode did not fix it, then i found this http://www.modaco.com/Continuous-reboots-t256186.html
which suggested renaming omap850_sdhc.dll to omap850_sdhc.dll.ol
but in my S710 I only have omap850_sdhc_mux.dll and that file is in rom and I can't copy or rename it.
Looks like it might be a sd card driver bug.
Mike
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have you tried to edit the file with a copy of total commader??? sorry if it's such an obvious question...
I did try this with Total Comander!
Looking around at other posts/forums it looks like it is a WM6 problem. Probably related to the SD card driver.
At the moment the only consistant suggestion, is to reboot with the SD card removed and insert it when the phone is back up and running.
I managed to get the phone to boot with the SD card inserted!
I know that when booting that I do not run any applications which are installed on the SD card. But the home screen does display things which are located on the SD card - in particular the skype plugin, and the mru list display icons from files located on the SD card.
I change my homescreen to "Sindows Simple" which does not contain either of these and re-booted.
The phone came back up first time!
- Is windows trying to access the card too soon - before the driver has loaded maybe?
Mike
wizgnome said:
I managed to get the phone to boot with the SD card inserted!
I know that when booting that I do not run any applications which are installed on the SD card. But the home screen does display things which are located on the SD card - in particular the skype plugin, and the mru list display icons from files located on the SD card.
I change my homescreen to "Sindows Simple" which does not contain either of these and re-booted.
The phone came back up first time!
- Is windows trying to access the card too soon - before the driver has loaded maybe?
Mike
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Not sure if its trying to access it to soon but with my HTC Herald I had similar problem. By removing and home screen plugin's related to the memory card, as well as any other links to the memory card such as storing PIE cache and saving pictures it seemed to work for a bit, but just as I thought I solved it, the problem re-appeared. Paul seemed to have fixed the issue for ppc's (sdhc dll that was causing the problem)but it doesn't seem as though the solution can be carried over because the vox is not SDHC. Another cause the some speculate is that there are multiple notifications that boot at the same time, maybe cleaning these would help.
On another note I have just upgraded my friend's vox to the dopod rom and it seems as if the problem has disappeared (hopefully for good.) I will try to invoke the problem again by running programs from the memory at boot and see if this nag has been squeezed out by HTC sister company. Has anyone else tried to upgrade to the dopod rom???
cheers
Hi,
I had previously removed duplicate notifications and ensured that no applications on the SD card were run at start up, including setting the browser cache back to the phone memory.
I can now cause the problem to occur or boot normally just by switching homescreens.
I edited my home screens xml to remove all plugins that refered to applications on the sd card, including the mru list - this home screen allows normal boot. The other version causes the re-boot loop.
Mike.
I can confirm that my numerous attempts to invoke the boot-loop after upgrading to the dopod rom have thankfully failed.
neptune 1
boot loop 12083798
Ok so maybe the boot loop has gotten the best of me (atleast 40 hard resets) over the past couple of months, but the problems have been choked to death on my herald and the vox...any last words...
EDITS if this mf'er pulls an Arnold like "I'll be back" I swear ima go all terminator on this phone and blow it to pieces with a pack of m-80's
I managed to solve this problem on my phone by renaming the directory "/windows/Autorun/Storage Card" to "/windows/Autorun/OldStorage Card"
Maybe it would help in your cases..
Hello everyone,
i own a Raphael since January and in this time it allready killed 2 SD-Cards.
The first one about 4 months ago.
Suddenly in the middle of usage the Raphael froze and i could not get it started again. even after a hardreset it was stuck in the bootscreen.
after a lot of trying and finally removing the sd card it bootet again without a problem.
the card was not readable anymore in any of my devices or windows boxes.
i thougth myself. well can happen even when a card is only half a year old got a new 8GB card and forgot about the incident.
yesterday while listening to some podcast suddenly the sound died. taking out the phone i found out it did not reacted to any power button presses or anything the screen stayed black.
after a softreset the phone worked again but took about 5 minutes to get in a usable state and the programms installed on the sd card where not aviable anymore.
taking a closer look i found that the card was not displayed in file explorer anymore.
gave it a try with my mp3 player. same result no card was found.
today in the morning i gave it a try on the pc with an sd-adabter. but also no result, wondows does not even recocnizes any device being plugged in. tryed a few data recover tools but non of them found the card.
someone has similiar experiances or any tips how i could get my data back from the card?
i guess the phone has to be send back for maintainance, but i doubt that they will find anything, if they accept it at all.
I have changed 4 sd cards because of similar problems. But the problem is most likely because of the fragility of high capacity microSDs, I wouldn't blame Raphael. Try other manufacturers (and try to find the ones that are not just rebranded)
I've had many issues with sd card corruption, but have solved some of the issues. Here's my advice (fwiw):
1. Get a card scanner, and regularly scan your catd. I do it everyday (takes 5 min). I use Wizcode Scandisk. It fixes errors and dumps out files that can be opened in notepad. It's worth looking at them, as it helped me find the multiple sources of corruption that I had.
2. Don't put your PIE cache on the card.
3. Change all 'save' paths (esp. the camera) to main memory.
4. Store any programs you use a lot on main memory.
5. Do NOT have any programs that run constantly on the sd card.
6. Do NOT put Fingerkeyboard on the sd card (major problem for me).
Basically, my advice is to use sd cards for storage. The Raphael has a lot of memory-use it for programs. I haven't had to format my card in about 4 months. I was doing it every couple of weeks for a while.
well basically i was using my sd card as a storage place for movies and podcast + podcastplayer prog.
and was using the player more or less the whole day.
i used the same card (and the other one before) also in my mp3 player when the raphael or the bt headset run out of power and there is no power outlet aviable to recharge. and twice the card failed in the rapahel.
when i got a new card, i also found that the card is working 100% on pc and mp3 player, but the raphael still can not see any sd card.
i really blame the phone and also assume that it now has a defective reader.
have to give it back to repairs as soon i have flashed the original firmware and make my way back to the store
You should scan the disk to find out the error sources. It may be something simple that causing them. Also, if your phone freezes when listening to music, you may want to either wait it out, or remove the card before soft resetting. You should do some searches on card corruption. There are lots of threads here that can be helpful.
many Sdcard and usbStick manufacturers got lowlevel format tools you can download and get cards not otherwise working in cardreaders on pc back to life
would love to get those cards working again. but i also would love to get the data back that was on them.
but the problem is the cards do not even appear on the pc, or any other device i have that can read/write them (usb card reader, digi cam, mp3 player)
its just as if nothing is ever inserted in the reader.
the low level format tools don't rely on windows driver model to detect cards
Flash Format (cnetx) has always been able to re-format my card, even when my pc couldn't recognize it and neither could my fuze. It has a free trial that works fine.
I haven't experienced any of these issues myself. But I'm sure I will now that I said that....
i gave that flash format a try, but it even failed to install. was one of those weird .exe installers. on the pc side it told me install was sucessfull, but on the ppc side was just a promt "installation failed".
a cab install would be nice, but without a working cardreader in the phone i guess would also not be of much help. i guess cuz of that that prog will not help me much. the reader in the phone is broken. cant read any cards, even brand new unused ones that are fine everywhere else just dont show up on the phone.
as for other "low level format tools" my search was quite unsecessful. i was looking at the sandisk and the transcend page (the suppliers of my 3 cards) but could not find anything.
google just found more request for this kind of program but not really somewhere where i could get it.
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i gave that flash format a try, but it even failed to install. was one of those weird .exe installers. on the pc side it told me install was sucessfull, but on the ppc side was just a promt "installation failed".
a cab install would be nice, but without a working cardreader in the phone i guess would also not be of much help. i guess cuz of that that prog will not help me much. the reader in the phone is broken. cant read any cards, even brand new unused ones that are fine everywhere else just dont show up on the phone.
as for other "low level format tools" my search was quite unsecessful. i was looking at the sandisk and the transcend page (the suppliers of my 3 cards) but could not find anything.
google just found more request for this kind of program but not really somewhere where i could get it.
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Check C:\Program Files\Microsoft ActiveSync\CNETX-you'll find the cab in there. There will be several-you want the PPC-Arm one. It should install fine.
Card Freeze
Yeah I had the same thing happen. Raphael would not boot unless I removed the card and as soon as I placed the card back into the sd slot it would lock up. Unlike you I was able to get on of my PCs (either the XP Pro or the Vista Pro) to recognize it but all I could do was format it.
OK I like the idea of moving all the data to the main however I'm an old Windows CE guy (yeah I had a Jornado) and the memory used to be shared between program and storage. The device would allocate from the other when more was needed. If I place all the stuff I want into the Raphael main memory won't that lower the amount of RAM I have for running programs or vice versa? I really don't know if the memory is fluid since all I get when I look into the memory is one listing total storage and one total program, there is no slider bar like there used to be in windows ce.
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Yeah I had the same thing happen. Raphael would not boot unless I removed the card and as soon as I placed the card back into the sd slot it would lock up. Unlike you I was able to get on of my PCs (either the XP Pro or the Vista Pro) to recognize it but all I could do was format it.
OK I like the idea of moving all the data to the main however I'm an old Windows CE guy (yeah I had a Jornado) and the memory used to be shared between program and storage. The device would allocate from the other when more was needed. If I place all the stuff I want into the Raphael main memory won't that lower the amount of RAM I have for running programs or vice versa? I really don't know if the memory is fluid since all I get when I look into the memory is one listing total storage and one total program, there is no slider bar like there used to be in windows ce.
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The storage memory on the device is flash, not ram, so you don't lose program memory changing the save paths to main memory (if that's what you meant by moving data to main memory).
I never had any issues with my storage cards (sd and cf) on my 2003 device. I don't think it was the device, but rather the cards. The big, 16 gb cards just seem to be less hardy than a 1-2 gb card. I had all my apps on the storage card (including stuff like magic button), and never had a problem. But, jeez, the 16 g microsd is sensitive as hell. It gets minor bits of corruption at least once a week. I scan it everyday to avoid it crashing, which has helped, because I've gone 4 months without formatting it. One thing that I've found screws it up royally is doing a lot of file/directory operations over active sync on a pc. I don't know why, but cutting and pasting files from one folder to another in the sd card frequently results in lost clusters. Renaming folders is also a bad idea.
OK Flash
Well I guess I didn't explain it correctly. According to HTC the RAM is 288MB with a ROM of 512MB. So I'm really confused since according to the start>settings>system>memory the total for my storage and my program = 549MB which is of course more than 288 and 512. So when I load applications into my device and get a choice of main or storage card when it was a large file (some apps I use were 14 megs or more) I would choose the storage card.
My old experience with Windows CE was whatever memory was on the device was shared with both the program and storage, so I would put as much as possible on my storage card. However in windows 6.1 or higher it lists two separate columns for Program and Storage with: Total, In Use, and Free. So when I install apps I presumed they went into the storage area. Am I mistaken? I figured Program on the device meant how much is currently in use. Kinda like opening multiple windows on a PC. I notice it's low when at once I have 4 applications open on my windows mobile device so that's what I thought Program memory was.
Therefore does installing to the Main, when given a choice during program installation. where does it get installed ROM, RAM? Why is my total memory higher than RAM or the ROM
Any insight would help me decide the best location for my program installation to not corrupt the data, or have the flash card screw me up either.
288 MB is the total amount of system ram. A large amount is not user-accessible, it's used by the kernel/OS/Page-pool, so you don't see it reported. It's still there, though. The rom memory is 512 MB, but the actual memory in rom is subtracted by the storage memory so you see the amount of user-available memory. With 2003 devices, if the battery ran down, you lost all of your data, because the storage memory was in RAM (except perhaps for a little flash disk space). But with a fuze, you can pull the battery out, and not lose your data.
Totally confused
OK your right about the 2003 devices which is why I placed most of my stuff on a storage card. However why is my total reported memory 549MB more than the 512 ROM? Also when I install stuff to the device where does it get stored, the 512 ROM? Are you saying that the 200mb of Program being shown is 288 RAM minus the 88 being used to run the OS?
So are you saying its safe to install all my apps onto the device and I won't lose anything if the battery runs out?
Yeah, I've been saying that for about 3 weeks, lol! They got rid of the volatile storage memory with winmo 5; we're onto 6.5 now, and it's a thing of the distant past. I you don't believe me, pull out your battery (there's no backup battery on the device) and see if it causes a hard reset.
This is not an uncommon problem with digital cameras, as well. It's complicated, but the bottom line is this: whenever you buy an SD/micro SDHC/etc. card, you should do a full format of it on your COMPUTER, then put it in your device.
Hi all,
I've been having major issues with my HD2 ever since i got it. Whats been happening is i get lag quite a lot causing the handset to lock up and i have to leave it alone for about 30 seconds before it returns to normal.
Today i managed to find what i believe is causing the problem. It all seems to stem from using opera, as today i noticed that after i closed opera the task manager indicated that opera application wasn't running but the process opera9.exe was still running. Whilst it was running it was sat between 90-99% cpu usage and if i tried to use the phone for anything i got major lag. After about 30 seconds the opera process would end and the phone would return to normal.
Phone Details
Opera - 9.7 Build 35627
Rom - 1.66.405.2 (76641) WWE
Manila - 2.5.19211619.0
I have seen roms with a later build of opera for example
Dutty Opera_Browser_9_70_35989_0 - Dutty ML V3 1.77 EN||1.72 V2.8 SV|DE|FR|NL|IT|ES|PT|DA|NO|5.2.21901
Where can i get hold of a cab to try and sort out my issue?
Try HERE..........................................
Thanks for the link.......just tried 9.7 build 35801 but thats just the same.
I might try and flash the 1.66 stock rom again to see if that sorts it out.
Check out this registry key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Opera\Preload
Name: RealExit
If it's 0 make it 1 and soft reset.
Just checked and it was already set to 1.
Because I've had this issue before I did a hard reset and left it standard with the exception of moving the opera cache location to the storage card. I have just reset that back to default and things seem to behaving. Could the size of the cache folder cause problems?
I'll try moving it back to the storage card and see if it starts doing it again.
Just an Idea, is your opera cache set to your sd card or memory?
I had this, if i had it set to phone memory and tried to open a file (eg video) and not save it it would kill my phone.
Hope it helps
OK guys i've found the root cause of the problem when i get with lag for about 30 seconds after closing opera.
Its the size of the cache directory and location. (works fine when on device)
What i did was delete the cache directory on my memory card and over the day did some browsing. I kept checking the size of the cache folder and as i got towards 3Mb things started to slow down after i closed opera. I checked in the task manager and the opera9.exe remained running for about 20-30 seconds during which time if i tried to do anything i got major lag issues.
I then renamed the opera9 cache directory and started opera and all was back to normal.
I then renamed the cache directory back and the lag started again.
Currently my cache directory is 3.98Mb.......does any one else experience this?
I'm just about to try another memory card (2Gb) to see if its down to the card..............also can you limit the size of the cache directory anywhere as i cannot be bothered to keep going into the setting and clearing out the cache directory............and yes i know there are programs like cleartemp which can do this for me but i just dont like keep adding apps for the sake of it?
I set my cache to zero and it runs fast all the time
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I set my cache to zero and it runs fast all the time
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Ok, thanks for that.......so what is the setting in opera:config for the cache size?
Just tried a different micro sd card and that lags the same.
I have just reset the cache location back to the device and moved the actual cache folder from the memory card to the device and I don't get any lag.......opera9.exe ends straight away when I exit opera.
The 8Gb card I have is a class 4 and the 2Gb card is a class 2........is there anyone using the memory card as the cache location with folder size above 4Mb? and does your opera9.exe process (not application) end straight away when you exit opera?
Hi people,everithing was workin fine until last week.I have igo8 installed on my memory card(Kingston 8gb)for about 4-5months and before some days makes me crazy,everytime i start it the aplication ask me to install it :O and to use the navigation i was forced to make all the steps everytime .I format Memory Card and install igo 8 again,no problems until yesterday,igo icon was blank and when i tap on it the phone freeze .I think the problem is in neotouch but i hope is in memory card or igo8.What do you think people?
here is screenshot of igo8 icon http://img80.imageshack.us/i/screen001ua.png/
same thing happens to me ,with other programm(Vito Notes).
i think it has to do with the s200 reading the SD.
Most definite it's a problem while reading the memory card. First step reboot and try again. Second step: Check the memory card in another computer. Third step: Remove any software which might "grab" the card handler. Hope that helps.
I always make all these steps without the last one.What you mean with "Remove any software which might "grab" the card handler"?And one more thing,when i check the files in IGO folder i found something crazy,files that i cant delete :O,here is the screenshot
Ouch. That looks like a corrupted file system on your card. If you got a valid backup from your card you should reformat the memory card and then copy all files back onto it. If not, backup all files (which are still readable) to a PC and then reformat the card, copy all other valid files back and reinstall the missing files.
Answer to the "grab" statement: Programs like CardExport or any other program which allows reading the memory card via USB connection will hide the memory card from your device while active by "grabbing" access to the memory card.
"That looks like a corrupted file system on your card".Yes,i think you are right.This is not the first time this happening,maybe is better to buy another card,because i format the card 3-4 times and have problems everytime?
Yes. It's not worth the trouble to use the faulty memory card any longer. (Life is too short ). Good luck.
Thanks,i will bye another one probably SanDisk i never had any problem whit.Now i am using Kingston and dont recommend it!Thanks again for helping me
Hello guys, wishing you all a very pleasant day.
Many people have that pain in the a** problem when the application manager of their smartphone starts to act weird. It is that when you try to clear the cache, delete app data or even uninstall an application, the application manager get stuck on "computing/calculating" and never stops. Also, when you try to uninstall an application, it gets stuck on "uninstalling" and never ends!
I had this problem on my HTC Desire 500 since about day 7 of purchasing, I figured the solution for this after months of searching on the web for a quick solution for this frustrating issue without taking it back for repair. I thought it was a software malfunction but the cause for that problem was the most unexpected factor; the SD card!
As an initial trial, I pulled the SD card out and started using the phone without it for a whole day. I checked the application manager every now and then and it was surprisingly working all fine! I put the SD card back and the problem came back out of nowhere!
So, here is how I solved that problem:
- Shutdown your phone and pull out the SD card. If the problem is gone then follow the below procedure:
1. Connect your smartphone to your laptop and copy all of your important photos, videos and songs to your laptop. DO NOT USE SD CARD BACKUP FUNCTION.
2. You might figure out that your smartphone cannot unmount the SD card, so you cannot format it from there. So, as a countermeasure, shutdown your smartphone, pull out your SD card and connect it to your laptop for a quick format.
3. After connecting the SD card to your laptop right click on the driver then select "format > quick format".
4. The file system should be FAT32 and the allocation size to be 4096 bytes (I'm not sure why the 4096 bytes in particular but I found many people recommending it)
5. Press "Start" to start formatting.
6. Pull your SD Card out and re-insert it back in your smartphone. Re-download your applications and do some checking for a whole days for the features that was not working "clear cache, clear app date, uninstall app, unmount SD card". and I hope they'll be working well.
The above solution is applicable for all types of smartphones, not only for HTC.
If anyone tries this method and works with them, please let me know
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Thanks mate! You solved my problem