I'm just wondering why all WM6 roms released have such low page pools. I know why the page pool exists and what effects having a higher or lower page pool are, but Is it really neccessary to have a 6mb page pool which only slows down the rom when you could have a 10mb or 12mb page pool and have a high performance phone and still have sufficient program memory.
Having a 4mb page pool will make the total free device storage around 52mb
Having a 6mb page pool will make the total free device storage around 50mb
Having a 8mb page pool will make the total free device storage around 48mb
Having a 10mb page pool will make the total free device storage around 46mb
Having a 12mb page pool will make the total free device storage around 44mb which is the official page pool size and produces the highest performance.
I use a considerable amount of 3rd party software but even with a 12mb page pool on WM5 I am still able to install all of it and it does not slow the phone down at all. I think the same thing would happen with WM6 if it had a 12mb page pool.
If anyone knows how to edit the nk.nbf file to change the page pool then could you please post it here? I want to change the page pool in TNT5.0 Touchflo edition to 10 mb page pool.
Thanks in advance, Dan.
You can use this to change the PP quite easily. You can use it on an NBH or extracted OS.nb.
Have fun!
TaurusBullba said:
You can use this to change the PP quite easily. You can use it on an NBH or extracted OS.nb.
Have fun!
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Thank you very much for that. can you point me in the right direction to where I find directions to rebuild the nk.nbf file after modifying the os.nb file?
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Thank you very much for that. can you point me in the right direction to where I find directions to rebuild the nk.nbf file after modifying the os.nb file?
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There should be a signed NBH in the ROM. So, no need to rebuild anything.
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There should be a signed NBH in the ROM. So, no need to rebuild anything.
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When I open the program and search for files, it will only detect os.nb files. I can't seem to find any NBH files anywhere.
I guess what I am trying to say, is how do I change the OS.nb file back into an nk.nbf file? If you could send me off in the right direction to a thread where they tell you how to do that or if there is some tool that could do it, then that would be great.
EDIT:: Gotta love google. I think I found the app I am looking for but not sure yet. I will post my results when after I try it out. Thanks again for your help.
You can also try with this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=329170
It's easy enough...
hehe, i just noticed that it has no 10MB pp...
anichillus said:
You can also try with this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=329170
It's easy enough...
hehe, i just noticed that it has no 10MB pp...
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Nice one anichillus. I just got back and was going to give him the same link as an easier option.
Granted, it doesn't have a 10MB pp. But if you're going to go for 10, why not 12?
Go for 12!
dharvey4651 said:
I'm just wondering why all WM6 roms released have such low page pools. I know why the page pool exists and what effects having a higher or lower page pool are, but Is it really neccessary to have a 6mb page pool which only slows down the rom when you could have a 10mb or 12mb page pool and have a high performance phone and still have sufficient program memory.
Having a 4mb page pool will make the total free device storage around 52mb
Having a 6mb page pool will make the total free device storage around 50mb
Having a 8mb page pool will make the total free device storage around 48mb
Having a 10mb page pool will make the total free device storage around 46mb
Having a 12mb page pool will make the total free device storage around 44mb which is the official page pool size and produces the highest performance.
I use a considerable amount of 3rd party software but even with a 12mb page pool on WM5 I am still able to install all of it and it does not slow the phone down at all. I think the same thing would happen with WM6 if it had a 12mb page pool.
If anyone knows how to edit the nk.nbf file to change the page pool then could you please post it here? I want to change the page pool in TNT5.0 Touchflo edition to 10 mb page pool.
Thanks in advance, Dan.
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Just letting you know that the wiki does have a page on changing page pool for WM6. Alternatively you can use that mestrini's wizard tool or there was another tool floating around here too.
I think I read somewhere that all WM6 roms came with 6Mb page pool as standard. From memory I believe the ingenetics dump was 6Mb by default and I remember other members discussing this.
peter petrelli said:
Just letting you know that the wiki does have a page on changing page pool for WM6. Alternatively you can use that mestrini's wizard tool or there was another tool floating around here too.
I think I read somewhere that all WM6 roms came with 6Mb page pool as standard. From memory I believe the ingenetics dump was 6Mb by default and I remember other members discussing this.
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I actually did look in the wiki after I created this thread and found exactly what I am looking for. See my signiature: I made a custom nk.nbf file that has the T-Mobile 2.19.11 UK radio, a 12MB page pool version of TNT5.0, and also a set of custom splash screens.
It took me a little while to figure out what i was doing, probably because my computer is so unorganized but I managed to figure it out and am lovin it.
How much of a differene are you seeing in performance with the 12mb page pool?
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I think I read somewhere that all WM6 roms came with 6Mb page pool as standard. From memory I believe the ingenetics dump was 6Mb by default and I remember other members discussing this.
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The original dump of Ingenetics was 10MB Page Pool. Thats part of why that sucker was so fast when we first had it.
There was a thread (over in the Wizard Upgrading forum I think) where someone did some tests on a rom with various PP sizes. I seem to recall that 6MB was about the same as 8MB in speed (and the extra memory available was believed to be better so 6MB became very popular). 10 and 12MB definetly are faster roms, but if you run very many apps at once, then you start running into memory issues.
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The original dump of Ingenetics was 10MB Page Pool. Thats part of why that sucker was so fast when we first had it.
There was a thread (over in the Wizard Upgrading forum I think) where someone did some tests on a rom with various PP sizes. I seem to recall that 6MB was about the same as 8MB in speed (and the extra memory available was believed to be better so 6MB became very popular). 10 and 12MB definetly are faster roms, but if you run very many apps at once, then you start running into memory issues.
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Ah, i wish i could add little ram boards to this tough fella
I must say that speed based on page pool may differer from rom to rom.
I know that many say that a big page pool will make your rom go faster...but not true in all cases. For example, the rom that i am running now, i've tested it with 4, 6 and 8 MB page pool, but instead of insane high speeds i got lower free ram and instability. Yes, of course maybe i did something wrong...though i doubt it. Just wanting to let you know.
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10 and 12MB definetly are faster roms, but if you run very many apps at once, then you start running into memory issues.
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I thought having larger page pools are supposed to allow you to run many apps at once, or am I confused?
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The original dump of Ingenetics was 10MB Page Pool. Thats part of why that sucker was so fast when we first had it.
There was a thread (over in the Wizard Upgrading forum I think) where someone did some tests on a rom with various PP sizes. I seem to recall that 6MB was about the same as 8MB in speed (and the extra memory available was believed to be better so 6MB became very popular). 10 and 12MB definetly are faster roms, but if you run very many apps at once, then you start running into memory issues.
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Could have sworn that the ingenetics I was playing with was 6Mb, but it could have been 10Mb or perhaps the version I was using was already tampered with. Shame the original raw files arent around to check.
Interestingly enough, I think that the page pool size will always default to an even number. I tried using F0 thinking I would receive a 15Mb pagepool but instead it was 12Mb. I know what your thinking, what if 12Mb is the maximum? Well yes this could be true, but to this I say try 5,7,9 etc and see what happens..... Finally just thought I'd mention that 2Mb boots up (sometimes) and has a scary amount of free ram but the device takes 2 years to boot and the excess CPU usage causes a horrific battery life.
peter petrelli said:
Could have sworn that the ingenetics I was playing with was 6Mb, but it could have been 10Mb or perhaps the version I was using was already tampered with. Shame the original raw files arent around to check.
Interestingly enough, I think that the page pool size will always default to an even number. I tried using F0 thinking I would receive a 15Mb pagepool but instead it was 12Mb. I know what your thinking, what if 12Mb is the maximum? Well yes this could be true, but to this I say try 5,7,9 etc and see what happens..... Finally just thought I'd mention that 2Mb boots up (sometimes) and has a scary amount of free ram but the device takes 2 years to boot and the excess CPU usage causes a horrific battery life.
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WOW this sounds good!!!! Page pool and battery life... i`ll test this, maybe that`s why WM5 has souch a good battery life - 12MB PP
peter petrelli said:
Could have sworn that the ingenetics I was playing with was 6Mb, but it could have been 10Mb or perhaps the version I was using was already tampered with. Shame the original raw files arent around to check.
Interestingly enough, I think that the page pool size will always default to an even number. I tried using F0 thinking I would receive a 15Mb pagepool but instead it was 12Mb. I know what your thinking, what if 12Mb is the maximum? Well yes this could be true, but to this I say try 5,7,9 etc and see what happens..... Finally just thought I'd mention that 2Mb boots up (sometimes) and has a scary amount of free ram but the device takes 2 years to boot and the excess CPU usage causes a horrific battery life.
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2 years to boot!!!
good
Just a word of warning for changing PP without rebuilding:
The tool available somewhere around here worked perfectly for TNT 4.0 for me... I tried different sizes, settled on 4 MB (I like more memory).
Just yesterday I hoped to do the same for TNT 5.0 TouchFlo... Well, bad luck together with my stupidity...
When saving the old value it saved 0 (so it clearly was reading in a bad place). But I said, well - let's try it anyway. If needed I will restore the 0... Very bad idea...
After changing the PP and soft reset there were errors when booting (though it started in the end). I tried to restore the backuped value - no way. The OS was hopelessly screwed up - some application CABs failed to installed completely (like EnableRapi.cab or a client for SOTI Pocket Controller).
Ok, time to hard reset - no go - the same situation.
I attempted to flash my provider's ROM - the update utility reported the Wizard does not respond...
Ok, I started to think about a nice excuse I would use when going to service with my Wizard... I really did not feel well (and commented to my wife what an idiot I am).
In the end I went to bootlader and flashed my provider's ROM... Fortunately it worked, so I spent just a few ours by reinstalling everything....
Mirek
Yeah, that exactly happened to me with TNT 5.0. Once I changed the pagepool to 12MB, I got stuck on splash screen and there was no way except the bootloader. Even a hard reset didn't work.
Ups...
you should read more before making some changes...
starkwong said:
I can confirm that 0x36855A is the correct page pool for OS 5.2.1620. Just change the bat like this:
pdocwrite 12.nb 0x36855A
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Synseer said:
How much of a differene are you seeing in performance with the 12mb page pool?
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I noticed a considerable difference with a 12mb page pool as compared to a 6mb page poool. The whole point of a lower pagepool is to release more storage space, not even ram. With a higher page pool you will have less internal storage space but the phone will operate much smoother and you will have less problems with installing large amounts of 3rd party software.
mirekluza said:
Just a word of warning for changing PP without rebuilding:
The tool available somewhere around here worked perfectly for TNT 4.0 for me... I tried different sizes, settled on 4 MB (I like more memory).
Just yesterday I hoped to do the same for TNT 5.0 TouchFlo... Well, bad luck together with my stupidity...
When saving the old value it saved 0 (so it clearly was reading in a bad place). But I said, well - let's try it anyway. If needed I will restore the 0... Very bad idea...
After changing the PP and soft reset there were errors when booting (though it started in the end). I tried to restore the backuped value - no way. The OS was hopelessly screwed up - some application CABs failed to installed completely (like EnableRapi.cab or a client for SOTI Pocket Controller).
Ok, time to hard reset - no go - the same situation.
I attempted to flash my provider's ROM - the update utility reported the Wizard does not respond...
Ok, I started to think about a nice excuse I would use when going to service with my Wizard... I really did not feel well (and commented to my wife what an idiot I am).
In the end I went to bootlader and flashed my provider's ROM... Fortunately it worked, so I spent just a few ours by reinstalling everything....
Mirek
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jacknjill said:
Yeah, that exactly happened to me with TNT 5.0. Once I changed the pagepool to 12MB, I got stuck on splash screen and there was no way except the bootloader. Even a hard reset didn't work.
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I would never use the paradis pal's page pool mod as it tends to screw things up... Like you will notice that if you use the page pool mod sometimes you will not be able to install cab files and it will always corrupt advanced config.exe. Also the reason a hard reset would not work is because it changes the values directly in the rom and unless you reflash, you're stuck that way.
Personally, this what I did to create a 12mb page pool version of this rom:
Used Shelltool to extract OS
Then I used Pagepool Changer.exe to change the pagepool fom 6mb to 12mb
I used wizard service tool to extract the .nb files from the radio I wanted and also the custom splash screens I wanted
Once I had the .nb files for all 4 items, I used nb2nbf.exe to combine all of them into one single nk.nbf file and then used SoftSPL to flash with great success.
For anyone with basic cooking skills, I would reccomend this.
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Hi There,
Ive been admiring the work of many here for a very long time.
I have owned a Blue Angel for about 18 months and a wizard since January.
The wizard has been flashed around 7 times in 4 weeks lol which is quite a bit for an HTC noob like me.
I have tried Orwells Rom (very stable for me) but then decided to upgrade to .mUn.'s rom as it was a newer version.
Unfortunately it wasnt quite as vanilla as I like.
Vanilla == No reg tweaks, No apps at all and no damned Cyberon!
Everytime I try to build myself a rom (tried Molski's kit and NotTooSmart's) I get a problem.
Dump decrypted NBA with Typhoon Tools
prepare_imgfs (with nosplit)
viewimgfs
hv > rgu
Added REGEDIT4 to the top line, saved as unicode, did everything correct as far as I know.
then back to hv's (yep right size, 750kb ish)
Then put it all back together. (incl the removal of bytes form initflashfiles.dat back to the first
1st Time with Molski's Kit = Booted fine, but would never load OS after a softreset
(few more attempts with the same kinda thing - failed )
Last time with NTS's kit = Stuck on the splash the IPL/SPL and would go no further.
Sorry for my ignorance, but what have I missed!
I hear about XIP sections and what have you, means very little to me!
I just want to build myself a rom on which I can mess around with :'(
Thanks Folks,
-Whiterat
When you remove the bytes from the front of the initfileflashes.dat file, what are you removing? It should just the FF, FE. Also, make sure you have English set in your regional and language options under the advanced tab.
If that fails, you may have a corrupt nk.nbf, since you've had BOTH kitchens fail. I would download a new ROM copy, dump and immediately rebuild and flash just to make sure you are properly going through that process. Then make one change at a time. It's time consuming I know, but you'll be wiser for the experience.
Peace,
JB
jwzg:
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
initflashfiles.dat should start with a ; (Since ; is used to remark lines) so I just remove back to that.
With regards to setting English, where abouts is the advanced tab? In what program even?
I did as you said with the nk.nbf and it goes on just fine without editting a thing
Its a pain testing these things, since I usually end up having to restore from SD which rewrites the extended rom, gsm, os, spash screen, htc screen,etc and then it takes ages for me to reflash my bits!
I can upload my rom if someone is willing to take a peek, see if I have missed something really obvious?
Too many files?
I had a similar issue (I think?) where everything seemed to work and the nk.nbf file was created OK. However there would be an error logged in the Windows Event Log about faulting an application. The resulting ROM image would install but I got a white screen following the reset (it made noises like it was working though). I followed the instructions for Molskis cooking tools to the letter and couldn't understand what the issue was I posted on here for some assistance but after I got no helpful replies I played around a bit more and realised the dump folder was slightly over 128MB (Size said less but I think it was over?). Anyway I removed some more files I didn't need and low and behold it all worked
I don't know what the absolute maximum size the dump folder can be, but I keep mine below 128,000,000 bytes....
HTH
Andy
ADB100 said:
...but I keep mine below 128,000,000 bytes....
HTH
Andy
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Size on disk?
Whiterat said:
jwzg:
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
initflashfiles.dat should start with a ; (Since ; is used to remark lines) so I just remove back to that.
With regards to setting English, where abouts is the advanced tab? In what program even?
I did as you said with the nk.nbf and it goes on just fine without editting a thing
Its a pain testing these things, since I usually end up having to restore from SD which rewrites the extended rom, gsm, os, spash screen, htc screen,etc and then it takes ages for me to reflash my bits!
I can upload my rom if someone is willing to take a peek, see if I have missed something really obvious?
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Not talking about that...
You have to open up initfileflashes.dat with a hex editor and remove the first two bytes (FF, FE). Then you can put the file back into the dump folder and build it.
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The dump folder of the last one I cooked said:
Size: 121 MB (127,089,811 bytes)
Size on disk 131 MB (137,654,272 bytes)
And this worked fine, it was a re-heat of Faria's Real Thing ROM where I re-added VoIP & Windows Update (VoIP works but Windows Update won't and I can't figure out why - the application fails to connect to the MS site and won't close, but that's another story.......).
Andy
Yep I get that, I am a reverse engineer by trade so naturally I get what the manual had to say.
The limitation of imgfs is IF there are more than 1500 files being added to nk.nbf, the file size limitation also applies.
I am not adding any files to the dump, simply removing the cyberon stuff (and removing the microsoft callbacks, and sqm stuff)
Tried buling without removing sqm stuff and same thing.
I guess its just not going to be my thing
Here's what to do.
Delete the current 84000000-os.nb file in the ROMDUMP folder, then remake it. That should solve your problem. I forgot that I had the same problem.
Ahh I will give that a go
I was hoping to pick up a half broken wizard from ebay (broken digitiser/blocked/missing case/etc) and just use it as a tester, since I get alot of people whining when I am uncontactable for 90 mins
(About the right time to fiddle, flash and reinstall stuff)
Hi all, has anyone had any problems with phone pad when you select it the original keyboard comes up
Its driving me crazy!
search around this has been discussed here before somewhere...can't remember where!
I think it might be to do with memory (lack of)... have you changed the page pool size?
Maybe you have apps running in startup?
if you have something like "SPB pocket plus" installed, you could try loading Windows in "safe mode" and see if it lets you choose the phone pad then...
<edit> removed my other edit as per post below
triplejay said:
search around this has been discussed here before somewhere...can't remember where!
I think it might be to do with memory (lack of)... have you changed the page pool size?
Maybe you have apps running in startup?
if you have something like "SPB pocket plus" installed, you could try loading Windows in "safe mode" and see if it lets you choose the phone pad then...
<edit> ha, just clicked on your username. Why don't you try the 12mbPP version, or change your PP to 12 with the tool....
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hahahh,you are killing me i have problem with 8mb pool size version ))
ok this is weird!
I have been playing about and i tried the following:
1. turn on flight mode
2. reboot
3. wait until the backlight turns off
4. change the input method
This (for some odd reason) worked! But i have a funny feeling its totally random
What advantages are there of the 12mb pp? I was always under the impression that the lower it was the better (in terms of memory)
ceanth said:
ok this is weird!
I have been playing about and i tried the following:
1. turn on flight mode
2. reboot
3. wait until the backlight turns off
4. change the input method
This (for some odd reason) worked! But i have a funny feeling its totally random
What advantages are there of the 12mb pp? I was always under the impression that the lower it was the better (in terms of memory)
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Just done this trick of mine and its not working
Shouldnt have rebooted the phone
changing pool size didnt work (cause my phone to hang for some reason)
The only solution i found which worked is this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1662514#post1662514
mea culpa: i thought I knew things but I really didn't...
good that u got it sorted...I guess if you load as "default" it will load the phone pad into ram instead of the standard keyboard thus saving some memory
Why don't you try the 12mbPP version, or change your PP to 12 with the tool....
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hmm i posted that? whoops. Ok, I wasn't sober. That's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it.
y'know, i used to know this stuff, How did I manage to get things so confused...
i can't find the links to the msdn developer blogs where it's all explained nicely
(and that search button is just saying "come and trawl through 1000 noob posts" lol)
so now I'm confusing myself
Deep in the depths of the operating system of your device, there is something called the 'PagePool'. Without going into too much detail (and as I understand it!), the PagePool is a special area of memory reserved for loading apps into from ROM. This PagePool is a lot faster than ROM, so when things are executed from this 'cache' instead, the performance of a device will be quicker. On the flipside, if you have a 8MB pagepool (HTC Touch) and you're using, say, 4MB of the pagepool, then 4MB of space is wasted that could be program memory. Similarly if you have a 12MB pagepool (!) (T-Mobile Wing) in this instance you would we wasting 8MB of space!
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from http://www.modaco.com/content/Daily...ng-the-HTC-Touch-T-Mobile-Wing-PagePool-size/
so I'm not even sure about anything anymore, but at this point I think that zerod is correctly indicating that I gave you the wrong information regarding page pool, and that 12MB will give you less free memory and less likelihood of running phonepad?....
so...I'm gonna go ahead and edit out that recommendation, as people all over the web view xda as a goldmine for WM info, and there's no point in leaving bad info for them....
and if anyone wants to elaborate on page pool, or leave some links here...please do
Hi everyone,
Done a search that yielded inconclusive results. My question is:
What is the fastest kaiser cooked rom made so far, based on user comparisons and most importantly benchmarking?
Please state it as clearly as possible e.g.
1. ROM1
Benchmark results xxx.xxx
I feel that... comments...
2. ROM2
Benchmark results xxx.xxx
I feel that... not as fast as ROM1 because... comments...
Thank you very much for the input, I hope this will be very informative for kaiser owners who are thinking of flashing a rom but don't know which one to choose since there are so many!
I am actually running Dutty's v1.1 dualtouch rom, the latest one, and still experienced the occasional 30 second freeze which was frustrating.
Gerald
Dutty's SupaLite Rom at http://www.cinetsystems.com/xda/index.php?path=Lite+Roms/
Sorry no benchmaks... not yet anyway.
Its Custel 2.1
Its custel 2.1 non touch version.
Dutty Dual Touch 1.1
pagepool change to 24mb.
no benchmark.
speed is acceptable, as compare with most of the cooked rom
but definitely much much slower than my artemis
How do you change the pagepool?
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How do you change the pagepool?
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See my signature for the pagepool changer. Very easy to use. Open the program. Click on the ROM you want to change the pagepool on and select the page pool you want to change it to. You must do this before you flash.
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See my signature for the pagepool changer. Very easy to use. Open the program. Click on the ROM you want to change the pagepool on and select the page pool you want to change it to. You must do this before you flash.
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Crap! So this means after I change my pool I have to reflash whatever ROM I currently have/want on my phone?
jbmorales said:
Crap! So this means after I change my pool I have to reflash whatever ROM I currently have/want on my phone?
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Thank you.
Quentin- said:
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Sorry for the thread-jack but it does pertain to performance.
If I do the following:
1.) Make a backup using sprite backup (Dutty's 7b for example)
2.) Flash the same rom with a changed page pool (again, Dutty's 7b)
3.) Restore my backup
Does that in effect nullify the changed page pool? Or is the page pool buried deep enough that restoring from a sprite backup will not change it?
Thanks
-Brett.
We all in search of a fastest and max. features and most stable ROM.
I have chasing these ROMs myself for last few months.
Something I experienced quite surprised me and I would rather have people starting thinking of discuss their experience about it.
I have an old AdamExec which I didn't think was that fast so I bought a Touch. Touch felt a little faster but as soon as I load it with applications found out it has very little storage memory. Flash with a custom BigStorage ROM, speed never be the same ... not there.
Then saw a Sprint Phone which was quite fast, so as soon as AT&T got its Tilt, I bought that too. I flash the Tilt continuously for past two months. I didn't find the speed was that fantastic, it is acceptable, but not quite what I want.
Going back to AtomExec, it was on WM5, slow, flashed with a WM6 ROM cooked by Chartreux. Wow, it was suddenly came alive, faster than my Tilt. No waiting of half to 2 secs or 3 secs for every screen. It is always like instantaneous to half second. You can alway try Start -> Setting -> System right after the machine reboot you can sense the speed. Open up Windows directory is another good test. I don't care about bench numbers. I really had no complain on the speed of the AtomExec then but the machine freezes more than I expected with that ROM, besides the Bluetooth and Camera still had some problems. Also as soon as I installed more softwares, it starts to slow down.
Avoiding some applications probably will help lot more than keep searching for faster ROM. I believe getting a clean ROM first, install all the applications under its Program Files directory instead of Windows directory. There are almost 3,000 files, big and small in Windows directory, way more than that of Windows XP system. The HTC home itself contribute to tons of little files no wonder people said it was one of the apps that makes the machine slow. The EndKey also produces a tones of small files. I also suspect the Battery Status also has some effect on the performance.
My point is some applications may take a lot of resource and/or continuously running in the background and eating up the performance of the machine. Avoiding resource hogging semi-useful applications maybe a better move that trying to splitting hair with each good customer ROMs.
Okay I get it. Thanks for the information jychan28!
so basically lite roms + lesser programs = best performance.
zzoinks said:
Sorry for the thread-jack but it does pertain to performance.
If I do the following:
1.) Make a backup using sprite backup (Dutty's 7b for example)
2.) Flash the same rom with a changed page pool (again, Dutty's 7b)
3.) Restore my backup
Does that in effect nullify the changed page pool? Or is the page pool buried deep enough that restoring from a sprite backup will not change it?
Thanks
-Brett.
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This would not affect page pool...things you can restore from a backup never touch ROM files/settings.
Insane benchmarks!!! Someone else please test?
I was amazed when I saw jpope's benchmark posted in my ROM thread. Compare it against cashn's thread with his benchmark results and you'll be amazed as I was.
I'd perform the tests myself, but I've noticed that people tend to place less credibilty when the ROM chef publishes them.
So is anyone else willing to test & publish the results on my ROM to confirm these insane benchmarks???
Thanks in advance
it looks like the difference came from the file index.
maybe the storage card was different?
cpu and graphic indexes are very similar to other benchmarks
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How do you change the pagepool?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=390471&highlight=page+pool
Version 2: Changelog:
4MB pagepool - almost 33mb of free RAM
Based off of JustStableV2's Build 5 (unreleased) - Everything updated in JustStableV2 Build 4 also in this build
Based off of 5.2.21048
More of the ULDR partition removed. Now it's COMPLETELY gone.
Still LZX compressed and stripped on non-essentials
Also included: IS versions. (Internet Sharing)
This is a version of JustStable with the following changes:
1. Stripped of ALL non-essential programs. (Including NetCF.)
2. LZX compressed
3. ULDR removed!!! A first for the Herald. This saves around 3MB that is normally used as storage for “windows updates” which are never released. lol
All in all you get:
74+mb FREE of Storage Space!
29-30MB FREE of RAM WITH a 6mb pagepool
Due to the removal of the ULDR, the pagepool CANNOT be changed. (Although, I haven’t tried using the old way of changing the pagepool…)
Get the newest version here. (Click on the JustROMs link.)
Warning: This HAS to be flashed through an SD card.
Let me be the first to say Thank you so much Ivan. This is the micro ROM I've been waiting for. I can't even describe this ROM in words yet. It's an extremely fast installation because it's so clean. With the latest ioLite Manila2D installed, it still runs 22MB of free RAM. This is the best you'll get I assure you with the Herald if you are into the Manila2D thing like myself.
Question: Have you tried using 4MB Pagepool with your JustStable, Ivan? How well did it run? Will the Herald get more free RAM if so?
Micro ROM
Ivan this is super. I love this micro rom. Wow its super fast. Thanks!
I love it cuz I can put on just what I want. How the Hell did you get soooo much Memory? Awesome!
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Let me be the first to say Thank you so much Ivan. This is the micro ROM I've been waiting for. I can't even describe this ROM in words yet. It's an extremely fast installation because it's so clean. With the latest ioLite Manila2D installed, it still runs 22MB of free RAM. This is the best you'll get I assure you with the Herald if you are into the Manila2D thing like myself.
Question: Have you tried using 4MB Pagepool with your JustStable, Ivan? How well did it run? Will the Herald get more free RAM if so?
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Yes. I ran fine. I chose 6mb to cover myself from people running huge programs.
Just use a pagepool changer on the NBH file and you can set it to 4mb before you flash it.
zcink said:
Ivan this is super. I love this micro rom. Wow its super fast. Thanks!
I love it cuz I can put on just what I want. How the Hell did you get soooo much Memory? Awesome!
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lol. Secret sauce.
i love how u didnt say anything abought it then when i went for the lzf version this morning theres this teany tiny file saying micro made my day i just flashed it saw the storage and had to say bravo i love surprises and this right up there with finding the cop handcuffin you is realy a girl your friends got u on your birthday(sry its the only good surprise that i could think of in a hurry) well off to check out what 75mb can handle
ivanmmj said:
Yes. I ran fine. I chose 6mb to cover myself from people running huge programs.
Just use a pagepool changer on the NBH file and you can set it to 4mb before you flash it.
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Yeah, I tried using a PagePool Changer but it didn't work. It's grey out and you mentioned it on your post prior to my download and attempt to changing it. That is why I'm requesting a 4MB PagePool if possible. But even at 6MB, it's has incredible amount of free RAM for the herald with the latest Manila2D that is a resource hog compared to older versions like in Tran's OTP.
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Yeah, I tried using a PagePool Changer but it didn't work. It's grey out and you mentioned it on your post prior to my download and attempt to changing it. That is why I'm requesting a 4MB PagePool if possible. But even at 6MB, it's has incredible amount of free RAM for the herald with the latest Manila2D that is a resource hog compared to older versions like in Tran's OTP.
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Manila2D has always been a memory hog.
Are you using the newest version of pagepool changer? The first time I did it, it didn't work, the second time, with a different version, it worked.
Thanks Ivan. I downloaded the newer version of PagePool Changer from Sept 08 and it worked. With just Manila2D installed, it's at 26MB! A clean install with JustStable at 4MB PagePool gives 31MB of free RAM. This is the most free storage/ram anybody has ever created for this phone. You are a true asset to this forum and HTC/Micosoft should be paying you if they keep selling the Herald/Wing .
unknown123456 said:
Thanks Ivan. I downloaded the newer version of PagePool Changer from Sept 08 and it worked. With just Manila2D installed, it's at 26MB! A clean install with JustStable at 4MB PagePool gives 31MB of free RAM. This is the most free storage/ram anybody has ever created for this phone. You are a true asset to this forum and HTC/Micosoft should be paying you if they keep selling the Herald/Wing .
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Haha, thanks. Yea, I plan to release a similar version of WM6.5.
4 mb Pagepool
yes thats what I'm talkin about. Awesome even more so.
Love love love love this micro rom and I can't wait for the micro 6.5. I can't get mms or the tmo oz im to work tho... anyone else have this issue or have a suggestion for me?
kristopherson said:
Love love love love this micro rom and I can't wait for the micro 6.5. I can't get mms or the tmo oz im to work tho... anyone else have this issue or have a suggestion for me?
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Did you install Arcsoft and a connection wizard (or write the settings in by hand)?
ivanmmj said:
Did you install Arcsoft and a connection wizard (or write the settings in by hand)?
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yes i did. everything else works really really well. except the " ; " key for some reason. mms and sms im'ing are huge for me. i average 10,000 text a month. without a data plan i like oz because it works with my unlimited msging plan
using arcsoft mms 5.0.31.7
Is there a list anywhere that tells the difference between the "full" version and the "micro" version? I know the Micro is JUST what comes with WM6.1, but since I don't know what that is, I'm not sure what's been added for the full version. I guess I could get both and write down a list myself of the differences, but since I'm lazy I figured I'd ask first to see if this had been done anywhere.
Hey Ivan LOVE this ROM... damn you are amazing man mad props to you.
Just one problem... I don't know if it's just me but some programs won't open. I don't get an error or anything. The little busy icon appears then quickly disappears then... nothing. I can't open Advanced Config or Ing Change Font...
I reinstalled Advanced Config and reseted and turned off the phone but... still nothing... Any reason why it wouldn't be working?
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Oh haha nevermind I needed to install .net compact framework.
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Is there a list anywhere that tells the difference between the "full" version and the "micro" version? I know the Micro is JUST what comes with WM6.1, but since I don't know what that is, I'm not sure what's been added for the full version. I guess I could get both and write down a list myself of the differences, but since I'm lazy I figured I'd ask first to see if this had been done anywhere.
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The Micro doesn't have a lot of things.
Amongst them:
QuickMenu
wktasks
.NetCF
The Canvas Dialer
The modified taskbar icons
Mortscript (for the wing versions that use the multibrowser button)
OperaMini
The newer version of IE (which takes more space)
The extended Explorer
The Rhodium Notification Enhancements
The HTC calculator
HTC Home
The keyboard skin
MyCPL
The new Volume Control system
The deactivated Rhodium Menu Enhancement (it's there to keep the notification enhancement working due to dependencies but it itself isn't working.)
The outlook enhancements
GoogleMaps
RandomAccess (the contacts quick alphabetical bar)
more modified icons around the system
Yet more modified icons around the system
Touch Responce (the force feedback)
I think that's all.
And the Payload has been modified to remove the ULDR (update partition which isn't used anyways.)
buru898 said:
Hey Ivan LOVE this ROM... damn you are amazing man mad props to you.
Just one problem... I don't know if it's just me but some programs won't open. I don't get an error or anything. The little busy icon appears then quickly disappears then... nothing. I can't open Advanced Config or Ing Change Font...
I reinstalled Advanced Config and reseted and turned off the phone but... still nothing... Any reason why it wouldn't be working?
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Oh haha nevermind I needed to install .net compact framework.
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hehe, This gets asks every time I release a stripped ROM. Yep, no .NetCF.
kristopherson said:
yes i did. everything else works really really well. except the " ; " key for some reason. mms and sms im'ing are huge for me. i average 10,000 text a month. without a data plan i like oz because it works with my unlimited msging plan
using arcsoft mms 5.0.31.7
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The ; key should be working if you're using the correct version on your phone (if you have a herald, you're using the herald, if wing, the wing version.)
Is anyone else having this problem?
The MMS and SMS, is anyone else having this problem?
ivanmmj said:
The ; key should be working if you're using the correct version on your phone (if you have a herald, you're using the herald, if wing, the wing version.)
Is anyone else having this problem?
The MMS and SMS, is anyone else having this problem?
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I'm using the wing version for a wing.
like i said, sms works beautiful, i just cant send or receive mms, and the oz .cab won't work. should i use a different arcsoft build for this rom? I'm running spb mobile shell 3.0 and sometimes the shortcuts dont like to work after its been running for a while, but when i select it from the start menu it fails too. uninstalled and reinstalled it 3 times, did a hard reset, installed it on both the phone and sd card, always the same result. it's not super important because i use yahoo and i forward my im's to my phone when i'm not online. but i cant see my friends list that way.
even with this minor issues i'm having, i still love the rom.
Phone is IMATE JASJAR
R 1.09
G 42.42.P8
0 D.07.70 RAN
If you do not have any difficult, and links to these ROMs and apologize for spelling mistakes, my English is not so good
I agree with you, it already switched, flash from here with Ranju's - v7.7: WM6.1 Pro but I want to try with someone else, that's fine, but there are few problems with crashes ring, so I want to try other versions, and 6,5 even be convinced that flash is the best with windows hp, not windows7 as my.
Take a deep look at this thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=567017
Dig & read all of information you might need before you start playing with your device..
And remember,,there's no such thing as "best" cooked ROMs.. I can say,,you gain something you lost something..
let colleagues give any ideas, know how to flashing your handset, clear to me is that rom has cooked things in more or less, before I put the rom on top, I've changed three of these, but still had some problems with them
Try them all till you get your personal best
And let us know...
Tomal's V10 Wm6.5
is very stable.
Am running
Tomal's V10
S2U2 - Touc Pro theme
SPB Keybaord V4.1
Olive Tree Bible reader
Microsoft Mobile Marketplace
Facebook - downloaded from Marketplace
Windows Live Messenger - downloaded from Marketplace
running very smooth and quick
What about free ram, 15mb if no benefit from it because they quickly drop to 9mb and some applications refuse to work, an example of the chamber under 9mb stops working, no photo, but this is a problem
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What about free ram, 15mb if no benefit from it because they quickly drop to 9mb and some applications refuse to work, an example of the chamber under 9mb stops working, no photo, but this is a problem
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lol on a good day i can get 15mb free RAM, on a normal day i get about 7-10mb RAM and on a very vrery bad day 3-6mb RAM
will install it when I change my 128mb of ram, for now stay to 6.1 and ram within the 20-25mb
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will install it when I change my 128mb of ram, for now stay to 6.1 and ram within the 20-25mb
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What ROM is it?
rоm was removed from here, but I do not remember any of it is, then I downloaded and tested over 12roma, so give me a link, it even has 21mb Flash storage
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CQO9AA3V
Kwl, will try on saturday
Kwl, will try on saturday
I am now back with him now install all the widgets and is ready for battle
enigma79 said:
I am now back with him now install all the widgets and is ready for battle
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What ROM are you now using?
VNint WM6.1 rom with XP theme is the best + flash disk
This rоm is the same image, which is the link for download, featuring a snippet is what is obtained
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=458296
enigma79 said:
This rоm is the same image, which is the link for download, featuring a snippet is what is obtained
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i lyk the today topie bit look kwl
program used for desktop resco contact manager v1.11, for me is the best solution, even from the new version, now rоm to test thingonaspring http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=643243
Now test the roms downloaded from here, I very much enjoyed 41mb and 31mb and ExtendedRom 9 MB, it is quite fast, and no crash for now
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524498