I have a few questions, and I'm sure the answers are here somewhere but filtering through these forums is rather daunting, so I hope you'll suffer a fw questions.
After installing WM6, there's no t9 input language. So there are seperate cabs for each language, but it seems that if I install 2 cabs, it overwrites the first language and I'm left with only one (the last) language installed.
How do I get to languages for input, like English and Spanish?
Just to clarify, I'm using andot's perfect wm6 ROM.
If I copy my contacts off my SIM, is this data going to be stored on my SD or in the memory?
Similar question for documents, temp files and ringtones. How do I keep all of this off the ROM/RAM?
Hardware Questions:
I found one copy of the i-mate PDF manual for this device, which turned out to be exactly like the paper copy I already had for Qtek.
Oddly, there's no picture of the device itself with arrows pointing at all the buttons, bells and whistles.
The jack on the bottom of the phone, is that 2.5mm? Is it just for hands free, or can it use a stereo headset for music?
The tiny hole right by that... is that for a hard reset?
WTF is the little slot-like gap in the top of the phone between the power button and the windows logo?
What do you call the internet and media player control buttons and is there an app to reasign them?
There are 3 led light holes on the face, what do they signal?
Install a T9 wich you can find in the extras.zip in phils BETA-thread. That will enable input.
The jack on the bottom is 2,5mm. You can buy 2,5 ->3,5mm adapter, or a headset with 2,5mm. Yes stereo hp is supported.
Tiny hole next to that is prolly a mic.
Slot-like? I'm not sure, but can imagine it's for use in a car. There is a button-fix in the before-mentioned extras.zip.
The green LED blinks to show that you have coverage. Blue LED for bluetooth, and the third blinks when wifi is activated. When charging your phone, one LED turns red.
Exitao said:
I have a few questions, and I'm sure the answers are here somewhere but filtering through these forums is rather daunting, so I hope you'll suffer a fw questions.
After installing WM6, there's no t9 input language. So there are seperate cabs for each language, but it seems that if I install 2 cabs, it overwrites the first language and I'm left with only one (the last) language installed.
How do I get to languages for input, like English and Spanish?
Just to clarify, I'm using andot's perfect wm6 ROM.
If I copy my contacts off my SIM, is this data going to be stored on my SD or in the memory?
Similar question for documents, temp files and ringtones. How do I keep all of this off the ROM/RAM?
Hardware Questions:
I found one copy of the i-mate PDF manual for this device, which turned out to be exactly like the paper copy I already had for Qtek.
Oddly, there's no picture of the device itself with arrows pointing at all the buttons, bells and whistles.
The jack on the bottom of the phone, is that 2.5mm? Is it just for hands free, or can it use a stereo headset for music?
The tiny hole right by that... is that for a hard reset?
WTF is the little slot-like gap in the top of the phone between the power button and the windows logo?
What do you call the internet and media player control buttons and is there an app to reasign them?
There are 3 led light holes on the face, what do they signal?
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2.5mm, any other 2.5mm headphone can be used
There isnt any hard reset button for that phone, to hard reset, you either use the software or press the two soft key and on the phone
The 3 LED light holes? I think you mean the top there
There are 5 holes, the left most one is for power status, yellow for normal, orange for charging, red for low power, the right most hole is for connectivity, yellow for WiFi, blue for BT, the 3 in the middle is simply the earpiece, while the hole above is the loudspeaker
Thanks for the replies guys! Just a few clarification questions and a bit of repeating things back to ensure I have it correct.
In regards to the language thing:
I did find the Extras.zip and did use the "English xT9.cab", but this only gives me one language input option when I hold down the * key. If I install a Spanish T9 after the English T9, I only get the Spanish language option when inputting text. I want them both... Is there any place to get the full western language(s) WM5 T9 cab?
Audio Jack:
It's good to hear that the jack is stereo. So I could get a set of stereo headphones/handsfree combo for music. Now I just have to wait for someone to hack support for bigger than 2gb of miniSD (I know there are some that still work, but the newer ones are faster...)
So, onto the lights:
To be clear, I'm not talking about the LCD display, just the lights in the hardware fascia.
Top Left
blinks green for GSM service
solid amber when connected to USB charger/PC
Top Right
blinks green for WiFi
blinks green for WiFi
Centre Bottom (under the "0+" key)
I've seen it lit when the keypad was lit for bootloader. I don't know when else it lights up
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The T-Mobile quickstart guide says that middle bottom one is the mic, which makes no sense as mine is filled with that plastic like the other LED lights. More likely the mic is the hole between the headphone jack and the pound (#) key .
The slot-like opening on the top back of the phone is the ringer/loud-speaker.
Along the narrow outer side of the phone, going clock-wise, we have 3 buttons:
volume toggle
comm manager
power/quicklist key
camera button
So the left and right-most buttons on the Start/Home row of buttons under the LCD are the "soft keys."
On the face above the standard numeric keypad and beneath the LCD, from top to bottom:
Start, Home, Back, Contacts/Menu/Context
Internet, Rewind, FF and Play/Pause
Extended press of Start key does nothing.
Extended press of Home starts Celetask (what would it start if no Celetask, and how would I configure it?)
Extended press of Back key does nothing.
Extended press of Contacts key does nothing.
Extended press of ie and windows media buttons do nothing, when not playing media, all 3 media buttons do nothing except start windows media player (and because these buttons are bigger than the more useful row above, windows media player starts a lot).
Is there more configurability for changing purpose of Media buttons when at Home screen or there is no Media context?
Is there any more configurability for adding extra extended key-press function for home/start row keys?
The "button fix" cab is to do what? Just make the buttons work properly with WM6, or to allow reassignment?
There's no way to disable all function (i.e. backlighting) of thumbstick while phone is locked?
I guess this is more of a WM6 question, but this type of smart phone doesn't use the Today screen with tabs?
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I'm actually a little surprised that there's no diagramming anywhere of button functions and that most binaries released don't have NFO files or that there's no list of what these standard files everybody downloads do. There's a couple nice lists of files to download, with some reference links, but a lack of information about their purposes.
That's why I was hoping that somewhere there was a Quick Start guide for the phone. Actually, I just found T-Mobile's here (clicky)
What's really stupid is that every other provider/reseller than T-Mobile of this handset makes you sign up for a "club" to access these PDFs and if your IMEI or serial number isn't in their database, you can't join the club.
Again guys, thanks for the info and I look forward to being able to contribute in the future.
I think they have to make you sign up for a club because it contains the ROM upgrade and the ROM are licensed, hence they just can't publish it publicly. Same reason why the ROM archive in xda-devs was told to be taken down months back ( but we dont give a damn )
karhoe said:
I think they have to make you sign up for a club because it contains the ROM upgrade and the ROM are licensed, hence they just can't publish it publicly. Same reason why the ROM archive in xda-devs was told to be taken down months back ( but we dont give a damn )
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I applaud that. I really hope they can't do anything against you.
I still have a few hanging questions.
I read somewhere about the Bluetooth stereo needing a registry hack. Does the hardware audiohone jack also require a hack? Is it proper stereo or joint stereo?
I'm still interested in changing functions of media buttons and adding extended keypress function to otther buttons like Celetask uses with the Home key.
Exitao said:
Centre Bottom (under the "0+" key)
I've seen it lit when the keypad was lit for bootloader. I don't know when else it lights up
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The T-Mobile quickstart guide says that middle bottom one is the mic, which makes no sense as mine is filled with that plastic like the other LED lights. More likely the mic is the hole between the headphone jack and the pound (#) key .
The slot-like opening on the top back of the phone is the ringer/loud-speaker.
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that's the light sensor.
and about the xt9 thing i think in smartphone general forum it's a sticky topic about this. now i write from mobile and don't have the mood to 'research' :-D
DSF said:
that's the light sensor.
and about the xt9 thing i think in smartphone general forum it's a sticky topic about this. now i write from mobile and don't have the mood to 'research' :-D
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The files there are for Vox and Xcalibur (sp?), do they work for Tornado too?
I found my answer to the English Spanish question here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=271641&highlight=t9+spanish+english
* Extract T9SpanishLdb.dll and T9ImeRes.Dll040a.mui from t9_tornado.rar to \Windows
* [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\T9 Input Method\LDBs], add string value '040a' with data 'T9SpanishLdb.dll'
* [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\T9 Input Method\MUI\Languages], add '040a' to the list of 'Available', so the data will be '0409,040a' (or whatever your phone uses.. just add the one for the language you're installing)
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Any updates on re-mapping the media buttons? I would love to re-assign these keys to Messaging and other apps I use frequently.
On my Samsung Blackjack, there is actually a function in the Windows Mobile Settings called "Buttons", which allows me to reassign the buttons to pretty much anything. Does anyone know if there is a small app or something that could do this on my SDA (I have upgraded it to WM6 using the posted sticky instructions - thanks you guys, awesome work!)
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Any updates on re-mapping the media buttons? I would love to re-assign these keys to Messaging and other apps I use frequently.
On my Samsung Blackjack, there is actually a function in the Windows Mobile Settings called "Buttons", which allows me to reassign the buttons to pretty much anything. Does anyone know if there is a small app or something that could do this on my SDA (I have upgraded it to WM6 using the posted sticky instructions - thanks you guys, awesome work!)
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I don't know anything yet and no one has answered here.
The buttons are pretty stoopid. I didn't buy this phone for mulitmedia. I bought it for productivity apps. And these media buttons are so big that it's hard to miss them when using softkeys.
So until someone gives an answer, I guess we have to find our own answers and there's a bit of a learning curve for me.
I think I found it - check out post #4 in this HowardForums thread:
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=865189
These exact instructions worked for me on my SDA running WM6 Perfect English Edition. I changed the last button to go to Messaging (tmail.exe).
Exitao said:
I found my answer to the English Spanish question here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=271641&highlight=t9+spanish+english
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This wasn't the full answer to my question.
There's also a reg key:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\T9 Input Method\Settings] Options
Changing the d-word value to 1033 (00000409 should work too) from 00003317 is what gave me my language settings back.
It took a bit of looking to find out what 00003317 was. 3317 is a ghost script name for a Chinese simplified font, as far as I can tell.
The one thing you'll notice as you look at that string is that key shares that string with a another dword entry, "chinese pinyin."
As I don't read or speak putonghua, or any hua, I thought it might be nice to delete this key. But it just keeps turning up over nad over, like a bad penny.
there's another string elsewhere:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\TOUCH] Which could probably be safely removed from the ROM.
I wonder if we collected a list of all useless registry entries and had someone remove them from a future ROM, how much space could we save?
bigern79 said:
I think I found it - check out post #4 in this HowardForums thread:
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=865189
These exact instructions worked for me on my SDA running WM6 Perfect English Edition. I changed the last button to go to Messaging (tmail.exe).
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Yes, you did find it. Yay!
Short_AP1
Short_AP2
Short_AP3
Short_AP4
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The files are in the Windows directory and they're just shortcuts. Easy to edit.
Just make sure that you use the button fix if your upgrade mod requires it, otherwise those shortcuts don't exist.
We'll also have to find out if it interferes with media player when it's the active app/window.
Related
Hi there,
here's a question relating to the soft-keyboard:
I noticed that with some applications (e.g. PHM reg editor) when I want to punch in a value and hit the corresponding field the keyboard will pop up (which is perfect so far). Now, the keyboard sometimes hides the OK button which I'd have to hit to accept the changes but somehow I can't convince the keyboard to go back where it came from - there's no button to disable or change it (like the "12" button you sometimes see in the bottom).
What can I do to get rid of the keyboard in such situations? Is there maybe a hardware button??
Thanks a lot
There's an icon between the soft keys on the bottom of the screen that changes according to the desired input method. Touch that and a keyboard will magically disappear, regardless of the selected input method.
The input method icon, is always displayed when there's a possibility for text input.
ps.: RTM
gnick666 said:
There's an icon between the soft keys on the bottom of the screen that changes according to the desired input method. Touch that and a keyboard will magically disappear...
ps.: RTM
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Read the manual and like I said:
There's NO icon displayed at the bottom of the screen!
Then use another program, that's the best workaround that i can come up whith..
Or there's the possibilty of a greater underlying problem that would need a Hard Reset to fix it... so far you're the first whith this problem...
Indeed, I've had this too before, try using WM6 compatbile software, I though that was my problem a few weeks ago. An example is Mozilla Minimo, which is horrible on WM6, not being able to remove the keyboard, or even better, hiding it, but not refreshing the contents behind the keyboard
SabbeRubbish said:
Indeed, I've had this too before, try using WM6 compatbile software, I though that was my problem a few weeks ago. An example is Mozilla Minimo, which is horrible on WM6, not being able to remove the keyboard, or even better, hiding it, but not refreshing the contents behind the keyboard
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Exactly, Minimo is another one of those applications that show this problem.
How about changing your default kb to something else?
There is a reg hack to disable the SIP from displaying when you put focus on any text field, but that is not a good solution for a device that doesn't have a physical kb. I use it on my Treo 750 since I don't need the SIP. However, on the TC, it would make much sense.
On a bit of a side note, I have heard that if TC owners want to use another kb besides the standard Xt9 version, you need to apply the following to disable it:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Layouts\e0010409
Ime File=\windows\compime.dll
Layout Text=COMP IME
To Turn on again
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Layouts\e0010409
Ime File=\windows\eT9Ime.dll
Layout Text=eT9 IME
Did your registry tweaks will stop pop up of any keyboard when accessing a text area?
That's what I 'm looking for. Because I installed a full screen keyboard and I use it with a button.
Thxs.
up!!!
Pleaaaaase'!
This app will keep the keyboard from poping up automatically. You can still open it manually. I've not tried it with WM6.
http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/nullkeyboard.shtml
Thanks a lot!
It works!
what full screen keyboard are you using?
I use SPB full keyboard.
I want to map the green "phone" ("send") button to work as speakerphone with long keypress when phone is used, but I can't find any info.
OTOH I notice most ROMs use long press for this button and map usually wireless managers, which would be fine if it would work that way only when phone is not in use (and 'restore' the speakerphone function for long press when phone is in use) but I have not seen such solution yet. Has anyone done/try this?
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I want to map the green "phone" ("send") button to work as speakerphone with long keypress when phone is used, but I can't find any info.
OTOH I notice most ROMs use long press for this button and map usually wireless managers, which would be fine if it would work that way only when phone is not in use (and 'restore' the speakerphone function for long press when phone is in use) but I have not seen such solution yet. Has anyone done/try this?
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Hi,
Deleting Long_Send.lnk might restore original function of long press send key sir,.
Hope it help,.
Regards
Unfortunately, I don't think you can have two different functions based on context. AdvancedConfig has an option to map pretty much anything to the long send.
Garmin said:
Hi,
Deleting Long_Send.lnk might restore original function of long press send key sir,.
Hope it help,.
Regards
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Thank you, Sir
blue_94_trooper said:
Unfortunately, I don't think you can have two different functions based on context. AdvancedConfig has an option to map pretty much anything to the long send.
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Well, I was thinking about something more complex than I can do myself, hence my post here.
Idea is to make a small applet which will switch the function of the button based on the processes running (or other ways to determine it) and assigning different shortcut to this button. I.e. when the phone is connected it will assign speakerphone to the "send - long press", when phone is not in use it would redirect "send - long press" to the wireless manager, if you know what I mean (sorry my english); so virtually mapping the "green" button to this app could achieve that, no?
intersted also in your send key LKP!!
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Thank you, Sir
Well, I was thinking about something more complex than I can do myself, hence my post here.
Idea is to make a small applet which will switch the function of the button based on the processes running (or other ways to determine it) and assigning different shortcut to this button. I.e. when the phone is connected it will assign speakerphone to the "send - long press", when phone is not in use it would redirect "send - long press" to the wireless manager, if you know what I mean (sorry my english); so virtually mapping the "green" button to this app could achieve that, no?
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Bump....
I also want exactly the same setup! Great minds think alike!
Your mention about the wireless manager sounds a handy idea also, and I am at present having to use a long keypress on the left hand hardware 'record' button. This is fine, but I also have it mapped to normal press = audio record. But want to use it for something else at some point.The more buttons free the better. To be able to have the sent button act on a long key press to work the speakerphone seems to me like something that should actually be in place by default. I mean, what better way to start the speakerphone!!
I do hope someone is able to shed some light on this, or you manage to pull it off yourself you can count me in to try the fix etc.
PS:: Would a MORT SCRIPT help in this situation I wonder? I am not familiar with MS but sure someone may know a way round it.
Regards
Nick-UK
Thanks for your kind support
I wrote about this year or more ago on another forum, but few responses I got were discouraging at best.
I think if we could do such "app", we could use it for all the buttons and change their "assignments" based on the currently running apps...
With scripts we can do things like rename "Long_Send.lnk" into "Long_Send.disabled" (for example) instantly, and rename it back to "Long_Send.lnk" when i.e. pressed again. But the problem is that I don't know how to "detect" and use it in the scripts what is currently running and discriminate between foreground and background processes that are currently running?
Because what if you have two (or more!) programs that are using the same button assignments but for different purposes and both are running in the same time? say you are on the phone talking - thus long_send is assigned to speakerphone, and you also run (for example) windows media player where you assigned same green button to fullscreen display? The scripts cannot tell which one is running in the foreground by themselves, and (in this example) holding green button could bring the WMP to fullscreen instead of turning on speakerphone. Beforewe use mortscript to "activate" apropiate script, we need to know which process was started last (so - per my example - we would know that the phone was last started and not the WMP, and mortscript would run "speakerphone script for green button" instead of "fullscreen wmp script for green button"... and there is another problem: the phone is always ON on our PocketPCs since boot, and it is running all the time in the background, so it will have to differentiate between phone being active and phone in the "waiting" state...). Apologies if I sound incomprejensible, I tried to make it clearer but I don't know is it less gibberish
to cut it short: I don't think it can be done with simple scripts. But of course I may be wrong.
In theory it should work this way:
1 Long_Send.lnk -> starts our "app"
2 "App" checks what program is currently running on the screen (in the forground, or last started etc)
3 "App" executes apropiate action assigned for this program (i.e. speakerphone for active phone call, or wireless manager for today screen, etc etc)
4 "App" releases/removes/disables the action from previous step and changes it back to the state it was before when the foreground program is closed (i.e. changes back long_send from assignment to speakerphone back to default once the phone call ended)
sounds simple, doesn't it?
Has anyone come up with working solution for mapping hw keys?
I found this thread on Diamond, but no help:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398280
I am using AEKMap to enable both latin/cyrillic input on my TP's hw keyboard. You may google it and give it a try.
There is no need for additional software, just follow this post and you'll get the answer. Worked for me.
Try AE Button Plus.
B.
I think you did not quite follow me here.
I dont mean to change layout of QWERTY, but hw-keys like "Back" and "Home" at front panel of TP.
This is becaus I find home and back quite useless and would much more prefer to have ALT+TAB (change program) and close program (REALLY close them, not leave running background as back seems to randomly do).
Taajuus said:
I think you did not quite follow me here.
I dont mean to change layout of QWERTY, but hw-keys like "Back" and "Home" at front panel of TP.
This is becaus I find home and back quite useless and would much more prefer to have ALT+TAB (change program) and close program (REALLY close them, not leave running background as back seems to randomly do).
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And that is EXACTLY what i also want to know....
The total lack of hardware-keys on this device is already disturbing enough, but being locked out of the option to remap any of them is truely horrid...
Anyone know of any reg-hacks maybe?
I've got Spb PocketPlus 4 installed btw, and it's got a button mapping function as well...
But when i go into the buttons map, some weird black icons appear with no name attached to it. Can anyone make anything of this? As you can see i've been able to map one thing only: the Spb close-button-contex-menu, which allows me to switch task KW-buttons only....
But this is not enough for me, i need ALT-TAB aswell and off course a VoiceCommand button.
And regrettably the Rapael doesn't have that many HW keys to start with...
I want also to use Home/Back buttons for different purposes,but I didn;t found a solution yet.
Gotten a step closer to what i really need over this weekend:
In the button dialogue (with extra generated buttons by Spb PP+4) there was only one other button that had a name...
So i tried this one and go figure: it seems to be the " <= " (or 'back') button. In the dialogue it's called the OK button. I've got it set to the close contaxt menu now, and mapped Voicecommand to long-pressed answer key...
So far, this setup is to my satisfaction, and after two months of use this phone finaly behaves completely the way i want it to...
Hi, guys.
See my post here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2743845#post2743845
Hope this helps!
Cheers.
helped realy much !!! big thx for that nice instructions
You're very welcome, tk_berlin.
You be sure to let me know if anything in there doesn't make sense or you need any help with it.
Cheers from Canada!
ah cool to see a reply that fast ,)
hmm u got any further with finding out how to set the home button and the backwards button ?
Since the other htc user ,) wrote
In the button dialogue (with extra generated buttons by Spb PP+4) there was only one other button that had a name...
So i tried this one and go figure: it seems to be the " <= " (or 'back') button. In the dialogue it's called the OK button. I've got it set to the close contaxt menu now, and mapped Voicecommand to long-pressed answer key...
so it works with SPB PocketPlus ?
there must be a way to get it work wit the other tool
ah cool to see a reply that fast ,)
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Lol. I was on my machine all morning and had XDA open in one of my tabs.
Yes, you can map practically any button in AEBPlus no problem.
hmm u got any further with finding out how to set the home button and the backwards button ?
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AEBP will also *learn* any keys it doesn't have. So you could use the "Add Button" option, press your Home key, and away you go.
The way I have it set up, holding down the phone key will activate voice command (default behavior).
But remember, assigning commands to the Home or OK buttons (that "Back" button is actually an "OK" button) doesn't unmap what they normally do so you will always go home first and then it will perform <x>-function that you assign.
Personally, I don't like to program the Home or OK buttons because I find that they are "trickier" to press. What I mean is, if you tap the OK button near it's center or close to the left, it doesn't register a press. If you tap it sort of with the long part of your thumb (which is more natural when holding the device in one hand), it registers it. I've tried this with two TP's now and the button behaved the same way on both. Due to this, I find it unreliable to map anything to it.
In any case, as I mentioned earlier, the Volume buttons, Phone and End keys will be unmapped once you attach AEBP to them but the others will not.
Oh -- I forgot to mention, you can map the directional pad as well if that is your thing.
so it works with SPB PocketPlus ?
there must be a way to get it work wit the other tool
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It does work, but it sends an OK command first.
I wrote a little utility for hard-coded buttons such as these for another Pocket PC I had (an ASUS P527) called "DoNothing.exe" but we can't apply that work-around here. What I would do is replace the EXEs of apps the hardware keys called with my DoNothing.exe, but in the case of the TP, we definitely don't want to replace START.EXE (which I believe to be the likely EXE (haven't tested this)).
If I find a way to map those buttons reliably, I will let you know, tk_Berlin. So far tho, I've been quite pleased with just using the four buttons I mentioned. The more I use this device and the more I ponder my decision to stay with TFL3D instead of the normal WM interface, the more I realize that I don't need half the add-ons I used to use prior to having TF3D. I am accustomed to very, very, very *heavily* customizing my device, but the setup I have now works great and I really haven't lost nething from my old WM world. In fact, prolly gained a few CPU cycles and memory to boot.
I don't miss the Today Screen at all!!! Now that I think about it, I never really looked at it.
Cya!
Apologies if this has been thoroughly covered, I went back 4-5 pages in each forum but didn't see anything.
From what I can gather from reviews and youtube videos the D-pad on the Touch pro works like a standard D-pad, and when in opera can be used to zoom in by circling it with a finger like a click wheel on an Ipod. Is it possible to modify it to work as a scroll wheel instead of a "zoom wheel". I know this isn't an option out of the box, but is it something that's possible, or being worked on?
I'm considering from the tilt, and while I've convinced myself that I don't need the hard left and right buttons, or the email & browser buttons, I'm not sure I'll be able to get used to working without any kind of jog dial/scroll wheel.
I think it's been asked and the answer is not yet.
The D-pad is one of the things I really don't like about the phone though, the buttons are all on the same plane, not separated in any way, and that makes it very difficult to differentiate the d-pad from the home/back/send/end buttons. I didn't find it was a problem until playing games, when I kept minimizing the window by hitting the Back button.
oh... the touch pro has a d-pad??? omg ive had the phone for almost a month and i only just discovered it. i thought it was just a scroll thing. its really hard to press though..
Black93300ZX said:
I think it's been asked and the answer is not yet.
The D-pad is one of the things I really don't like about the phone though, the buttons are all on the same plane, not separated in any way, and that makes it very difficult to differentiate the d-pad from the home/back/send/end buttons. I didn't find it was a problem until playing games, when I kept minimizing the window by hitting the Back button.
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Well I don't really play a whole lot of games on my phone, but I do read a lot of really long email threads, and more importantly, when I'm bored I read sites like overheardinnewyork.com which is basically a lot of text to scroll through.
I'm getting the feeling that I'm going to have to find a way to "play" with a TP and see if I love it or not. I went 8125, x01ht, tilt, and now I'm looking to upgrade. but if this phone isn't going to rock me, I'll hold out (for what I don't know).
As much as I like flashing new roms to my tilt, it seems all anyone does is try to rip the best features from other phones...so at some point I might as well just get the other phone.
Diamond Tweak 0.5.3 allows you to enable d-pad scrolling for some applications.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409540
(you need to soft-reset after you have changed options)
dougalls said:
Diamond Tweak 0.5.3 allows you to enable d-pad scrolling for some applications.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409540
(you need to soft-reset after you have changed options)
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Hmmm, looks promising. Have you tried it? I just can't imagine I'd ever use the zoom feature, although up to now I've used opera mini, so perhaps after switching to opera mobile I'd change my mind. But I'm still pretty sure I'd prefer to double tap the screen to zoom, and have another means of scrolling.
I have tried it and it works well for contacts (useful), programs etc but does not work with my Yahoo inbox (possibly due to the ROM I am using - ROmeOS v1.22) and it does not replace the zoom in opera. You can set up custom applications in DiamondTweak so it may be possible to overcome any differences between ROM's by setting up a custom application. I do use the zoom in opera so wouldn't want to replace it.
You can still double tap to zoom in/out on opera, as well as the wheel - the wheel lets you zoom in/out in small increments, double tapping toggles between full page and zoomed in.
DesCo said:
Hmmm, looks promising. Have you tried it? I just can't imagine I'd ever use the zoom feature, although up to now I've used opera mini, so perhaps after switching to opera mobile I'd change my mind. But I'm still pretty sure I'd prefer to double tap the screen to zoom, and have another means of scrolling.
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Think about this, with Opera Mobile you'll only have 2 levels of zoom ("in" or "out") unless you use the wheel to zoom. I liked being able to use it to fine tune and get things to look just right, but that's me. Try it out and see what you think.
With newer versions of Opera Mobile, there is now an on-screen zoom slider that adds a "tap and slide" button for incremental zooming. Now I find myself wanting an alternative to scrolling, since my finger otherwise covers up part of the screen and might accidentally click a link. Unfortunately the arrows and dpad don't scroll the page but instead jump from link to link.
This has been one detail (although a minor detail) that has made be begin to consider replacing my TP with the X1, since the X1's optical sensor dpad apparently provides scrolling functionality.
DesCo said:
Hmmm, looks promising. Have you tried it? I just can't imagine I'd ever use the zoom feature, although up to now I've used opera mini, so perhaps after switching to opera mobile I'd change my mind. But I'm still pretty sure I'd prefer to double tap the screen to zoom, and have another means of scrolling.
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use advance config 3.3 ........search for the link
go to options, click smart touch and it allows you to add any application, where in touch wheel (above D Pad) can be used for scrolling......i use it for contacts, file manager, program, call history, phone window, mails, messages and its really usefull and very cool........i dont use it for opera and internet explorer and use it for zooming as put in default
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Thanks for the info. As I said, I haven't picked up the TP yet, I'm holding out for the Fuze (or a reasonably priced GSM model).
To change gears a bit, I'm curious, what kind of difference do people see in using cooked Roms on this device. I only ask because as a Kaiser user I'm used to using Roms because they incorporate features from the latest equipment. But as this is among the newest models out, and a "flagship" phone so to speak...is there much of an advantage over say a stock ATT rom minus the bloat? I enjoy high level of customization, and being able to pick my features, but as this is a relatively new device, I don't want to go through the trouble of unlocking and flashing if there isn't going to be a real gain in performance/features, or if it's going to impact performance (like trying to run Manilla 2d on a Kaiser, and pretending that a 5 second screen rotate time is ok)
PS: just for the record, despite my incredibly low post count, I've been lurking on the board for ~2 years...I'm not some (I hate this word) newb asking "what rom is best" or "can someone explain to me how to XXX reading the Wiki is too much work"...just wanted to throw that out there.
Volume buttons for scroll
Review on wmexperts of Sprint Touch Pro has the information below in the comments area. Looks like the reviewer followed up with the statement that he used AE Buttons to remap the volume buttons on the side, where the scroll wheel is on 8525/Tilt to scroll up and down with each click. I don't have Fuze, but it seems like this would work on it as well, I don't think it's a free softare though.
http://www.wmexperts.com/reviews/smartphones/review_24_hours_with_the_sprin.html
Buttons: I have successfully used AE Buttons to successfully remap the volume up and down buttons. I have the volume down button set at one click to scroll down and a log click for OK/Enter. The volume up button is set at one to scroll up and the log click Alt/Tab Wisbar's switch utility. I have also remapped the Back button to OK/Enter. The Home button now brings down the Start Menu on a single click and Email when I hold it down. This has made life a lot easier and has in virtually increased my available hardware buttons to a more comfortable level of usable buttons.
cparkhorn said:
Review on wmexperts of Sprint Touch Pro has the information below in the comments area. Looks like the reviewer followed up with the statement that he used AE Buttons to remap the volume buttons on the side, where the scroll wheel is on 8525/Tilt to scroll up and down with each click. I don't have Fuze, but it seems like this would work on it as well, I don't think it's a free softare though.
http://www.wmexperts.com/reviews/smartphones/review_24_hours_with_the_sprin.html
Buttons: I have successfully used AE Buttons to successfully remap the volume up and down buttons. I have the volume down button set at one click to scroll down and a log click for OK/Enter. The volume up button is set at one to scroll up and the log click Alt/Tab Wisbar's switch utility. I have also remapped the Back button to OK/Enter. The Home button now brings down the Start Menu on a single click and Email when I hold it down. This has made life a lot easier and has in virtually increased my available hardware buttons to a more comfortable level of usable buttons.
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How have you managed to get AEButton working on your home button?
I found that the home and back buttons seem to be "hard coded" to do their tasks, and AEbutton only assigns an *additional* task to each button. In other words, when I press Home for start menu, it first goes home, and then opens start. If I map the back button to Camera, it first goes back an application screen, then launches camera. Very annoying. The only buttons I found AEButton works with is the vol up and down. Is there a trick I'm missing?
As i know that touch pro is not only can be touched on the screen but also the hard button area ( home, back, call, hang up buttons)
How can i use that feature
Which software that i need to install or how can i active it
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What do you want exactly? Do you want to remap hardware buttons?
the hardware buttons are enabled by default. you don't have to 'activate' them.
No! My point is how can i use the sensor of hardware button ^^
Well,did you mean to use the capacitive surface of those sensors,not the buttons itself? And what exactly do you want? Please explain.
google for "G-scroll"
TomasNM said:
Well,did you mean to use the capacitive surface of those sensors,not the buttons itself? And what exactly do you want? Please explain.
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My point is
Instead of pushing down the 4 hard buttons (call, back, home, hang off) i just need to touch it on the surface?
You can buy gscroll (mobilesrc.com), but unless you can get the 1.x series, I'd pass. The 2.x series is buggy as hell, and it seems like development has stopped. There are some free apps you can find around here as well. I'm thinking Dredscroll is one, and there was another app called Butler (I think, lol) that allowed you to use it as a launcher with gestures on the area. Gscroll lets you swipe to scroll (it's good for reading ebooks, when it's working) as well as to launch things, but it has the annoying habit of going on smoking breaks.
As I know HTC testing software,I can say,it could not be a problem to create an app of this kind,but...
- Do we have SDK for it(I didin't searched for it yet)?
- Currently I don't know,how to send keyboard hooks to the system
- I cannot prevent/disable default keyboard hooks
So that means,I am not able to solve your puzzle. Sorry.
That was my honest opinion...
I don't think he's asking about the Vibrant-Scroll Wheel, I think he's talking about the Optical Track, itself.
[As the Home, Back, Answer, & End Call buttons require you to actually PUSH them down.]
You know, the "OK/Enter" button. When you place you finger on it [NOT PRESS IT], by default, it lights up the Bottom Hardware Keys, as well as brightens the screen.
If it's not working for you, I recommend Backing up your Important Information with either SPB Backup or Microsoft MyPhone, and flashing a New ROM. There are certain Drivers that control the Optical Track. What they are, however, is beyond me.