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In my sigfile below, you can see what I am currently running on my T-Mobile Wing.
The XDA site, for a long time, has been incredible in terms of specific app development, ROMs, etc. But I am now looking for "the next step": Total configuration recommendations: specific recs on which apps to use together with which ROMs on a given device, to achieve a user's most important usability functions and requirements.
I am going to layout the current issues I have been having problems with, mention my priority requirements, and I'm seeking recs on a smart configuration suite that begins with the ROM, includes recs on the overall interface and app launcher, down to specific APP recommendations to best meet my needs.
I think it would be great to eventually create, for all phone models, a series of consumer-end-user "Configuration Profiles", so right now, this is a first request: Help me optimize my T-Mobile Wing for how I want to use it.
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My current configuration:
ROM: OpenTouch 6.5 by ttran001
INTERFACE & APPLICATION LAUNCHER: iFonz 1.1.2 by ssj5trunks
BASIC PHONECALL FUNCTIONS:supbro's iDialer + iContact (via larna)
SOFT KEYBOARD: PCM Keyboard by tene w/ iPhone theme by 2manyphones /
PRIMARY BROWSER: Opera Mini (strengths: Speed, lightweight. Weakness: data input is 2-step process; no copy & paste of web content)
SECONDARY BROWSERS: Opera Mobile (but for some reason the SIP is always overriding my preference, and going back to Windows soft keyboard). Skyfire (great for Youtube; lacks setting your own startpage URL), NetFront (I think their zoom/context scroller is fantastic)
MUSIC PLAYER: A_C's s2p
VIDEO PLAYER: for YouTube videos I use Skyfire Browser; otherwise YouTubePlay by milesmowbray
PHOTO VIEWER/EDITOR/SLIDESHOW A_C's s2v and HTC Album
FILE EXPLORER: Total Commander (has drag & drop!)
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I am having compatibility problems, and I can't seem to troubleshoot the conflict sources. So it's time for a new ROM install, and rebuild my suite of apps. I'm hoping I can get a few recs on ROMS, application launchers, dialers.
USABILITY REQUIREMENTS: I am a power user, but not a techie. I currently have been using iFonz, have liked it a lot. Large target areas for finger navigation is very impt to me, especially when driving. Any of the basic windows soft key areas, scrollbars, OK button, Top-bar icons are not big enough, creating for me constant flow of mistakes and "stalls" in completing just the baseline functions of "Speakerphone On/Off", Hide Keypad/Show keypad etc.
If I had my way I would never have to touch any aspect of the Windows Mobile Interface.. but alas, that is not yet a reality. But getting closer day by day, example: supbro just today released a "green button" app that ties his iDialer app to the windows default dialer. A major breakthrough in usability.
What's Impt to me and Not Impt to me: (for Recommendations' sake):
NOT IMPT: I never run games, don't care. Weather is nice, but not impt. SMS and MMS are lo priority for me, I rarely use them.
MOST IMPT:
1. Basic phone functions, that allow me to take the phone out of my pocket and not end up accidentally ending the call before even getting the phone to my ear. Similarly, not having something accidentally trigger DIALING A FRIEND's NUMBER, or last redial. Big large phone dialpad, with large phone number display, bullet-proof "speakerphone on/off", bullet-proof "SAVE TO CONTACTS" without all the windows mobile backflips of "select Save to Contacts" then do I press "NEW CONTACT" or what? Just terrible usability design. Easy to find REDIAL.
2. Contacts: Contact manager with THUMBNAIL PHOTOS list, jump to alphabet letter, LARGE target area for finger to tap-and-dial in 1-step, not going to a detail screen to select WHICH number, or do I want to send email or SMS.
3. MP3 player: big obvious target area for volume control, and timeline slider, next song, etc. Integration with hard keys for next song, pause, mute. (S2u2 already does this, but there are still some squirrely problems, which create that dreaded problem of wanting to turn it off asap but no, gotta do backflips to get to the interface.)
4. CLOSE ALL APPS: since the Wing has the crappy old processor of its predecessor (MDA), and limited RAM, there are always times when apps lock up, and you just want to close everthing
5. one-click WIFI ON/OFF -- I don't want to go through some cumbersome Communication Manager. When I get home to my network, or I am at a Starbucks and want to use Tmobile Hotspot, it should be a no-brainer: wifi is turned on, all available networks show by default, all in one step. Just as if I take my Macbook Pro to a cafe, click one icon, see all networks. To me it would be even greater if, when I was at a Tmobile Hotspot, 1 click would *turn on wifi, *launch Tmobile's hotspot utility
6. Voice Command, Handwriting SIP, and a bunch of other things.
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I'm hoping someone will take me up on this big-picture request. Thank you
(reserved for photos/ videos of my current configuration)
saving this space to come back and add some photos and videos that demonstrate the problems I want to solve.
You've been a member long enough to know that "Recommend a Rom" threads usually get closed.
You've done a good job listing what exactly you're looking for but still the title is along the lines of a noobie swooping in and asking for the best rom.
Where you do differ is that you've obviously put a lot of thought into what you're looking for but alas the thread title doesnt accurately reflect the depth of your post.
Honestly this sounds like the idea that launched a project. The question is will you step up and coordinate the project?
If so I would recommend you retitle this thread and take the concept to the next step.
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You've been a member long enough to know that "Recommend a Rom" threads usually get closed.
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Hey thanks for replying, kyphur. Honestly, I actually didn't know that... but hold on -- there are 2 reasons why is this. So I will explain, because my intention is not to break rules & protocols -- i have too much respect for this community:
(a) I'm actually not a regular here to see those patterns. I started with an MDA, learned how to use XDA-dev site to try to find answers, went through my initiation of asking dumb questions, getting slapped to "use search, damnit", found my way to understanding the cultuyre and rules.. but even after a year I was too scared to ever try a mod on my MDA. And it wasn't til I got my Wing that I finally jumped in to do the whole shebang -- from hardSPL, to ROM installation, etc. With great help from various members here, like papamopps. And once I get something working, I am not frequenting the site, other than for subscribed threads to Apps that are still in development that I am using -- like for example iContact and iDialer. Because I really rely upon my phone for work, and once it's doing what I need it to do, I generally am not cruising looking for "the next great thing".
I want to add, though, that inasmuch as it may sound as though I am merely a taker and not a giver, the way that I give is by donating to the app developers and ROM chefs whose products I have used. And if you ask A_C and ssj5trunks, for example, my donations are large -- as my best way to compensate back. Also, I volunteer to host websites, and for example A_C hosts part of his new site www.A2-s2.com with me -- and I am happy to be of service that way.
(b) The second reason I didn't explicitly know that was a rule here is because I tend to mostly be in the WING/Herald "silo" -- and there, the user Pureskillz is known for doing thorough Reviews of Roms -- which are amazing -- and I have asked before in threads in that section for recs on which ROM might be fastest for me to use to run iFonz, and I have gotten really helpful replies.
This is all quite different from a newbie parachuting in to say "hey guys, what should I use on my Wing, i want to have an iphone type of phone". So thank you for letting me know - i honestly did not know this was verboten
You've done a good job listing what exactly you're looking for but still the title is along the lines of a noobie swooping in and asking for the best rom.
Where you do differ is that you've obviously put a lot of thought into what you're looking for but alas the thread title doesnt accurately reflect the depth of your post.
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Gotcha. Okay, I will go rename it: How would this sound?
Request: Suggested Apps for configuring my T-Mobile Wing for specific functions
I don't know if that's any better... but
Honestly this sounds like the idea that launched a project. The question is will you step up and coordinate the project?
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Actually, this is exactly part of what I want to do, but on a "clean page" so as to give newbies an easier pathway IN to understanding what is even AVAILABLE to them. But my interest is in mainstream users, not so much in the tricked-out overclocked custom registry code-writing userbase. Because to me, the whole site in its entirety is geared for those users.
So yes, I am wanting to create a website that places a mainstream-friendly "front end" to this amazing knowledge-base. All links would be attributed and linked to the actual XDA threads. But I want to provide capsule summaries that help users understand where they are being sent, and how they should approach a "Release" thread... What they can expect, the protocols for asking for help, etc.
So yes, I have given a lot of thought to what I think, as a Usability and Information Designer, is a huge gap between mainstream phione users who are finding out about XDA for first time -- largely thru YouTube videos which kinda blow their minds -- because its functionality is so beyond what is marketed to them as possible via carriers like (in USA) T-Mobile, AT&T, etc -- and the ability to comprehend this site -- which is gargantuan in nature, and a maze of complexity for a newbie.
Let me give a very tangible example: I would bet you that probably less than 1% of the users of Windows Mobile in the USA, who are using for example, the T-Mobile Wing, have any idea at all that they can get for free GPS location tracking on their phones, right now, today, just by using Google Maps. It's not ever presented to users. So you have this huge population of people who have a truly awesome function available for their phones right now -- that they have no idea is the case.
I was just discussing this in San Francisco the other day with the Product Development Manager at Google for the Google Maps product line.
So: re stepping up to the plate: one of the parts I have in mind is to help facilitate the assembly of -- the creation of -- these "Configuration Profiles" which would seek to create common function-sets that certain types of users would likely say "YES, THAT ONE, that's matches the kinds of things I am looking for.
So, with that in mind, I wanted to try it out here, and see if this would be something users here would support as being worthwhile, or more of just a pain in the ass. And, the timing is such that I really have had more and more problems having my Wing function effectively, and I know from my own experiences that the selection of a ROM is really quite critical to building the suite of apps & functionality I desire.
If so I would recommend you retitle this thread and take the concept to the next step.
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I am fine with your deleting the thread if it really isn't appropriate for the site. I was looking very carefully for where to post this, and this seemed like the best place. What are your thoughts?
thank you.
@ quicksite
The concept sounds great. I agree with you in that many people want functionality but who dont have the technical knowledge, (or want it initially) but who wish to maximise their devices usefulness. They also may not want to risk damaging something they have just paid £500 for. How many times have i had my friends come upto me and say, how did you do that? can i have it? can you do it for me? haha....
Whilst some may say this is not in the spirit of xda as one should not venture into the depths of winmo without technical knowledge, i believe it adheres to its basic principles and that xda should continue in its evolvement (sorry my spelling is crap today); the more the members the greater the knowledge.
Whilst i only have a Polaris and Prophet, i would be interested in this dev project as it could encompass all devices. It would benefit xda in that noobies who dont or cant get to grasp with the technicalities have somewhere (one place) to "glorify" their device. I think once the new members have blinged their device, their interest and curiousity expands... "mm i wonder what else i can do". THis leads to further reading and learning and such new blood and knowledge can only be of benefit.
Count me in.
@quick site
Sounds like you want to either get into cooking your own rom, or should grab an ultralite rom and install everything you want.
You may want to try task facade for a task manager. everything pops up with a large screenshot and to close apps you just have to long hold them.
You can set task facade to a hardbutton (or if your hardbuttons are all full you can use hbutton which allows you to map several programs to one key)
An introductory video example: to orient a new user
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@ quicksite
The concept sounds great. I agree with you in that many people want functionality but who dont have the technical knowledge, (or want it initially) but who wish to maximise their devices usefulness. They also may not want to risk damaging something they have just paid £500 for. How many times have i had my friends come upto me and say, how did you do that? can i have it? can you do it for me? haha....
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Thanks for replying. ... Here's the video I recently added to YouTube just to show in a non-technical way WHAT one could do on their T-Mobile Wing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSc0Qz8tf_c
As I told the Google Maps Mobile product manager, I don't think a tiny fraction of people know about the GPS functioning just via Google Maps usage. This video would not appeal to the vast majority of XDA Members, however, because it is meant to be a soft-introduction to "outsiders", vs an information-packed walk-through or installation guide.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSc0Qz8tf_c
Whilst some may say this is not in the spirit of xda as one should not venture into the depths of winmo without technical knowledge, i believe it adheres to its basic principles and that xda should continue in its evolvement (sorry my spelling is crap today); the more the members the greater the knowledge.
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My area of professional expertise is usability design, consumer content design, information design. I spent over a year getting the feel of XDA site before I jumped in to try to mod my Wing. I learned the culture, realized there were LOTS of preliminary things which I had no idea about, and had to first assemble a macro knowledge set up: what is Hardl SPL, what is an RUU, what is a radio rom, does a ROM have Windows Mobile OS in it? If so, Is it a legal license? what does "brick my phone" mean? ... I went to the Herald wiki, I saw guides for noobs to read, I read them, but then circular questions like: "Be sure to read XXXXX's great guide to flashing"... So I read this guide, many of them, and they'll say "be sure to make sure whether you have version x or version y; if X, never Hard SPL, if Y, it's okay; then a thread "Hard SPL working on WING!", then more guides how to Hard SPL your phone. Then you're supposed to pick a ROM.
If you ask for advice, you're told "start reading; everyone has different needs". SO you read up, use search, end up on a thread you think applies to ROMS for your phone, only to be 12 pages into the thread before you grasp the concept that this thread and this ROM is only for an HTC Himalaya. ANd it's completely irrelevant to my quest.
But senior people here would say "It's obvious, you were in the wrong area; look at the wiki, it has a list of phones, only search for ROMS for that phone"... but some ROMS are for many phones. Anyone, this is nothing new to those experienced with XDA. And I understand the frustration of senior members who keep posting stickies to help Newbies prep properly and not just dive in to ask "how do I get iphone on by HTC Touch?" etc.
But as can be seen very clearly from THIS SEMINAL THREAD, "Let People Ask Whatever They Like", that there is a culture "war" developing on XDA between those who feel adamantly: this site is for tinkerers, and if you've come just to get "kewl" stuff for your phone, you're in the wrong place. While other senior members are adamantly in the other corner of "why not help people? So what if they ask stupid questions? Just move on, ignore them, you don't need to chastise everyone."
Whilst i only have a Polaris and Prophet, i would be interested in this dev project as it could encompass all devices. It would benefit xda in that noobies who dont or cant get to grasp with the technicalities have somewhere (one place) to "glorify" their device. I think once the new members have blinged their device, their interest and curiousity expands... "mm i wonder what else i can do". THis leads to further reading and learning and such new blood and knowledge can only be of benefit.
Count me in.
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This is nice to hear. The biggest problem with any knowledge base is in formation design. Despite the wiki, despite the sticky threads, despite the SIG LINES with links to Help Guides, despite the warnings, it is my professional opinion that this spectacular knowledge-base called XDA-Developers, is like a big tinker-toy project with new arms constantly being added, and nodes that even everyday users don't even know about, because they are specialized areas for particular phones etc. And now there is a whole new initiative ( A GREAT ONE!) to develop for the Android platform.
To me, creating some landing pages that help orient newcomers without overloading them with a huge maze of a dense site -- helps everyone:
* for sure helps the newbie
* helps the senior members (who will see yet another 100 threads open per day with same old new questions) from having to constantly look at "101" type questions.
* helps the software authors in getting donations for their works by more easily shuttling newcomers to the specific kinds of apps they have been looking for.
I think we are seeing a crossroads right now, with the launch of the Apple Apps store, the Android Apps store, Blackberry's store, and Windows' expected entry (what's it called, Skyapps ?)... Critical mass has now been reached in the marketplace for owners of toucscreen devices to now embrace specialized apps and functions that fit specific needs, and manufacturers and carriers are finally figuring this out. XDA sits is a very unusual place amongst all this, given the open-source spirited "knowledge-share & donate" philosophy of the site. I think there will be longtime veteran members here who will not be happy with influxes of even MORE news trying to get the latest & greatest. I just believe the dam has broken, and it might be good to filter newcomers and orient them (my interest), vs having them flood in and irritate the **** out of the people who built this community...
Sorry for the lenghts of these posts. I'm just wanting to be clear.
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@quick site
Sounds like you want to either get into cooking your own rom, or should grab an ultralite rom and install everything you want.
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Thanks. Yes, that's what I have done to date. I started with a PapaMopps ROM, then moved to an OpenTouch ROM, and now am trying to consider WHICH ultralite woud work best for my configuration. It's these snags like dialers that confound me. AND which topbar is overriding another -- for exmaple, when iFonz is in use, it overrides the top bar with access to windows start logo, etc.
You may want to try task facade for a task manager. everything pops up with a large screenshot and to close apps you just have to long hold them.
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Thank you for the rec. i will search for Task Facade.
I also just found WkTask from a thread here at XDA -- and tried it out. Now THAT's what I'm looking for... but again, it's the conflcit with apps or interfaces that overlay that top bar so that it is not a constant.
You can set task facade to a hardbutton (or if your hardbuttons are all full you can use hbutton which allows you to map several programs to one key)
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Ahh, I never new until now about Hbutton. That's exactly what I need! I will search for it too. I am guessing it is context sensitive -- and offers a different default action depending on which app is the one in use?
thanks very much.
@ quicksite
Assume you are going to set up your own site for this project or is this something you are going to do on xda? im interested in assisting in this in which ever direction you want this to go, so let me know and i will find some time and buy some more coffee....
I'm not sure quite what you want to achieve, but I think what you want is a less technical (i.e. suitable for normal people) way to access the information here.
This sub forum was brought about because it was decided that new users probably wouldn't have a huge technical knowledge, so it woul be better to let them ask about "what's x" somewhere where people want to help rather than hack. So in a sense, this sub forum goes part way to achieving that.
Hi everybody, I got my 1st WM device 2 weeks ago, and wherever I went, I found links to this forum. Since then I found so many great applications here (and I haven't even done a systematic search), so thanks a lot for this cool place!
One thing is missing badly for me though: On my old Symbian 3rd I was asked every time an application wanted to access the internet (and also write/read data). I could block it, allow it once or permanently. So almost exactly the same I have on my desktop with Sunbelt.
Now on WM, it seems to be totally common that every application can access the net as it likes to, without any kind of user confirmation. And I really don't feel comfortable about it. Who knows an application doesn't scan my phonebook or other personal data and upload it somewhere without me even knowing about it?!
So I did lots of searches, and the "best" I found was "Airscanner Mobile Firewall". Unfortunately though, it lacks application-based rules. You can only block E-Mails completely, or ICMP, or... But it doesn't protect you from installed software going online is it pleases.
Apart from that, there seem to be no tools for this at all. There are call blockers or tools that cut off internet completely, but no tools to control web access based on application. To be honest, I'm totally surprised by this, since there is thousands of apps for WM for anything else. It doesn't even seem to be a topic that concerns lots of WM users, while the creators of Symbian obviously took it quite serious.
I know I could have posted this in the "ideas for apps" thread, but first I wanted to check I didn't miss any existing software.
Thanks for any hints!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382660&highlight=firewall
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Tak for the reply, but as I said...
I did lots of searches, and the "best" I found was "Airscanner Mobile Firewall". Unfortunately though, it lacks application-based rules. You can only block E-Mails completely, or ICMP, or... But it doesn't protect you from installed software going online is it pleases.
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Well, if this seems to be of no interest to anybody, I guess it means there never have been any cases of spyware on WM yet ever?
Is it not technically possible for an application to read the entire memory of a WM device and send it anywhere without the user taking notice? Let alone install a keylogger, reset the device and other evil stuff?
not that I know off and the virus are also a handful which are more likely proof of concept then real malware
Hi all,
I'm not that far to create my own rom at the moment.
But i see some very nice tools to track your mobile when stolen.
If every ROM builder will implement a Tracker like:
http://remotetracker.sourceforge.net/index.html
in his rom as OEM than everyone can protect their phone even when it have been hard reset.
I thnk Remote Tracker is the best, it also support to be cooked in ROMS..
Someone else who share my idea?
160bpm said:
Hi all,
I'm not that far to create my own rom at the moment.
But i see some very nice tools to track your mobile when stolen.
If every ROM builder will implement a Tracker like:
http://remotetracker.sourceforge.net/index.html
in his rom as OEM than everyone can protect their phone even when it have been hard reset.
I thnk Remote Tracker is the best, it also support to be cooked in ROMS..
Someone else who share my idea?
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First of all after 39 posts, you should be now be aware of the rules against starting redundant posts on redundant subjects. This thread is on this same page. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362645
Secondly in this age of the super ram, lite , naked, strip it down ,fad. I doubt that people would want their resources taken up by yet another app that they never use or maybe, possibly, hopefully not, will only use once.
For me, I always have my phone secured in a holster. I only take it out to use, never place it down and never leave it anywhere. I would not want something " cooked " into a rom, that I will never use.
Plus if I can track my " stolen " phone, what keeps people from tracking me ?
A password ? A promise that my information will be kept private at all times,?
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First of all after 39 posts, you should be now be aware of the rules against starting redundant posts on redundant subjects. This thread is on this same page. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362645
Secondly in this age of the super ram, lite , naked, strip it down ,fad. I doubt that people would want their resources taken up by yet another app that they never use or maybe, possibly, hopefully not, will only use once.
For me, I always have my phone secured in a holster. I only take it out to use, never place it down and never leave it anywhere. I would not want something " cooked " into a rom, that I will never use.
Plus if I can track my " stolen " phone, what keeps people from tracking me ?
A password ? A promise that my information will be kept private at all times,?
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thats exactly what i was going to say
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Plus if I can track my " stolen " phone, what keeps people from tracking me ?
A password ? A promise that my information will be kept private at all times,?
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If you read some info.. When sim is changed only a txt msg will send to a trusted person you give up in the tool that sim is changed with GPS location.
And you can sent txt msg to the phone to remove contacts etc etc..
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If you read some info.. When sim is changed only a txt msg will send to a trusted person you give up in the tool that sim is changed with GPS location.
And you can sent txt msg to the phone to remove contacts etc etc..
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Thats not true........... Your device IMEI is part of the protocol the phone service probes and has records of, regardless of the ROM you install. Let us say your phone is stolen, then all you have to do is contact the phone company and request tag location on the IMEI. The phone company then, if you can prove that the phone was yours, will tell you what phone number is now using the device and will assist you locate the phone. The phone companies keep the paired IMEI and the SIM records to prevent theft and to establish warranty start time. Just keep your IMEI number handy if you need it later in case of loss or theft.
So in essence, all those phone locator's' software are nothing but scams.
I think this thread is redundant as Denco has established and needs to be closed.
I agree with the original poster. Every cooked ROM should include this.
And yes, it is password protected so nobody can track you unless you want them to. Not only is it password protected, but you also need the phone number of anyone you want to track. So unless someone has your phone number AND password, you don't need to worry about being tracked.
As far as a phone company helping locate your phone- good luck with that. I can just imagine an AT&T rep responding to that request in a timely fashion, lol.
If my phone ever gets stolen, I will know within 1 minute exactly where it is. And if I was using that app instead of the Sprite Terminator I am currently using, I could FTP all of the contents of my storage card so I don't lose anything, then remotely wipe and lock the device.
That other thread is talking about Sprite Terminator, not the Remote Tracker app this thread is discussing. I will mention Remote Tracker in that other thread and see if anyone bites...
Duplicate post and discussion, mods please close
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Duplicate post and discussion, mods please close
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It is not a duplicate. That other thread is discussing Sprite Terminator, not Remote Tracker. That is a totally different app. It's a commercial app that has to be purchased. This Remote Tracker app is a freeware app that even the creator supports and encourages cooking into ROMs.
We don't close IE threads as being duplicates of Opera threads, do we?
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If you read some info.. When sim is changed only a txt msg will send to a trusted person you give up in the tool that sim is changed with GPS location.
And you can sent txt msg to the phone to remove contacts etc etc..
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if you read some info you would know that you shouldn't have started a new thread for this in the "kaiser ROM development" forum and asfoor is right.
heres the kitty
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if you read some info you would know that you shouldn't have started a new thread for this in the "kaiser ROM development" forum and asfoor is right.
heres the kitty
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If this is a duplicate thread, please post a link where they are discussng cooking this app into every cooked Kaiser ROM. The linked thead is NOT a duplicate. They are discussing a totally different app. And the moda even removed a link because the app they are discussing in that other thread is not freeware. To my knowledge, there is not another thread on the topic of cooking Remote Tracker into all cooked Kaiser ROMs. And if I am mistaken, please post a link.
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If this is a duplicate thread, please post a link where they are discussng cooking this app into every cooked Kaiser ROM. The linked thead is NOT a duplicate. They are discussing a totally different app. And the moda even removed a link because the app they are discussing in that other thread is not freeware. To my knowledge, there is not another thread on the topic of cooking Remote Tracker into all cooked Kaiser ROMs. And if I am mistaken, please post a link.
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i never said it was a duplicate but the mentioned thread is about similar software at which point regardless neither that thread or this one should have been posted in this forum, go post in kaiser general, kaiser software or some other forum and keep threads not dealing with rom development out of here. if it's a question about if it can be added as a package, go post question in the thread for the kitchen one is using. way to many people starting non kaiser rom development related threads here in our rom development forum, WAY TO MANY look at all the threads that litter our forum.
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i never said it was a duplicate but the mentioned thread is about similar software at which point regardless neither that thread or this one should have been posted in this forum, go post in kaiser general, kaiser software or some other forum and keep threads not dealing with rom development out of here. if it's a question about if it can be added as a package, go post question in the thread for the kitchen one is using. way to many people starting non kaiser rom development related threads here in our rom development forum, WAY TO MANY look at all the threads that litter our forum.
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The app in that other thread is nothing like this app. It has 1 or 2 of the same features and that's it. This app does a whole lot more than the other app.
Incidentally, I contacted Sprite about possibly turning the Sprite Terminator app into an OEM package for cooked ROMs and the freaked out about how they don't support cooked ROMs, and they're a Microsoft partner, and blah blah blah. This app we're talking about here already has an OEM package created by the app's developer. So it is totally different.
The reason he posted it in this forum is because he is asking that all future cooked ROMs contain this app. That is the whole point of this thread- getting this app cooked into all future cooked ROMs. And in that light, this is the perfect place for this thread.
Rather than looking for threads littering a forum, lets take a look at posts littering a good thread...
Incidentally- that other thread that is about doing this same thing with Sprite Terminator, a few mods even posted in that thread and there was not a peep about it not belonging in this forum. They did, however, say the OEM package had to be taken down for piracy concerns. That is not an issue with Remote tracker because the app developer created an OEM package himself and posted it here on XDA, with a tool to create the registry entries needed, and detailed instructions on how to cook it into a ROM.
Just incase you never read XDA-Developers.com and always going into forum.xda-developers.com
Thean read this and if you notice any of theese site's
Post em in this thread!
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It has recently come to our attention that there is someone–using a domain very similar to xda-developers.com–operating a phishing scheme trying to steal the usernames and passwords of XDA users. The site is using a transparent proxy to access XDA and to essentially copy XDA page-for-page, URL-for-URL. This site, other than the small difference in domain, looks and feels exactly like XDA. Please always make sure you are on xda-developers.com (rather than xda-developers.com.xx, for example) before entering your password. For 99.99% of you, there’s very little likelihood that you would ever end up on the “fake” XDA, but we felt it reasonable to warn users anyway.
We block their access to XDA, but they continually switch IPs, utilizing an inexhaustible list of compromised machines. We are also trying other methods of getting the site taken down or blocked, but thus far they seem very determined. If anyone has experience stopping this type of sophisticated phishing scheme, please send svetius a PM!
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Hi Everyone, long time reader, modder, flasher, 0 time poster:.
I just wanted to get a gauge on the community's attitude towards hacking a paid application. Not for the intent of making it free, but for the intent of making it work!
You see, There's an app out there called "Escort Live!". Don't get me wrong, it's a great app as it integrates with your radar detector and laser jammers while driving... but it's rife with issues that the company just hasn't been able to address... see the following forum for more information on that:
I can't outside link yet due to the post count, but you can find all of the issues on escort live! for android's forums. I'm sure you can google them.
So... I made a post to try and help the community out by decompiling the 2.04apk hosted on their site... not even their latest version... with Virtuous 10 Studios, and Informed the community of the Sloppy Dev work, and that I would try to fix the issues with our specific phones (Motorola based).
2 days after that post was made...
I get permanently banned. no reason given.
They then pulled the old .apk's off of their site, so I've conveniently uploaded it to mega upload so everyone can see the crappy dev work for themselves... again... can't post links yet, but if someone with a post count pms me I'll send it to them.
I don't have enough of a post count to make a dev project out of this yet either, but as soon as I do then I'll post the progress on of the project on github.
If anyone would like to join in the effort to give PAYING CUSTOMERS a functioning apk to use with their phones... volunteers are more than welcome, especially those with java / xml experience.
I have a wordpress site that I can't link here, but it's my first name Philip Last Name Cabibi at wordpress if you're interested in tracking the issue with the full links.
market link
From a technical standpoint the app is free (with premium subscription options) and I can only assume there's some sort of verification process for that subscription so as long as that's kept in I would think this is certainly acceptable though I'm not sure what your post actually said
did find this though (basically just talks about it and then links here and the blog) relevant post on his blog is here
@ University of Pi...
You are correct... It's a free app; however, in order to all the app to connect with your escort compatible radar detector, one must purchase a separate cord, and pay for a yearly subscription of about 79.95.
Full disclosure: the management at escort has been nothing but professional, and have extended the subscription of the beta testers for another year as a result of all the bugs.
The problem though is the lack of updates. Alot of us have invested alot of money into the app. Cost of Radar detector, Cost of the special chord, plus the cost of the subscription. New users, unfortunately, don't get the benifit of the extended subscription.
The point is... is that users of certain phones, paid for a product, and the product isn't functioning correctly. The reasons for this are the sub-standard programming of the devs. No notation on the methods in the smali files, poorly designed xml arrays, cryptic variable definitions, etc.
Personally, I feel as if the management have no control over the fixing of the problems, and are handcuffed, because the initial developer purposefully made the program extremely difficult for a new developer to come in and fix the issues, as a result of the poor structure of the program itself.
Anyway, glad to see you found those links... Thank you... didn't know that another thread was made requesting information about what happened to the original thread (they are correct, I in no way posted the entire source code of the program on their site) What I did was point out the flaws, and logcat results that tell a completely different story regarding the root issues effecting motorola devices than what the devs have told management, and as a result, what management has in turn relayed to the users.
Unfortunately, I can't follow up in the forum as I am permanently banned, but I, and many others, really just want the program to work correctly. It's an excellent concept and it's a shame that Escort is resorting to these types of tactics in an attempt to prevent the open source community from improving their product.
I'm sure even with the improvements, a subscription fee would still be required; however, the original concept of the OP was to convey the fact that it's possible for the open source community to bypass the "premium features".
I don't condone this; however, it's a difficult pill to swallow when faced between choosing the ethical choice.... paying the yearly subscription for a poorly functioning app... or sideloading a fully functioning app created by an open source community because the official developers aren't making any progress.
Would any other senior devs on this site wish to chime in on this?
You should have never been banned from there...but hey...no good deed goes unpunished right?
I've had EL for quite some time and it's irritating to no end to see how flawed it is. It's a shame that they won't welcome help and instead act that way toward people trying to do something good for them.
Hacking and posting an app that uses paid services is considered warez and will not allowed to be posted here nor will any help be given in doing so.