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Screen alignment in WM6

Hey,
I had installed Faria's first WM6 rom on my phone... and I noticed that my screen alignment was shifting gradually to the left... as in the click would be registered a little to the left each time. This made it difficult to click OK and to Scroll...
I install the Tmobile 2.26 rom, WM5... the problem remains, but after a month it goes away... now my phone is working absolutely perfectly... no need to keep realigning...
I installed another version of WM6 today... Xmobile 2a or something, and after 5 minutes of using the phone the same thing begins happening!
Has anyone noticed this issue?
Some help guys/...

the same problem with me, sometimes when I tap on OK button the tap is sent to the contacts (on the lower right portion of the screen) and sometimes on the middle of the screen...
I changed the IE button to OK/Close button

Screen Alignment
Same with me!

Same here infact this is true with consolidated rom also. I tried all possible combinations of touch dll same issue. This problem is not in NBD 7.X roms

same with me and i'm using TNT 3.0 ...

hi guys screen aligment problem means your screen is faulty..roms dont cause this problem.i had same problem 2 months ago.i sent my wizard to repair.they changed my screen.now my wizard is working like a charm.no more screen aligment problem anymore with wm6(or wm5) roms.(i am using SND 2 at the moment)....HTC technician sad to me this is a big bug in all our at the wizard models.so flash with your orginal rom and send your wizard repair.you will be happy with your new screen )

I had the same problem! I eventually gave in and got a warranty replacement after the vibrator motor started to fail. So far, no problems - XM6.2a works like a charm.

Hey guys, what about the fact that there isnt any alignment problems when running WM5. I'm talking about months of no problems, then loading WM6 and they start all over again....
I've found that my alignment practically shifts depending on the way I put the phone in my pouch... it has a pretty strong magnet... is there anything with that?

Hmmm You know, this can be discussed as a hardware issue etc..
but my personal experience has been this.
WM5. No alignment issues. When I leave it in my pocket though, oftentimes I have to do the screen alignment because it seems to 'fade' and is not precise whenever I select anything in the entire screen with the stylus.
WM6. Alignment issues started happening --but, it only happens on the extreme right of the screen --the vertical scroll bar and the OK button. I oftentimes have to re-align the screen and it seems to be good for a few days/hours?
It's not a defect hardware wise that I can see because it's very specific. If it was a defective hardware, wouldn't the issue be on the entire screen?
Is it ROM related?
WM6 HTC Asian pack installed and tweaked to Cingular

Thumb swipe and screen covers ??
OK, here's a new wrinkle. I was trying to flash a wm6 ROM BECAUSE I was having screen alignment problems. Unfortunately flashing to TMobile 2.26 in preparation only seemed to make matters worse. I resigned myself to sending it in for warranty repair and flashed it to ship 1.8.11.1 WWE and I couldn't even get through the align screen sequence. Sometimes it wouldn't respond at all. Sometimes I could get the first two or three taps, then nothing. And guess what, according to my friendly Cingular (now ATT) dealer I'm 7 days out of warranty!!
The story's not over. As I morosely sat on the couch fiddling, my wife googled a couple of references to this problem being fixed by wiping your thumb across the screen ( yeah right, during a full moon with your other thumb in your ear ). It didn't work. Being the good ol gal she is she said "let me try." I humored her. First thing she tried to do was take of the screen protector (cant remember where I got it but it's the washable kind, recommended on this forum, mail order single piece that fits perfectly). I said don't bother, cause that wouldn't have anything to do with it. You guessed it. She still taunts me about it. It worked. I still have frequent misalignment or unresponsiveness, but I wipe me thumb across the screen (sometimes 2 or 3 times), and poof, it responds appropriately without even realigning! I just returned to the forum to get the ROM I was trying to flash in the first place (the reason I lost it is another long story!) and decided to post this FWIW.
-->steven

I'm still leaning towards this being a hardware issue in my case. I was using WM6 for a few months before I developed any problems with screen alignment. Unfortunately, I did not check to see whether the problem wa still there after I flashed back to the manufacturer's ROM.

Wizard Screen Alignment - Fixed!
Gents,
I'm pretty sure that this is not a ROM problem at all, but a hardware issue that can be easily resolved in most circumstances without handset replacement nor opening up the case.
Specifically, it appears that the flexible mount (foam, I think) around the screen gets a bit stiff or deformed over time. The result is that the screen believes that there is constant and diffuse pressure on the right side, screwing up alignment. All that needs to be done is to slide out the keyboard and loosen the two screws on the underside of the keyboard just a bit. Pressure on the screen is released, and the problem is solved...probably semi-permanently.
That said, if you remain under warranty and are not concerned about a replacement that is a G4 or a different model altogether, by all means send it in for warranty replacement rather than messing with the screws.

I have T-Moile MDA (Wizard) Windows Mobile 6 is working fine for me, no shifting problem of screen. I'm using XDA Mobile 6 (XDA MOBILE 2a)
This is not the bug of operating system, it is the hardware problem of screen.

I have this same problem, and its definately not a hardware issue; I can go into Screen preferences and Align Screen, then it works fine for awhile. Also, restored backups of my WM5 setup are not producing this alignment problem. All WM6 ROMs I have used suffer from it.
Mine is an 8125.

Stinkfist said:
I have this same problem, and its definately not a hardware issue; I can go into Screen preferences and Align Screen, then it works fine for awhile. Also, restored backups of my WM5 setup are not producing this alignment problem. All WM6 ROMs I have used suffer from it.
Mine is an 8125.
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Perhaps the touch.dll in WM6 is more sensitive to the foam mount problem. Have you tried loosening the two screws I mentioned and re-aligning.

datawrhsdoc said:
Gents,
I'm pretty sure that this is not a ROM problem at all, but a hardware issue that can be easily resolved in most circumstances without handset replacement nor opening up the case.
Specifically, it appears that the flexible mount (foam, I think) around the screen gets a bit stiff or deformed over time. The result is that the screen believes that there is constant and diffuse pressure on the right side, screwing up alignment. All that needs to be done is to slide out the keyboard and loosen the two screws on the underside of the keyboard just a bit. Pressure on the screen is released, and the problem is solved...probably semi-permanently.
That said, if you remain under warranty and are not concerned about a replacement that is a G4 or a different model altogether, by all means send it in for warranty replacement rather than messing with the screws.
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I actually just bought a case off of eBay for my phone. I never replaced the screen casing, but found that the screws were loose. I tightened them, then noticed this problem. I will try loosening them and let you guys know how it goes!

amazingly, i loosen the screws and my X button seems to work a lot better with the touch dll. I will test this out for a couple days, but seems to be working pretty well now.

I don't know... That trick doesn't appear to be working for me. One thing I don't understand is how the alignment can be perfect, I let the phone sit over night and it's a centimeter off to the right. You would think if it's hardware related, actually having the phone in your pocket all day, would jar the screen around. But if it sits on my nightstand all night, and still has problems i'm not so sure i'm convinced that it's hardware. All I know is this is really annoying and I do not like having to align my screen everytime I use my phone. Maybe i'll have to get a new one since it's out of warranty.

Guys, check out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1388925#post1388925
I just posted a response about someone elses possible fix. This may be the answer.
This may also explain why one users 'loosening' the screws on the unit fixed it. Maybe it was pushing dust into the screen.

OK so maybe this doesn't work. Can anyone else try it ?

Screen Alignment Problem..anybody having too?

HISTORY:
Recently back from screen replacement. Currently on TNT4.0 Professional.
PROBLEM:
It seems that the bottom half is alright. Just the upper half especially on right-hand at OK buttons. I've to click almost 5mm-10mm below to actually press OK or X. It becomes apparent while writing on Notes(I use PocketNote) with handwriting. Below appx. half line it writes where the pen is touching ie perfect. But above half line, it becomes very hard to write anything at all coz of problem in alignment. The alphabets don't appear as should be with some stopping short.
I suspect it's the hardware but also could be ROM(WM6) related. I briefly tested 1908 and it seems fine but due to the lack of time, I went back to current rom.
1)If others are also having same problem then possibly a ROM related.
2)Possibly some has already a solution if it's ROM related.
3)If hardware related, then time for wizard to retire as replacing again is not worth due to the price involved.
Just want to see whether anybody else having same kind of problem in WM6.
Thanks all.

I had similar problem with my previous ROM (but dunno from who was it, but OS said still 10.x.x.x), but this problem appeared and disappeared by itself, sometimes I had to re-align screen. It happened without any obvious reason - while playing solitaire, etc. Started to suspect hw, but reflashed to latest TNT and problem solved.

I have the same issue with my mda it in the same position, top right hand corner. I just haveto realign it, then reboot. And it fixs it for awhile, then I have to do it over again. Gets very annoying, I dont know whats the problem, since it happened when I was on the stock tmobile updated rom on wm5, and it still happens when I upgraded to the wm6. Currently running the black diamond rom, but since running black diamond it doesnt happen that often.
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Device: Tmobile MDA G3 Unlocked
Network: Tmobile US
IPL: 2.26 SPL 2.26 GSM: 02.25.11
OS: Black Diamond V3
SanDisk 2GB Mini SD

these devices are getting old
I've started noticing issues with screen alignment as well. Initially, I seriously thought it had to do with the "TouchFlo" fad and all the related WM6 ROMs, but I had since gone back to WM5 shipped and the problem persisted. So now I am facing the sad fact that my Wizard is probably just getting too damn old!!! I see the posts all the time.....ailing battery life....misaligned screens...flaky usb ports...miniSD cards not working...etc... I looked at various prices to replace parts ( http://www.pocketpctechs.com/main.asp?area=home )- but it just doesn't seem worth it!
Let's see how prices look for the Kaiser early next year... Or perhaps if I-mate gets their act together and produces hardware that lasts...

check this thread out, i tried the last suggestion, and it work awhile.

same ting here, but for me the problem occures on the bottum, at the softkeys. Most problem occures at the bottum left side. I also tried loading WM5 stock ROM (Qtek or T-Mobile) but without any improvement...
When aligning I also need to press the covering at the bottom left side, else I can't even align the screen....
In deed it seem to look for a new device will be the only good solution...

daishi17 said:
check this thread out, i tried the last suggestion, and it work awhile.
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Which thread??

Screen Alignment Problem..anybody having too?
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nope, i am using OLD mun.,..

my bad i forgot to paste the thread, but pretty much what the person did was use thier thumb and and wipe the screen with it. I did that and it worked quite well. I also installed the battary status app the beta version that is up on thier site, and have the cpu scaler enabled, and omap enabled with all options on.
omap overclock set at 247
CpuScaler
Min 143
Org 195
Max 247
Boost 260
Since i did this the screen alignment issue has disappeared, working great. Has been going good for a day and 8 hrs.
Try it and see, since this problem with the screen alignement is quite mysterious.

I think native12, is right. I have two Wizards (one OK one bad) and one Hermes. The bad Wizard was replaced by KPN, who told me that its a known problem, works fine now. The Hermes is even worse 1 cm out after half an hour.

YUP ! very true our ol'wizard are aged wearing out and goners
but certainly not a Rom upgrade malfunction,I must say only due to hardware malfunction or wearing out,

My story goes like this:
I've been having this realignment symptoms for over 6 months now but it got worse during the Summer. I used to have a protection film and read somewhere that the pressure it applied on the screen was responsible for the misalignment. By this time that was happening several times a day so i took the film off and it appeared to be the solution. It wasn't... after two weeks or so it came back and i started considering applying for warranty replacement or repair.
I have a friend that works at the official dealer repair center and offered to take my Wizard for observation regarding this matter. He saw i was running a WM6 customized ROM and was concerned that the repair guys would complain about void warranty so i decided to downgrade it to the original shipped ROM: 1.06 WWE
So he took it and in less than a week i had it back. You wanna know what they did? They upgraded it to WWE 2.17... HAHAHAHAHA After the large amount of ROMs flashed and countless times i read and flashed it to test WST they upgrade the device to solve a hardware issue.
Man, that almost makes me not want to send it back for the real repair/replacement...
"Grandfather: Well... that's it. Did you like the story?
Grandson: Yes, it was great!!
Grandfather: I'm glad, now off to bed." ('Manowar,Kings of Metal')

mestrini said:
My story goes like this:
I've been having this realignment symptoms for over 6 months now but it got worse during the Summer. I used to have a protection film and read somewhere that the pressure it applied on the screen was responsible for the misalignment. By this time that was happening several times a day so i took the film off and it appeared to be the solution. It wasn't... after two weeks or so it came back and i started considering applying for warranty replacement or repair.
I have a friend that works at the official dealer repair center and offered to take my Wizard for observation regarding this matter. He saw i was running a WM6 customized ROM and was concerned that the repair guys would complain about void warranty so i decided to downgrade it to the original shipped ROM: 1.06 WWE
So he took it and in less than a week i had it back. You wanna know what they did? They upgraded it to WWE 2.17... HAHAHAHAHA After the large amount of ROMs flashed and countless times i read and flashed it to test WST they upgrade the device to solve a hardware issue.
Man, that almost makes me not want to send it back for the real repair/replacement...
"Grandfather: Well... that's it. Did you like the story?
Grandson: Yes, it was great!!
Grandfather: I'm glad, now off to bed." ('Manowar,Kings of Metal')
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"Grandfather: Well... that's it. Did you like the story?
Grandson: Yes, it was great!!
Grandfather: I'm glad, now off to bed." ('Manowar,Kings of Metal')
THAT"S IT

Asking "how" is like travelling through space in 3 seconds...(nice one )
It got worst from bad after using "search" function- with those cutting card method, screen protector off things. Now even the screen calibration never ends.
No....even can't sleep as "KAISER" is on my head.

Sick of it, returning it, sooo disappointing

Okay, I'm going to (try and) return my device (through devicewire, anyone know how good their returns policy is?). Here, in order of importance, is why:
1- Bluetooth doesn't work any more (it comes up saying "Error: bluetooth hardware problem"
2- Phone needs a hard restart (battery out) ONCE A DAY. This is despite resetting it and keeping it clean as received. Something will freeze
3- It's slow. REALLY slow. OMG how boringly slow.
4- Most screen taps require one, two or three attempts to get it to recognise - whether I do the registry hack or not
5- It ain't that pretty, it ain't that small, it ain't that light
Shame, because it does have a fair bit going for it. But I'm finding that they've just tried to push the envelope too far, especially on a system that is such a HUGE MESS already (Windows Mobile).
Gawd I HATE it when a gadget doesn't work out. And I hate it more when it cost me near enough £400 ($800) to get it

It really sounds like you have defective unit. Maybe you should try to exchange it for another one.

sonus said:
It really sounds like you have defective unit. Maybe you should try to exchange it for another one.
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Yep. Not one issue with mine. As for speed, I guess that's all relative. However, I have had enough WM devices in the past to base my comparisons to and I don't find the TC to be any worse than my past devices. In some respects, it is faster at some operations (ie. opening applications, browsing directories, etc) than my past device. I have no issue with touching the screen and the amount of pressure needed.
As for the size and weight of the TC, you'll be hard pressed to find anything that's leaps and bounds smaller and lighter on the market right now with the exception of the original Touch series.

madinga said:
Okay, I'm going to (try and) return my device (through devicewire, anyone know how good their returns policy is?). Here, in order of importance, is why:
1- Bluetooth doesn't work any more (it comes up saying "Error: bluetooth hardware problem"
2- Phone needs a hard restart (battery out) ONCE A DAY. This is despite resetting it and keeping it clean as received. Something will freeze
3- It's slow. REALLY slow. OMG how boringly slow.
4- Most screen taps require one, two or three attempts to get it to recognise - whether I do the registry hack or not
5- It ain't that pretty, it ain't that small, it ain't that light
Shame, because it does have a fair bit going for it. But I'm finding that they've just tried to push the envelope too far, especially on a system that is such a HUGE MESS already (Windows Mobile).
Gawd I HATE it when a gadget doesn't work out. And I hate it more when it cost me near enough £400 ($800) to get it
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Taking the battery out does not hard reset the device, it just reboots it. If you check the wiki, you sill see how to really perform the hard reset. This may be all your device needs. Sounds like some corrupt files in the active OS. Doing a true Hard Reset will restore all files from ROM and correct any corrupt ones. You will lose all settings and contact information so have them backed up or accessible. Also, you may want to remove your microSD before you hard reset.
Good Luck and report back

raskell said:
Taking the battery out does not hard reset the device, it just reboots it. If you check the wiki, you sill see how to really perform the hard reset. This may be all your device needs. Sounds like some corrupt files in the active OS. Doing a true Hard Reset will restore all files from ROM and correct any corrupt ones. You will lose all settings and contact information so have them backed up or accessible. Also, you may want to remove your microSD before you hard reset.
Good Luck and report back
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Sorry, I should have said i DID do a proper hard reset (hold buttons down, restart, software reinstalls on a bare phone), and still problems with bluetooth. AND, incidentially, WIFI! This evening I'm going to try throwing it against a wall (joking). Thanks for helping though

madinga said:
Sorry, I should have said i DID do a proper hard reset (hold buttons down, restart, software reinstalls on a bare phone), and still problems with bluetooth. AND, incidentially, WIFI! This evening I'm going to try throwing it against a wall (joking). Thanks for helping though
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You got a bad device. It happens. If you are satisfied with what the device offers, exchange it for another.

it's true that it's too slow to search a name in all database !
I had a QTek 9090 also cadenced to 400Mhz during nearly 2 years,and I used to search a name not only in contacts but using the "search" tool in all the datas and with the same database of almost 3000 contacts + calender over 1000 entries, with the QTek it took only a few seconds, here on the TC (and I used also before a TYTN it was the same problem : very slow),it takes more than 1 minute ! It is so slow that the screenlight turns off before it has found !! It is really boring and not easy to use: I have to go in contacts and type the name or surname, then it is much faster....BUT if I want to find a keyword I put in the notes of my contacts, the only way is to use the search tool and it is REAL too slow !
What do you guys, testers, think about this ? The QTek had the same processor speed, half less RAM and ROM but maybe it consumed more energy, more power, maybe the battery lasted less time, but ok, I prefer to charge my battery more often and to have a fast PDA . I cannot wait so long to search an item !!!

try to exchange you device for a new one and you will be a happy chap

Cedel: The 9090 (Qtek = HTC) has an Intel CPU I owned a Qtek S110 (also Intel) and it was in fact very fast. But comparing raw CPU speed in this case is not correct. I'm pretty sure Intel uses a completely different architecture. There are IMO several reasons for HTC dropping Intel from their phones:
1. Cost - Intel have never been a cost effective solution and I strongly suspect that they are at least 30% more expensive.
2. Battery - A 9090 or S110 would not live though the day with GPS, 128 MB DDR RAM and all the other features you now have I can confirm this from an iPAQ 316 I tested recently. 2 hours @battery power was it's maximum!

madinga said:
3- It's slow. REALLY slow. OMG how boringly slow.
4- Most screen taps require one, two or three attempts to get it to recognise - whether I do the registry hack or not
Gawd I HATE it when a gadget doesn't work out. And I hate it more when it cost me near enough £400 ($800) to get it
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that's every touch cruise made by HTC...yours, mine, everyone who owns one in this forum
HTC consideres these two things "features" because this is a "business device"
i thought you knew that! (lol)
just for kicks though, what registry hack are you referring to?

surgex0 said:
that's every touch cruise made by HTC...yours, mine, everyone who owns one in this forum
HTC consideres these two things "features" because this is a "business device"
i thought you knew that! (lol)
just for kicks though, what registry hack are you referring to?
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Good point!
The registry hack is the one to increase screen sensitivity posted elsewhere - screen still needed a couple of prods to work.
Any case, I've sent it off to HTC with my list of complaints - let's see what they send back...

yeah i've tried that...didn't do much difference
i hope u get ur probs fixed, good luck dealing with HTC :-\

madinga said:
Good point!
The registry hack is the one to increase screen sensitivity posted elsewhere - screen still needed a couple of prods to work.
Any case, I've sent it off to HTC with my list of complaints - let's see what they send back...
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I have recently sent me touch dual back to HTC twice- the first time they said they replaced the mainboard but when I got it back it still had problems, the second time they said they couldnt find any issues with it and reflashed the rom and sent it back- they were unhelpful and unapologetic. Was thinking of sending in a written complaint as I never had any problems with my wizard or TYTN but I honestly dont think it will achieve anything.
I was thinking of getting rid of it and getting a touch cruise but it seems to have just as many problems. I think its windows mobile that is the weak link here.

RetroFlux said:
I was thinking of getting rid of it and getting a touch cruise but it seems to have just as many problems.
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What problems are those? Aside from lack of graphics drivers, the device performs as I expect.

Well, I got my device back from HTC. Appart from the fact the screen glows in the bottom left corner (though not really visible once the screen is bright), they seem to have improved it. In the sense that it's not totally broken. So bluetooth and WIFI work again, which, frankly, they should for this much money.
The TC is still a slow phone with pretty terrible usability. But even with a faster processor, the usability would be terrible. So, I dunno, I'm stuck with it for the moment.

madinga, i really understand you. It's a ****ed up device! I bought it for $1000 and for such money it freezes, doesn't wakeup on power push, and got a very bad performance. I wanna throw it to the wall!! ****

Well I like mine...
But it's not a massive improvement over the original Orbit. The Touch interface is loads better though, I'd miss that if I went back to the Orbit.
A proper VGA screen in it would be great though, since it would make it a lot more possible/easier to use to read PDF novels etc. Currently you can't have the entire page of a book full screen and the text still be readable. A higher DPI would sort that out.

madinga said:
Well, I got my device back from HTC. Appart from the fact the screen glows in the bottom left corner (though not really visible once the screen is bright), they seem to have improved it. In the sense that it's not totally broken. So bluetooth and WIFI work again, which, frankly, they should for this much money.
The TC is still a slow phone with pretty terrible usability. But even with a faster processor, the usability would be terrible. So, I dunno, I'm stuck with it for the moment.
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Its not a slow phone i think your device still have a problem.
Send it back again and demand a new device tell them this is a clearly DOE/RMA Case
they have to give you a new Device.
Cheers
Tarik

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But it's not a massive improvement over the original Orbit. The Touch interface is loads better though, I'd miss that if I went back to the Orbit.
A proper VGA screen in it would be great though, since it would make it a lot more possible/easier to use to read PDF novels etc. Currently you can't have the entire page of a book full screen and the text still be readable. A higher DPI would sort that out.
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I really don't have any problems reading books/novels... GowerPoint uBook does the job... well it can't read PDF files but it can read RTF files, so the text formatting can be preserved, also it has lots of features...

10 Min For Cube To Load
It took 10 mins for the cube to open. During that time, it locked my PDA. I've been disappointed in this and all the bugs with the Word Completion and returned it as a manufacturer defect.
In all the years prior to now, I cannot believe the processors currently out there have not advanced in speed.

TouchFlo Crashing

Hi
Only had my Orbit 2 for a few days and already there are quite a few problems with it...most of which got resolved so not too bothered there
However there is one problem that I cant fix. Sometimes when I bring up the TouchFLO it will crash on the screen with the radio, copilot, alarm, etc. The text under the icons does not load and the only way to get out of it is by pressing the end call key.
Soft reset doesnt solve the problem, it did once but only temporarily.
Hard reset has solved it (don't know if the problem will come again), wouldn't mind too much about that except I did a hard reset about 2 days ago for another reason so it is clear the device is just screwing up somehow. I barely installed much software on it.
So i've only hard resetted once to see if I can solve the problem and so far its worked. Hope its not temporary.
If anyone could help me I'd be grateful
(P.S. The button with the end call key and 'OK' is a bit loose, I can jiggle it about slightly left and right...)
Never had this many problems with my Artemis and for a device worth over £300 (over $600) I really think this is unacceptable. First the drivers, and now small problems which screw up the device totally. HTC are messing up big time and I think with all their negative feedback O2 might just cut down on buying their products.

The only time I've ever had Touch Flo, well, the Touch Cube crash was due to my installing City Time Alarms. After uninstalling, everything went back to normal. Maybe a specific app was causing your woes?

I installed an old version of SKTools and did a registry cleanup, maybe that had something to do with it... It did delete a whole lot of stuff..
I remember the problem only occured after I installed SKtools. I did do a hard reset earlier today and that was because the device became slow.. but nothing to do with TouchFlo.
Anyway I have hard reset the device now so I should not be getting any more problems from it..
But I am getting worried about the deivce though, there are so many bugs with it! Like today when the alarm went off to wake me up, the GPRS was turned on for about 56 minutes and I was definately asleep so I couldn't have turned it on!
I am scared to install a program on it incase that likes to mess up my device!
Also, is it normal for the right buttons (end call/OK) to be a BIT wonky? Like you can move it a bit from left to right? They work perfectly fine and I doubt they will suddenly detach or something! If you shake the device you CANNOT hear the slighlty wonky keys or anything, but just got a bit worried cos the other keys opposite it (pickup/windows) is not wonky at all...
This device is not worth £300
At most I would say it is worth £250
It is just so full of bugs and I have never had these kinds of problems with the other 4 PDAs that I have owned in the past. The more higher tech you go, the more unreliable the device becomes. My XDA II which I owned about 2 years ago was the most reliable I've ever had. HTC are really screwing it up and I think they are more interested in their money than their customers. I hope they screw up big time and I mean big time. If it wasn't for XDA-Developers they would have been out of business a long, looong time ago.

With regards to HTC, they didn't screw up. Sounds to me, just like anything you buy, you got a lemon. I would exchange it for another unit, not only for the system instability but also the "defective" (loose) button.

I bought the item off eBay so I cannot return it
The button is fine though, its nothing major it only moves ever so slightly and I dont think theres any problem with it. It works perfectly fine, I shouldn't really have mentioned it in the first place!
The system instability is normal though I am sure, look at what other problems people are having with their devices that get resolved every day.
O2/HTC doesnt expect lots of users to install custom ROMS (well I haven't) or edit the registry so the devices will be more user friendly and if you play about with that it can screw up.
I thought the device is kinda bad but I guess i'm happy with it, If I just use it normally and stop trying new things out on it and stop using programs like SK tools (lol) then I'll be fine. And if I have any small problems I am sure they can get resolved on here.
Anyways I am only 15 so I am going to be happy with what i've got lol!

prank1 said:
Hi
Only had my Orbit 2 for a few days and already there are quite a few problems with it...most of which got resolved so not too bothered there
However there is one problem that I cant fix. Sometimes when I bring up the TouchFLO it will crash on the screen with the radio, copilot, alarm, etc. The text under the icons does not load and the only way to get out of it is by pressing the end call key.
Soft reset doesnt solve the problem, it did once but only temporarily.
Hard reset has solved it (don't know if the problem will come again), wouldn't mind too much about that except I did a hard reset about 2 days ago for another reason so it is clear the device is just screwing up somehow. I barely installed much software on it.
So i've only hard resetted once to see if I can solve the problem and so far its worked. Hope its not temporary.
If anyone could help me I'd be grateful
(P.S. The button with the end call key and 'OK' is a bit loose, I can jiggle it about slightly left and right...)
Never had this many problems with my Artemis and for a device worth over £300 (over $600) I really think this is unacceptable. First the drivers, and now small problems which screw up the device totally. HTC are messing up big time and I think with all their negative feedback O2 might just cut down on buying their products.
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I had the same problem. You actually have to let it sit for about 10 mins and it will load. If you close it, it might freeze for another 10 mins. After some time, the problem went away for reasons I cannot explain. Then, every time I select a button on the cube, the cube closes and I have to reopen it every time I want to use it.
Also, the bugs related with the "Word Completion" option, which does not function correctly, gave me a miserable experience with writing and typing. It slowed my writing and typing because I constantly have to correct bad guesses. I cannot turn it off either because the "Word Completion" option does not work. Sure I could go into the registry and mitigate the problem, but I returned it as a manufacturer defect.
I assume it will go back to HTC and I hope it will result in a response to fix the problems. For >$800 after tax, I would expect the purchase to function correctly.

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Yes the word completion is annoying, I can't turn it off either. It is annoying when you write smaller words such as 'sed' as opposed to 'said', the word completion decides to change it.. It is really annoying especially when you have to type on the move. Not to mention it uses up a whole lot of characters when you try to said a text message. It is much easier and quicker to write 'thru', it uses only 4 characters whereas the proper spelling of the word 'through' uses up 7 - nearly double. With a limit of 160 characters per message you will find that you will quickly reach that limit. I have quite a lot of free texts so I do not mind much but I hate it when it puts the incorrect word in the place!
Also with your TouchFLO problem, did you try hard resetting the device? I found that if you play about with the registry the phone quickly messes up. That is understandable but harmless registry modifications such as the 'ShowSIM' can even screw up your phone!
If a problem appears on my device can I give it to O2 to repair for a fee -- I do not have a warentee so if they agree to fix it for a fee only then that seems fair.

prank1 said:
I installed an old version of SKTools and did a registry cleanup, maybe that had something to do with it... It did delete a whole lot of stuff..
I remember the problem only occured after I installed SKtools.
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prank1 said:
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I found that if you play about with the registry the phone quickly messes up. That is understandable but harmless registry modifications such as the 'ShowSIM' can even screw up your phone!
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Maybe its just me, but while programs like sktools can simplify your life, I really hate the idea of a non-device specific program tweaking my registry. I like to do it myself so that I know exactly what goes in, and I can assess exactly what comes out. FYI: I've never had a crash due to registry mods (but in my early days (pre-Touch Cruise) of installing random cabs and fixes I did get crashes).

prank1 said:
...Also with your TouchFLO problem, did you try hard resetting the device?
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Just soft resets. I didn't want to wait 10+ hours to resync my emails, contacts, etc after a hard reset.

Touch screen problems with the Fuze

As of late, my new Fuze (the 3rd one, I exchanged the other ones out because they got kinda scratched up) has been showing poor performance. And then today, the touch screen just stopped working. It still registers the touch, but it's like no matter where I touch it can only go to one of the two soft keys. Has anyone else been having this problem?
I'm going in to switch it out again, but I'm really not sure if I want to keep using the Fuze...overall, it's slow, buggy, and the GPS is trash. I love the phone, but it's just not working.

Are you using the stock ROM or did you use one of the cooked ROMs? I have a Fuze (upgraded from a Tilt) and everything works fine on mine. I read that a lot of people are having issues with the GPS. I did initially --- I could not get any GPS connectivity. I ran HTP GPS Tool and everything worked fine after that. Even after I flash another ROM it works fine. I use TomTom and GoogleMaps regularly and even GoogleMaps can get a GPS lock within 1 minute.
You may want to check the settings for the TouchFlo. Download DiamondTweak and Advanced Config 3.3. They have settings to improve the sensitivity of the touch screen... maybe you need this or at least give it a try.
As for slow, I think this has to do more with the ROM. Since I got my Fuze, the first thing I did was flash one of the cooked ROMs (of course, after HardSPL ).
Good luck.

I'm using the stock ROM, I'm kind of scared to flash a new one. I did all the performance tweaks and it made a pretty big difference, but it's still kind of slow. I can live with it though. The GPS works occasionally, but it isn't nearly as strong as other phones I've used/seen. And the touchscreen problem has nothing to do with the sensitivity, I'm fairly positive it's broken. Like, when I touch somewhere on the screen, it registers the touch as far to the left as possible (ie. I'm trying to close a program or open the task manager and it registers the touch as pressing the Start button). It may have something to do with the fact that I cleaned the screen with a monitor wipe, although I would assume that that shouldn't affect anything. It's just such a coincidence though; I literally used the monitor wipe like 2-3 minutes before it broke or screwed up or whatever. And it's not a software issue. I hard-reset it and it took a good 20 minutes to get past the screen alignment (I think it just gave up on me and went to the next screen). I'm just going to exchange it out for a new one I guess, although I'd really prefer an Xperia X1 at this point (or any point I guess...I just don't want to spend 700 dollars on it)

allhalf425 said:
As of late, my new Fuze (the 3rd one, I exchanged the other ones out because they got kinda scratched up) has been showing poor performance. And then today, the touch screen just stopped working. It still registers the touch, but it's like no matter where I touch it can only go to one of the two soft keys. Has anyone else been having this problem?
I'm going in to switch it out again, but I'm really not sure if I want to keep using the Fuze...overall, it's slow, buggy, and the GPS is trash. I love the phone, but it's just not working.
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Dude, I hear ya..... I'm getting the same issue, it registers touch etc, you press your home key it vibrates you softrest with button on back and it starts up and I know its booted WM as I can hear the windows startup sound, It's not the first time this has happened to me, one other time after flashing a cooked rom, It did the same thing then I managed to blindly navigate the device into the bootloader then reflash the device, the screen suddenly decided to come back on at the "tap to setup device" stage, you know with the screen alignment...., then I did like 2 hard resets, cause at the time I thought that this was something to do with it, then everything has been working good as gold up untill last night when I flashed the cooks latest version, it worked for a lil bit but in my messing around with the device, the screen switched off then stayed off, I've been trying the same process that I tryed before, but it's not working, maybe I should of did the 2 hard resets straight away rather then fart arsing around loading cabs etc...?, not sure, as I'm at a loss with this one... maybe it was just on it's way out, upto HTC heaven and there's nothing I can do about it ?, God, I hope not !!, MY next thing I'm going to try is load a stock HTC ROM onto the storage card, and maybe that will work...hmmm??, anyway...do you know anymore or are you at a loss as well ?... Oh BTW, I'm using a Touch HD, with a manilla 2.5, 6.5 ROM, from one of the popular chefs, (I'm not gonna publish the chefs name) as I think it's not really his fault....everyone else seems to be OK, so must be something else, I've wondered sometimes about the amount of writes available on some types of memorys having something to do with it, but it can't be that..?, something with the screen, I've noticed it happens when the battery is running real hot as well !!, anyway if ya find out something, I'm keen to hear as well, as no one seems to be answering my post about it.....