I just got an idea for a petition for Imate. I hope they are not as deaf and arrogant as HP did for no upgrade Windows Mobile 2003 SE for the HP2210.
What my idea accounts for is that, we petition Imate for a Magneto upgrade for our Jam in exchange for us even purchasing a new PDA2K or say some newer product of HTC like the Universal Model perhaps but they would be obligated to provide the upgrade CD for the Jam and that newer model be it Universal or any other newer model.
What say you, if there's any takers could you kick this off.
I Do Agree
Persnally I do Agree with this Idea
I'm not spending £400+ on a new device just to get wm5 for my jam!I would petition for it outright as they should really supply this anyway and therefore it would be good cs and help keep all their existing customers onboard,therefore sticking with them and by the time upgrades come there customers will remain loyal!
I don't see how us agreeing to buy a newer model of HTC would convince HTC to supply an upgrade for the Magician. Your logic seems fundamentally flawed.
If you're that willing to buy a new HTC, why do you want an upgrade for the Magician? Madness.
:idea: I agreed with the petition but that of me paying for the wm2005 s/w upgrade rather than buying a new HTC device.
Imate Jam
Fundamentally Imate or any other 3rd Party brand are not liable to supply Magneto because it's NOT THEIR STRATEGY.
This idea petition is something out of the blue to encourage them to budge and give us the Magneto, I'm willing to buy another HTC with Magneto but I would also keep my Magician and would be happier if it's also Magneto.
Now if you feel that HTC or Imate or Qtek really has an obligation to upgrade your units to Magneto without any compensation to them or merely selling the upgrade would just be PIRATED outright then your fundamentals are really FLAWED or your just DON'T HAVE ANY BUSINESS SENSE AT ALL :x
E-TEN Information Systems today officially announced the Windows Mobile 5.0 upgrade program for its current E-TEN brand M500 Pocket PC Phone Edition.
And you have got to admit that both device bare many simularities. So what im wondering is if we can get a hold of thier rom and mod it, or even place some
preasure on I-mate / HTC to give us a little x-mas present early for being such good custome and devoted Imate jammers. I think this path of getting WM5
is a little more feasable than waiting for some of the other solution posted on this forum.
Donno what do you guys think?
No, for a number of reasons.
1. The hardware is different between the E-TEN M500 and the HTC Magician. From processor to memory configuration to video display to camera, there's just too many variables that would make it futile compared to attempting to make a build from another HTC device, if that is even feasible.
2. The WM5 upgrade for the E-TEN M500 will be available no earlier than December 2005. I am hoping that someone would have provided a hacked WM5 build for the Magician before then.
I think the second solution is first to try. Please give us the link of the source of ur news, and should one of our members who speak english natively start to suggest a letter pushing of CDL (carrer devices company, the owner of imate) to develop a new wm2005 rom for JAM. After getting the email of CDL CEO (I think it is easy and avaialible somewre in the forum) we start all to send that letter. I think CDL should respons, or all of us will forward to Eten company as it respects its customers rather than CDL.
The site where the new was found is:
http://www.etencorp.com/presscenter/press.php?pid=45&tid=0
whats getting to me is that Eten , a crappy novalty Pocket Pc company has an update compiled form Microsoft, why cant Imate get them to do us one. This is the 3rd time this has happen to me, I mean when I got my first pocket pc (F-S Pocket Loox 600) the support team alienated its customers and lost many of us even though it later PPC releases were of better quality. HP has done this too with the 19xx series and 63xx series. But from what iI heard Imate had regular updates and free firmware. Looks like they going to follow the same path.
I think all of the distributors of this device, CDL, QTek, Orange, T-Mobile et-al should be pressed for a WM5 upgrade for the magician. Also we should press HTC who actually manufacture it.
That way the distributors and mobile operators might apply thier own pressure to HTC as well as ours. If HTC are being pressed from both sides then maybe they will do something.
In the meantime we await buzz's unofficial version.
Theres a way of starting an online petition we did it to Fujitsi-siemens for the loox and suprisingly it work. Took some time but they went back on there word. But we need on of Admins here in forum who have a little more pulling power than me. I have been read about Buzz's cracked version but i havent put too much faith in it, I guess just preparing for the worst I guess. Any one want to take the responsiblity for it???
Best way is to vote with your wallets and dont buy HTC products and switch to Eten. That is the only language corporations understand, money. If they see their customer base switching they will MAYBE think twice.
Why don't we just start to hit their boards to release the magneto for us at [email protected] ? Or else someone has a better way to contact a CEO :lol:
Blueangels, Magicians, Alpine can handle the magneto and even the Himalayas, any suggestions are welcomed..
Damn, ETEN is a crapy ppc and they are releasing the Magneto!!
efjay said:
Best way is to vote with your wallets and dont buy HTC products and switch to Eten. That is the only language corporations understand, money. If they see their customer base switching they will MAYBE think twice.
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the folowing is my history:
Wallabay------> Qtek for one year
Himalaya------> imate (2 different devices as one was stolen) for more than 2 years
Magician-------> Imate Jam Currently for around 6 months
Eten-----------> near future after throwing away CDL products for ever.
I usually don't respect any one does not respect me. CDL is not respecting us, while eten respecting their cutomers, so i think i should switch to eten. From the commercial point of view, i think that it is more benifitial to CDL to release a wm2005 for their old products (not ancient one like wallabay or himallaya) as they will gain the following:
1- they will be respectable from us as this will raise their cutomer support score very much, and will attract new customers as it will be known that the post sale support of CDL is perfect.
2- Their new devices such as JasJar is going will by self pushing power as a new product and will attract the valuable richer customers even old devices such as JAM supports wm2005 or not. In the same time the JAm which is still present in stock with a huge quantitiy start losing attractiveness and its sale curve will decline so much. While there is a large slice of cutomers who cannot afford for JasJar but can afford for JAM but only if supports wm2005 and will go to nokia or sony erricson instead of JasJar, so why not to attract them to Jam by adding wm2005 to it.
3- I am sure that the profit from selling JasJar may be less than Jam as the technology of jasjar is more advanced, so if CDL sells 100 piece of jasjar it will gain for wxample a 10% profit, while if sells 100 piece of Jam it may be 15% profit, especially if we consider that the stock of jam is dead and it is a potential loss and will go to rubbish. So adding wm2005 to jam will revive it and not affecting the sales of jasjar in the same time as it is a new coming product and has its attractiveness.
Finally i hope that CDL, or all HTC affiliated companies rethink regarding this issue and try to continue competeing in this market that of course the winner is the one who respects his customers.
The rumoured xda atom lookslike the magician with WM 2005. Maybe once this device is widely available, someone can hack the ROM.
Greets.
I'm sorry that I'm not with you when you try to boycott HTC.
Eten sold his M500 with the wm5 upgrade clearly advertised. It was a sell point, so, they sold more M500 because ppl were expecting WM5.
HTC did not advertise any of his S1X0 with wm5. If they were to give away wm5, they would advertise at least S110 to be wm5 ready, and it would be a sell point too. They would win money because of the addded value of wm5.
None of us were ripped-off, and, as they keep supporting in a good way our magicians, they are doing their work. They care for us, as they give us rom updates. Not giving us something that is not free, does not turn them bad, or does not mean they don't care about us (well, of course no corp cares for ppl, they care for income! eten does too). Remember, if they give you WM5 for free, they need to support it, and develop some specific things for it. And ppl will keep magician for a longer time, and will not buy theyre new products like the 9100 and so on.
They will in fact loose money. Do you loose money when you work? I surelly don't.
One possible pressure is for us to call our network operators, and start complaining with them. And better, if companys start blaming for not having WM5 for a so much hyped (by operators) product.
Operators themselves are incredibly more powerfull that any of our petition, IMO.
Even that way, I really doubt that we will see WM5 for S100 (it is my opinion, not a rant). Maybe for christmas, with santa giving it to us.
I am looking forward for the new Mitac Mio with gps and wm5. Now thats what I call a all-in-one
I'm waiting for the Mio as well. My only reason for trading the Magician is .... WM5!!
And guess what, my next device after the Mitac Mio would probably be .... another Mitac!!
So yes, HTC will probably lose money in the near future. Keeping your existing customers happy is much easier than getting new ones!
On the other hand, if a WM5 ROM (hacked or not) becomes available before the Mitac launch, I'll stick to the Magician (my preferred option).
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Eten sold his M500 with the wm5 upgrade clearly advertised. It was a sell point, so, they sold more M500 because ppl were expecting WM5.
HTC did not advertise any of his S1X0 with wm5. If they were to give away wm5, they would advertise at least S110 to be wm5 ready, and it would be a sell point too. They would win money because of the addded value of wm5.
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Great point I agree but Imaging how much more love we would have for our babies is the have a face lift. I mean think of sending you girlfriend to get a new set of boobs. You would play with then all day!!
Anyway lets hope they give us the option if its possible, instead of only making it available as a selling point for there next device which is more probable. Even if we have to pay and ammount say $40 for the upgrade it would be great!!
Cheers all
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I'm waiting for the Mio as well. My only reason for trading the Magician is .... WM5!!
And guess what, my next device after the Mitac Mio would probably be .... another Mitac!!
So yes, HTC will probably lose money in the near future. Keeping your existing customers happy is much easier than getting new ones!
On the other hand, if a WM5 ROM (hacked or not) becomes available before the Mitac launch, I'll stick to the Magician (my preferred option).
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Just to consider from the money point of view, in either way, you stay with Magician or purchase a new Mio, HTC is not going to make new profit. Then the question arises: why do they need to endeavor to make you stay with Magician?
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Just to consider from the money point of view, in either way, you stay with Magician or purchase a new Mio, HTC is not going to make new profit. Then the question arises: why do they need to endeavor to make you stay with Magician?
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No Zenkle, i am not agree with u, if i bought MIO, so, i will try a new handset and a new company with a new style and post sale support, so may i found them better and will stick to them and don't use HTC anymore. But if i have an upgraded magician the next step will be JasJar or whatever HTC. Second, if i bought a MIO now, so i will upgrade after 1-3 years from now as i will have a brand new device, but if I ve an upgraded magician , i will upgrade for JasJar after 6 months to 1 year at max.
That's exactly the point. Keeping your customers loyal to the brand is all part of the business.
In addition to this, HTC or the carriers of this brand, will soon get the reputation of not releasing OS upgrades, while others (Samsung, ETEN, etc.) may be getting a more favourable reputation of releasing OS upgrades for their devices. This would sure help the latter increase their sales.
Trust me, if they do not give us WM5.0 is that because they would, in the end, loose money with it.
I bet they have ppl doing all the calculations for them.
Trust me, no calculations were required. They simply said, "we'll make them buy something new" and that was that.
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Trust me, no calculations were required. They simply said, "we'll make them buy something new" and that was that.
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And why not say that. Sure, people on this forum may not go back to HTC devices, but there's millions of others that will due to I-mate, O2, Orange and all the others selling these devices. And the profits made from these devices far outweigh the measly profits made from releasing a WM5 rom for the Magician.
My opinion, I want WM5 to play with, and I have no doubt it will eventually come out once someone gets their hands on a decent version (I'm not bringing up the whole other thread to do with buzz and raptorz). But, by the time I feel it's absolutely necessary to upgrade, not just because I want to, there will be some really beefy PDA phones available and my Jam will be obsolete anyway. Hence, a new phone. Maybe an HTC, may not be. Whatever's best for me at the time. And when I do get WM5, I wouldn't mind having official upgrades and support available for it.
Just my 2 cents worth. :lol:
So companies like HP, ETEN, Samsung and others did not do their calculations? Or they don't have new products in the pipeline? All of these companies are releasing an upgrade, and I'm sure they're thinking "customer service" and "returned customers".
Immediate profit vs long term investment in the brand ... look at o2, they're releasing the ATOM, a COPY of the HTC Magician with WM5 in December, I bet HTC will be losing on sales when this comes out. Had the Magician had a WM5 upgrade and being slightly cheaper than the Atom, the Magician would have a longer shelve life thus paying more for its R&D, etc.
Check this:
http://www.imatephonestore.com/product.asp?itemMDL=IMATE_JASJAR&ref=adwords#review
already a post regarding this....
So are the new ROMs peing posted at the moment based on this or still being derived from other sources ?
Looks like there is plenty of life left in the phone yet. Though I'm starting to lean towards getting myself a Nokia E90. Does not have the enthusiastic Dev base that WM has though...
Zuber
Windows Mobile 6 Professional for I-mate Jasjar or Qtek 9000
I called sales for On The Go Solutions, Inc., www.onthegosolutions.com website, Ph. # 1-866-746-4684 out of Skokie, IL and the sales person told me that H.T.C out of Taiwan released the "Windows Mobile 6 Professional" for the I-mate Jasjar & Qtek 9000 1 month ago. If somebody out there could get this download that would be greatly appreciated and share this with us. Or if someone is interested in purchasing either device the onthegosolutions technical support upgrades this device for you with Windows Mobile 6.0 Professional and they will also give you the download link which you can pass onto all the xda-developers members.
I just checked the club imate download web site, and they post the old Windows Mobile 5 AKU 2 for i-mate Jasjar.
Wow.. I'm wondering which web site we can download the official WM6 ROM for i-mate Jasjar.
There is indeed not a download link, I just send a e-mail I-mate, to verify this information, I'll hope I get a response soon, because I'm sure to use my device even longer.
I reveived the basic mail back with a automized awnser,
"With regards to your query please note, that i-mate is progressing plans to make WM 6.0 upgrade available on as many of its devices as possible. We are investigating the possibilities with our product suppliers and Microsoft at this time, and we will be in a position to clarify the situation by the end of this month. Please bear with us while we investigate what is possible and keep a close eye on the www.clubimate.com website for further news and updates."
So it is the basic delay to do it on the "next" monday and the same awnser I have been reading troughout different forums and topics
Wrong..Absolutely wrong........
I just had a chat with clubimate representative..which is as follows...
You're now talking to Chloe from 'Device Support' The topic is : Not Provided
Chloe> Welcome to club i-mate support. My name is Chloe, how can I help you?
Guest> Hi Chloe how are you...
Guest> Sorry for bothering you
Chloe> How may I help you
Guest> Actually had a question in my mind and just wanted to clear it from you...
Guest> Did I-mate have released Jasjar with windows mobile 6.0
Chloe> No update as yet.
Chloe> Just keep posted on the website.
Guest> I heard from somone that I-mate have released a newer version of jasjar with windows mobile 6.0
Chloe> It is not true.
Chloe> We have not advised yet regarding that.
Guest> can you just go through this website..why peoples are creating rumours...
Guest> http://www.imatephonestore.com/product.asp?itemMDL=IMATE_JASJAR&ref=adwords
Guest> on this website its clearly mentioned jasjar with wm6
Chloe> Forums are not a valid basis.
Chloe> It may contains personal opinions.
Guest> its not a forum...its a imate store site
Chloe> In order for you not to be confused, just go to our official wesbite which is www.clubimate.com
Chloe> There we'll post our latest news and updates on our products and its services.
Guest> so this means this information is incorrect..Right...
Guest> anyways...thanks alot for your time..I just wanted to confirm only..Thanks once again
Chloe> You're welcome!
Let me have your opinions...
Thanks,
Abid
I did almost the same as you did, only by e-mail, refering to the shop and explicid telling it was regarding an I-mate device retailer, and this was the respons the give by mail, if you are interisted I can publish the entire respons.
Park said:
I called sales for On The Go Solutions, Inc., www.onthegosolutions.com website, Ph. # 1-866-746-4684 out of Skokie, IL and the sales person told me that H.T.C out of Taiwan released the "Windows Mobile 6 Professional" for the I-mate Jasjar & Qtek 9000 1 month ago. If somebody out there could get this download that would be greatly appreciated and share this with us. Or if someone is interested in purchasing either device the onthegosolutions technical support upgrades this device for you with Windows Mobile 6.0 Professional and they will also give you the download link which you can pass onto all the xda-developers members.
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I wonder how true this report is...???
Can you imagine if someone actually buys a Universal from them and they end up sending a link to one of the customized ROMs from XDA Developers site?
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Update regarding the Windows Mobile 6 for the I-mate Jasjar & Qtek 9000. I called and spoke with Dovid from technical support at the On The Go Solutions Store and he informed me that the "Windows Mobile 6 is from Jwrightmcps cooked rom" which is not the official rom released from H.T.C from Tawian. According to the polls comparing to the other cooked roms Jason's rom is the top rom at this time. So this is where the www.onthegosolutions or www.imatephonestore is getting their rom from Jason out of Chicago, IL. and advertising this on their website.
Park said:
Update regarding the Windows Mobile 6 for the I-mate Jasjar & Qtek 9000. I called and spoke with Dovid from technical support at the On The Go Solutions Store and he informed me that the "Windows Mobile 6 is from Jwrightmcps cooked rom" which is not the official rom released from H.T.C from Tawian. According to the polls comparing to the other cooked roms Jason's rom is the top rom at this time. So this is where the www.onthegosolutions or www.imatephonestore is getting their rom from Jason out of Chicago, IL. and advertising this on their website.
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Woww !! Does this mean that Jason earns all the credtis & $$$ he really deserves ??.........Does he know about this trick ??......to say the least, this is decieving !.....
Park said:
Update regarding the Windows Mobile 6 for the I-mate Jasjar & Qtek 9000. I called and spoke with Dovid from technical support at the On The Go Solutions Store and he informed me that the "Windows Mobile 6 is from Jwrightmcps cooked rom" which is not the official rom released from H.T.C from Tawian. According to the polls comparing to the other cooked roms Jason's rom is the top rom at this time. So this is where the www.onthegosolutions or www.imatephonestore is getting their rom from Jason out of Chicago, IL. and advertising this on their website.
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Just as I thought, A SCAM TO MAKE PEOPLE BUY THEIR PRODUCT.
I wonder if JWright know about this???
According to Dovid technical support person at the On The Go Solutions or I-matephone store Jason does know about this which when I spoke to Dovid technical support said that Jason is submitting his cooked rom to them which in my opinion is false advertising. When I first had called yesterday the lady I spoke to in sales first told me that the "Windows Mobile 6 Professional" for the I-mate Jasjar & Qtek 9000 was a release from H.T.C out of Taiwan which was a 1 month ago. Then when she called me later in the day on Friday she told me that this was incorrect information and switched me over to Dovid which I had questioned him that I was a xda-developers member and if this was possibly a cooked rom because there are 5 or 6 other xda-developer members cooking up cooked roms. This information as to my understanding is 100% correct information. I also called T-Mobile my service provider for my Qtek 9000 and told technical support that they need to contact H.T.C out of Taiwan once Windows Mobile 6 Professional is available for the Qtek 9000 and contact me once they have this. I also told T-Mobile technical support that if they receive enough calls from their customers requesting the "Windows Mobile 6 Professional' upgrade once available H.T.C will then request this for T-Mobile and not give this to any other person that has a Qtek 9000, I-mate Jasjar, etc or similar device branded by H.T.C
You're now talking to Vince from 'Device Support' The topic is : windows mobile 6
Vince> Welcome to club i-mate support. My name is Vince, how can I help you?
davicito> Hi!
Vince> hi
davicito> I have Imate jasjar I just want to know
davicito> How can I upgrade to win mobile 6?
davicito> I saw this: http://www.imatephonestore.com/product.asp?itemMDL=IMATE_JASJAR&ref=adwords#review
Vince> i-mate is progressing plans to make this available on as many of its devices as possible. We are investigating the possibilities with our product suppliers and Microsoft at this time, and we will try to clarify the situation as soon as possible. Please bear with us while we investigate what is possible and keep a close eye on the www.clubimate.com website for further news and updates.
davicito> haa greate!
davicito> thanks
davicito> I can't wait?
Vince> Most welcome. We appreciate if you can take 2 seconds to rate our service, at the top of this window. Thanks for chatting with us. Have a great day ahead.
davicito> ok bye bye
Vince> bye
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i-mate is progressing plans to make this available on as many of its devices as possible. We are investigating the possibilities with our product suppliers and Microsoft at this time, and we will try to clarify the situation as soon as possible. Please bear with us while we investigate what is possible and keep a close eye on the www.clubimate.com website for further news and updates.
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Oh no! not again
Are you kidding me I spent $1700 NZD on the IMATE Jas Jar ( I could have got a laptop) and there is doubt about an upgrade to WM6..
Are you serious....???$%#@?%?
Jas Jar have only been out for a short time surely the expected operational time span is longer than this ...
Digs said:
Are you kidding me I spent $1700 NZD on the IMATE Jas Jar ( I could have got a laptop) and there is doubt about an upgrade to WM6..
Are you serious....???$%#@?%?
Jas Jar have only been out for a short time surely the expected operational time span is longer than this ...
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I'm afraid not, its a phone. Usual lifespan of a phone is about a year to 18 months, the jasjar/mda-pro/universal has already lasted much longer than most.
A phone, how dear you sir... its a pocket PC, tell me which phone can do all the functionality of Jas jar.
Pocket Pc are a mini laptop.
This does not remove the responsibility of IMATE/HTC to put out a OS update for WM6.
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I'm afraid not, its a phone. Usual lifespan of a phone is about a year to 18 months, the jasjar/mda-pro/universal has already lasted much longer than most.
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I can't agree more!
We invest lots of money on a PDA an the brands don't want to support their customers after a single year.
Not all universal owners bought their PDA at it's lunching...
wm6 for universal
Hi
to all you people who doubt whether the wm6 is official or not:
1.wm6 is 'official'
2.you people are asking for software support from the vendors who are only capable of etching their logo on a finished product.
3.there are different ROM versions and all are cooked because no hardware vendors have officially launched it yet.
4.All you members are familiar with 'search engines',use one,find wm6,or go to microsoft.com and you will be enlightened.
5.I am using wm6 on my o2 exec with a 4 GB SD,everything is flawless and HTML mail support is just superb.
" NO REPEATEDLY BUSTED 4GB CARD( THRICE)SHOULDN'T HAVE SPKEN TOO EARLY."
So stop this demand to have an official ROM from o2 or i-mate, for nobody demanded a wm5 official rom for a wm2003 BA?
If I buy a WM5 phone, will it cost me moeny to upgrade it to WM6 or does the manufacturer give you a free license?
recall hp changing for upgrades once not sure if they still do
but few companys really bother with upgrades
so they dont charge for them but also dont hand them out
many a device is left behind enemy lines so to speak
So what do i have to do to get a HTC phone upgraded? how about eten?
htc have wm6 roms for some of their models which came with wm5 for download on their site
about eten i have no idea maybe for download on their site too
would seem the nautral way to make newer rom versions available for users
I don't have the links but I remember Eten announcing free upgrades for the Glowfish series but they will only be available in a couple of month.
HP decided not to upgrade any of its devices, though from what I heard MS is not charging OEMs extra licensing fees to upgrade to WM 6 so we should get the upgrades free as well.
This is not the case with WM 2003 to WM 5 upgrades where MS charged OEMs and they in tern (at leased Dell and HP) passed the 40$ per CD to us.