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Alright I've been reading and watching and asking for months now and if you've been reading anything i've posted you'll now realize that i'm a brave, dumb SOB!
So here goes:deep breath::, dont worry used listerine)
I would like to build my own ROM off of the Touch design and need some help. I've searched for the kitchen but only found(and downloaded) Faria's kitchen.
So anyone out there, i am looking for:
(1) A kitchen (preferabley one not too advanced for a noob but set so i'll learn from it)
(2) a rom dump containing the Touch basics for wizard
(3) and this might be the life saver... a tutorial. however limited or vague, just enough to get me pointed in the direction to a working rom.
(4) then finally input and comments(both helpful and hurting accepted) cause i'm not too proud to be told when i might be doing ReTaRdeD things.
I know I may bee passign my place in atemping this but that never stopped any of you.
ok got started on the research. got an ap called "htcrt" HTC rom tool... but it doesn't have the Wizard listed as a device. So is this what i need and if so wat do i use for the wizard similie?
you can use htc rom tool if you want. Im writing up a list of tools you might like to use. Give me a few mins then check your pm.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=309549&highlight=core+kitchen
This is the Core Pro kitchen - best I;ve ever used - it takes any ROM so you don't have to worry about whether or no the base ROM you want comes in packages!
Many Thanks
Thanks to noeonkoala and peter for the info and resources.
i came on to present bad news firstly. i dunno how, but i think i bricked one of my smartphones(a audiovox 5600/tornado). I was trying the HTC rom tool on it seeing i couldn't find the setup for wizard(not listed in the drop down). the initial load F'ed up somehow. i didn't get it i did everything like the walkthroughs said as far as unlocking but when i started loading a rom i messed up. THAT'S when i realized my dumbass was trying to load a wizard rom on a tornado so now it wont do anything but stare at me with the blacked out screen. any help on that one(point me to the nearest fix 'em up thread) would be appreciated.
now for better news....
Upon frying my tornado, decided to just do some theory/reasearch and deveolpment work. now before i start hack 'n' slashin at my wizard i need a few moments with it... that is to say i would like to know where to gat:
(1) a "working" Bluetooth FTP cab for wizard
(2) the "esmertec java" cab.
I just moded up to Jaguar's 3.1 cingular a couple days ago and it's beautiful.
!!!BIG props to nottoosmart on the ROM!!!
The java controller is amazing. It even runs alot of my sony ericsson w810's java games(yes before this i was using sony ericsson) in full screen. so i would love to be able to put that in my ROM( as long as it doesn't offend anyone)
using Core Kitchen...
Ok, ok, ok...
Neon, I must say that this setup you have is beautiful. i followed the tutorial and it was awesome. one problem though it gave me an error at the end when i went to move the nbf to the ruu folder so i haven't flashed( kinda scared after i trashed my tornado http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324099 ). But otherwise it ran as far as i can tell smoothly. Now here is my questions....
(1) Could the fact i named it "MiaMediaOS.nbf" instead of the regular "nk.nbf" be why i got the error and if so do i need to redo the process?
(2) after completing the whole process i realized that i didn't edit anything so where do i start to do so.
If you're worried i'm gonna mess up that's cool, but i'm kinda backwards that way in that i learn by doing the part i want first then encorperating it into what i need to do.
The nbf only needs to be name nk.nbf when you go to flash it with the RUU. If the error you got was when you were turning the packages into an .nb file then it could be you overfilled the ROM.
Oooooooohhhhhh.... You can do that?
zeen,
i gotcha. Idoubt i did that but it's nice to know it's possible. Ok lemmie tell you why i decided to make this move even though so many talented people put all this stuff on here for me to enjoy.
I started out with Faria's real ROM (great improvement to my Factory 8125 ROM)...
Then i Loaded Loaded DoudleFour's ROM ( no offence but either i didn't like it or it did'nt like me), followed shortly By the Titanium ROM WM6Ti2 (beautiful ROM just too slow for me)...
I went with NBD's 8.3 and it was another fine achievement but then realized that the Jaguar was "lighter" henceforth faster (correct right? ) so that's where I'm at now. All that blabber to say this, I wanna make a WM6 ROM with the Following:
-Office 2007
-WM5torage
-Total Commander
-BT_FTP
-HTC X-Button 1.51
-8 buttons command manager
(flighttmode,BTH,IR,Sound,Phone,WIFI,ActiveSYNC,
and if possible put the BTH FTP in as well)
-Adobe Reader LE
-A2DP Profile
-FWUPDATE
-HTC Home (i was hoping that with it already installed it run quicker)
-Windows Media Player
-MS VoiceCommand 1.6
-Camera 3.0
-SqlCeMobile
-VoIP
-Windows Live
-HTC Jeodek Java/Esmertec Java ( think there the same,not sure)
**TWEAKS**
-Lunar Calendar
-Time Sync Tab
-Date - Single Line
-Enable 802.11g
-Error Reporting Disabled
-Security Warning Disabled
-Cleartype in Landscape
-Ring Volume Increase
-Enabled Clock on all applications
-Make WM6 ask where to install application
-Prompt before over writing installation
-Enabled SD BatteryFix
-Show "Busy" Status in Calendar view
-Show calendar event text in "Week View"
-Enabled Edge Icon
-Enabled Caps notifier
-Show tomorrow's appointments on Today Screen
-Transcriber
...Basically a simple system that will look beautiful, run smooth and provide the essentials... a moded out Jaguar if you will . Notice i didn't list the default games... i never use 'em, most people don't. I been doing some looking into it and the Java App in the list runs alot of the Java programs and games from alot of different phones. right now I'm using MSDict Dictionary(java), Dr.Sudoku(java), Tetris(java), Worms Forts(java) and a few back of the woods type stuff from sony ericsson's java development forums.
One option you may want to look at is to go find a custom rom that is already built and has everything (or most everything) that you want in your rom (or go find a good base Vanilla rom and start from there). You can then pull that rom apart (if you are using Core Kitchen or newer HyperCore Kitchen, the tools are all there under Extract) and get the OEM, SYS, and ROM folder. Then you can move that to your kitchen area and push and poke, add and remove to your hearts content to create your own personal spiced dish. To be honest (IMO) a lot of the newer roms around here pretty much are nothing but doing just that. Very few of the roms change much in the way of how things actually work, registry settings, etc, but are just reheated versions of other roms.
So with that said, if you do create a new rom, and decide to release it, make sure you give proper credit where the credit is due...
BTW: Be aware though that the latest Faria rom (based on 318) and the NBD series are not as easy to pull apart. Faria lumps everything in one directory (as I recall), and Zoki removes the .rgu files from his rom (or he used to). So with those, you will have to do work to use them as a base.
Oh, one other comment... You could also just grab the consolidated kitchen and work from there. It has packages for about everything you listed already. If you can't find the Esmertec Java Manager package, let me know as I have one.
good.
Thanx.
I took this afternoon to just rowse around the kitchen and make myself familiar to the setup, cause even if i don't go full blast on my first ROM i intend to build the B___H. i did realize there are alot of the program folders in the kitchen that i need and that somehow(not sure, just theory work) i can actually pull out the remaining neccessities from Jaguar 3.1. And trust Credit goes out to you guys everyday... dealing with a problem at work is one thing but the way you guys have fun cooking roms and listening to gripers off the clock!!! my hat's off to you fellas (no but kiss intended).
And yeah if you would be so kind i would love the java program link.
Oh, To Be Young And Dumb Again... being naive is sooooo over rated
Wolfdragon said:
And yeah if you would be so kind i would love the java program link.
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Its attached. Enjoy...
hope nobody was expecting a fresh one...
ok,ok,ok...
let's just say i got bored. i tried and tried to figure out a way to create my own rom from scratch, but to no avail.
Sooooo instead i decided to let it sit for now and just get the rom i wanted built using the gifts here. So what did i do? simple first lemmie say Mattk_R fine job on the kitchen and rom sets couldn't have done it without ya .
So obviously based on that you know now i used the "Consolidated Kitchen". It is extremly user friendly and if you know your basics ( Many thanks to Peter Petrelli,Faria and entry level teachings from Mfrazzz & NeonKoala ) the kitchen is a breeze.
Now pay attention noobies!!! (mocking my own ignorance )
If you want a good ROM with very little done to it there are toms including some stock roms stripped to the bone. However if you need a really good "vanilla" ROM, here are a few threads to check out:
Consolidated Kitchen Central - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=311144. To me the best vanilla with kitchen i've ever seen.
FINAL ROM WITH Pro Rom Kitchen - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=303406
HyperCore Kitchen - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=309549. Be careful with this one 'cause if you don't follow to the L E T T E R you might get stuck in tri color mode(boot screen) and need this thread "Tales from a brick and back--Newbies suggested reading".
Thats what i did...
I tried to build my own rom from strach too, but i dont think i can get it...or maybe if i just try and flash about 100 times i might get it...but i dont have patience for that...LOL
So, I used WhiteRat rom (thanks whiterat), ripped it apart using core kitchen (thanks anichillus), then deleted the packages that i dont like, and added my own packages that i have been collecting...
It seems to work now, i really want to try to out for a few weeks to see how i like it, but i just cant control my urge to cook one more rom with different packages...LOL
PS: I have tried many kitchens, i think core is the best for a newbie like me...been trying hypercore for a while now, it can be little more complicated than core...
Cab file?
Mfrazz do u have a cab file for the esmertec java?
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Mfrazz do u have a cab file for the esmertec java?
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Sorry, I do not. BTW:the package I posted is the April version, and it is still working (the June version timebombed a few days ago on Sept 1).
I have tried all flavours of custom cooked WM6 and each and everyone of them had some pieces broken which were essential to me. Right now I'm using XDA Mobile 6 Release 3 which does everything I need but has bug with with Bluetooth pairing.
So I just want plain vanilla WM6 with all pieces working and then I'll install all customisations myself.
Is such ROM available?
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I have tried all flavours of custom cooked WM6 and each and everyone of them had some pieces broken which were essential to me. Right now I'm using XDA Mobile 6 Release 3 which does everything I need but has bug with with Bluetooth pairing.
So I just want plain vanilla WM6 with all pieces working and then I'll install all customisations myself.
Is such ROM available?
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All you need to do is download one of the kitchens (theloons 7.2 in quite nice) and build what you want. That's what I have done and I couldn't be happier.
Kirby
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That's what I have done and I couldn't be happier.
Kirby
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Same here. Mine is pretty basic with only a few applications that I can't live without. I couldn't be happier.
Certainly cook your own rom would bring happiness!
If you are tired or even don't know how to do it properly, try TNT Vanilla 1921. You later have to include what you want! That's simple!
epimazzo said:
Certainly cook your own rom would bring happiness!
If you are tired or even don't know how to do it properly, try TNT Vanilla 1921. You later have to include what you want! That's simple!
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Will this include standard MS applications? I noticed it's missing Office and camera etc. I meant by vanilla - just plain install with no customisation, not stripped to barebones version.
rkwhyte2 said:
All you need to do is download one of the kitchens (theloons 7.2 in quite nice) and build what you want. That's what I have done and I couldn't be happier.
Kirby
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Where can I download it? I searched forum for "TheLoon Kitchen 7.2" but can not find anything
Have a look on Zoki version of Vanilla. It already comes with Office and many others plain apps.
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Will this include standard MS applications? I noticed it's missing Office and camera etc. I meant by vanilla - just plain install with no customisation, not stripped to barebones version.
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Look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=320159
artisticcheese said:
Where can I download it? I searched forum for "TheLoon Kitchen 7.2" but can not find anything
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Look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=320159
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I build my ROM using that utility and now at nb2nbf screen and have no idea what am I supposed to do now? I asks me for ModelID, NB file, start address, image name etc.
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Will this include standard MS applications? I noticed it's missing Office and camera etc. I meant by vanilla - just plain install with no customisation, not stripped to barebones version.
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I'm in the same boat and am trying to learn how to cook my own.
I just want a standard WM6 with all the standard Microsoft apps (nothing removed) and standard HTC apps like the camera, phonepad, etc., but no 3rd party apps, no custom artsy splash screens with peoples screennames on it, and no junk in the About screens like "Windows Mobile 6 FuNKY K00l Edition, fo shizzle!". Basically, I want something that appears to be an official release that only someone with extensive knowledge of the device would know it wasn't factory installed.
You probably missed something important during your flashing process. Didn't get your point exactly but I suggest you to turn around and learn a bit before you start cooking!
If you do anything wrong you would get your device bricked with no way to be back ok?
I can help you out but if I were you, I 'd read a little to get some knowledge. After, we can have a talk...
The kitchen is easy and simple. I used many times since earlier versions. 7.2 is great and running fine. You can also use Hypercore from Anichillus. Read the built in tutorial first!
Good luck!
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I build my ROM using that utility and now at nb2nbf screen and have no idea what am I supposed to do now? I asks me for ModelID, NB file, start address, image name etc.
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I'm in the same boat and am trying to learn how to cook my own.
I just want a standard WM6 with all the standard Microsoft apps (nothing removed) and standard HTC apps like the camera, phonepad, etc., but no 3rd party apps, no custom artsy splash screens with peoples screennames on it, and no junk in the About screens like "Windows Mobile 6 FuNKY K00l Edition, fo shizzle!". Basically, I want something that appears to be an official release that only someone with extensive knowledge of the device would know it wasn't factory installed.
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Hey ! guys
Why don't both of you get the official wm6 vanilla Base Rom release by the Microsoft,well,just hook up to their site and request for a download,they wud be more then pleased to offer you one,LOL cuz only that wud serve your purpose !!
come on guys ! you know that no one has the original wm6 vanilla base Rom released by Microsoft,except the manufacturer's,vendors and carriers only as per the contracts by them,so they all customize the Roms according to their preferences.
All the wm6 base Roms which are floating around on the net are mostly ported from these customized official (stock) Roms of these manufacturers,vendors and carriers.The vanilla Rom provided by the cookers here are the closest to the original,but will certainly have some customizations in them,therefore,what ever you can get will have customizations,so it's upto you to remove all those customizations and addon whatever your needs are.
cheers
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All the wm6 base Roms which are floating around on the net are mostly ported from these customized official (stock) Roms of these manufacturers,vendors and carriers.The vanilla Rom provided by the cookers here are the closest to the original,but will certainly have some customizations in them,therefore,what ever you can get will have customizations,so it's upto you to remove all those customizations and addon whatever your needs are.
cheers
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But of course! Precisely why I am cooking my own. So far so good, it looks as OEM as can be. Only a few bugs left to work out... missing Comm Manager and I think there are a few Microsoft standard WM6 apps that were missing from the vanilla ROM I started with so I'll have to find those and add them. I also need to do a few registry tweaks here and there to set defaults. It's a fun learning experience.
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Maybe you should just cook your own rom
mlcohen said:
Maybe you should just cook your own rom
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My friend, you miss the whole concept of this thread. If I cooked my own ROM that would only help ME. If I released it to the public there would be many people who wanted to change this or change that. When an update came out I couldn't remove my old version, but would need to recook the whole ROM again with the updates. Granted, for those people who prefer to use a cooked ROM because it "saves them time" when reflashing, then by all means please continue to use a fully cooked ROM. However, I don't see the need to reflash my ROM every two weeks. I would much prefer to have the ability to simply add/remove a program to update it then cook a ROM.
In addition, this thread should prove useful to aspiring cooks becuase I hope to compile the information that would be necessary to take a lite/stock ROM and add to it the bits and pieces that each individual cook might find useful to suit his/her tastes.
So please, if you don't like the concept go lurk elsewhere. This thread is meant for people who support this idea, not nay sayers. If no one supports this idea, then i may have an empty thread, but I am not about to have a debate as to the merits of my idea.
so just install what you want on your lite rom. Everything is out there including Office and the camera stuff. If you really wanted to get crazy you could put it all in your UC
mlcohen said:
so just install what you want on your lite rom. Everything is out there including Office and the camera stuff. If you really wanted to get crazy you could put it all in your UC
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I realize it is all "out there" The purpose of this thread is to help compile it in one place and assist those who prefer to do it this way instead of using a cooked ROM. There are hundreds of threads devoted to "which is the best cooked ROM" and dozens upon dozens of them devoted to "how do I get APP A to work on this cooked rom, or APP B on other cooked ROM."
I believe the people who don't want to use these cooked ROMs should have a place to gather all their info, and hope this to be the place.
And with that being said, I don't plan to respond to any additional critiques of the concept. If you don't want to be a part of the solution then have fun elsewhere.
thanks.
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I realize it is all "out there" ......
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omg you have no idea......i just went through hell finding cab files and getting them to work on the weekend. THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!
i found a cool way of getting some cab files though.......older devices with less storage or with extended roms like the blue angel, the cooks usually provide cab files with their roms.
The worst part was getting the HTC apps to work, esp the multimedia apps.......a lot of the cab files, they just provide the executable and few stuff and the graphic files, but not the codecs that it needs to work. what i did was dump the at&t 6.1 rom and grabbed a bunch of codecs, somewhat works now, i'm missing some reg entries........i'm somewhat waaaaay over my head, but its fun learning this **** as i go along.
oh and i hate the fact that all these htc apps dump their graphic files in the windows directory, takes me forever to open that directory. i did find one or two versions of apps that didnt need them in the windows directory.
I like where this is going and want to see more. I am one of those people.
I like the dutty series. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=383638
Was one of my favorites but too much in it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=388947
The lite of this is the one I am using now.
For example. In the first link I do not want the HTC home, FM Radio etc. But this rom is FAST.
I really like the Hybrid I am using but I have the lite and really liked the MS Voice in from the full versions. I would like to take the games out add ms office and a few progies I use.
I nomintate
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=388947
I use the 1.64.08.21 radio version.
Two registry edits for touchscreen adjustments I find useful:
-Adjusting touch screen sensitivity (from GWENI)
-Adjusting the backlight level when device is locked
For both of these you will need a program to edit your device's registry, such as Mobile Reg Editor or PHM Reg Editor.
Adjusting Touch Screen Sensitivity
-open reg editor
-browse to to HKey_Local_Machine\Drivers\TouchPanel
-change key "PressureThreshold" to "5000".
5000 is recommended, but you can play with the value until you find one you prefer.
Adjust Backlight level while device is locked
-open reg editor
-browse to HKey_Current_User\ControlPanel\Backlight\LockLevel
-change key "LockLevel" from "0" to any number between 1-10.
For this one I have mine set at 5. 10 is the brightest. Adjust to your personal preference.
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I like where this is going and want to see more. I am one of those people....
I nomintate
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=388947
I use the 1.64.08.21 radio version.
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Thanks for the vote of encouragement.
I would assume that you meant the lite ROM from Dutty's latest? I am a fan of the Dutty ROMs and have not yet tried out the latest "lite" version. I couldn't find out on the main page what exactly was IN the "lite" version. Can you post that info here, or a direct link?
So we have our first contender (awaiting more info) as Dutty's latest "lite" build.
Remember to all posters the idea here is to start with a good basic ROM that will allow us to customize ourselves (without being locked down to cooked in apps). Using something like Dutty's could be a good idea as his lite version should have many of his good tweaks built in. I would just like to get some more specific info as to what is in his lite ROM, as well as a few more nominations before we get the ball rolling.
Chances are what we come up with in this thread can be used with many of the ROMs out there, so we don't all have to agree on one. In fact, if we can nominate the top two or three lite/stock ROMs out there for people to experiment with that would be great.
Also, please remember to always check back on the first page for any updates.
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Two registry edits for touchscreen adjustments I find useful:
-Adjusting touch screen sensitivity (from GWENI)
-Adjusting the backlight level when device is locked
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Great, fantastic marmOlade, this is exactly the type of things I want to see in terms of good tweaks that pretty much anyone would want to have.
I know most of these are out there posted (like in the excellent GWENI thread) and most like we will have a lot of cross-linkage going on there.
I hope to get a nice database of these tweaks and maybe either work with one of the developers to either make an updated kaiser-tweak program with many more entires, or possibly I can work on developing a PC-based app that would generate a registry file based on chosen options which can then be uploaded to the device. This way you can check-box off the tweaks you like and quickly update the device... that is down the road of course..but thanks for the initial contribution!
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Great, fantastic marmOlade, this is exactly the type of things I want to see in terms of good tweaks that pretty much anyone would want to have.
I know most of these are out there posted (like in the excellent GWENI thread) and most like we will have a lot of cross-linkage going on there.
I hope to get a nice database of these tweaks and maybe either work with one of the developers to either make an updated kaiser-tweak program with many more entires, or possibly I can work on developing a PC-based app that would generate a registry file based on chosen options which can then be uploaded to the device. This way you can check-box off the tweaks you like and quickly update the device... that is down the road of course..but thanks for the initial contribution!
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I believe all your kaiser tweaks can be found in kaisertweak and schap's advanced configuration. If you want to edit htc home, then home customizer works wonders. Not sure why you need a thread like this when you have all these tools.
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I believe all your kaiser tweaks can be found in kaisertweak and schap's advanced configuration. If you want to edit htc home, then home customizer works wonders. Not sure why you need a thread like this when you have all these tools.
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Thanks for that input thomassster. Yes I realize that many of these tweaks are included in some of the tweak programs out there (probably 80%?). Part of this here is to bring attention to them. Many of the tweaks are either already built into the cooked ROMs, or people don't necessarily know what they do just from their title. If we can compile here some better descriptions to help better understand what each tweak does, then for people who wish to customize their own devices from the ground up have a good compendium to look through.
Also, registry tweaks isn't all this thread is about. It is about how to add various applications that may have tricky ways of doing things into a compendium where people can find it easily.
For instance, it isn't always easy to get MS Voice command fully working, or Skype, or some GPS softwares. Currently if you want to use some of these programs you have two options:
1) Use a ROM that has these cooked in already.
2) Look through the forum until you find the solution.
Option #2 of course can be very time consuming as information is outdated and dispersed throughout the forums (some of it isn't even in the Kaiser forums). What I am hoping to do is bring this all together to assist all with some of the trickier apps (MSVC, cubes, etc...).
If you feel this is unnecessary, then please feel free not to visit, but I hope you will continue to provide beneficial input. I'll be sure to post your suggestions on the front (if you have more info to give, links and such are appreciated so I don't need to search myself!).
thanks.
I like the idea as all tweaks and tips are spread over thousands of threads.
I worked on collecting my owns long time ago and I think putting them in a new thread is not a big deal unless bengalih do the documentation of all posted tweaks and post them in one document and/or CAB in first post.
Or simply add them to wiki
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I like the idea as all tweaks and tips are spread over thousands of threads....
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Thanks for the vote of support. I am as much interested in getting some good descriptions, and many categorizing the tweaks. As many have pointed out most of the tweaks are out there and already included in some of the tweak programs. I would like to add to that by giving attention to exactly what the tweaks do, how they help us, and which ones are highly recommended.
For instance, you might use Dutty's ROM and like all the tweaks in there, while not even realizing what he has done. If you moved to a "lite" ROM you might miss those things, but not really know which tweak it is you need to perform... I hope to gather a good list of that type of info here.
Great!
I totally agree with what you say in your first post. Currently using latest Duttys ROM, but still feel i need something more custom made (by me) in other words i'd like to have a bigger input in what I use.
watching the thread....
Most cooked ROMs are bugged
What about starting with an official shipped ROM?, remove just stupid things like welcome center, customer feedback... everything else is needed.
Most cooked ROMS I've tried have things broken, I mean things that work on official stock ROM and not here.
Like Windows live, 3G call, QuickGPS, HTC album.. I usally do not spend more than a few hours with a cooked ROM before I find too many bugs and too many things that should be working and are not.
I can flash the ROM that came with my TyTN II and add a few cabs, and all work. Camera works, 3G video call works, GPS works, Tomtom works, Skype works... It's WM6.0, but things WORK. No missing icons, no missing buttons, no stupid buttons for hardware that it's not on the phone...
And, expecting those "go cook your own ROM" flames... this is looking a lot like the linux fanboys, I'm not a programmer or OS developer, I see someone announcing an OS and test it, and give my findings. No good if basic things do not work correctly and you have to search for registry tweaks to make something that you had before appear again, or work as in a stock ROM.
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What about starting with an official shipped ROM?, remove just stupid things like welcome center, customer feedback... everything else is needed.
Most cooked ROMS I've tried have things broken, I mean things that work on official stock ROM and not here.
Like Windows live, 3G call, QuickGPS, HTC album.. I usally do not spend more than a few hours with a cooked ROM before I find too many bugs and too many things that should be working and are not.
I can flash the ROM that came with my TyTN II and add a few cabs, and all work. Camera works, 3G video call works, GPS works, Tomtom works, Skype works... It's WM6.0, but things WORK. No missing icons, no missing buttons, no stupid buttons for hardware that it's not on the phone...
And, expecting those "go cook your own ROM" flames... this is looking a lot like the linux fanboys, I'm not a programmer or OS developer, I see someone announcing an OS and test it, and give my findings. No good if basic things do not work correctly and you have to search for registry tweaks to make something that you had before appear again, or work as in a stock ROM.
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I am using a cooked rom and dont have any bugs. Looks like u have tried the wrong roms. And dont forget that shiped roms dont have some customizations(which improve the performance) that the cooked roms have.
Firstly:
Sorry for the confusion I was not aware that "NO THRILLS" which is what I originally called this Basic ROM was someones 'Trade Mark'. Please forgive me for stepping on any toes, it was not intentional, and not intended to take away from anyones well earned glory. Sorry all!!.
So Here it is:
This is my first ROM I've put up for Download. I've been playing about with these ROMs for quite a while and I have really appreciated everyones help in developing wonderful tools and freely distributing them here.
XDA-Developers is just brillient
So This ROM is based on the latest ATT build (3.55.502.1) I have removed all of the ATT bloat ware, and several applications listed below, and left the ROM open for customizing. I have often found that Most ROMS have only the 5 tab Home, and the older Task Manager etc, so I have removed all traces of these applications and simply left the ROM barebones, so people can just add applications as needed.
Applications removed:
ATT Music Shop
ATT Games Shop
ATT Mobie TV
ATT Music ID
ATT Mall
Real Player
HTC Home
HTC Today Plug-in
HTC Task Manager
Windows Music Player Plug-in
Microsoft Welcome Center
Applications Added:
SDAutoRun
Windows Vista Wait Cursor
Windows Media Player Compatability Upgrade (now plays mp4 video)
Screen Capture App
Reg Editor
This ROM does run 2 additional small Cabs after first installed, these are adding small settings for the ATT network. These Cabs DO NOT AFFECT any none ATT users. Hence this ROM can be used on all carriers that I am aware of.
This ROM is compatible with all the 1.65 Radios. I have not Tried the 1.58 yet, but I have tried the new 1.71 Radio and that one is also compatible with this ROM.
Voice Command and all the OFFICE applications are still there, as is NETCF2.0
I have uploaded two copies, one with the radio, and one without.
I am planning on doing a fully loaded ROM soon based on this acrhitecture.
Please let me know what you guys and girls find with this new ROM
Thank you
Download Links are Below.
Rapid Share!!
NO NETCF Version
ROM (no Radio)
ROM (+ Radio)
NETCF 2.0 Version
ROM (no Radio)
ROM (+ Radio)
NETCF 3.0 Version
ROM (no Radio)
ROM (+ Radio)
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First Issue Reported.
I called this ROM a NO THRILLS Rom. Sorry for any confusion but this rom is in no way associated with the Master Chef "NoThrills". Please forgive me if I mis-represented this ROM. I simply ment that it was a stripped down ROM with only Basic Apps installed. In England where I am originally from No Thrills means just that, "very basic". Which is why I used the term. I was not aware until recently that "NoThrills" was a xda members name.
However, NOTATreoFan is dead right its "No Frills" I was thinking of. Doh!!!!! Trust me I program better than I apparently speak !!!
Sorry for the confusion NoThrills. Please don't hate me, i'm just stupid
Problems Reported So Far
None, However some poeple have commented on various NETCF configurations, hence the list of availlable versions has been updated to accomodate these requests.
Now you can have :
No NETCF
NETCF2.0
NETCF3.0
Enjoy!
Thx M8, I'll give it a go...
wich no thrills rom is this based on because its not v3? or is it just the no thrills concept
No offence but for me this shouldn't be named "No Thrills". everyone should know why... its just... dunno how to name it even...
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wich no thrills rom is this based on because its not v3? or is it just the no thrills concept
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This isnt the "No Thrills" that you think it is, it looks like we have a new chef which is great but I agree that this should prob be changed from "No Thrills" that is of course you want a cluttered thread with questions like the above. Its always nice to have another chef though, Ill give it a whirl if I get the time.
Finaly????
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Finaly????
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This is not No Thrills Rom.....!
He can rename it to No Frills. Oh wait... that would confuse people who shop at Pathmark and buy their house-brand products...
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This isnt the "No Thrills" that you think it is, it looks like we have a new chef which is great but I agree that this should prob be changed from "No Thrills" that is of course you want a cluttered thread with questions like the above. Its always nice to have another chef though, Ill give it a whirl if I get the time.
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I hate to be that guy who says "I told you so" but, I told you so LOL
You are right. I was not aware until just now that NoThrills was someones call sign. I have changed the name of the file and printed an appology in the listing.
Thank you for your comments.
Like yourself...I'm anxiously trying and struggling to become a avid chef in cooking ROMs. Is it possible that you could direct a noobie like me to a tutorial or Wiki about what steps you took to take out most of the different AT&T apps and such? This is something I've been trying to do for some time now and have failed at almost every attempt. Any help would be greatly appreciative so that I can further my cooking expertise. If you don't know where to find information could you possibly post a Wiki or tutorial on how you done it yourself?
EDIT: Can someone mirror this through MegaUpload? Rapidshare keeps giving me an error.
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You are right. I was not aware until just now that NoThrills was someones call sign. I have changed the name of the file and printed an appology in the listing.
Thank you for your comments.
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Great Entrance, Anthony, but I welcome your "stripped" WWE Rom to the Kaiser community..
Great stuff for those who like it plain and simple.
Good to see so many new chefs around.
Look forward to seeing more of your work in future.
WIzard200x,
"Stripped" .... Yes that would of been perfect
Next time, I will think a little harder before giving my creations a name.
Thank you everyone for your understanding !!
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WIzard200x,
"Stripped" .... Yes that would of been perfect
Next time, I will think a little harder before giving my creations a name.
Thank you everyone for your understanding !!
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Could you help a fellow new chef out and give me some pointers on how you edited some of the files?
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Like yourself...I'm anxiously trying and struggling to become a avid chef in cooking ROMs. Is it possible that you could direct a noobie like me to a tutorial or Wiki about what steps you took to take out most of the different AT&T apps and such? This is something I've been trying to do for some time now and have failed at almost every attempt. Any help would be greatly appreciative so that I can further my cooking expertise. If you don't know where to find information could you possibly post a Wiki or tutorial on how you done it yourself?
EDIT: Can someone mirror this through MegaUpload? Rapidshare keeps giving me an error.
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Hi,
I'm not sure if there is a quicker way to do it, but for me it was a case of locating each and every file for the apps not wanted and deleteing them. Then I went through each rgu file and removed all entries concerning the programs no longer installed. You also have to go through each provxml file to locate any references in there as well, otherwise the rom might develop instabilities. I also did some very minor dsm extractions.
My ROM will decomplie again, so if your looking for a basic architecture to begin on, download my rom and extract it.
Hope that helps
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Hi,
I'm not sure if there is a quicker way to do it, but for me it was a case of locating each and every file for the apps not wanted and deleteing them. Then I went through each rgu file and removed all entries concerning the programs no longer installed. You also have to go through each provxml file to locate any references in there as well, otherwise the rom might develop instabilities. I also did some very minor dsm extractions.
My ROM will decomplie again, so if your looking for a basic architecture to begin on, download my rom and extract it.
Hope that helps
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What did you use to view the rgu, provxml files, and dsm files?
I keep getting an error saying that I'm already downloading a file from RapidShare when I try to download either version
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Which files are you refering too :
I used notepad for the following files
.provxml
.rgu
and a HEX editor for:
.dsm
I can not report to much success with the dsm files. My knowledge of this area is limited. I was able to remove some lines that were not wanted, but some of the files did not translate well.
Hope that helps
That helps me out quite a bit. I'm going to retry what I've been battling all night and see what I can come up with
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What did you use to view the rgu, provxml files, and dsm files?
I keep getting an error saying that I'm already downloading a file from RapidShare when I try to download either version
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I will post some mirrors, please hold. I will edit this post when I have them uploaded.
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Hello fellow Chefs..
I know all of you are probably busy, but I hope you'll read this.
For few months I have this idea, which seems I can't do myself (mostly lack of time, as well as resources and knowledge of few things).
Since first time I read about UC, I knew what I wanted to do: a basic, simple ROM version, without *anything* added. Just plain OS, nothing else.
Basically it can be described in one sentence:
Less cooked-in, More by User.
Less is More.
The idea was the same as behind UC - let the USER customize it the way he wants during flashing or after every hard reset.
Call it "cooking without cooking"
I did it, but the time took me to finish it made it old and obsolete build.
I was going to do new one when I received 20748 from Akadonny, based on the same principle, but I realized it'll take me too much time again.
So here is passing the idea to you:
If you have some new good base, beside cooking your usual ROMs, perhaps consider making one small extra "basic" ROM?
You may ask why.
Well, you can see the answer in post of each and every ROM thread. Johnny wants NETCF3.5 cooked-in while 888 dont want it Johnny2 ask for game, Johnny3 asks to remove this, another wants that to be added and so on and on. You get the idea, I think
No one needs exactly the same features as another person.
Sure, continue making your own "custom-featured" ROMs with your selection of custom cooked-in add-ons (ie latest Garmin's ROMs with his own cool icons, or sakajati's cool looking ROM with cooked-in Manilla 2D). Many people have no slightest idea how to even change their wallpaper, so obviously all they want is "ready to go", fully pre-loaded and fully pre-configured ROM.
But also there are people who know how to use UC to its full extent, including loading their own settings XMLs and their own selection of software.
They don't need all those extra nifty perks you guys cook-in in every ROM.
And very often the settings you guys have cooked-in make problems for them. Don't misunderstand me here: it is great for most average people when you cook-in features they can't or don't know how to add. But not everyone needs it. Hence the idea - make an extra version of ROM, *without* all your usual extras, perks, and whistles, don't cook-in anything there, and let the user choose what to add with UC. Yes, I noticed that for some Chefs the art of cooking is some sort of competition - "I add this first, I do that better," and so on... well, making a "basic" ROM can be and is competitive as well! If you need "competing adrenaline" think of it that way: can you "shave" the base as much as other Chef and still have it fully working? Or maybe you can make it even smaller without sacrificing any functionality? (thats just example)
Anyways, I know it is doable.
And I know many people would thank you that
Whats more, cooking just a 'basic' ROM (without anything that can be installed later during UC) and relying on UC afterwards, makes it much better than spending time on setting up everything you would have cooked-in.
Why to do it?
Because once user have all his usual programs "moved" from having them cooked-in onto the Storage Card (and installed from there with UC), as well as all his settings etc in the XMLs on Storage Card, it is oh-so-damn-easy for every one to update their phone to the latest build version without loosing any of their programs, features or settings!
Lets say (this is just for example) that I have sakajati's latest 20749.1.4.0 build on my phone, but Garmin posted today newer 28000.1.5.0 build, so by flashing newest Garmin's ROM no one would loose any of their programs or settings they had on sakajati's ROM because they all would be installed again to Garmin's ROM with UC.
It would also eliminate dilemma users often have, like (again - its just example) "I like icons on Garmin's ROM, stability of sakajati's ROM and the way my GPS works so fast on XyZ's ROM, too bad I can't have all of them in one". Well, it is possible actually, but it takes Chef's to swallow a bit of our pride
Wouldn't it be great?
All it takes is Chefs making "on the side" extra lean/small/basic/whaetever-you-call-it version of their ROM, and accompany them with extended cabs packages rather than cooking it all in (where possible, of course), and the users themselves keeping all their extras (software, settings etc) on their Storage Card ready to be installed again and again every time they flash their phone with new ROM or if they just hard reset it....
I know I would like that, and I'm sure there are more people
Any takers to this idea?
Thank you for reading such long post
BTW
I started to play with something like that based on 3.29 from Akadonny.
If you want to see what I mean, it is in my shared files (\Private folder, "eLMO_3_29_..." ROM)
(NOTE: it is not finished, its work in progress, so it works partially, but I have no time to work on it now so most likely I'll never finish it - because probably again by the time I'll have it ready there will be 100 newer builds 'on the market' and it will be obsolete by then ).
A good idea would be
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I seriously love the PPCKitchen cooking utility...So, if I knew how to sign and stuff, I could code it...so if anyone wants to get in contact with me.
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Hello fellow Chefs..
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Hello fellow Chefs..
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I seriously love the PPCKitchen cooking utility...So, if I knew how to sign and stuff, I could code it...so if anyone wants to get in contact with me.
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Seems like what you quoted is all what you read from my post
I just completed cooking what is essentially the 2nd version of my very first ROM. It all started out of a perceived demand for AT&T's Official 6.1 ROM, but without the ton of crap they put in it.
After I released V1 of my ROM, people seemed to be quite impressed with it, and quite frankly I was shocked, since it was my first attempt. Non-AT&T users then started asking about a version of the ROM without AT&T settings, so for V2 I released an HTC build based on their Official WWE ROM.
Both the AT&T and HTC ROMs are considered out of date by current build numbers, but since they are true Kaiser ROMs, I was able to avoid a lot of the minor issues that tend to show up in ROMs using bases ported from other devices.
In an attempt to appeal to as many people as possible, I produced 6 different versions (3 from AT&T and 3 from HTC) of V2.
The "Base" ROM included the bare-minimum. The only changes made were updating the camera and album, and adding a 10-button Comm Manager.
The "Base+HTC Home" is exactly as above, but with HTC Home added.
The "Loaded" ROM is a build very similar to what I use on my Tilt.
All of the ROMs were also made to be UC-compatible, so that anyone who flashed them could easily install all their apps not included in one of the various builds.
Once V2 goes final, I'm going to figure out the whole "upgrading base versions" thing, and start to experiment with newer builds.
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The "Base" ROM included the bare-minimum. The only changes made were updating the camera and album, and adding a 10-button Comm Manager.
The "Base+HTC Home" is exactly as above, but with HTC Home added.
The "Loaded" ROM is a build very similar to what I use on my Tilt.
All of the ROMs were also made to be UC-compatible, so that anyone who flashed them could easily install all their apps not included in one of the various builds.
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Congratulations on your new ROMs!
I'm sure I will try them when I have some more time, perhaps this weekend.
I remember your previous ROM v1 was very nice (yeah Im a ROM-junkie haha).
but regarding the subject.
I think you misunderstand me.
If I may take the example of your "Base ROM" because that's exactly what I'm talking about (same goes for example to Garmin's "naked" ROM; Garmin if you read it here is my explanation to what we were discussing when I had to leave earlier):
Camera - there are versions 4 & 5 available, and it perfectly works when installed separately, so it doesn't have to be cooked-in in a "base" ROM. Having "your" version already cooked-in actually prevents anyone using this ROM from installing any other Camera version...
Album - same as above. There are few different version of v.1 & v.2, each one of them has different size and slightly different option. Why it has to be cooked-in if it perfectly works when installed with UC?
Comm Manager - again, same as above. Especially this one, where there are more versions of this app than anything else, 3-button, 4-button, 6-button, 8-button, 9-button and 10-button versions available, and some with different "subversions" as well (different look/skins).
Give users of your "base" ROM freedom of choice and let them choose which version they want, DON'T cook those in!
Yes, you should include them in a "regular" more-less featured ROM, by all means they should be there, but IMHO for a "base" or "basic" ROM there should be only a minimum or basics, or the stuff that have to be cooked-in to work.
I started this thread not only because I was going to make it myself, but also because I noticed that so many ROMs I have tried in past few months are almost as bloated as official HTC ROMs, and almost all light/slim/small/naked/base ROMs that I've seen, with very few exceptions, are far from being really lite or small.
No.
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No. When I quoted the whole text I got issues...Sorry if I missunderstood by the way.
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No. When I quoted the whole text I got issues...Sorry if I missunderstood by the way.
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I've check this PPC Kitchen you wrote about (IMHO its a complete OT here). I dont know how it works and is it any good, but seems like it may be handy for less-knowledgeable people who want to avoid any command-line work but still would like to play own Chef's game Perhaps you should start new thread about it.
Nice idea but...
The reality is that chefs are cooking their roms to some extent for their own preferences, and then to a large extent to what most people want. I find it unlikely that there are many users like you who would prefer to have virtually everything stripped out of a rom. I agree it is nice to have a light rom w/o many programs, but in my experience most of the lite roms, or super lite roms have only some bare minimum program. (dialer, sql, netcf sometimes, office on occasion)
I truly think that users such as yourself need to get into the kitchen as you will never truly satisfied with someone else's work. This is not meant as a dig, but rather that you love to have your rom tweaked out just the way you want it. There will always be a few chefs who release the kinds of stripped down roms you're looking for, but i really doubt you will ever see most chefs releasing that kind of rom simply because it really isn't want most people want. I personally think a better solution is if more of the programs included were uninstallable. That way a user like yourself could remove those programs you do no want, then run your UC and have all your settings and programs just the way you wanted them, but also appeal to those users who want the rom to have at least a few of what they might consider the essentials.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
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The reality is that chefs are cooking their roms to some extent for their own preferences, and then to a large extent to what most people want. I find it unlikely that there are many users like you who would prefer to have virtually everything stripped out of a rom. I agree it is nice to have a light rom w/o many programs, but in my experience most of the lite roms, or super lite roms have only some bare minimum program. (dialer, sql, netcf sometimes, office on occasion)
I truly think that users such as yourself need to get into the kitchen as you will never truly satisfied with someone else's work. This is not meant as a dig, but rather that you love to have your rom tweaked out just the way you want it. There will always be a few chefs who release the kinds of stripped down roms you're looking for, but i really doubt you will ever see most chefs releasing that kind of rom simply because it really isn't want most people want. I personally think a better solution is if more of the programs included were uninstallable. That way a user like yourself could remove those programs you do no want, then run your UC and have all your settings and programs just the way you wanted them, but also appeal to those users who want the rom to have at least a few of what they might consider the essentials.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
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Ah no scotchua, I *don't* use completely stripped-down ROMs at all, ever
I doubt anyone does.
I load plenty of apps, probably more than most of the average people - I always have almost 500MB of programs on my SD (and none of those are any games!) and even though I install everything as much as I can to SD, I still get 50-70MB of stuff into Main Storage as well.
But all of them are *my* choices, almost all of them I have installed with UC.
Thats the beauty of UC which many Chefs seem to underappreciate.
I'm not against having any additional software, Im just saying that if Chefs would utilize UC more instead of cooking-in the apps that can be perfectly installed with UC, it would give more power to everyone - and make the ROMs more customizable than they are now.
As in the NATF's previous post example, he already denied users of his "Base" ROM their choice of Camera, Comm Manager and Album apps.
Would his "base" ROM be anything worse if those 3 apps wouldn't have been cooked-in but given to users as an option in extended cabs package? It wouldn't, and actually his ROM would have been even more versatile and customizable, because the same apps could be installed with UC by those who don't want anything else, while other versions of those could be installed by those who wanted something else.
I understand what youre saying - I agree it is "Chef's choice what ingredients they put in". But I'm not talking about show-off ROMs like ie sakajati's first kaiser ROM with Manilla2D, I'm talking about *base/small/lite* ROMs.
IMHo its some kind of misconception of what lite ROM is if anyone calls ROM "lite" yet half of *major* programs are already cooked-in.
I personally think a better solution is if more of the programs included were uninstallable. That way a user like yourself could remove those programs you do no want, then run your UC...
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I see here you partially see what Im talking about.
Unfortunately it doesnt work this way.
First, for any program to be uninstallable, it has to be installed from a cab. Therefore the cab have to be cooked-in. That takes space and would make any ROM more bloated than official ROM. take for example just few major apps like NETCF, WMLive, Office - just their cabs would still chomp out some 12-15MB of ROM, even if you would uninstall them, because you can't "uninstall" the cab itself, it will always be there in the ROM taking space. Thats worse than having them cooked-in.
But please follow me one step further.
Since you agree that it is better solution to have such uninstallable, the solution is exactly what Im talking about: anything that don't need to be cooked-in (in order to work properly) should go as a cab to storage card (instead of ROM as you suggested) and be installable/uninstallable from there.
Thats all it takes.
Less cooked-in = More.
With ie Camera app cooked-in you can't install any newer version on top of it.
With Album cooked-in you can't install newer version over it.
With Comm Manager cooked-in you can't install different version over it.
Almost every major program, when cooked-in, cannot be upgraded with newer version (or older if someone prefers it).
D3D drivers are almost released daily. What is the point to cook them in if by the end of the week there probably will be newer version? (and we all know that out of anything else we do want latest drivers always)
Those are just few examples.
Why should we force users to flash entire new ROM if all he wants is different Camera apps (for example)?
Solutions is moving all those programs to xtended cabs on SD and having them installed with UC , which would make them all not only perfectly uninstallable, without taking any space in the ROM when not installed or uninstalled, but they will be also easily upgradeable.
For half a year or more we have this perfect solution to all of it: UC
and almost nobody takes advantage of its great possibilities
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I chopped the other to save space. It's not that i don't understand what you're talking about, and i do conceed i forgot that those cabs have to be stored separately on the rom, and it would be very bloated in that case.
The reality is that the type of rom you are wanting is really not desired by the majority of users here. I think that most chef's just aren't going to want to put out 3 versions of every rom they do. Hopefully one will take your words to heart though, as that would allow you the type of roms you are looking for. I just really don't believe that there are enough users who want those last few items stripped from the rom. i have been using UC since it was first released, and i think it's a wonderful tool. I love lite roms as well, for the reasons you stated. I do; however, realize that i'm more the exception rather than the rule. The majority of users can't even be bothered to look for a program, or figure out where to go to uncheck they proxy lol. I actually prefer to have a few things cooked in, for example sql and netcf. Not because i can't install them myself, but rather because if i don't install them first and separately then i seems to have issues with some of my programs.
I agree that installing programs to the SD card is the way to go. It allows you to never have to enter your settings again for so many programs. Recently it seems that I have been having a lot of issues with the files being corrupted however, which has actually been a source of frustration to me.
Anyway, I guess my point is that I understand what you're getting at, and i can see why it's appealing to you. I just don't think there's enough users who feel that same way to warrent the extra work required for the chefs. It is an interesting idea an maybe some others will come in here and prove that i am wrong for thinking so. This is an excellent discussion point, and your ideas are well thought out articulated. IT should be a useful discussion.
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I chopped the other to save space. It's not that i don't understand what you're talking about, and i do conceed i forgot that those cabs have to be stored separately on the rom, and it would be very bloated in that case.
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I chopped it as well, youre right -no need to repeat it all everytime we reply
Thank you. Im glad we're on the same page
I do understand that such "real lite" ROMs would be for just a fraction of people.
But I think it would change if this idea would spread.
because lets face it - for Chefs there will be absolutely no difference if the same programs that they cook-in would be attached as some extended cabs package to their ROM. Actually it makes cooking the ROM even easier
Its the same programs and features, but instead of having them cooked-in they can come as cabs to be installed with UC.
If Chefs would do this, at first probably there would be many people not understanding it and asking "what the hell is this UC and why do I have to extract second rar to my storage card" and so on. But once they would try it I'm sure even an average non-tekkie user would see the advantages: new Camera app has been ported from some OMNIA II ? No problem - uninstall the one you have and install new one. Don't like it? Uninstall new one and install old one back. Very much like on your standard computer. Thats the main advantage I see in "UC-ing everything".
Because I don't know about everyone else, but I sure have been always pisssed that if I want to change any of the major apps I have to reflash entire ROM!
Hopefully one will take your words to heart though, as that would allow you the type of roms you are looking for.
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Its not for *me*! I use my own ROM since I learned on Alex's kitchen... but yes, I would love to see such lite ROMs from other Chefs since we have some great talents here.
And please remember Im not saying that all ROMs should be made to have everything from UC, but the "lite" ROMs certainly should. No n00bs go for "lite" ROMs, thus it is safe to assume that all the "lite" afficionados here are at least accustomed with UC
Welp, the best solution is to create a base rom as clean as possible, then you pack all the cabs into exe installer file that runs on PC using any pocket pc installer creator. Set options to this installer so user can pick which cabs they want to install.
I might implement this on my future rom release (HyperDragon IV)
Nice idea -888-
for me, Creating ROM, means creating a choice for user,.
But some of the user, would like to use just what was included in the ROM itself,.
so for me, the best solution was making sveral variants,.
-888-,
I do like lite roms the best. Kyphur got me started in my quest to build the lightest, but fully functional rom. But even then there are some that prefer something not so lite. No matter what you do you will never satisfy everyone.
CRCinAU has a ROM for the Hermes which he calls 'Naked', which starts off with a base ROM. But he includes a utility that allows the user to pick which apps/utilities to add to the ROM after the user has the ROM up and running. Maybe that may be a concept to transfer to the Kaiser ROMs. Additionally, any apps/utilities that wouldn't be on this 'list' can still be installed by the user the old fashioned way.
Sorry, just thought I'd bring this up. I'm not a chef, although someday I'd like to learn how to cook up my own!
biscuits1978 said:
CRCinAU has a ROM for the Hermes which he calls 'Naked', which starts off with a base ROM. But he includes a utility that allows the user to pick which apps/utilities to add to the ROM after the user has the ROM up and running. Maybe that may be a concept to transfer to the Kaiser ROMs. Additionally, any apps/utilities that wouldn't be on this 'list' can still be installed by the user the old fashioned way.
Sorry, just thought I'd bring this up. I'm not a chef, although someday I'd like to learn how to cook up my own!
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Hermes have extended ROM, and it will be very easy to popping up the choice for user to install, with mortscript,.
but not kaiser, kaiser dont have that, so the only way of UC, was putting .cab inside storage card
Garmin said:
Hermes have extended ROM, and it will be very easy to popping up the choice for user to install, with mortscript,.
but not kaiser, kaiser dont have that, so the only way of UC, was putting .cab inside storage card
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what do you mean the kaiser doesnt have mortscript?
also, i think that tier autoinstall fits this category perfectly
I'm just layman user like most users here,and I think i very much agree with Scot. You see,if user like us were left to our own choice of how to install and make certain must-have apps (for us), like office mobile, windows live, etc, it will give the chef lots of headaches in replying "i try to install it but it wont work, you must help me... bla... bla... bla",since we don't even care that we have to install netcf first. Not to mention that installation of netcf itself is not as problem-free as most layman will think.
So most of the times i saw our chefs have to cooked some apps in to ensure it works so he will only be bothered by questions about more unspecific apps like beejive,arabizer,tomtom,igo,etc. It'd save him from standard apps question.
Although i must admit that your idea is very great,and very appealing to most advanced users. But maybe if chef should release this kind of ROM,it must be in separated dedicated thread with big bold warning letters:
"Please DO NOT TRY to flash this version of ROM if you don't even know how to customize things on your own. Any questions arised from ignorance will not ever be replied!!".
But from my observation here,even when warned harshly, there will always be ignorant people to give you nightmares, LOL =D
mbarvian said:
what do you mean the kaiser doesnt have mortscript?
also, i think that tier autoinstall fits this category perfectly
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No sir, i mean kaiser dont have extended ROM,.
Base/Clean ROM would be great
I've been here 'lurking' for a while and have been trying to find time to start cooking ROMs , but I must agree w/ 888 that sharing clean/base ROMs would be a great idea.
Personally I've moved from UC to Sashimi to configure my builds post flash as I find its much more robust than UC. The only potential downside to Sashimi vs UC is you have to invoke it post refresh whereas UC is loaded automatically for the ROMs where it is enabled.
However I rather enjoy the flexibility to see what the 'naked' rom can do before I add my apps and configs to it.
The chefs here are WAY beyond helpful, but I think it would be a great thing to have the bare bones type of rom that those w/o time to be chefs can still uninstall/install their favorite and or latest/greatest versions of the updated apps that seem to come out frequently.
Also by not cooking things in they can be upgraded when a potential improved version is available.
I'm still searching for the ultimate ROM, but that may be a long search. Each ROM I've seen and or installed has had its benefits and 'challenges'.
Just my twenty or so cents.