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I have a contract Mobile thats just run out I have to keep contract so have to upgrade (gotta get anything you can for free right). Ive currently got a nicely customised Orange SPV M700 Running WM6 and about 32gb worth of memory cards (mostly 4gb SDHC, cheers for the patch ). Ive tried many Im not limited by network as I always get a complete new contract as you get better offers, and all work about the same. I have tried the iPhone and quite frankly its VV disapointing, got some really nice features, nice and thin but TBH I think I get better sound out of my M700, which I have hooked up to my amp for my morning alarm, however I love the browser its 1000 times easier than anything for WM phones, and the switch for switching between landscape and portrait is good (although my brothers sometimes crashes when doing it???), but overall it just cant be advanced and just doesnt have the support it needs. Ive also had a play with the Athena (well T-Mobile Ameo) and it seems slightly better than the M700 but its huge not something I can just carry round in my pocket.
So basically I have 2 choices just buy a phone that is selling well on ebay and make some money back, or upgrade my M700 to something else but what???.
Also Im tempted to just change my M700 for the white versioon and sell the black version I have just for a change cause I've yet to see any good replacement housings for the M700.

Upgrading Orange SPV M700
I can't suggest what the best phone is to upgrade to as I have recently taken out a contract on an Orange white M700 having had a M500 for 18 months and I am very happy with the phone. I did see a T-mobile windows phone with a slide out keyboard which looked quite nice, but I don't know the specs. By the way where did you get WM6 from as I have still got WM5 and I understand WM6 is a lot better?

Take a look through the Trinity section of this site, I know the phone your talking about its the TytnII I am tempted by it but it looks a bit fat for my liking...

Which model should I buy second hand? Blue Angel?

Hi there!
I have recently discovered the HTC line of smartphones and have gotten really keen on buying one. I generally love smart devices that allow me to do a lot of things. I'm mostly interested in the phone functionality (obviously), Wifi connection, music playback and preferably playing videos (xvid etc).
The Blue Angel seems really nice and from what I've read it can play video decently without transcoding. I like to watch documentaries and stuff, and wish to be able to stream from my share over Wifi or just easily copy over to the memory card.
For the stuff that I want to do, would you say that the Blue Angel is the best one (I don't have that much money to spend on this so I'm looking around the second hand market).
It would be a big plus if the smartphone could handle SDHC, but that doesn't seem too common. I would hope that some smart person enables support for SDHC in the Blue Angel one day
Any thoughts are welcome. Thanks in advance!

i would say a universal or a axim x50v or x51v(htc made but just a pda)
the universal i have not tried but seems like a good device(i should of bought it, i saw it in a pawn shop for $90 dollars) and i think theirs a cooked rom for it the updates it to wm6 and has SDHC support but you should check the forums for each device to check or the XDA-wiki to see the specs

Thanks a lot for your suggestions. Unfortunately, after a very quick browse it seems that the units that you mention are _far_ more expensive than the Blue Angel (even second hand) and very much out of my price range.
Yes, I'm on a tight budget here, so I guess the question is more Blue Angel vs Wizard, etc.
Thanks!

Blue Angel vs Wizard? Oh easy ^^ BlueAngel, the name sounds hotter and its a hell of a lot faster. (And the screen doesnt die after a while, the wizard has some issue with the keyboard thingy, thin kabel attached to it that after a while tends to give some fancy stripes on your display.. reset fixes that tho.. but still anoying.)

how much you got to spend?

From what I read, the Blue Angel does not support Edge and the wizard does (I'm sure someone will let me know if that's incorrect)...both can have wm6 installed on them but the Blue Angel comes with WM2003 and the wizard comes with WM5 by default.

He didnt mention he needed EDGE and wm6 is easy to get running on the Blue Angel.. but true, it doesnt come standard with it (well he is going to buy it secondhand, so chances are that it will tho )

sorry about that. i have a htc wizard and so far it still works and has had many drops and has gone through many flashes so i would say a wizard is a good device to start with like i did. just keep in mind that you should get g3 ver. and not g4 because g3 you can flash the radio and other stuff more easy.(G3 = IPL/SPL:2.xx or 3.xx | G4 = IPL/SPL: 2.xx.x.xx or something like this but you get it, more numbers )

That's all right, thanks for the tips!
What about the HTC TyTS (Hermes)? It seems very powerful and much newer than the Blue Angel. What do you think?

I'd go with the Hermes myself. It's the poorman's kaiser.

Cool, thanks!
From what I've read (recently discovered it) it seems to have more and newer features than the Blue Angel and it's also quite plentiful on the second hand market here in Sweden. It seems I will be able to get one for not much more than a Blue Angel, also.
Other cool things is that it seems to handle SDHC-cards (right?) so that I can put 8 GB in it.
Also it seems to play video at least as well as the Blue Angel. Can anyone confirm this?
Incidentally the Kaiser (TyTN II) because of bad drivers has really bad video playback, according to what I've read (not that it would be an option for me anyway. It seems quite expensive. I'd go for the poormans Kaiser then )

Unlocking TyTN
Ok, I've got a HTC TyTN that I'm very interested in buying. It is, however, operator locked to a 3G operator. Is there software available for unlocking it on my own, or do I have to pay for that?

Help!! Polaris, or Kaiser?????

Hi , cant decide which of these phones to get. I'm getting either on 02 uk, anyone help me to decide which is better? (orbit2 or vario III).
Thankyou.
Stu.

kaiser got keyboard
poraris got fm radio and is suppose to have a mouch touchflow'ish screen

Yup, it's pretty much keyboard versus no keyboard. If you don't need it, save yourself the bulk and get it with a flush screen.

Touch Dual
I um'd and ahh'd bought the Kaiser (loved it) and just 2 days ago got the Niki, suffice to say the Kaiser is going on eBay (well i'll give it a few days more).
The niki vs the kaiser, lacks wifi, gps and full keyboard.
But, its so so sexier and cool, feels good and is awesome.

depending how much I can be bothered to spend I was considering a Nike. The polaris looks sweet (Next generation Artemis??) but the one thing id miss is a hardware keyboard.
Kaiser should be coming into its own soon with the driver situation looking a bit brighter but Baring in mind the next Hermes/Kaiser type device wont be that far away methinks (TyTN III?).

"The polaris looks sweet (Next generation Artemis??)"
well it looks kinda like artemis but under the hood they are not related much
polaris is pretty much as stated the same hardware as kaiser without the keyboard
and with fm radio
htc dont truely run families like that
some may look kinda alike
and others may have 100% the same insides
.....

This Dutch tech news website has cought some info about the driver issue not being fixed with drivers, but with patches to boost performance. They do however mention that it all comes from unverified sources, so it could be just some rumour, but it could be true aswell.
Original post: http://life.tweakers.net/nieuws/520...-om-prestatie-van-toestellen-te-verhogen.html
An attempt at an english translation: http://www.google.com/translate?u=h...te-verhogen.html&langpair=nl|en&hl=en&ie=UTF8

I'm due an upgrade - Whats new on the market?

Hi there all - I currently have a MDA Compact III through T-Mobile and am due an upgrade next week. I don't mind moving networks. Whats better than what i currently have? Does anyone know if there are any new PDA's out on the market shortly? If so, what do they do and should i hold on or just go with whats out there now! I'd really appreciate your help and i'm totally open to all options.
Cheers and thanks for reading
Regards
Daddy H

yep the mda compac IV, stay that few extra months, itll bring the price of the device down, its also known as the HTC Touch Diamond. Comes out in june sometime on sim-free, probably july on T-Mob.
If you wait those 2 months, yoll probs get some loyalty bonus or at least a discount.
Definitely the best phone ive seen thats upcoming
Rory

Thread moved to general as this is not NEWS for most of us that is.

I might be wrong, but the Diamond doesn't have qwertry, memory card slot or a flash on the camera right? Hardly an upgrade from the previous MDA range. In fact that seems massively lower spec than the MDA Vario II to me. aGPS and VGA screen do look a treat though.
It is pretty, but if I wanted pretty I'd get an iPhone. Also, the back is hideous and looks like it would be seriously uncomfortable in your pocket.
I have an i-Mate 9502 (pretty much brand new out) which is lovely, but until i-Mate get their arses in gear with patches/updates it has no SDHC support and it doesn't play videos so well (no worse than the MDA 3 mind). These features are supposedly coming though. It looks a bit like a sidekick which you can either take or leave.
Sony Ericsson X1 is what I'm waiting for with baited breath, although its looking like its not going to be out until the end of the year now :/

I hid money from the wife just so i could save for the raphael as long as my money doesn't corrode waiting for it.

If you can cope without the external memory card slot then the Touch Diamond (MDA COMPACT 4) is definitely the one for you: particularly given that you currently use a non-qwerty MDA Compact 3. The interface looks superb and the only drawback seems to be the lack of a memory card slot. There is no flash on the camera either, but IMHO you wouldn't buy a Winmo device for its camera anyway as they're all crap!
Another advantage is that its release on the T-Mobile uk network is imminent.
The Raphael should also be released on T-Mobile given their record of releasing wizard and Magician upgrades but you could be waiting an awfully long time for something that may not offer you any more benefits than the Touch Diamond. Its size and weight will certainly be greater too.
As regards other networks, well in the UK there is no advantage of going to another network for your windows mobile devices as no-one offers as much choice as T-Mobile, nor as good a package as Web n Walk.

leoni1980 said:
If you can cope without the external memory card slot then the Touch Diamond (MDA COMPACT 4) is definitely the one for you: particularly given that you currently use a non-qwerty MDA Compact 3. The interface looks superb and the only drawback seems to be the lack of a memory card slot. There is no flash on the camera either, but IMHO you wouldn't buy a Winmo device for its camera anyway as they're all crap!
Another advantage is that its release on the T-Mobile uk network is imminent.
The Raphael should also be released on T-Mobile given their record of releasing wizard and Magician upgrades but you could be waiting an awfully long time for something that may not offer you any more benefits than the Touch Diamond. Its size and weight will certainly be greater too.
As regards other networks, well in the UK there is no advantage of going to another network for your windows mobile devices as no-one offers as much choice as T-Mobile, nor as good a package as Web n Walk.
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The camera on my 9502 is excellent! Obviously not as good as an N95, but definately useable. I could happily take it on a day out instead of a camera.

"Also, the back is hideous and looks like it would be seriously uncomfortable in your pocket."
it's just paint it's not a real "diamon" crystal shape

Thanks for all your replies!!!
Cheers All for your comments - as a matter of interest, does size matter? I know the qwerty keyboards are bigger and bulkier but are they worth it?????????? what extra do you get ?
Cheers Again
Daddy

as a matter of fact i've been using the fingertouch onscreen keyboard most of the time with my universal, however if you do a lot of typing it's very useful to be able to turn to a qwerty keyboard. from experience of owning a Universal, Athena and Tytn 2 i would say that the tytn 2's keypad easily beats the Athena's mushy and unlit metal jobby, though the Athena is the best for touchscreen typing owing to the screen size and shape of the device. if you only send quick texts, and quick email responses and you're not bothered about expanding the memory of your device beyond 4gb then i'd say the Touch Diamond is the perfect upgrade for you. let's face it, if you're happy with your mda compact 3 is it really worth taking the chance of a bigger or vastly different device when you've got a natural upgrade(the Diamond) already around the corner waiting for you? it might not be to everyone's taste but the Diamond DOES look like a slick and capable bit of kit which you could do no harm by trying out.

Cheers Leoni, just ordering my HTC Touch now. thanks for all your help!
Regards
Daddy

HTY vs. HTC??

Hi,
I was looking online for an unlocked HTC T4242 Iolite / Cruise 2009 phone and came across this link for a nearly exact copy
http://cgi.ebay.com/HTY-T4242-Windo...ones?hash=item5633d3c7c9&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14
Check it out yourself...Google HTY Cell phones.
Any thoughts, experiences, etc? Stay away?
Thanks,
m0

well its running winmo 6.1 & tf2d.. I Would say for 240 american that is a pretty good price for what may be carbon copy..

malloy0 said:
Hi,
I was looking online for an unlocked HTC T4242 Iolite / Cruise 2009 phone and came across this link for a nearly exact copy
http://cgi.ebay.com/HTY-T4242-Windo...ones?hash=item5633d3c7c9&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14
Check it out yourself...Google HTY Cell phones.
Any thoughts, experiences, etc? Stay away?
Thanks,
m0
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I have no experience with the imitation, but stay away from any copy
There is no better than the original HTC

orb3000 said:
I have no experience with the imitation, but stay away from any copy
There is no better than the original HTC
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You probably pay a lot of money for a plain brick when you buy this.
I would say stick to HTC. (also saw HTC Diamond clone on internet last week, it was not even running on Windows Mobile).

My 2 cents/opinions. maybe help buyers-beware
cons
+ Internal electronics is different. OE HTC roms r no good for the HTY. (so, who knows where to find rom support specially with 6.5 pop'n up all over the place)
+ came with a Plain Jane WM6.1 English. No TF2d, GPS app, etc.. even though advertised.. Basically you'll have to locate all the apps and troubleshoot to get them to work since the hardware is different.
+ Some optional apps were on the 2g micro sd. but they were in Chinese.
+ Touch Screen/ Digitizer is a little thin and fragile. Seems like its easily creased. Noticeable at an angle in bright light.
+ Strange thing, it comes with what looks like an OE HTC cruise 09 manual. Useless, doesn't apply to the HTY.. why did they bother.. also, came in a generic box.
+ Wifi is weak. 1 bar strenth where my wizard got 3 bars.
+ No Navigation scroll wheel on the HTY like the HTC has. You can spot the difference by the button size. the HTY has a smaller round button than the HTC.
+ GPS fix takes looooooggggg...
+ the hook where you can attach a wrist leash is plastic
+ Basically, don't even consider thinking your getting an HTC Iolite. These are 2 totally different devices even though they look the same.
pros
+ 624Mhz CPU. pretty quick.. snaps and responds promptly navigating through apps
+ came with 2 batteries, headset, case, car and ac power adapters, useless cd and htc manual (those things don't apply to the hty, again why bother and waste materials)
+ Housing is pretty sold. Really not bad quality. (minus the touch screen)..
+ Battery life is good
+ very compact. Doesn't make your pocket bulg
Personally for me, if i knew what i know now i probably would have gotten a like/new used Fuze. The fuze has issues but so does this HTY. It seems more logical to deal with the fuze that has way way way more features and xda dev support at about the same price as that ebay posting. not to mention the awesome vga screen.
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Update: Removed -> "recommend this phone". Learning that there is too much troubleshooting to get it to function they way it should function based on it's specs.

Update..
Internal GPS really sux.. basically useless.. can't get a fix or takes extremely long.. 20+ mins. totally totally impractical..
Horrible screen in sun light. Can't see the screen at all in the car when trying to use the NAVi...
Change'n my mind.. I would not recommend this phone if your intent was to purchase one with internal GPS...
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Update: Found the GPS fix. posted the info here -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=525336&page=10
Still, beware if your thinking of purchasing this thing.. your gunna spend your hard earned money on a brand new item only to have to modify it to get it to work.. hope these posts inform people.

Update on the digitizer
The touch screen/ digitizer doesn't crease easily as i mentioned earlier. I took the phone apart and found out that its just poor quality (IMO). maybe a bad batch, i don't know.. the digitizer still functions great as it should. it just has a few depressions that gives it a wavy look on the reflective edges. really only noticeable at an angle in bright light. not too much of a big deal, but thought people should be aware if they were thinking of getting one of these devices

ms9, you're funny, why get a ****ty phone for 240 USD when you can get a used Fuze for that...
Fuze has better EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!

poetryrocksalot said:
ms9, you're funny, why get a ****ty phone for 240 USD when you can get a used Fuze for that...
Fuze has better EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!
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yeah... i know.. didn't do my research.. was in a rush.. didn't even get my hands on a fuze until after i bought the thing.. the fuze is nice.. kicked myself for a min after i held it. whats done is done.. its do'en its job as a phone and gps 4 now..
btw.. i agree this phone is definately not worth 240. i wouldn't get one at that price either.. not going to say how much i found it for.. no need to encourage promote'n it..
hope'n people can learn from what i posted..

Well HTY vs. HTC update...
Like much of the feedback, I did not trust the HTY, so I bought a HTC Touch Cruise 2009 from selectgsm.com and hope, pray that they are reputiable (sp?) and it gets here next week.
Net step...sell my Fuze and my LG Incite to recoup the $450 USD and then wait for cmonex and olipro to work their hard-spl magic, then some great chefs to cook a super fast, stable wm6.5 rom.
Thanks to all and everyone for the advice.
Over and out...
m0

http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/top_10_chinese_rip_offs.php
same deals

malloy0 said:
Well HTY vs. HTC update...
Like much of the feedback, I did not trust the HTY, so I bought a HTC Touch Cruise 2009 from selectgsm.com and hope, pray that they are reputiable (sp?) and it gets here next week.
Net step...sell my Fuze and my LG Incite to recoup the $450 USD and then wait for cmonex and olipro to work their hard-spl magic, then some great chefs to cook a super fast, stable wm6.5 rom.
Thanks to all and everyone for the advice.
Over and out...
m0
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Why are you getting rid of Fuze?