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Adding the i780?

Hi all, just as a matter of curiosity, why hasnt the samsung sgh i780 been added to the forums (i know there are people who have added stuff for the i780 here - there just isnt a link from the main page to a forum specifically for the i789)?
I know the forums are generally htc/treo targeted but the i780 is a windows mobile based device which out weighs the tytan 2 in many respects and performs well as a pda/ppc, surely it would be of interest to many to see what rom updates etc you guys could come up with for this great device from the first page?
I am a wizard owner and am upgrading to the i780 - hence the "mandatory" blowing of its horn. I would love to see what you guys come up with as i never make a move on my wizard without first reading up on it here, it would be a pity to start tinckering with the i780 without first cross referencing here on XDA

This is a forum for htc devices only, people have asked for i780 forum before also, but as i said this forum is just for htc devices. You have to look somewhere else for samsung i780 forum (check my signature).

Hmmm... i always thought it was more for windows mobile devices as opposed to focusing on a single brand of phone, cant complain though - everything here is still awesome.
Thanks Sammy, i think this is the first reply i have ever gotten on xda, hence mu low post count . Im checking out your sig now. Thanks again

hmmm, windows mobile is becoming a standard on alot of devices now. maybe they should consider adding a section for other brands since everyone ends up here on this site anyway.
Not to mention at the moment other brands have posts and threads all over the show making it all very messy.
They can simply add a section and call it : Non HTC brands ... will certainly keep the forum neater.
Maybe someone should make a poll and put some pressure on the guys to do it ?

Well, even though i had given up the query i am still inclined to feel that there isnt any reason phones like the i780 arent a featured device.
Sammy said:
This is a forum for htc devices only
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Fair enough, but no explanation as to why XDA describes itself as
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Community of XDA developers for programming and modding of PDA Cellphone hybrids
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Doesnt make much sense, it almost implies that htc, palm and treo are the "only" true hybrids... Dont know about anyone else but my i780 whips most of em and makes for a pretty realistic hybrid of phone and pda.
Such as it is though, i am still very appreciative of the people on xda, a lot of time and effort goes into their work - for htc's and whatever else the mobile world pumps out. So essentially if they dont want to waver from pure htc then who am i to argue. Hence i suggested and dropped it.
- by the by, any admins reading this... how do i change my screen name?

yes i would agree with a general samsung phone as there are a few of us here among the HTC user. btw HTC made the hardware for the Palm treo 750 that is why there is a forum for it here.

Along the same lines, Samsung is responsible for the processors in most htc devices.
Im glad someone agrees with me though, even a general "click here for samsung stuff" would be great.

I have a htc like you but I would not be against the idea of a section for other brands

If xda-developers admins dont want to add non HTC devices then how about this: Create brand new site that will host a forum for all these devices. Then just ask the admin to add one dummy category that will guide all non HTC users to the unofficial xda-developers forum.
The problem is there are too many other forums. For example modaco – there are categories for different devices but ROM cookers keeps releasing on xda-devs. I like they are relesing it here but sometimes it's hard to find among all the HTC topics.

moneytoo said:
If xda-developers admins dont want to add non HTC devices then how about this: Create brand new site that will host a forum for all these devices. Then just ask the admin to add one dummy category that will guide all non HTC users to the unofficial xda-developers forum.
The problem is there are too many other forums. For example modaco – there are categories for different devices but ROM cookers keeps releasing on xda-devs. I like they are relesing it here but sometimes it's hard to find among all the HTC topics.
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Lol... yeah, i have checked out modaco a few times but the reality of it is that they are just adding links through to xda. Doesn't really help the cause. The thing that makes a forum like this so great is that there are so many dedicated developers "HERE" - why would they want to go somewhere else It is weird however that the developers are obviously interested in developing for other hybrids, so why haven't any of them posed the question? surely its disappointing to see your hard work disappear under tons of "i need a great headset" and "my phone got wet" posts?

Well, i made a poll on weither or not we should have a non HTC section, please go cast your vote there. this way Admin can actually see how many of us there are that use other brands and might change their minds ...
go vote here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=417812

We have been trying for ages to get them to do this, it is not going to happen. Trust me.
Thanks for trying though.
Rob

I guess we should be happy they dont delete the thousands of posts in Samsung/HP/Dell/Acer/... cooked ROM threads.

unofficial imate forum discussion

Does anybody want unofficial imate forum where you can discuss freely about anything. I have recently seen there are good number of people buying imate devices, and for them there are no place to hang around, even xda doent support it. So what i was thinking that there should be someplace for imate user (like htc here) to chat freely about there devices. Well my brother has hosting business thats why hosting for me is no problem. Well i will open a new forum solely for imate devices if i have good number of people to support me.
Any one who wants the forum should post here and i will see if there are good number of people wanting an unofficial imate forum i will start one.

I would suggest you don't just limit it to i-mate. This is a great site but it lets itself down by supporting only HTC devices. Like I-mate, there are many other WM manufacturers out there such as ASUS, Gigabyte, Toshiba, Samsung etc .....
Why not create a Windows mobile Forum that supports all hardware manufacturers? I'd register for it!
There is no reason it can't complement this site and link back to it for HTC specific support.

Monty Burns said:
I would suggest you don't just limit it to i-mate. This is a great site but it lets itself down by supporting only HTC devices. Like I-mate, there are many other WM manufacturers out there such as ASUS, Gigabyte, Toshiba, Samsung etc .....
Why not create a Windows mobile Forum that supports all hardware manufacturers? I'd register for it!
There is no reason it can't complement this site and link back to it for HTC specific support.
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I have for that purpose opened a all in one phone forum. checkout my signature. Hope to see you there.
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Anyways guys please post if you want a imate forum.

Dedicated forums area for the Zest?

Hello:
I now have a zest - courtest of my wife on my Birthday. I know it is made by ASUS, does anyone know the model? Data on it seems a bit sparse....
Is there likey to be a dedicated area for this PDA on the fornt page of XDA-dev's (like the ones for the wallaby, blue angel etc)? If not, is there any area in particular on the site, where post about this model can be found?
Thanks

I will like to know it also.

only htc made devices get their own forum rules of the site i'm afraid

Rudegar said:
only htc made devices get their own forum rules of the site i'm afraid
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Out of interest: I know historically it has been HTC units that get threads, however, the site is called 'XDA-developers' (not 'HTC-developers') and the zest, even though made by ASUS, is being sold badged as an XDA.....

xda atom is currently the only non htc made device that have it's own forum
why it got it and other o2 devices called xda don't i can't tell you
i don't make the rules
but this forum get money from donations to get server power and space
and the more spec forums and hits from owners it gets the more of a problem
because donations is not really that big an income ask the common beggar
as it is the forum is already often struggling to keep up with the nr of users at rush hour as it is
mind you i say this as my take on it not anything official as i'm just a mod not really
mixed up in such things

flar say the atom got a forum got a because they made it before they realised they were non htc.
as for the zest if you can pm me with the full name (not ythe xda name then ill create a space for it on my forum in my sig

icarusbop said:
Out of interest: I know historically it has been HTC units that get threads, however, the site is called 'XDA-developers' (not 'HTC-developers') and the zest, even though made by ASUS, is being sold badged as an XDA.....
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Historicly all XDAs where from HTC (their own line was called qtek back in the days).
This board was created back in '03 due to dismay from the lack of service HTC gave, there where lots of bugs in the ROMs (some things never change ) and some smart people found out how to get rid of some bugs, and even how to flash the phones.
(no kitchen tools, no packages, just perl scripts and a lot of time..)
XDA-developers grew (in devices and in members), and the XDA brand-name also got popular (due to T-mobile), nowadays a multitude of devices are called XDA, even non HTC produced devices, but that doesn't change the fact that we always have been an HTC only forum.
The one exception: the xda atom was sort of an mistake (initial misinformation), but it was never corrected.
However, look @ HTC which is releasing a massive ammount of devices. It's allmost impossible to also keep up with other devices (just take a look at the quantity of devices allready on this board).
Also check the current active users, and then imagine what that would be if we allow other brands to have their own forum.
The bandwidth would be enormous, and since nobody wants to pay or to donate to this board it would simply die: death by success..
Regards,
EquinoXe

Hi,
I've just got a XDA Zest too. Shame there isn't a section here...
Does anybody know if there is a site for the XDA zest ?
If there are any rom updates or cooked roms about?
Thanks
Gibbo

[Poll] New "Android only" forum?

These past weeks I've noticed an increase of irrelevant threads and clutter being made in regards to Android development in the HTC Dream forum and every other Android development forum on xda. A lot of Android devices out on the market now are not made by HTC. This of course is causing a problem since this forum is for HTC devices only.
Maybe it would be a good idea if a new forum was created that accounts for all native Android devices (Motorola Droid/Milestone, Motorola Cliq/Dext, Samsung Galaxy, etc...). That way, a lot of the clutter would surely be resolved and a considerate load would be taken off of this server (Gotta hate the horrible load on xda these days...).
I'm sure there are quiet a few people on here that have an HTC device and are fully satisfied with it (Me included!). That doesn't mean that everyone else has to feel the same way. People that choose to go with Samsung, Motorola, etc. for their next Android device should not be left out. That's why I believe there should definitely be a forum that serves everyone.
To put up a new forum specifically for this matter takes no time at all, but it does take participation. So if you feel like this is something you would like to see, please feel free to leave a comment.
What are you're opinions on this matter? Agree? Disagree?
Discuss.
If there's enough people interested in this project, would there be anyone willing to help getting things started in terms of hosting space or something similar?

Sorry, I misunderstood "a new forum was created that accounts for all native Android devices" to mean that a new subforum on XDA should be made, so I voted no. Upon reading it again, I realized you meant to create an independant Android specific site, which I would actually be in favor of. So while I can't change my vote officially, you should know that one of the "No" votes should actually be considered a "Yes" vote.

Yea, sorry. I meant that there should be a completly new forum for all android devices (not a subforum on xda). Thanks for your vote!
Like I mentioned before, there are definitely more people who agree than those who disagree. Only problem will be to spread the word I guess.

I think XDA-Developers needs to be divided into a Windows Mobile and an Android section and those need to be further divided into HTC and non-HTC ones.
With more and more Android devices, and rising competition for HTC from Samsung, Motorola, Sony Ericsson etc., XDA-Developers cannot stay WM-focused and HTC-only without becoming irrelevant and losing its no.1 status for everything concerning WM and Android development.
EDIT: OR make independent, but linked together, sites for WM and Android and for different manufacturers.

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EDIT: OR make independent, but linked together, sites for WM and Android and for different manufacturers.
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That's what I'm thinking as well.

I forsee good things to come from this. Or the thread just being closed.
There needs to be a WinMo forum and Android Forum that are both linked from the home page.

I would be all for this, and would be more than happy to fund the project. Hosting, domain fees, coding ect..

I agree completely. It's also annoying to see various large Android Community sites popping up, which deal with everything android, including all models, which includes HTC models... because they are invading the "mindshare", if you will, of "where does one go to get best development and mod info for android OS phones?" ... When the first Android devices were only HTC, this was not an issue, as HTC was correctly housed here and had Android devices forums added.
But yes, the whole touchscreen marketplace has erupted and fractured in the last 6 months, and it would be a bad thing, in my view, if XDA were to become relegated to a "boutique" site, that was great with SOME andorid devices, but AWOL on others.. And as the original poster notes, there is only bound to be more and more cross-device discussion and innovation developments for the whole android platform.
my 3 cents...
maati said:
I think XDA-Developers needs to be divided into a Windows Mobile and an Android section and those need to be further divided into HTC and non-HTC ones.
With more and more Android devices, and rising competition for HTC from Samsung, Motorola, Sony Ericsson etc., XDA-Developers cannot stay WM-focused and HTC-only without becoming irrelevant and losing its no.1 status for everything concerning WM and Android development.
EDIT: OR make independent, but linked together, sites for WM and Android and for different manufacturers.
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So are most of you in favor that an independent site for Android-only devices should be made (WinMo-only devices could also be added later on to another section).
Or do you think that xda should try to change their forum around so that it will fulfill our needs?

Bavilo said:
So are most of you in favor that an independent site for Android-only devices should be made (WinMo-only devices could also be added later on to another section).
Or do you think that xda should try to change their forum around so that it will fulfill our needs?
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I'm totally new to Android; have not even purchased my HERO yet. So take this with a grain of salt... but to me, I think the train already left the station... In the past three weeks as I have investigated HTC Hero, I have encountered 4 or 5 rather substantial communities already built around Android.... I will just list a few of them. Being truthful, there have been very few poll participants here... and it may well be the case that what you are envisioning as a resource already exists -- it's just not here.
So, to me, you either have to (A) turn the whole mothership around (XDA-devs) and try to make a case for why non-HTC devices should fit in more officially here (they are already accomodated "unofficially" and have been for quite some time on the WinMo side -- with tons of questions asked in many a forum about "What about the Omnia? can you release that for Omnia?" and same for Sony Xperia, as just two examples....
or (B) bridge-out to one or more of the communities already developed around modding Android phones... (but again, I am prob the wrong person to comment since I am brand new to Android... )
http://androidforums.com/
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/index.php
http://forum.androidcentral.com/
http://modmygphone.com/forums/

To me, most of those sites just feel like user communities but not any real development like here at XDA.

narunetto said:
To me, most of those sites just feel like user communities but not any real development like here at XDA.
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That's exactly what I want to change. And thanks to Craiger22 this might be possible very soon!

I do think this site needs to drop it's HTC bias to be honest. It makes choosing a new handset quite horrible. On one hand HTC devices get software support on this forum (which is still the best out there). But on the other hand there are some very nice non-HTC devices coming up. It makes choosing a handset a lot harder.
Fair enough if there's some sort of official affiliation with HTC, I can understand that. But is it not just some nostalgic bias relating to the origins of this site? That's the way I understand it anyway.
Personally there's no HTC hardware I want right now and I think that it's a shame that when I replace my X1 I will (if the HTC hardware situation remains similar to how it is now) wind up leaving this community.

XDA open for non HTC devices? what you think?

With the posibility on the air of opening XDA for non HTC devices, what is your opinion?
Should this go ahead?
Or should we stay only with HTC?
This poll will help Admin & Owners to see what is members opinions, which are very important!
So please vote
See what´s happening here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5335158
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=616206

I'm quite interested about this (of course there aren't too many votes yet, but we'll see)...what do people have against non-XDA phones? If we can maintain the same set of quality ROMs and information, what's the objective?
The XDA admins are beginning to experiment with some non-XDA sections (of course sticking with WinMo and Android), so I hope everything continues to move in that direction.

We should stay HTC. There are a ton of users as it is, and while more would be great, xda is slow now, think of it later. I would love to have other manufacturers, but it works about the same if they are all grouped into the general forum. Or everyone could just have HTC manufacture their device and be done with it.

I would like XDA-Devs to open to also non-HTC-devices. There are several non HTC-devices that are also very interesting, like for instance Xperia X2, Samsung, Toshiba, etc..

Why not? .. unless the traffic could be compromised, otherwise i dont see why not having other WinMo devices sections, like Samsung , Toshiba, and Other windows mobile devices

Besides my HTC phone, I also have a WM Samsung device, and it`s great I can find good info for it here too. So if you can handle the extra users, why not? There are many great smartphone devices from other manufacturers, let`s give them a chance. Competition makes the world evolve.

Of course , yes. I don't have anything against HTC, as 5 of my six WM phones have been HTC but I feel we are more a user community which does not need to be distinguished and divided based on manufacturers.
Also, I feel it will lead to better phones from HTC. Reason, simple - if other brands are allowed here, more people will buy those brands owing to better support leading to increased competition for HTC. Eventually, as users we will get more technology for less

no point of having this post or poll as xda is already a open forum for windows mobile all the while
the name 'xda' came from O2 Xda product line on touchscreen & powered by windows.
when xda atom came along from O2 asia, its already known that its not a htc product but its still listed here.

Not yet...
Not yet. To this date we are still an HTC devices forum, the discussion is open for including non HTC devices and this poll was created to help Owners and Admin to feel the pulse of the members, so it´s important to know what is members opinion

orb3000 said:
Not yet. To this date we are still an HTC devices forum, the discussion is open for including non HTC devices and this poll was created to help Owners and Admin to feel the pulse of the members, so it´s important to know what is members opinion
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its is only u who always bring this up

Tabbe said:
its is only u who always bring this up
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Somebody has to do it
If I´m doing something wrong take for sure Mods will let me know

Keep it to WM & Android. Maybe try one other than HTC device forum first before adding others. Then phase them in slowly. To make sure it doesn't get over crowded or unproductive!

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no point of having this post or poll as xda is already a open forum for windows mobile all the while
the name 'xda' came from O2 Xda product line on touchscreen & powered by windows.
when xda atom came along from O2 asia, its already known that its not a htc product but its still listed here.
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That was actually a mistake made by the admins, and they deemed it unfair to remove the forum after they realized their error. If you notice, other O2 XDA models not made by HTC don't have forums here.

I hope they do decide to go for it. Sure, there are other forums for other manufacturers devices, but NONE of them are even remotely as good as this one.
Take the Acer M900 device as an example. On the ETEN users forum, some ROMS came out for that device, one of which had been built blind, but the chef didn't tell anyone that little tidbit. Now, anyone that burned that ROM is hosed with burning official ROMS as you just get a "ROM Incompatible" error. The only way now is to edit the "magic byte" to burn a ROM, any ROM. Still no fix for it.
If that had happened here, a fix would have been around by now...

It shouldn't even be a question. Who cares which company made the device? If people need help and this forum can do that, then I fail to see why it shouldn't. While I personally prefer HTC devices, I'm open to other being helped in any way possible.
In my opinion, XDA's first non-HTC device should be the Droid.

DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
That was actually a mistake made by the admins, and they deemed it unfair to remove the forum after they realized their error. If you notice, other O2 XDA models not made by HTC don't have forums here.
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and thats my point, why restrict since by using "xda" and not 'htc'

I hope so
Cuz I am in the mood for a samsung B7620. Not because it is so beautiful, it is completely ugly and I hate Armani, but I realy like the specs on that device. The biggest problem however is the lak of a community like XDA. As HTC is not bringing out any high end devices with qwerty and winmo, TP2 was just a makeover, I feel forced into other directions.

I say stick with HTC. Because once this forum becomes something like Howard Forums, I'm going to leave it forever.
I believe now that forums should be specific to manufacturer, or else chaos and confusion will ensue.

poetryrocksalot said:
I say stick with HTC. Because once this forum becomes something like Howard Forums, I'm going to leave it forever.
I believe now that forums should be specific to manufacturer, or else chaos and confusion will ensue.
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by adding sub forum, what confusion & chaos will it cause to you to leave this forum?
anyway the poll result has the answer

I agree that this forum should include sections for non-HTC WM (and maybe android) devices.
I currently own a samsung jack and it, along with its predecessors - the blackjacks, are probably the most popular non-touchscreen WM phones. Yet they have no dedicated section.
Sever less popular phones on the other hand do have their own sections.
I see very little distinction between any WM phone manufacturers - the software is mostly what matters right?
And I would love it if my Jack had the kind of support my old Gene had around here.