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Large program memory?

Is there a hack for 'large program memory, rather than 'big storage'? Or is it the same thing?
Thanks for any advice, M

Program memory and storage memory is shared- BigStorage releases the previously unusable storage, therefore increasing program and storage memory.
Just use the slider to dedicate more memory to programs...although this auto adjusts itself as and when required.

Thanks that makes BIG storage worth trying. For now I got a only around 35 MB free, with all apps in storage folder and sd-card. Trying to move even more executables from ram to storage or sd. Works fine uptill now.
Sincerely, M

Try memmaid as well to move dlls and executables from \windows\ to storage.
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Will give a try, but apps like album and camera (both approximately 500K) saved me a lot of ram. I noticed that the default album and camera are in rom, so don't take any ram, though visibke in windiws folder.
Gr. M

BIG-storage try didn't work out. After the flash back of the changed (MKS method) rom, the device stays black and will only go into bootloader. This last saved my device I guess. I tried a restore with the original 1.13 shipped rom and got the device back. Unfortunately I lost my storage folder in this and ext-rom still exists. Is there a way to get the storage folder back? Even with ext-rom is acceptable.
Thnx byba very sad M.

Boot loader magician
OLTP, I had the same problem (only boot loader working and after reinstalling 113 storage gone ), I simply tried reinstalling again and got storage back. I also did a soft reset immediately after first boot after reinstalling 113, so before the programs in extended rom would install. This freed about 25MB working memory although extended rom is still -of course- not editable. I only installed the camera and ended up with a lean magician, and no GPRS bug.

Thnx Mozart,
Will give it another try. I think you mean you installed twice the 1.13 shipped rom? Cause I tried the SD flas twice with no result, a very dead and empty magician. I did do the soft-reset before the ext-rom would autoexec and that didn't help.
So olpnly question now is, did you do the SD flash twice or the upgrade with shipped 1.13 after the failed SD flash.
Thnx in advance, M
Ps. glad I am not the only one with this problem.

I tried the SD-method 3 times, then gave up, and then reinstalled T-Mobiles latest (1.13) rom. I had to use MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe to do this, by the way...., because the SD-flash had ruined the ID of my magician. It is still ruined, but at least my magician is alive and well.

Too bad, I tried the shipped rom for the third time now and still no storage. For the rest my magician is OK. Did not have to use the noid upgrade patch or anything like it. Though the shipped rom claims the device is empty. When I find a decent extracted rom I will try again.
Sincerely, M

Roms, hard resets and windows mobile.

Hi, I'm looking for more info on how the memory is partitioned between storage and programs. I don't quite understand how a hard reset is equivalent to a reinstall, and how it works.
Is there a site or book with more information on this? Any help or pointer would be greatly appreciated!

a pocketpc have ram and rom
rom is read only memory
the os is located in rom
and storage and application memory is in ram
how much you want to have free for application ram
and how much you want to use as storage is up to you using the memory slider
a hardreset or too long without batt
clear the ram leaving the os which is in rom
as the only thing on the pocketpc
which is why it's the same thing as a reinstall
because all the stuff you put on it are gon
leaving what the maker of the device put in the rom
but with 2005 things have changed a bit
here some of the flash rom is used for storage
and all ram is used for application memory
(though buzz and the lads made it so some of the ram can be used for stroage on older HTC devices which otherwise only have 32MB)
here a hardreset dont mean a reinstall
if you want to clear the device to default you have to format
the storage from inside the bootloader

I think what he meant is the one shown in "Settings"->"Memory"->"Main"
Think of the "Storage" as the hardisk of your PC and "Program" as the RAM of your PC. For WM5, when you soft reset your unit, the "Program" memory will be cleared off and program will be loaded again into this "Program" memory.
As for the "Storage", it is the `hardisk` where you have your OS installed. The OS is kept in the ROM (which I don't think is part of the "Storage"), and it is installed into your "Storage" everytime you perform a hard reset. (e.g. the "Storage" will be wipe clearn upon a hard reset). Anything that you do, e.g. edit file, add contact, etc. will be recorded/saved into this "Storage".

Thanks for the replies. So what I see when I browse the device, including the 'windows' folder, that's a copy of the operating system, and the original master copy is in the ROM?
So theoretically, I could go and delete the whole windows folder, perform a hard reset, and everything would be fine?
Has anyone already tried to see what could be reasonnably removed from the windows folder in order save 'storage' space?
Cheers!

no whats in the windows dir is the os which is stored in the rom
you cant remove things in the rom

no whats in the windows dir is the os which is stored in the rom
you cant remove things in the rom

I'll reply to my own question in order to close this thread and make it useful to others:
(from pocketpcdubai)
The Universal comes with 128MB ROM and 64MB RAM as compared to its predecessors who had the exact opposite.
The 128MB ROM is divided into 2 parts:
1) OS + Extended ROM (around 84MB)
2) Storage (remaining 43.5MB as shown above
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And this:
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/11/17/494177.aspx

once and for all: DOES RAMDISK lose info on soft reset?

ive been to all types of WM 5 ROMS and currently im on Virgy Build.
BUT in all WM5 ROM i have, all boasting of PERSISTENT STORAGE, i noticed that when i install APPLICATIONS on RAMDISK, when i SOFT RESET, everything installed on RAMDISK IS ERASED and VANISHED.
so does RAMDISK retain all its info ON SOFT RESET?

softreset yes
hardreset no

Maybe because you have a keyboard fault. try checking your keyboard for problems. as far as i know, soft reset will definately erase everything on a ramdisk. thats why it is called a ramdisk. go google for the meaning of ramdisk.

RAM disk
No, when i soft reset or hard reset my device the data in the RAM disk still maintain, nothing will be erase.

yes, i'm curious too. what is the point of having big ramdisk when it will be easily removed after changing my battery. haha! take this for example "WM2005 AKU3.2 page pool size-24MB RAMDisk-40MB for Himalaya" by C_Shekar, this is a very good rom but when you store programs on that 40 mb ramdisk and you change your battery everything in there is erased. what i do is backup its contents so that i can restore it later. the main memory, the persistent storage which is around 30mb is ok, though. but is will be nice if that 40mb will also be a sort of persistent storage. thanks

gryffin said:
No, when i soft reset or hard reset my device the data in the RAM disk still maintain, nothing will be erase.
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same as mine!
~jojo~

Same to me: no data lost after soft/hard reset, and after battery xchange

Same with me, no data missing. I'm using c_shekhar ROM

great! so its with me and my unit. here's how i upgraded to wm5, i entered into bootloader mode, then upgraded it with wm5(different roms), then unlocked extended rom, then used hima doc tool. now, what could be the problem here? how can i have persistent storage in ramdisk. thanks!

WM 5 Rom, storage question

Hi people!
I pops this question here, use i know someone will know!
i want to change the storage allocation on my WM5 device. My device "storage" is full, but i still have storage left at "program".
Is there anyway that one can tweak etc that so i can have equal store=program??
My current allocation looks like this:
Storage: 14.5 MB, free 2.16 MB
Program: 61.0MB free 37.00MB
Wich makes it difficult to install programs on my device!!
Thanks in advance guys!!
Cheers!

^^rac said:
Hi people!
I pops this question here, use i know someone will know!
i want to change the storage allocation on my WM5 device. My device "storage" is full, but i still have storage left at "program".
Is there anyway that one can tweak etc that so i can have equal store=program??
My current allocation looks like this:
Storage: 14.5 MB, free 2.16 MB
Program: 61.0MB free 37.00MB
Wich makes it difficult to install programs on my device!!
Thanks in advance guys!!
Cheers!
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try this forum:
http://buzzdev.net/index.php?option=com_phorum&Itemid=125&phorum_query=read,26,6657
you can browse on the subject called persistent storage or ramdisk.
May I just suggest that after you successfully managed your ramdisk which means that a ramdisk folder appears and your storage total becomes 30+ (by the way, I think ramdisk and storage are the same) please do not install an upgrade for higher ramdisk as it becomes a problem of mine and the other user.
But if you insist to upgrade more and encountered a problem, please read below:
I don't know what happened to your storage card but I think I know for the ramdisk.
Well, I suggest that you hard reset your xdaII and do not install ramdisk software to increase ramdisk size. Based on my experience, after I installed the ramdisk 64, the size increased to 90+ but everytime I soft reset, the data I saved in it gets lost.
After hard resetting, the ramdisk came back to normal 30+, I found the lost previous data intact though.

storage problem. help pls

i upgraded my himalaya with wm5 helmis rom. my problem is its storage capacity. it only has 14 mb of storage. how am i going to extend its storage. is there any procedure for doing this? thanks.

http://www.buzzdev.net/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=132&func=fileinfo&id=125
or use another rom with more storage

i have the exact problem...16MB storage...always have 0.6MB free...can't install software...
tried to reduce the RAMDISK to 32 MB, program is increased, storage the same...

storage cant be inc it's flashrom and cant use the normal ram
but one can just install programs on RAMDISK it's faster then normal storage anyway it being ram (well ½ of it) and storage is flash

Use HIMA_DOC_TOOL v1.0 to increase the storage from 15 MB to 30 MB. Search the forum.

Thanks c_shekhar for your response. I searched around the forum, seems this extrom unlock has been discussed for years.
for my understand, need to run the ExtROM Tools to unhide/unlock extrom, then run the Hima_DOC_Tool_1.0 to merge storage and extrom. Now here is the question, I unhide the extrom successfully, can see it for 15.97MB, however the unlock does not work, it has the "blue square" icon and fails "Either it is not signed with a trustred certificate, or one of its components cannot be found".
Not sure this is a corrupted package or something missing from my ROM, the .rar opens fine, but the winrar reports .cab file is corrupted when trying to open it.
My ROM is 3.50c.40CS version...appreciate for your time to help!

Excellent, found the solution from buzz forum...i installed the unlocker to SD card that is why it faied...after re-installing to DEVICE, it works!!! got 30.5MB storage, very happy. Thanks guys.