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Maybe you should just cook your own rom

mlcohen said:
Maybe you should just cook your own rom
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My friend, you miss the whole concept of this thread. If I cooked my own ROM that would only help ME. If I released it to the public there would be many people who wanted to change this or change that. When an update came out I couldn't remove my old version, but would need to recook the whole ROM again with the updates. Granted, for those people who prefer to use a cooked ROM because it "saves them time" when reflashing, then by all means please continue to use a fully cooked ROM. However, I don't see the need to reflash my ROM every two weeks. I would much prefer to have the ability to simply add/remove a program to update it then cook a ROM.
In addition, this thread should prove useful to aspiring cooks becuase I hope to compile the information that would be necessary to take a lite/stock ROM and add to it the bits and pieces that each individual cook might find useful to suit his/her tastes.
So please, if you don't like the concept go lurk elsewhere. This thread is meant for people who support this idea, not nay sayers. If no one supports this idea, then i may have an empty thread, but I am not about to have a debate as to the merits of my idea.

so just install what you want on your lite rom. Everything is out there including Office and the camera stuff. If you really wanted to get crazy you could put it all in your UC

mlcohen said:
so just install what you want on your lite rom. Everything is out there including Office and the camera stuff. If you really wanted to get crazy you could put it all in your UC
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I realize it is all "out there" The purpose of this thread is to help compile it in one place and assist those who prefer to do it this way instead of using a cooked ROM. There are hundreds of threads devoted to "which is the best cooked ROM" and dozens upon dozens of them devoted to "how do I get APP A to work on this cooked rom, or APP B on other cooked ROM."
I believe the people who don't want to use these cooked ROMs should have a place to gather all their info, and hope this to be the place.
And with that being said, I don't plan to respond to any additional critiques of the concept. If you don't want to be a part of the solution then have fun elsewhere.
thanks.

bengalih said:
I realize it is all "out there" ......
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omg you have no idea......i just went through hell finding cab files and getting them to work on the weekend. THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!
i found a cool way of getting some cab files though.......older devices with less storage or with extended roms like the blue angel, the cooks usually provide cab files with their roms.
The worst part was getting the HTC apps to work, esp the multimedia apps.......a lot of the cab files, they just provide the executable and few stuff and the graphic files, but not the codecs that it needs to work. what i did was dump the at&t 6.1 rom and grabbed a bunch of codecs, somewhat works now, i'm missing some reg entries........i'm somewhat waaaaay over my head, but its fun learning this **** as i go along.
oh and i hate the fact that all these htc apps dump their graphic files in the windows directory, takes me forever to open that directory. i did find one or two versions of apps that didnt need them in the windows directory.

I like where this is going and want to see more. I am one of those people.
I like the dutty series. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=383638
Was one of my favorites but too much in it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=388947
The lite of this is the one I am using now.
For example. In the first link I do not want the HTC home, FM Radio etc. But this rom is FAST.
I really like the Hybrid I am using but I have the lite and really liked the MS Voice in from the full versions. I would like to take the games out add ms office and a few progies I use.
I nomintate
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=388947
I use the 1.64.08.21 radio version.

Two registry edits for touchscreen adjustments I find useful:
-Adjusting touch screen sensitivity (from GWENI)
-Adjusting the backlight level when device is locked
For both of these you will need a program to edit your device's registry, such as Mobile Reg Editor or PHM Reg Editor.
Adjusting Touch Screen Sensitivity
-open reg editor
-browse to to HKey_Local_Machine\Drivers\TouchPanel
-change key "PressureThreshold" to "5000".
5000 is recommended, but you can play with the value until you find one you prefer.
Adjust Backlight level while device is locked
-open reg editor
-browse to HKey_Current_User\ControlPanel\Backlight\LockLevel
-change key "LockLevel" from "0" to any number between 1-10.
For this one I have mine set at 5. 10 is the brightest. Adjust to your personal preference.

finch said:
I like where this is going and want to see more. I am one of those people....
I nomintate
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=388947
I use the 1.64.08.21 radio version.
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Thanks for the vote of encouragement.
I would assume that you meant the lite ROM from Dutty's latest? I am a fan of the Dutty ROMs and have not yet tried out the latest "lite" version. I couldn't find out on the main page what exactly was IN the "lite" version. Can you post that info here, or a direct link?
So we have our first contender (awaiting more info) as Dutty's latest "lite" build.
Remember to all posters the idea here is to start with a good basic ROM that will allow us to customize ourselves (without being locked down to cooked in apps). Using something like Dutty's could be a good idea as his lite version should have many of his good tweaks built in. I would just like to get some more specific info as to what is in his lite ROM, as well as a few more nominations before we get the ball rolling.
Chances are what we come up with in this thread can be used with many of the ROMs out there, so we don't all have to agree on one. In fact, if we can nominate the top two or three lite/stock ROMs out there for people to experiment with that would be great.
Also, please remember to always check back on the first page for any updates.

marm0lade said:
Two registry edits for touchscreen adjustments I find useful:
-Adjusting touch screen sensitivity (from GWENI)
-Adjusting the backlight level when device is locked
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Great, fantastic marmOlade, this is exactly the type of things I want to see in terms of good tweaks that pretty much anyone would want to have.
I know most of these are out there posted (like in the excellent GWENI thread) and most like we will have a lot of cross-linkage going on there.
I hope to get a nice database of these tweaks and maybe either work with one of the developers to either make an updated kaiser-tweak program with many more entires, or possibly I can work on developing a PC-based app that would generate a registry file based on chosen options which can then be uploaded to the device. This way you can check-box off the tweaks you like and quickly update the device... that is down the road of course..but thanks for the initial contribution!

bengalih said:
Great, fantastic marmOlade, this is exactly the type of things I want to see in terms of good tweaks that pretty much anyone would want to have.
I know most of these are out there posted (like in the excellent GWENI thread) and most like we will have a lot of cross-linkage going on there.
I hope to get a nice database of these tweaks and maybe either work with one of the developers to either make an updated kaiser-tweak program with many more entires, or possibly I can work on developing a PC-based app that would generate a registry file based on chosen options which can then be uploaded to the device. This way you can check-box off the tweaks you like and quickly update the device... that is down the road of course..but thanks for the initial contribution!
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I believe all your kaiser tweaks can be found in kaisertweak and schap's advanced configuration. If you want to edit htc home, then home customizer works wonders. Not sure why you need a thread like this when you have all these tools.

thomassster said:
I believe all your kaiser tweaks can be found in kaisertweak and schap's advanced configuration. If you want to edit htc home, then home customizer works wonders. Not sure why you need a thread like this when you have all these tools.
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Thanks for that input thomassster. Yes I realize that many of these tweaks are included in some of the tweak programs out there (probably 80%?). Part of this here is to bring attention to them. Many of the tweaks are either already built into the cooked ROMs, or people don't necessarily know what they do just from their title. If we can compile here some better descriptions to help better understand what each tweak does, then for people who wish to customize their own devices from the ground up have a good compendium to look through.
Also, registry tweaks isn't all this thread is about. It is about how to add various applications that may have tricky ways of doing things into a compendium where people can find it easily.
For instance, it isn't always easy to get MS Voice command fully working, or Skype, or some GPS softwares. Currently if you want to use some of these programs you have two options:
1) Use a ROM that has these cooked in already.
2) Look through the forum until you find the solution.
Option #2 of course can be very time consuming as information is outdated and dispersed throughout the forums (some of it isn't even in the Kaiser forums). What I am hoping to do is bring this all together to assist all with some of the trickier apps (MSVC, cubes, etc...).
If you feel this is unnecessary, then please feel free not to visit, but I hope you will continue to provide beneficial input. I'll be sure to post your suggestions on the front (if you have more info to give, links and such are appreciated so I don't need to search myself!).
thanks.

I like the idea as all tweaks and tips are spread over thousands of threads.
I worked on collecting my owns long time ago and I think putting them in a new thread is not a big deal unless bengalih do the documentation of all posted tweaks and post them in one document and/or CAB in first post.
Or simply add them to wiki

msharaf said:
I like the idea as all tweaks and tips are spread over thousands of threads....
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Thanks for the vote of support. I am as much interested in getting some good descriptions, and many categorizing the tweaks. As many have pointed out most of the tweaks are out there and already included in some of the tweak programs. I would like to add to that by giving attention to exactly what the tweaks do, how they help us, and which ones are highly recommended.
For instance, you might use Dutty's ROM and like all the tweaks in there, while not even realizing what he has done. If you moved to a "lite" ROM you might miss those things, but not really know which tweak it is you need to perform... I hope to gather a good list of that type of info here.

Great!
I totally agree with what you say in your first post. Currently using latest Duttys ROM, but still feel i need something more custom made (by me) in other words i'd like to have a bigger input in what I use.
watching the thread....

Most cooked ROMs are bugged
What about starting with an official shipped ROM?, remove just stupid things like welcome center, customer feedback... everything else is needed.
Most cooked ROMS I've tried have things broken, I mean things that work on official stock ROM and not here.
Like Windows live, 3G call, QuickGPS, HTC album.. I usally do not spend more than a few hours with a cooked ROM before I find too many bugs and too many things that should be working and are not.
I can flash the ROM that came with my TyTN II and add a few cabs, and all work. Camera works, 3G video call works, GPS works, Tomtom works, Skype works... It's WM6.0, but things WORK. No missing icons, no missing buttons, no stupid buttons for hardware that it's not on the phone...
And, expecting those "go cook your own ROM" flames... this is looking a lot like the linux fanboys, I'm not a programmer or OS developer, I see someone announcing an OS and test it, and give my findings. No good if basic things do not work correctly and you have to search for registry tweaks to make something that you had before appear again, or work as in a stock ROM.

vcespon said:
What about starting with an official shipped ROM?, remove just stupid things like welcome center, customer feedback... everything else is needed.
Most cooked ROMS I've tried have things broken, I mean things that work on official stock ROM and not here.
Like Windows live, 3G call, QuickGPS, HTC album.. I usally do not spend more than a few hours with a cooked ROM before I find too many bugs and too many things that should be working and are not.
I can flash the ROM that came with my TyTN II and add a few cabs, and all work. Camera works, 3G video call works, GPS works, Tomtom works, Skype works... It's WM6.0, but things WORK. No missing icons, no missing buttons, no stupid buttons for hardware that it's not on the phone...
And, expecting those "go cook your own ROM" flames... this is looking a lot like the linux fanboys, I'm not a programmer or OS developer, I see someone announcing an OS and test it, and give my findings. No good if basic things do not work correctly and you have to search for registry tweaks to make something that you had before appear again, or work as in a stock ROM.
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I am using a cooked rom and dont have any bugs. Looks like u have tried the wrong roms. And dont forget that shiped roms dont have some customizations(which improve the performance) that the cooked roms have.

Chef Mentor Wanted...

hi, peeps.
Im having a play with some bits and pieces and think I get it. Wondered if a kind Chef would mind taking me under thier wing and giving me a few bits to play with eg partially created roms, ones that didnt work, ones that did, a couple of different roms and then get me to try and merge them etc.
Want to extract some existiing roms so I can learn how the bits all work. Yes I have read the tuts and guides. But I fancy having a foster chef help me get up to speed.
Soz if this is against the rules, I just fancy trying to be an apprentice first and learn from different roms what worked and what didnt, and more importantly, why. Also want to learn about these tweaks people make to the dlls etc.

that mentor would be the wiki.

the_passenger said:
that mentor would be the wiki.
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here here .

SlyTuk said:
hi, peeps.
Im having a play with some bits and pieces and think I get it. Wondered if a kind Chef would mind taking me under thier wing and giving me a few bits to play with eg partially created roms, ones that didnt work, ones that did, a couple of different roms and then get me to try and merge them etc.
Want to extract some existiing roms so I can learn how the bits all work. Yes I have read the tuts and guides. But I fancy having a foster chef help me get up to speed.
Soz if this is against the rules, I just fancy trying to be an apprentice first and learn from different roms what worked and what didnt, and more importantly, why. Also want to learn about these tweaks people make to the dlls etc.
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I b4 E except after C.... sorry, had to do it

added some urls
Im no mentor as I am strugling myself on getting first release stable, but I can provide whit some delicious urlz;
Alex's v5 Cooking Kits - last updated 2008-02-26
Cooking Guides for the Ultimate Noobs- Screencasts
Kaiser ROM Kitchen Tutorial
How to cook a ROM
OEM building tutorial
True PagePool Hack Tutorial
Diamond Apz & OEM
How to dump a ROM
How to reconstruct ROM
The Ultimate Radio Thread
All Extracted HTC Apps (cab & oem included)
Universal WM6 ROM Kitchen
XDA PagePool Patcher v1.4 for ALL Kaiser Rom Files (and Touch dual)
The NIKI / NEON Radio that Works w/ 1.65.xx.xx based ROM's 1.58.25.17
P1Taters 4share
Duttys 4 share
Ahmadashar stuff
RUU_Kaiser_HTC_WWE_3.28.405.0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.16.25_Ship
L26_Kaiser Diamond (Build 19588.1.1.4, full port!) Chefs friendly version!
Remove Clear Storage Icon in Settings <-- Good example of how to remove stock app.
Also search for DrJ video tutorials on kitchen and cooking. They are guud but didnt find the url. Got them stored on my laptop. // Edit: added to post
Hopefully some of this makes you going

raiisak said:
Im no mentor as I am strugling myself on getting first release stable, but I can provide whit some delicious urlz;
Kaiser ROM Kitchen Tutorial
How to cook a ROM
OEM building tutorial
True PagePool Hack Tutorial
Diamond Apz & OEM
How to dump a ROM
How to reconstruct ROM
The NIKI / NEON Radio that Works w/ 1.65.xx.xx based ROM's 1.58.25.17
P1Taters 4share
Duttys 4 share
Ahmadashar stuff
RUU_Kaiser_HTC_WWE_3.28.405.0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.16.25_Ship
L26_Kaiser Diamond (Build 19588.1.1.4, full port!) Chefs friendly version!
Also search for DrJ video tutorials on kitchen and cooking. They are guud but didnt find the url. Got them stored on my laptop.
Hopefully some of this makes you going
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Thanks raiisak, Its very refreshing to see someone who goes that bit further. I had seen some of those, but there are a few new links I hadnt come accross before.
Just bit the bullet and flashed my first rom It aint grear, but at least it works! Not getting the performance of Leo though, even though I used his core v4. Must try and see why.
To the "read the wiki" bregade, I confirm I had before I wrote this thread. Reason I asked for a mentor, is that is how I approach my work. For my employer, I have mentors, and I mentor others. Collaboration was what I thought forums and communities were all about - perhaps I was mistaken.
Once again, thank you to raiisak. No doubt Ill be in contact to see how you get on, as well as trying to learn with you if I can keep up

I'm not skilled as the elite, but I know how to cook my own roms. Here are some tips.
Watch all these videos. Then copy the videos.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372469
Start with this kit by Alex. Thats how I started.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Alex's Cooking Kits
After playing around with all these tools, download the kaiser 3.28 rom and strip out the bloatware. This is where the skills come in knowing all the reg keys belonging to what program and what files link to the program. These are all good tips for a good start. I wish you luck.

SlyTuk said:
Thanks raiisak, Its very refreshing to see someone who goes that bit further. I had seen some of those, but there are a few new links I hadnt come accross before.
Just bit the bullet and flashed my first rom It aint grear, but at least it works! Not getting the performance of Leo though, even though I used his core v4. Must try and see why.
To the "read the wiki" bregade, I confirm I had before I wrote this thread. Reason I asked for a mentor, is that is how I approach my work. For my employer, I have mentors, and I mentor others. Collaboration was what I thought forums and communities were all about - perhaps I was mistaken.
Once again, thank you to raiisak. No doubt Ill be in contact to see how you get on, as well as trying to learn with you if I can keep up
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Well I am glad it helped you a bit on the way, and I fully understand why you search a mentor. All the info on cooking are great untill you reach more advanced areas best explained by chefs who knows the deal or others who are contributing and developing.
I have a couple more for you:
Universal WM6 ROM Kitchen
XDA PagePool Patcher v1.4 for ALL Kaiser Rom Files (and Touch dual)
Others string of intrest is:
how to edit a .rgu
how to create a oem
how the build a package
Remeber L26 and other great chef`s rgu`s are heavy modified. Theyre roms are stripped and customized over and over. We deadly need to start fresh, learning the kitchen, again and again its stucked in mind and fingers. Then move on and add oure own packages editing those oem and flash, reflash and flash some more. Reading up on forum while you are cooking is a great thing as its wery time consuming. Doing it basic adding one by one is a great learning curve and great for bugtesting.
Lucky me I am under a great chefs wing and will be happy to provide/pass on some basic knowledge about cooking if you gets stuck youre first week
Just shout out or pm me and ill do my best.

thomassster said:
I'm not skilled as the elite, but I know how to cook my own roms. Here are some tips.
Watch all these videos. Then copy the videos.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372469
Start with this kit by Alex. Thats how I started.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Alex's Cooking Kits
After playing around with all these tools, download the kaiser 3.28 rom and strip out the bloatware. This is where the skills come in knowing all the reg keys belonging to what program and what files link to the program. These are all good tips for a good start. I wish you luck.
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Screencast is the vids of dr.j i was talking about. Legend! Good find, I added em to my post aswell as I planning to add everything I find usefull to it as I ride

raiisak said:
Screencast is the vids of dr.j i was talking about. Legend! Good find, I added em to my post aswell as I planning to add everything I find usefull to it as I ride
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WOW! Thanks dude...
That stock tool removal will be my next step.
My first cooked rom still hasnt died yet - I just bunged anyold crap in to see how it would look, and if it would work. The fact it even booted amazed me - and there are even some bits I like in there. - for example there are 2 start menus, one normal WM version, the other like a Desktop. Id never seen that before - Id always wanted to clean out a rom, then put some of my most used apps - Opera, RSS, PIE a couple of games or something. Now I might "play" more and think more outside the box... Dunno yet !
Edit: - when I say 2 Start menus, I mean at the same time, depending on where you click on, icon for detailed version, word for simple version.
Fanx again matey

SlyTuk said:
WOW! Thanks dude...
That stock tool removal will be my next step.
My first cooked rom still hasnt died yet - I just bunged anyold crap in to see how it would look, and if it would work. The fact it even booted amazed me - and there are even some bits I like in there. - for example there are 2 start menus, one normal WM version, the other like a Desktop. Id never seen that before - Id always wanted to clean out a rom, then put some of my most used apps - Opera, RSS, PIE a couple of games or something. Now I might "play" more and think more outside the box... Dunno yet !
Edit: - when I say 2 Start menus, I mean at the same time, depending on where you click on, icon for detailed version, word for simple version.
Fanx again matey
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Also if you going to do youre own stuff I recomend WinCE CAB Manager, unfort. its not free. But its a wery wery nice cab tool. I use it all the time to make my own tweaks as I flash faster than flash gordon himself and cant be arsed hack the reg manualy everythims. You can build a house in there, im sure of it. Anyways, you should check it out.

SlyTuk said:
WOW! Thanks dude...
That stock tool removal will be my next step.
My first cooked rom still hasnt died yet - I just bunged anyold crap in to see how it would look, and if it would work. The fact it even booted amazed me - and there are even some bits I like in there. - for example there are 2 start menus, one normal WM version, the other like a Desktop. Id never seen that before - Id always wanted to clean out a rom, then put some of my most used apps - Opera, RSS, PIE a couple of games or something. Now I might "play" more and think more outside the box... Dunno yet !
Edit: - when I say 2 Start menus, I mean at the same time, depending on where you click on, icon for detailed version, word for simple version.
Fanx again matey
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Hi
It is good to see a determined fellas that try to cook. I'm no cook and merely a average user... but if i'm not mistaken, the two start menu you talking about might be coming from qmenu (the one that look like desktop.. by desktop i assume you mean windows desktop and it is a cascading start menu). maybe the base you use already have it installed.

SlyTuk said:
Thanks raiisak, Its very refreshing to see someone who goes that bit further. I had seen some of those, but there are a few new links I hadnt come accross before.
Just bit the bullet and flashed my first rom It aint grear, but at least it works! Not getting the performance of Leo though, even though I used his core v4. Must try and see why.
To the "read the wiki" bregade, I confirm I had before I wrote this thread. Reason I asked for a mentor, is that is how I approach my work. For my employer, I have mentors, and I mentor others. Collaboration was what I thought forums and communities were all about - perhaps I was mistaken.
Once again, thank you to raiisak. No doubt Ill be in contact to see how you get on, as well as trying to learn with you if I can keep up
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well u may be my next mentor...
can you put links to post #1???
I'm sure if this will be nice summary in the end
thx

[Temporary Subject] asking all Chefs...

Hello fellow Chefs..
I know all of you are probably busy, but I hope you'll read this.
For few months I have this idea, which seems I can't do myself (mostly lack of time, as well as resources and knowledge of few things).
Since first time I read about UC, I knew what I wanted to do: a basic, simple ROM version, without *anything* added. Just plain OS, nothing else.
Basically it can be described in one sentence:
Less cooked-in, More by User.
Less is More.
The idea was the same as behind UC - let the USER customize it the way he wants during flashing or after every hard reset.
Call it "cooking without cooking"
I did it, but the time took me to finish it made it old and obsolete build.
I was going to do new one when I received 20748 from Akadonny, based on the same principle, but I realized it'll take me too much time again.
So here is passing the idea to you:
If you have some new good base, beside cooking your usual ROMs, perhaps consider making one small extra "basic" ROM?
You may ask why.
Well, you can see the answer in post of each and every ROM thread. Johnny wants NETCF3.5 cooked-in while 888 dont want it Johnny2 ask for game, Johnny3 asks to remove this, another wants that to be added and so on and on. You get the idea, I think
No one needs exactly the same features as another person.
Sure, continue making your own "custom-featured" ROMs with your selection of custom cooked-in add-ons (ie latest Garmin's ROMs with his own cool icons, or sakajati's cool looking ROM with cooked-in Manilla 2D). Many people have no slightest idea how to even change their wallpaper, so obviously all they want is "ready to go", fully pre-loaded and fully pre-configured ROM.
But also there are people who know how to use UC to its full extent, including loading their own settings XMLs and their own selection of software.
They don't need all those extra nifty perks you guys cook-in in every ROM.
And very often the settings you guys have cooked-in make problems for them. Don't misunderstand me here: it is great for most average people when you cook-in features they can't or don't know how to add. But not everyone needs it. Hence the idea - make an extra version of ROM, *without* all your usual extras, perks, and whistles, don't cook-in anything there, and let the user choose what to add with UC. Yes, I noticed that for some Chefs the art of cooking is some sort of competition - "I add this first, I do that better," and so on... well, making a "basic" ROM can be and is competitive as well! If you need "competing adrenaline" think of it that way: can you "shave" the base as much as other Chef and still have it fully working? Or maybe you can make it even smaller without sacrificing any functionality? (thats just example)
Anyways, I know it is doable.
And I know many people would thank you that
Whats more, cooking just a 'basic' ROM (without anything that can be installed later during UC) and relying on UC afterwards, makes it much better than spending time on setting up everything you would have cooked-in.
Why to do it?
Because once user have all his usual programs "moved" from having them cooked-in onto the Storage Card (and installed from there with UC), as well as all his settings etc in the XMLs on Storage Card, it is oh-so-damn-easy for every one to update their phone to the latest build version without loosing any of their programs, features or settings!
Lets say (this is just for example) that I have sakajati's latest 20749.1.4.0 build on my phone, but Garmin posted today newer 28000.1.5.0 build, so by flashing newest Garmin's ROM no one would loose any of their programs or settings they had on sakajati's ROM because they all would be installed again to Garmin's ROM with UC.
It would also eliminate dilemma users often have, like (again - its just example) "I like icons on Garmin's ROM, stability of sakajati's ROM and the way my GPS works so fast on XyZ's ROM, too bad I can't have all of them in one". Well, it is possible actually, but it takes Chef's to swallow a bit of our pride
Wouldn't it be great?
All it takes is Chefs making "on the side" extra lean/small/basic/whaetever-you-call-it version of their ROM, and accompany them with extended cabs packages rather than cooking it all in (where possible, of course), and the users themselves keeping all their extras (software, settings etc) on their Storage Card ready to be installed again and again every time they flash their phone with new ROM or if they just hard reset it....
I know I would like that, and I'm sure there are more people
Any takers to this idea?
Thank you for reading such long post
BTW
I started to play with something like that based on 3.29 from Akadonny.
If you want to see what I mean, it is in my shared files (\Private folder, "eLMO_3_29_..." ROM)
(NOTE: it is not finished, its work in progress, so it works partially, but I have no time to work on it now so most likely I'll never finish it - because probably again by the time I'll have it ready there will be 100 newer builds 'on the market' and it will be obsolete by then ).

A good idea would be
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I seriously love the PPCKitchen cooking utility...So, if I knew how to sign and stuff, I could code it...so if anyone wants to get in contact with me.
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Hello fellow Chefs..
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natalic said:
Edit: PPCKITCHEN NOW HAS KAISER SUPPORT...WOOT!
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Hello fellow Chefs..
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I seriously love the PPCKitchen cooking utility...So, if I knew how to sign and stuff, I could code it...so if anyone wants to get in contact with me.
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Seems like what you quoted is all what you read from my post

I just completed cooking what is essentially the 2nd version of my very first ROM. It all started out of a perceived demand for AT&T's Official 6.1 ROM, but without the ton of crap they put in it.
After I released V1 of my ROM, people seemed to be quite impressed with it, and quite frankly I was shocked, since it was my first attempt. Non-AT&T users then started asking about a version of the ROM without AT&T settings, so for V2 I released an HTC build based on their Official WWE ROM.
Both the AT&T and HTC ROMs are considered out of date by current build numbers, but since they are true Kaiser ROMs, I was able to avoid a lot of the minor issues that tend to show up in ROMs using bases ported from other devices.
In an attempt to appeal to as many people as possible, I produced 6 different versions (3 from AT&T and 3 from HTC) of V2.
The "Base" ROM included the bare-minimum. The only changes made were updating the camera and album, and adding a 10-button Comm Manager.
The "Base+HTC Home" is exactly as above, but with HTC Home added.
The "Loaded" ROM is a build very similar to what I use on my Tilt.
All of the ROMs were also made to be UC-compatible, so that anyone who flashed them could easily install all their apps not included in one of the various builds.
Once V2 goes final, I'm going to figure out the whole "upgrading base versions" thing, and start to experiment with newer builds.

NotATreoFan said:
The "Base" ROM included the bare-minimum. The only changes made were updating the camera and album, and adding a 10-button Comm Manager.
The "Base+HTC Home" is exactly as above, but with HTC Home added.
The "Loaded" ROM is a build very similar to what I use on my Tilt.
All of the ROMs were also made to be UC-compatible, so that anyone who flashed them could easily install all their apps not included in one of the various builds.
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Congratulations on your new ROMs!
I'm sure I will try them when I have some more time, perhaps this weekend.
I remember your previous ROM v1 was very nice (yeah Im a ROM-junkie haha).
but regarding the subject.
I think you misunderstand me.
If I may take the example of your "Base ROM" because that's exactly what I'm talking about (same goes for example to Garmin's "naked" ROM; Garmin if you read it here is my explanation to what we were discussing when I had to leave earlier):
Camera - there are versions 4 & 5 available, and it perfectly works when installed separately, so it doesn't have to be cooked-in in a "base" ROM. Having "your" version already cooked-in actually prevents anyone using this ROM from installing any other Camera version...
Album - same as above. There are few different version of v.1 & v.2, each one of them has different size and slightly different option. Why it has to be cooked-in if it perfectly works when installed with UC?
Comm Manager - again, same as above. Especially this one, where there are more versions of this app than anything else, 3-button, 4-button, 6-button, 8-button, 9-button and 10-button versions available, and some with different "subversions" as well (different look/skins).
Give users of your "base" ROM freedom of choice and let them choose which version they want, DON'T cook those in!
Yes, you should include them in a "regular" more-less featured ROM, by all means they should be there, but IMHO for a "base" or "basic" ROM there should be only a minimum or basics, or the stuff that have to be cooked-in to work.
I started this thread not only because I was going to make it myself, but also because I noticed that so many ROMs I have tried in past few months are almost as bloated as official HTC ROMs, and almost all light/slim/small/naked/base ROMs that I've seen, with very few exceptions, are far from being really lite or small.

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No. When I quoted the whole text I got issues...Sorry if I missunderstood by the way.

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No. When I quoted the whole text I got issues...Sorry if I missunderstood by the way.
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I've check this PPC Kitchen you wrote about (IMHO its a complete OT here). I dont know how it works and is it any good, but seems like it may be handy for less-knowledgeable people who want to avoid any command-line work but still would like to play own Chef's game Perhaps you should start new thread about it.

Nice idea but...
The reality is that chefs are cooking their roms to some extent for their own preferences, and then to a large extent to what most people want. I find it unlikely that there are many users like you who would prefer to have virtually everything stripped out of a rom. I agree it is nice to have a light rom w/o many programs, but in my experience most of the lite roms, or super lite roms have only some bare minimum program. (dialer, sql, netcf sometimes, office on occasion)
I truly think that users such as yourself need to get into the kitchen as you will never truly satisfied with someone else's work. This is not meant as a dig, but rather that you love to have your rom tweaked out just the way you want it. There will always be a few chefs who release the kinds of stripped down roms you're looking for, but i really doubt you will ever see most chefs releasing that kind of rom simply because it really isn't want most people want. I personally think a better solution is if more of the programs included were uninstallable. That way a user like yourself could remove those programs you do no want, then run your UC and have all your settings and programs just the way you wanted them, but also appeal to those users who want the rom to have at least a few of what they might consider the essentials.
Just my thoughts on the matter.

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The reality is that chefs are cooking their roms to some extent for their own preferences, and then to a large extent to what most people want. I find it unlikely that there are many users like you who would prefer to have virtually everything stripped out of a rom. I agree it is nice to have a light rom w/o many programs, but in my experience most of the lite roms, or super lite roms have only some bare minimum program. (dialer, sql, netcf sometimes, office on occasion)
I truly think that users such as yourself need to get into the kitchen as you will never truly satisfied with someone else's work. This is not meant as a dig, but rather that you love to have your rom tweaked out just the way you want it. There will always be a few chefs who release the kinds of stripped down roms you're looking for, but i really doubt you will ever see most chefs releasing that kind of rom simply because it really isn't want most people want. I personally think a better solution is if more of the programs included were uninstallable. That way a user like yourself could remove those programs you do no want, then run your UC and have all your settings and programs just the way you wanted them, but also appeal to those users who want the rom to have at least a few of what they might consider the essentials.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
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Ah no scotchua, I *don't* use completely stripped-down ROMs at all, ever
I doubt anyone does.
I load plenty of apps, probably more than most of the average people - I always have almost 500MB of programs on my SD (and none of those are any games!) and even though I install everything as much as I can to SD, I still get 50-70MB of stuff into Main Storage as well.
But all of them are *my* choices, almost all of them I have installed with UC.
Thats the beauty of UC which many Chefs seem to underappreciate.
I'm not against having any additional software, Im just saying that if Chefs would utilize UC more instead of cooking-in the apps that can be perfectly installed with UC, it would give more power to everyone - and make the ROMs more customizable than they are now.
As in the NATF's previous post example, he already denied users of his "Base" ROM their choice of Camera, Comm Manager and Album apps.
Would his "base" ROM be anything worse if those 3 apps wouldn't have been cooked-in but given to users as an option in extended cabs package? It wouldn't, and actually his ROM would have been even more versatile and customizable, because the same apps could be installed with UC by those who don't want anything else, while other versions of those could be installed by those who wanted something else.
I understand what youre saying - I agree it is "Chef's choice what ingredients they put in". But I'm not talking about show-off ROMs like ie sakajati's first kaiser ROM with Manilla2D, I'm talking about *base/small/lite* ROMs.
IMHo its some kind of misconception of what lite ROM is if anyone calls ROM "lite" yet half of *major* programs are already cooked-in.
I personally think a better solution is if more of the programs included were uninstallable. That way a user like yourself could remove those programs you do no want, then run your UC...
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I see here you partially see what Im talking about.
Unfortunately it doesnt work this way.
First, for any program to be uninstallable, it has to be installed from a cab. Therefore the cab have to be cooked-in. That takes space and would make any ROM more bloated than official ROM. take for example just few major apps like NETCF, WMLive, Office - just their cabs would still chomp out some 12-15MB of ROM, even if you would uninstall them, because you can't "uninstall" the cab itself, it will always be there in the ROM taking space. Thats worse than having them cooked-in.
But please follow me one step further.
Since you agree that it is better solution to have such uninstallable, the solution is exactly what Im talking about: anything that don't need to be cooked-in (in order to work properly) should go as a cab to storage card (instead of ROM as you suggested) and be installable/uninstallable from there.
Thats all it takes.
Less cooked-in = More.
With ie Camera app cooked-in you can't install any newer version on top of it.
With Album cooked-in you can't install newer version over it.
With Comm Manager cooked-in you can't install different version over it.
Almost every major program, when cooked-in, cannot be upgraded with newer version (or older if someone prefers it).
D3D drivers are almost released daily. What is the point to cook them in if by the end of the week there probably will be newer version? (and we all know that out of anything else we do want latest drivers always)
Those are just few examples.
Why should we force users to flash entire new ROM if all he wants is different Camera apps (for example)?
Solutions is moving all those programs to xtended cabs on SD and having them installed with UC , which would make them all not only perfectly uninstallable, without taking any space in the ROM when not installed or uninstalled, but they will be also easily upgradeable.
For half a year or more we have this perfect solution to all of it: UC
and almost nobody takes advantage of its great possibilities

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I chopped the other to save space. It's not that i don't understand what you're talking about, and i do conceed i forgot that those cabs have to be stored separately on the rom, and it would be very bloated in that case.
The reality is that the type of rom you are wanting is really not desired by the majority of users here. I think that most chef's just aren't going to want to put out 3 versions of every rom they do. Hopefully one will take your words to heart though, as that would allow you the type of roms you are looking for. I just really don't believe that there are enough users who want those last few items stripped from the rom. i have been using UC since it was first released, and i think it's a wonderful tool. I love lite roms as well, for the reasons you stated. I do; however, realize that i'm more the exception rather than the rule. The majority of users can't even be bothered to look for a program, or figure out where to go to uncheck they proxy lol. I actually prefer to have a few things cooked in, for example sql and netcf. Not because i can't install them myself, but rather because if i don't install them first and separately then i seems to have issues with some of my programs.
I agree that installing programs to the SD card is the way to go. It allows you to never have to enter your settings again for so many programs. Recently it seems that I have been having a lot of issues with the files being corrupted however, which has actually been a source of frustration to me.
Anyway, I guess my point is that I understand what you're getting at, and i can see why it's appealing to you. I just don't think there's enough users who feel that same way to warrent the extra work required for the chefs. It is an interesting idea an maybe some others will come in here and prove that i am wrong for thinking so. This is an excellent discussion point, and your ideas are well thought out articulated. IT should be a useful discussion.

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I chopped the other to save space. It's not that i don't understand what you're talking about, and i do conceed i forgot that those cabs have to be stored separately on the rom, and it would be very bloated in that case.
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I chopped it as well, youre right -no need to repeat it all everytime we reply
Thank you. Im glad we're on the same page
I do understand that such "real lite" ROMs would be for just a fraction of people.
But I think it would change if this idea would spread.
because lets face it - for Chefs there will be absolutely no difference if the same programs that they cook-in would be attached as some extended cabs package to their ROM. Actually it makes cooking the ROM even easier
Its the same programs and features, but instead of having them cooked-in they can come as cabs to be installed with UC.
If Chefs would do this, at first probably there would be many people not understanding it and asking "what the hell is this UC and why do I have to extract second rar to my storage card" and so on. But once they would try it I'm sure even an average non-tekkie user would see the advantages: new Camera app has been ported from some OMNIA II ? No problem - uninstall the one you have and install new one. Don't like it? Uninstall new one and install old one back. Very much like on your standard computer. Thats the main advantage I see in "UC-ing everything".
Because I don't know about everyone else, but I sure have been always pisssed that if I want to change any of the major apps I have to reflash entire ROM!
Hopefully one will take your words to heart though, as that would allow you the type of roms you are looking for.
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Its not for *me*! I use my own ROM since I learned on Alex's kitchen... but yes, I would love to see such lite ROMs from other Chefs since we have some great talents here.
And please remember Im not saying that all ROMs should be made to have everything from UC, but the "lite" ROMs certainly should. No n00bs go for "lite" ROMs, thus it is safe to assume that all the "lite" afficionados here are at least accustomed with UC

Welp, the best solution is to create a base rom as clean as possible, then you pack all the cabs into exe installer file that runs on PC using any pocket pc installer creator. Set options to this installer so user can pick which cabs they want to install.
I might implement this on my future rom release (HyperDragon IV)

Nice idea -888-
for me, Creating ROM, means creating a choice for user,.
But some of the user, would like to use just what was included in the ROM itself,.
so for me, the best solution was making sveral variants,.

-888-,
I do like lite roms the best. Kyphur got me started in my quest to build the lightest, but fully functional rom. But even then there are some that prefer something not so lite. No matter what you do you will never satisfy everyone.

CRCinAU has a ROM for the Hermes which he calls 'Naked', which starts off with a base ROM. But he includes a utility that allows the user to pick which apps/utilities to add to the ROM after the user has the ROM up and running. Maybe that may be a concept to transfer to the Kaiser ROMs. Additionally, any apps/utilities that wouldn't be on this 'list' can still be installed by the user the old fashioned way.
Sorry, just thought I'd bring this up. I'm not a chef, although someday I'd like to learn how to cook up my own!

biscuits1978 said:
CRCinAU has a ROM for the Hermes which he calls 'Naked', which starts off with a base ROM. But he includes a utility that allows the user to pick which apps/utilities to add to the ROM after the user has the ROM up and running. Maybe that may be a concept to transfer to the Kaiser ROMs. Additionally, any apps/utilities that wouldn't be on this 'list' can still be installed by the user the old fashioned way.
Sorry, just thought I'd bring this up. I'm not a chef, although someday I'd like to learn how to cook up my own!
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Hermes have extended ROM, and it will be very easy to popping up the choice for user to install, with mortscript,.
but not kaiser, kaiser dont have that, so the only way of UC, was putting .cab inside storage card

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Hermes have extended ROM, and it will be very easy to popping up the choice for user to install, with mortscript,.
but not kaiser, kaiser dont have that, so the only way of UC, was putting .cab inside storage card
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what do you mean the kaiser doesnt have mortscript?
also, i think that tier autoinstall fits this category perfectly

I'm just layman user like most users here,and I think i very much agree with Scot. You see,if user like us were left to our own choice of how to install and make certain must-have apps (for us), like office mobile, windows live, etc, it will give the chef lots of headaches in replying "i try to install it but it wont work, you must help me... bla... bla... bla",since we don't even care that we have to install netcf first. Not to mention that installation of netcf itself is not as problem-free as most layman will think.
So most of the times i saw our chefs have to cooked some apps in to ensure it works so he will only be bothered by questions about more unspecific apps like beejive,arabizer,tomtom,igo,etc. It'd save him from standard apps question.
Although i must admit that your idea is very great,and very appealing to most advanced users. But maybe if chef should release this kind of ROM,it must be in separated dedicated thread with big bold warning letters:
"Please DO NOT TRY to flash this version of ROM if you don't even know how to customize things on your own. Any questions arised from ignorance will not ever be replied!!".
But from my observation here,even when warned harshly, there will always be ignorant people to give you nightmares, LOL =D

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what do you mean the kaiser doesnt have mortscript?
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No sir, i mean kaiser dont have extended ROM,.

Base/Clean ROM would be great
I've been here 'lurking' for a while and have been trying to find time to start cooking ROMs , but I must agree w/ 888 that sharing clean/base ROMs would be a great idea.
Personally I've moved from UC to Sashimi to configure my builds post flash as I find its much more robust than UC. The only potential downside to Sashimi vs UC is you have to invoke it post refresh whereas UC is loaded automatically for the ROMs where it is enabled.
However I rather enjoy the flexibility to see what the 'naked' rom can do before I add my apps and configs to it.
The chefs here are WAY beyond helpful, but I think it would be a great thing to have the bare bones type of rom that those w/o time to be chefs can still uninstall/install their favorite and or latest/greatest versions of the updated apps that seem to come out frequently.
Also by not cooking things in they can be upgraded when a potential improved version is available.
I'm still searching for the ultimate ROM, but that may be a long search. Each ROM I've seen and or installed has had its benefits and 'challenges'.
Just my twenty or so cents.

[NEW 2009/12/31] [ROM] [WWE] [Kaiser/Tilt] [WM 6.5.3 23614] ARIADNA v207

[ROM] [WWE] [Kaiser/Tilt] [WM 6.5.3 23614] ARIADNA v207 + LZX [ 101Mb + Chome + Greatbal Shadow Neo Skin] [colours and icons modified]
Proudly I can announce my new Ariadna ROM version for Kaiser and also for Tilt. As I told once, my ROMs are not the best. In fact, they don’t improve anything. Simply, they have the basics that I need for my usual life - there are some other specialized apps that I don't cook here. But even if those ROM’s are not good, even if they lack in lots of things, I cooked them carefully and with love.
It's based on build 23614 - this is the WM6.5.3 LG branch but it seems to work well on our Kaisers. I tested it during more than 10 days and finally today is the best moment to launch it to the World. Tilt version is not tested but the only change is in the keyboard mapping. Maybe I should change anything on the camera apps/settings.
As most of you know, I have no experience in programming or developing - my specialities are in other areas like planning, design, landscape, and environmental law. But lots of people helped me to dive into this kind of drug which is Windows Mobile and all its capabilities and I finally could cook three good ROMs.
What's inside:
No games, no Live, no Transcriber, no Welcome Center, no MS Tag, no OneNote, no Skybox neither SkyMarket.
You'll find some Office appas such as MS Office and Adobe Reader; also, MyNote, iContact and some other minor apps.
There is also the new beta of TotalCommander, compatible to the bottom bar of WM 6.5.x
And it works well with Showcase. and with the 2G patched version of the Mega phone.
25984 free kB on Slot 0
About 122 Mb on Storage, 103 free; abut 101 Mb on RAM, more than 56 free.
See the images to read the list of everything installed and see the screens.
No important issues found. Only, you must configure the hard button mappings in some cases, using the stylus and going to Settings/Personal/Buttons, because in some devices the map is missing and the device freezes when pushing on one button. And if the device is locked, you can't answer using the hard buttons, but I did not try to correct the default registry for this.
I developed it during my nights, and there are about 120 versions of this one till it booted and was shown in the way I wanted. BUT what I finally did was only choosing the correct files, editing some .provxml's and initflashfiles.dat and click on the "Cook It" button on Oskitchen.
There are no Cinderella and Princess versions because, like Jeckyll and Hyde, every girl is simultaneously a Cinderella and a Princess. And thus, this ROM takes the name of my daughter Ariadna. And her image is beside the flags of my 2 beloved countries: Catalonia and Occitania, both under foreign domination now.
Hope you enjoy it. Refer to "About Ariadna ROM" for credits to all known people in this ROM and DONATE to them if you fell it useful. Visit also www.suportalessandra.com
Support and fixes for this ROM will be limited as I have no time and no experience. But I thnk you won't need it: it's easy to use.
There won't be new versions till an important build will appear. Last version was a 23016 cooked last august.
Please read carefully the sickies about "how to flash" and the wiki.
Kaiser version: http://www.adrive.com/public/e14388ff6dff3736eb0cc67ad9db1c202bb781b5e3e6e8a56b3acf12d4a97d6d.html
Tilt version: http://www.adrive.com/public/9b75e6dd4bf68594d35ecde8cdf2965c2a4b995b9584bf042594a53b9a56a7c8.html
Links expire on January 29, 2010. If there's somebody interested later, please PM me to upgrade the links.

Thanks for sharing
Like the introduction, a bit of humanity! Will try it out this weekend. Thanks again.
DM

Hi,
You say that your ROM is VOIP enabled. Can you explain what you mean by that?

Welcome new chef.... Love the blue theme....looks awesome!

Mature response and more power to you. Good luck with the project!

witschey said:
Hi,
You say that your ROM is VOIP enabled. Can you explain what you mean by that?
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I (only) mean lots of ROMs are cooked without VoIP files, and then it's more difficult to reinstall them. In this one, I did not discard VoIP files.

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I wouldnt give your roms the time of day since of how you came about yourself.Maybe you will think before you speak the next time.
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Well, if you are looking for an innovative, revolutionary ROM for Kaiser, then you're true. Mine is not for you.
WM was made by MS guys (and girls). Builds were searched, found and downloaded, and ported, by other people, not me. Hacks like 101 Mb RAM were developed by other people, not me. Fixes were made by other people, not me. And the kitchen is made by other people, not me. So that yeah it's possible nothing is different in my ROM.
My only responsibility is having spent many hours and days during the last year searching and downloading "how-to's", wiki pages, registry explanations, and lots of CABs with fixes, utilities, tricks. My only responsibility is having mixed them in the way I found, during last year, they work better "for me". Some ones ported from a device or developed by one person; some others developed by another person. Some are older versions which I prefer to the new ones.
Today I added a cheese to my ravioli. But that kind of cheese and that ravioli were made by other people, not me. The only I did is take "that" cheese and not another one, and buy those ravioli and not other ones.
Of course, speaking about me thus is the most sincere way. I'm not a lyer, and I can't tell "this is the best ROM, developed entirely by me" 'cause I only decided which ingredients I put, but credits are, must be, to the persons who searched, ported, developed, hacked, built and shared with us.
About the names history, everyone gives a name to the things, and place an identificative image. I like to know why a ROM is called as it's called. And the circumstances are what they are, so I told thus.
That's a nice and functional ROM which needs improvements, but it works well day to day, that's what I need and what I can share till now. I'm trying to improve it testing other builds and putting/throwing some utilities or modifying the versions (i.e. Mega, Opal or Jade ported phone?) to my taste. I try to modify some PNGs to have a better view (for me). And flashing again and again (and getting stuck in bootloader, also) to improve this ROM.
But nothing if you don't want to test it. You'll find others better than this one, of course. Using less space and having better graphics/sounds. I don't force you to flash this one.

afn691 said:
Well, if you are looking for an innovative, revolutionary ROM for Kaiser, then you're true. Mine is not for you.
WM was made by MS guys (and girls). Builds were searched, found and downloaded, and ported, by other people, not me. Hacks like 101 Mb RAM were developed by other people, not me. Fixes were made by other people, not me. And the kitchen is made by other people, not me. So that yeah it's possible nothing is different in my ROM.
My only responsibility is having spent many hours and days during the last year searching and downloading "how-to's", wiki pages, registry explanations, and lots of CABs with fixes, utilities, tricks. My only responsibility is having mixed them in the way I found, during last year, they work better "for me". Some ones ported from a device or developed by one person; some others developed by another person. Some are older versions which I prefer to the new ones.
Today I added a cheese to my ravioli. But that kind of cheese and that ravioli were made by other people, not me. The only I did is take "that" cheese and not another one, and buy those ravioli and not other ones.
Of course, speaking about me thus is the most sincere way. I'm not a lyer, and I can't tell "this is the best ROM, developed entirely by me" 'cause I only decided which ingredients I put, but credits are, must be, to the persons who searched, ported, developed, hacked, built and shared with us.
About the names history, everyone gives a name to the things, and place an identificative image. I like to know why a ROM is called as it's called. And the circumstances are what they are, so I told thus.
That's a nice and functional ROM which needs improvements, but it works well day to day, that's what I need and what I can share till now. I'm trying to improve it testing other builds and putting/throwing some utilities or modifying the versions (i.e. Mega, Opal or Jade ported phone?) to my taste. I try to modify some PNGs to have a better view (for me). And flashing again and again (and getting stuck in bootloader, also) to improve this ROM.
But nothing if you don't want to test it. You'll find others better than this one, of course. Using less space and having better graphics/sounds. I don't force you to flash this one.
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Mature response and more power to you. Good luck with the project!

New versions posted on first post. Important improvements !

congrats on your first release

twopumpchump said:
congrats on your first release
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Hi Shane, it's not the first. It's the THIRD !! I began last august with builds 23009 and 23016 but I wanted to solve some things with initflashfiles.dat and some others, so that the version could be considered a good tool.
Later I burnt my computer, and with the new one I had several problems using OsKitchen (I suppose something was corrupted in the hard disk I rescued from the old PC).
Then, you know, I tried lots and lots of times to cook and flash with bad results.
This ROM is also not the first for this build, but I was "refining" it till I considered it's capable to be used by other people without getting angry with me .
Truely, I learned lots of things from your posts, cooking classes, etc.
(you'll read your name in the credits inside the ROM if you try to test it)
Thanks !!!

Nice job bro
thanks for your so HARD working ,I will flash this and give my feedback
thanks again and keeping on you great work

wow new chef in kaiser
will try this rom... and report back
thx
keep update

Thanxs
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w4551472 said:
Nice job bro
thanks for your so HARD working ,I will flash this and give my feedback
thanks again and keeping on you great work
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I only edited initflashfiles.exe and shellres.dll, and changed some colours in some PNG's or some font styles.
For the rest of the features, hard work is from lots of other people, all they working here at xda-dev's for everybody.
Glad if you give feedback. I tested during 10 days before posting it as public, so that I could be sure it works. But trere's always a bad surprise to fix.
Thank you

[REQ] Request a ROM - What do you want?

Request a ROM - What would you like in a ROM? (Idea by Mr. Ill)
Have you been using the ROM's on XDA frequently, but you think everyone could benefit from an application or setting cooked into a ROM? Well, the cooks will be reading this thread, and if a cook likes the idea, they will pick it up, and either feature it in their next ROM release, or create a new ROM with it.
Instead of flooding ROM threads with requests, lets just centralize them all here! Feel free to ask for anything. If you don't get a response, then maybe the cooks didn't like the idea. If you think it's a brilliant idea, and you still didn't get a response, you could ask for it again, because a cook might have missed it.
For a list of existing ROM's, visit The Wingster.
Now, if none of the ROM's fit your needs, please, go ahead and make some suggestions below!
Current Requests
Sambalbij - Extendir to be cooked into ROM, because it's supposed to make Windows Mobile 12x faster! (3 cooks have failed at this)
daniel costa rj - Brazilian and Portuguese ROM's! WM6.5 and WM6.1 versions, with Opera Mini, Bluetooth and WiFi working, and finger friendly!
donaspl - A Windows Mobile 6.1 ROM in the Polish language.
In-Progress Requests
DumpyDooby - Remote Tracker to be cooked into ROM's from now on. (Mr. Ill is working on it)
TonyC0642 - A superclean ROM with Manila 2D cooked in. Only programs would be the base WinMo apps, and Network Wizard. Bluetooth apps, Internet Sharing, Windows Media Player, Games, and Lockscreen can be removed. (Mr. Ill has built it, and is testing it with TonyC)
HolyLove02 - Newest build of WM6.5.1 and Latest version of Manila 2D. Also themed to Super Mario Bros. Needs Bluetooth, Internet Sharing, NetCF, MMS, MS Office, and other basics. Likes the "fatty" ROM's. Also including a hefty list of apps. Donating a lot!!! (Mr. Ill is working on it)
Ideas
Rim1Flex - Photoshop Mobile to be cooked in. It's a nice program.
CheeseDave - A quite complete ROM, with various things!

I use Remote Tracker on all of my phones. So my suggestion is to compile the Remote Tracker DLL into ROMs. This would be a neat addition to SJK, actually.
While there is an obvious security issue with everyone having the same Remote Tracker password, this is easily resolved by simply advising everyone to change their password immediately upon first boot. The chef could even keep the password private and only disclose it to people who PM them for it. The neat thing about doing this is it will prevent a thief from doing a hard reset on the phone to disable Remote Tracker.
(by the way, I'm well aware that the Herald doesn't have GPS, but there are other ways of tracking a phone down with Remote Tracker. You can have it forward the thief's SIM info, make it delete all of your contacts, lock access to the MicroSD, and accomplish many other things with the program that would be useful for anyone who had their phone stolen)

I was thinking about putting in Photoshop Mobile in my Roms. It's a nice program.
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/photoshopmobile/

I was trying to get extendir to work, but i'm not experienced so it wouldn't work. A stripped rom with extendir would be great (if extendir makes its expectations come true).
"Extendir is a file system filter driver that significantly increases the performance of your phone, in specific situations even up to 12 times as fast and faster…"

sambalbij said:
I was trying to get extendir to work, but i'm not experienced so it wouldn't work. A stripped rom with extendir would be great (if extendir makes its expectations come true).
"Extendir is a file system filter driver that significantly increases the performance of your phone, in specific situations even up to 12 times as fast and faster…"
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Yeah, I was toying around with that one too. Couldn't figure it out. I didn't spend too much time with it.

I just want a superclean rom with M2D(preferrably 2.0 or better) and that's it. The only thing I would add is Network Wizard. No google maps, no apps of any sort aside from what's there already. In fact, some things could be stripped. Like BT_SAP/BT explorer, internet sharing, WMP(Audio Mgr is better imo), games, Lock(I use s2u2). This may be my first rom, if I can ever figure out how to add packages from other roms to SJK.

i got you covered on that one Tonyc i made it last night. M2D 2.0 with audiomanager and bluetooth. 67 storage and 21 ram. the ram is lower than i want but ya lol

illconcepts said:
i got you covered on that one Tonyc i made it last night. M2D 2.0 with audiomanager and bluetooth. 67 storage and 21 ram. the ram is lower than i want but ya lol
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Oh yeah lol I forgot, been a wierd week so far. Hit me up on IM if you need any more tests before you release it.

sambalbij said:
I was trying to get extendir to work, but i'm not experienced so it wouldn't work. A stripped rom with extendir would be great (if extendir makes its expectations come true).
"Extendir is a file system filter driver that significantly increases the performance of your phone, in specific situations even up to 12 times as fast and faster…"
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Couldn't figure it out either. I tried doing Extendir on my first ROM. No luck. It'd be cool though, lol.

Please Help ME get custom.
I would love a ROM that has the newest version of 6.5, and the latest version of Manila Touch Flo.I've been look'n for a Super Mario Bros. Theme for Manila TouchFlo forever!
I've googled it, found one for 3d, but not 2d. I'd love this as a all around theme intergraded throughout the UI.
As far as the nuts and bolts go, I need bluetooth, internet share, Net.CF, MMS, and internet good to go out of the box, MS Office, the basics. I'm also into some of the more "fatty" ROMS. Including:
Microsoft Facebook
Flash Player
Microsoft My Phone
Oxios Memory
My Light (or some other program that is finger friendly back light control.)
HTC Streaming Media
cichy 3000 Link Creator
Twikini (or similar twitter app.)
Evernote
Pandora
Chi-Tai Dang Second Today
Chi-Tai Dang Home Screen PlusPlus (with both, can overclock 6.5 to 299)
Smart Lock
Joel Illgen Phoney Call
Coo Tek Cooperation TouchPal
Pocket MSN
Brins0.net Tonality
SDK CommManager (or just a newer comm manager interface)
Google Maps
To anyone willing to help me get this ROM, I'll DEFINATELY DONATE A GOOD AMOUNT!
Thanks for making this thread. I'm not sure if this is the kind of response/request you're wanting, if not, I apologize, and understand if it's moved.
If anyone needs the cab files for any of these programs, I'll gladly send them to you.
God Bless.

holylove02 said:
I would love a ROM that has the newest version of 6.5, and the latest version of Manila Touch Flo......
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Sounds like Mr. Ill's ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=553269
Now, it doesn't have all of the apps you asked, but I bet he could modify it pretty quickly to include those.

ace10134 said:
Sounds like Mr. Ill's ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=553269
Now, it doesn't have all of the apps you asked, but I bet he could modify it pretty quickly to include those.
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Thanks Man! I appriciate it. I sadly don't know the creator of the program, but I think by far the most used program was forgotten, The XDA Shutdown program. Thank you to whoever made it! It is a God send! lol!

As for the remote tracker, i can't seem to get it to flash over. It "flashes" fine but nothing on the other end. I tried installing the cab on top of it and it won't let me (Probably because its there somewhere). This work on 6.5 right?

holylove02 said:
I would love a ROM that has the newest version of 6.5, and the latest version of Manila Touch Flo.I've been look'n for a Super Mario Bros. Theme for Manila TouchFlo forever!
I've googled it, found one for 3d, but not 2d. I'd love this as a all around theme intergraded throughout the UI.
As far as the nuts and bolts go, I need bluetooth, internet share, Net.CF, MMS, and internet good to go out of the box, MS Office, the basics. I'm also into some of the more "fatty" ROMS. Including:
Microsoft Facebook
Flash Player
Microsoft My Phone
Oxios Memory
My Light (or some other program that is finger friendly back light control.)
HTC Streaming Media
cichy 3000 Link Creator
Twikini (or similar twitter app.)
Evernote
Pandora
Chi-Tai Dang Second Today
Chi-Tai Dang Home Screen PlusPlus (with both, can overclock 6.5 to 299)
Smart Lock
Joel Illgen Phoney Call
Coo Tek Cooperation TouchPal
Pocket MSN
Brins0.net Tonality
SDK CommManager (or just a newer comm manager interface)
Google Maps
To anyone willing to help me get this ROM, I'll DEFINATELY DONATE A GOOD AMOUNT!
Thanks for making this thread. I'm not sure if this is the kind of response/request you're wanting, if not, I apologize, and understand if it's moved.
If anyone needs the cab files for any of these programs, I'll gladly send them to you.
God Bless.
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Yeah wow, good luck with that. That's so bloated I don't think it could physically fit on your phone. And even if it does, good luck multitasking. When it comes to custom ROMs you can't have everything, that's what cab files and a storage card are for.

tonyc0642 said:
Yeah wow, good luck with that. That's so bloated I don't think it could physically fit on your phone. When it comes to custom ROMs you can't have everything, that's what cab files are for.
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I think it totaled to 58 MBs. That's reasonable. I've seen bigger NBH's than that.

ace10134 said:
I think it totaled to 58 MBs. That's reasonable. I've seen bigger NBH's than that.
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Yeah but like I said, even if it does fit, good luck multitasking. Pointless imo.

tonyc0642 said:
Yeah but like I said, even if it does fit, good luck multitasking. Pointless imo.
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Not all of it is running at once. Just because something's installed, it's not taking up RAM, unless it's a background proccess app.
Anyways, this is a thread where users can request ROM's! To one person, it's useless, to another, it's amazingly awesome!
You lean toward the slim ROM's, while he leans toward the fatty ROM's. Nothing wrong with that. I personally perfer a strong set of apps to be cooked in. It's very nice having those usefull apps already there, so that you don't have to think about installing them yourself.

ace10134 said:
Not all of it is running at once. Just because something's installed, it's not taking up RAM, unless it's a background proccess app.
Anyways, this is a thread where users can request ROM's! To one person, it's useless, to another, it's amazingly awesome!
You lean toward the slim ROM's, while he leans toward the fatty ROM's. Nothing wrong with that. I personally perfer a strong set of apps to be cooked in. It's very nice having those usefull apps already there, so that you don't have to think about installing them yourself.
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I realize that ace, I'm just saying these devices can only do so much, and just because its not running does not mean it isn't taking up space. I would be willing to bet if you built that rom it would have on average less than 15mb of free program memory. And as soon as you open something like skyfire, which is a notorious memory hog, the phone will come to a screeching halt. Storage memory means NOTHING if you don't have the program memory to back it up.
Just to clarify, that's cool if that's what he's into, to each his own. Just know the limitations of your device before demanding so much from it.

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I realize that ace, I'm just saying these devices can only do so much, and just because its not running does not mean it isn't taking up space. I would be willing to bet if you built that rom it would have on average less than 15mb of free program memory. And as soon as you open something like skyfire, which is a notorious memory hog, the phone will come to a screeching halt. Storage memory means NOTHING if you don't have the program memory to back it up.
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Then install CleanRAM on the phone, and schedule it. Problem solved.
It's his ROM, he can deal with the RAM consuption as he wants. I bet he already has all of those apps installed, and you know what, he's was apparently happy enough to have them all installed! He has probably been using that similar setup for a while, and guess what, it seem to work perfectly fine.

thanks man. I like havn the major used apps in the rom so when I have to hard reset my wing (weekly) the time it takes to reinstall everyting is minimal. (normally, apx. 2hrs.)
BIG UPS to ILL!!! the dude did almost exactly what I wanted!!! playn with it now!!!