Haven't seen anyone mention it here.
The WM6 SDK with emulator images is out since 2 weeks
Download it directly from microsoft:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...3a-a651-4745-88ef-3d48091a390b&DisplayLang=en
what exactly is this? they will have 2 versions of wm6? pro and standard?
newyorker said:
what exactly is this? they will have 2 versions of wm6? pro and standard?
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Pro = PPC
Standard = Smartphone
Does anyone know how to run our own custom cooked images in this emulator? Seems to me it would speed up the cooking process if I could just build the rom and run it in the emulator. I saw some posts on this forum asking this very same question a while back. Now that we have a WM6 capable emulator I think it is time to wake this idea up.
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Pro = PPC
Standard = Smartphone
Does anyone know how to run our own custom cooked images in this emulator? Seems to me it would speed up the cooking process if I could just build the rom and run it in the emulator. I saw some posts on this forum asking this very same question a while back. Now that we have a WM6 capable emulator I think it is time to wake this idea up.
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That would be interesting, it could save alot of people from killing their ppc's when trying new stuff .... But I don't think it's possible
Somebody pls say I'm wrong
Actually Professional is Pocket PC Phone Edition and Classic is Pocket PC.
http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS4634035064.html
Perhaps also handy to post this in one of the General Discussion threads, like Development and Hacking.
I'm downloading the software now, I'll post the results later on.
anichillus said:
That would be interesting, it could save alot of people from killing their ppc's when trying new stuff .... But I don't think it's possible
Somebody pls say I'm wrong
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If you refering to cooked rom's... I think you're right. As far as I know is not possible to install a cooked rom in a emulator.
Loading a cooked rom is indeed not possible, but it's a very handy app. to test software (and perhaps some one wil find a way to get another ROM loaded).
I have been able to test the Dutch MUI for HTC Album on a WM 6 emulated device, Still playing around with it, if you want more info check out http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa188174.aspx, there you can read al about how-to use it. Have fun
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Can a PPC software use in a Window mobile based smartphones?
are they functioning like in the PPC?
Can the *.cab file used for PPC use in smartphones?
I was just about to answer you, but then I go to the last line of your message.
We do not deal with WAREZ and craks here.
and
sthg about software tat i don understand..
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is something that I don't understand
ok, prehaps i shouldn't ask it tat way... actually the main thg is i just wanna know if there is any possiblity tat we can use PPC softwares on Window mobile based smartphone?
That would depend on the software and the device.
Some will run, some you won't be able to use without touch screen and some will need extra components.
you can try...it's all winCE...
I know some of my old smartphone software works o.k. on my PPC, but PPC is like smartphone's bigger brother: with extras (touchscreen, others, etc.)
The screen is broke on my smartphone now but I seem to remember installing some stuff meant for PPC on there back in the day with varying results. I think some did work, but not a lot worked nicely.
AFAIK you need to port, change a few things (like have no touchscreen input) for a reliable result.
it being winCE is not always enough
binary files are spc for the cpu they were compiled for
but if they have the same cpu and the same libs
it would work
another matter is .net and java they are not written for a spc cpu but for the framework
http://mobile-enthusiast.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-to-run-pocket-pc-applications-on.html
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http://mobile-enthusiast.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-to-run-pocket-pc-applications-on.html
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Excellent article. Note that, however, it states all PPC apps run on a Smartphone w/ SPHelper ("Does this mean that they will run the same software? / Yes and no. All Windows Mobile devices (Smartphone, PPC, PPC phone edition, etc) can run the same actual executable code (.exe files) as long as it has been written for a Windows Mobile device. However if you actually try to install PPC software on a Smartphone (or vice versa) using Activesync, you might get an error message stating the device is incorrect and it will refuse to do anything."). This is, however, not really the case. See my related articles and hacking reports - in the articles I've posted in the last 2 weeks, I've posted a LOT of info on interoperability issues.
As a rule of thumb, about 10% of native (NON-Compact Framework-based) PPC programs can be hacked to work on a QVGA Smartphone. On a 176*220 one, even fewer.
bjy8138 said:
Can a PPC software use in a Window mobile based smartphones?
are they functioning like in the PPC?
Can the *.cab file used for PPC use in smartphones?
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Make sure you don't miss ANY of my articles. They are ALL in this very "General" forum.
I've published a LOT of information on these subjects, listing all the compatible software and how they can be hacked.
there should be a special forum for them since there are soo many they cant be sticky
some might get pushed far back
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there should be a special forum for them since there are soo many they cant be sticky
some might get pushed far back
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Yup, that's a problem.
I'll some time collect the links and put them all in the Wiki so that they are easy to find.
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I'll some time collect the links and put them all in the Wiki so that they are easy to find.
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something like that'd be good, I think we all appreciate informative articles and in-depth tests ...thanks!
Just a question to throw out there, has anybody created or know how we can emulate ROMs on our PCs to test em out, because I've heard constantly Reflashing the ROM on a PPC, (Wizard, Hermes, etc) can eventually screw up the rom, dont know if this is actually true but would assume so since the process takes 10 minutes for me and if this is possible this would cut down the testing phase of ROM Cooking considerably as well as create a safer enviroment to test on to ensure its looking the way we want it and then eventually final testing on the PPC/Smartphone for GSM quality tests and such.
No, there is not any emulator for ROMs.
By the way: just yesterday the same question was asked in another thread...
As for "screwing up ROM": the flash memory has limited amount of times it can be overwritten, but I think you can sleep in peace. I do not think you have chance to reach that limit by flashing... You would get mad from constant flashing before...
Mirek
There is an emulator for WM6 by microsoft, you can only use that for software testing purpose. You can't use buttons or anything that you have on Wizard. Remember its only for Software Purpose.
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There is an emulator for WM6 by microsoft, you can only use that for software testing purpose. You can't use buttons or anything that you have on Wizard. Remember its only for Software Purpose.
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I wonder why people keep mentioning this in case somebody looks for ROM emulator...
FOR THE ROM EMULATION HTC WIZARD EMULATOR WOULD BE NEEDED (it does not exist).
The Microsoft emulator is WM emulator for software development... Useless for testing HTC Wizard ROMs...
Mirek
mirekluza said:
I wonder why people keep mentioning this in case somebody looks for ROM emulator...
FOR THE ROM EMULATION HTC WIZARD EMULATOR WOULD BE NEEDED (it does not exist).
The Microsoft emulator is WM emulator for software development... Useless for testing HTC Wizard ROMs...
Mirek
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Well, that is what i said, it is only for software testing purpose..... nothing else. You can't emulate wizard but you can emulate wizard rom if you convert it to BIN file to test if all the OEM packs you integrated are working fully
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...you can emulate wizard rom if you convert it to BIN file to test if all the OEM packs you integrated are working fully
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Really? Did you try it? I think ROM contains Wizard specific things, so that it will not work... The MS emulator is usable only with MS images...
I will gladly admit my error here - if it is really possible it would be a good thing (but I doubt it)...
Mirek
nycelitemaster said:
Well, that is what i said, it is only for software testing purpose..... nothing else. You can't emulate wizard but you can emulate wizard rom if you convert it to BIN file to test if all the OEM packs you integrated are working fully
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I am partly with nycelitemaster on this.
To lift a piece of the vail:
It's possible to test a ROM on the emulator, WinCE platformbuilder has this option.
Device emulater does support hardware keys, they have to be mapped to the keyboard thoug.
EquinoXe
It should not work, because the emulator clearly stated that it emulates the Samsung CPU platform, which is not TI that used by Wizard.
i have been doing some testing on this (using a cooked wm6 rom in the ms emulator) but w/ no luck so far (didnt try the WinCE platformbuilder) . i removed everything wizard specific and left w/ a bare OS as possible but the emulator refuses the BIN....unfortunately i dont have any free time to keep testing...but a good place to start would be to examine the BIN files of the emulator (they are several) and a vanilla rom to see what is different. regardless.....might be too much work for what its worth...its a lot easier to just flash your wizard
The way our kitchens cook ROMs it is unlikely the output nb or nbf is anyhting like the correct bin format - the emulator probably needs something like a complete ROM dump where it is literally a read only image if you see what I mean.
sorry for my bad english
i am a prof C++ programer
i know it sounds crazy but with the computer and programing there is no crazy
i just want a perfect rom for the Magician
why we are looking to the wm6 we want any good rom
we got the program
windows mobile 2003 rom editor
we got the rom on club i-mate
we got the cab of all good and great programs
we got one silly prob.
the passcode to edit the rom file
if i get it
give me 30 day to lunch the perfect rom
i think with the united we can make the WM Magician
the russin gays did it and they give us the txx rom right i think we can do it too
So, if i understand you correct your plan is to create a wm6 rom for the magician, right? This would be really cool...
P.S.
kingt0t said:
the russin gays did it and they give us the txx rom right i think we can do it too
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i think you mean "guys" when you say "gays"
good luck with your project!
Kingt0t, what you want to do ain't something that hasn't been thought before...yes, you can do a WM6 for magician (hell, you can invent a new OS if you wish...lol) The thing is...time.
There's no drivers for the magician hardware built inside any WM6 ROM...(well, not entirely true - there's probable a few WM 5/6 ROMs which might have a few drivers for our hardware - but not all that are required so to make a workable magician ROM).
You probably would need to create drivers for all missing/required magician hardware...oh and above all...you probably would need to create a special/new bootloader because it seems to me that since WM5, the bootloader has changed it's way of loading the Windows Mobile OSes... (They use what is now called IPL/SPL...)
I'm not trying to discourage you...it's just that we (xda community) have heard about so many people with the same thoughts, giving up after realizing the enormous amount of work that would be required so to build a working wm6 magician ROM
Anyway, if you're really into it, then start by studying what hardware the magician has and how it works...
I can give you a few ideias right now:
- The CPU (PXA272) uses what is called a strataflash (It is glued to the cpu), which i believe there's not many models with this concept(if any). Most of them uses what is called DOC (Disk On Chip).
(if this ain't true, please someone correct me if i'm wrong)
- IDK if there's a driver for this CPU model in any other PPC with WM5/WM6...
- You will probably need to disassemble alot of dlls / .sys / Etc, so to figure out the functions names; what do they do; how do they interact with the rest of the OS...etc...
- Last but not the least, you would need to strip out alot of stuff since the magician only has 64Mb ROM or you could study how HARET (for linux) works and how it allows us to boot a SD Card partition image...
oh well...start posting away if you need help...for shure some gurus in here will start dropping you ideias, concepts, tests that were already made...
Best Regards,
Keeper
P.S: honestely, if someday microsoft decides to release the source code for WM2003 (like they did for win9x and windows 2000), then maybe, just maybe, we will be able to compile a modified version with some parts of the WM 5/6/xxx...
Maybe this is a good start, at least for WM5?
Ubiquio 401 has the same PXA272 CPU and 64MB ROM as the Magician, but it comes with WM5. Perhaps the IPL/SPL and CPU drivers that come with the FW will make less work for some smart person to make a custom Magician ROM.
Here is the Ubiquio 401 ROM, maybe somebody can extract some useful stuff from it:
ubiquio-401-v1.12.26.rar
I think it's also the same as the Gigabyte g-Smart i. g-Smart i uses WM5 AKU2. I don't know which AKU the Ubiquio uses.
Gnat,
There's one big issue in all this... When someone wants to seriously mess around with an operating system and it's "BIOS" (aka booloader) having direct access to the hardware is a must. Since we don't know the JTAG test point pins for the magician and knowing that no one is willing to trash their magician so that we can find out where they are located on the magician's PCB, (which would allow us to test various bootloaders + roms, without the risk of loosing our magicians), i doubt that anyone in here is willing to do blind tests with different model ROMs / Cooked roms, without some sort of backup like this one.
Check the last pages of this thread so to see what i'm talking about...(hell, check all this thread so to see what can happen when you flash something and there's a problem with it or along the installation of it...) : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319354
So, if you're willing to do this ( http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=WallabyJTAG )...or know someone that is, then we might be able to start doing something... :-|
If we had JTAG access, we could start using the Windows CE 5.0 Evaluation Kit which would allow us to communicate directly to the hardware via JTAG and test cooked bootloaders and ROMs. (check this link for more info: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa447041.aspx )
Keeper
hope this dream come true....WM6 or just WM5 for IMATE JAM
kingt0t said:
sorry for my bad english
i am a prof C++ programer
i know it sounds crazy but with the computer and programing there is no crazy
i just want a perfect rom for the Magician
why we are looking to the wm6 we want any good rom
we got the program
windows mobile 2003 rom editor
we got the rom on club i-mate
we got the cab of all good and great programs
we got one silly prob.
the passcode to edit the rom file
if i get it
give me 30 day to lunch the perfect rom
i think with the united we can make the WM Magician
the russin gays did it and they give us the txx rom right i think we can do it too
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if you do this, many will make a donation for your hard work...a NEW WM5 or WM6 ROM FOR the MAGICIAN.
Wow, that's a lot of work to find JTAG points. I have even more respect for people like Helmi if he had to find JTAG points for every device he has made a WM5 and WM6 for!
I don't think I will be finding the JTAG points on my Magician - I don't want to kill it! However, if anyone has a dead, fried or water damaged Magician, I will gladly pull the BGA off and trace the JTAG points.
If the JTAG points have a specific "signature" when viewed on an oscilloscope, I would be happy to trace them that way since I do have a 100MHz DSO available.
i hope too, this dream to ours magician
Oh btw...the taxist russian guy which released the 2.01~3TX rom did NOT made a WM6 for the magician - He simply opened up a magician ROM, changed a few icons, sounds, apps and packed it again...the Operating system still is WM2003se.
if you guys want to try and mod your own roms, use the following tools: alpinenbfdecode.pl, splitrom.pl and dumprom. They are available at the itsme website. ( http://www.xs4all.nl/~itsme/projects/xda/ )
Anyway, check this thread...there's a small script on how to re-create the XIP structure: http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=3924&st=1020#entry744997
Once again, this ain't gonna change your OS (there's no WM5/6 IPL/SPL for the magician) - it will only allow you to mod a few things... :-(
Keeper
Zoneaone
It very fantastic for your effort. thanks.
are you still there kingT0T?
ok guys hold on you are not making it easy i think it is mush simpler then you think
we need wm6 for jam
we dont have to edit wm6 to make it work on jam
we can upgrade the wm2003se to be wm6\5
we can find upgrads and some great programs to creat a wm2003se rom "main platform" looks like the wm6 and include some services in it like the voice command and renew the dailer and add some upgrades i think this is mush better coz we will not play with fire we can just try to make the perfect choise in 2003 rom with some upgrades and patches right
okey kingt0t...so what you want to do is something like taxist did...a modded ROM with a WM2k3 kernel core...
Well, one thing that i would suggest that you could start doing, would be a new bluetooth stack based on the WM 2k5/2k6 one (widcomm, i think)...
Anyway, idk russian and has so, i don't understand much of what is said on that link, but what i did understand is that taxist found a way of modifying the programs in a way that he could insert them has XIP (eXecution In Place), without breaking the expected original execution addresses...the thing is: he never revealed how he has done it...
There's a few guys in there that are trying to do what he has done by using the three tools that i've posted previously, but idk if they did acomplished the "XIP chain ROM address redirectioning"...
Regards,
Keeper
kingt0t said:
ok guys hold on you are not making it easy i think it is mush simpler then you think
we need wm6 for jam
we dont have to edit wm6 to make it work on jam
we can upgrade the wm2003se to be wm6\5
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First prioduce a WM5.0 ROM instead of talking!
Yés kingtot wm6 4 Magician it is not a dream,it is a mirage...
kingt0t said:
we can find upgrads and some great programs to creat a wm2003se rom "main platform" looks like the wm6 and include some services in it like the voice command and renew the dailer and add some upgrades i think this is mush better coz we will not play with fire we can just try to make the perfect choise in 2003 rom with some upgrades and patches right
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I'm not sure I understand. You want a WM2003SE that only looks like WM5/WM6? But then it can't run WM5/WM6-specific apps... what purpose is that? I hardly see the point. If that's what you want, it already exists and besides, you can just use Wisbar or something similar and make a theme.
WM2003SuperSe must run wm5 apps. it's main task !!!!
still dream or stop
what's going on?
wm6 again became dream
I was just browsing the internet and I came across something VERY interesting... They say it is a standalone WM6 Rom emulator. I don't know whether or not to believe it but I know I can't try it right now. My XP partition is kinda small(40gigs) and my computer really doesn't have the Ram to run Vista anymore since I re-installed Norton 360 but I think this is something that deserves some serious attention here.
If this really works then we could potentially use this to test roms before flashing and hopefully avoid bricks in the future.
PLEASE, someone has to take a look at this...
http://www.chrisrue.com/funboard/comments.php?DiscussionID=11&page=1#Item_0
Nothing new as far as I understand it.
It is about Microsoft emulator (it has its own ROM images).
You can emulate WM 6 on a PC (with MS Visual Studio or a standalone emulator). I guess most of people know that.
*But you cannot emulate your own Wizard ROM*. This was discussed multiple times here...
Mirek
First, thanks for the linkage.
Before the release of the full standalone emulator package, I was able to use the Orcas VS beta release to install, then slide some pieces of the WM6 SDK into a rough "standalone" config. Thought it might be helpful for other folks looking to get some time with WM6 while avoiding any bricking risk to real hardware.
Since the release of the full standalone emulator package, including WM6 emulator ROMs, that linked post/thread doesn't actually mean a whole lot.
I've got some additional items on DEmu 1.0 and 2.0 using both WM5 and WM6, which can be found here:
http://www.chrisrue.com/funcave/2006/06/wm5-device-emulator-index.html
http://www.chrisrue.com/funcave/2007/03/device-emulator-v2-index.html
As stated already, the standalone emulator package doesn't really offer any benefits for cooking or testing hardware specific ROMs.
And many MANY thanks to the amazing technicolor pool of genius here at xda-developers. You've saved my bacon more times than I can count. So thanks for that!
Hello Everyone. I have been looking through the android threads and I had a simple question that I did not see answered among those threads. The questions is this.
Are there any versions of Android that can boot as soon as the phone starts up? From what I have read, you have to always launch android manually.
Sorry if I missed a thread somewhere that covers this but I have not seen it anywhere. An answer or simple point to the right direction would be much appreciated. Thank you everyone for your time.
Answer: NO.
BUT...soon to be. dzo will make it possible soon, not sure how long it will take..since he doesnt have a kaiser, but he did it for vogue and said he will do it for kaiser.
Hyden121 said:
Are there any versions of Android that can boot as soon as the phone starts up? From what I have read, you have to always launch android manually.
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Technically no, as stated before DZO is working on it.
As for a "trick" to make it "auto boot", yes there is. Change the name of your default.txt to startup.txt this makes HaRET run without asking when clicked. Now place a shortcut to HaRET in your windows/start up foder. This way windows will automatically run HaRET as soon as the phone starts. And if there is an issue with Android, just remove the SD card and restart the phone. Doing this will act like it boots into Android, just a few seconds slower
Thank you for the responses. I have an I-phone 3GS now but always appreciated the new capibilities for the Kaiser made possible by the awesome chefs in this forum. I look forward to trying an Android Rom soon.
pmcnano said:
Answer: NO.
BUT...soon to be. dzo will make it possible soon, not sure how long it will take..since he doesnt have a kaiser, but he did it for vogue and said he will do it for kaiser.
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Actually, dzo does (or did) have a Kaiser. He was responsible for the first port of Android from the Vogue to the Kaiser. He was given a Kaiser by an anonymous member of this forum. Search the big Kaiser Android thread for "anonymous" and you'll see what I mean.
Once again I have a simple question that is probably a bit n00bish.
what requirements of andriod app can you use? Ive never had a andriod phone but I know that you have andriod 1.1 1.6 2.0 etc.
Im guessing the `more recent the app,the less likely it will work.
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Once again I have a simple question that is probably a bit n00bish.
what requirements of andriod app can you use? Ive never had a andriod phone but I know that you have andriod 1.1 1.6 2.0 etc.
Im guessing the `more recent the app,the less likely it will work.
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For as far as I know: you can use most of the apps that suite our resolution used in our default.txt's and startup.txt's. Allso notice that, if an app is depending on a certain piece of hardware that is not working yet with that build, that you can't use it. For instance: we don't have working bluetooth yet, so bluetooth dependant apps could be kind of a hassle.
I have tried many builds and figured that most ION and Donut related apps seem to work for me.