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Do I have a memory leak problem?

Can someone tell me if I have a memory leak problem? Here's what I'm seeing. When I do a soft boot, and load into WM6, batterystatus reports 25.8 MB of free program memory. I'm using pocket plus, so mostly I close applications when I'm done using them, thus nothing is usually left open. As time goes on, what I see is a constant, but slow decrease in available program memory. In about a 24 hr period, I can lose up to 5-7MB. Does that sound like a memory leak, or is that just how WM operates?

I had a similar problem running WeatherPanel. My device kept creating new files, instead of update the exisiting one, in Data folder, after applied an "updated" to correct the moon issue. This killed my device since the main memory would eventually run into almost 0.
I reinstalled the application to storage card and switched back to the original dll file. So far I have not get any problem yet.

6.1 ROMs have SD Issues - anyone find a fix?

All of them that I've tried, thus far.
You MAY NOT see this, by the way, depending on your access pattern, but it is DEFINITELY HAPPENING.
The problem is that its really, really ugly - your card's data is slowly being DESTROYED.
When it hits the "wrong" file, you will find out - the hard way.
This is NOT a "cooked ROM" problem - AT&T's base 6.1 load does the same thing (!)
The EASIEST way to find it is to use Advanced Config to move the IE cache to the card, then play a while. Suddenly the device will lock. You soft reset, and all "appears" well. Its not.
How do I know its damaging data? Because it has scrambled my TomTom map files "just enough" that TomTom comes up "No Maps" (!) - but the file names ARE THERE. The signatures are destroyed - it only takes ONE BYTE of change in the wrong place to do it.
Now what the ##$)! is PIE doing writing in that directory? Its not - on purpose.
The RSS reader will reliably do this too.
If you point them at main memory, no problems. Its SPECIFIC to the SD handler.
Its also SPECIFIC to 6.1 ROMs. 6.0 does NOT exhibit the problem, yet EVERY 6.1 load I've tried can be provoked into doing this.
The only fix is DON'T WRITE TO THE SD CARD via programs. Well.... that's not the WORST thing in the world on a Kaiser as it has a lot of internal memory, but....
Anyone know what the #@#$ is going on here - or have a fix for it?
PS: If you think you're not running into this, don't say I didn't warn you when you find one of your files destroyed without warning. I have run byte-wise compares of SD images and the corruption appears to be almost completely random. And yes, its across both SDHC and non-HC cards (2GB) - both are hit by it, and I've got three, all from different manufacturers. This is VERY reproducable and its not hardware either since 6.0 does NOT exhibit the problem.

Quite interesting... which rom build are you using ?

Have tried several - the most recent being the Hyperdragon 11/15 build.
The stock AT&T 6.1 build did the same thing as soon as I switched PIE's storage to the card. Its not instantaneous but if you browse for a significant length of time it WILL do it.
Flashed to 3.29 HardSPL to be able to load the various cooked ones here, all that I've tried so far do the same thing. Flash back to 6.0 AT&T, no problems.
VERY consistent.
I just put 3.28 HardSPL on to see if that changes anything. Can't imagine why it would, but....
Its pretty subtle if you don't browse heavily - if you get a "lockup" with PIE while its set to write to the card YOU ARE SCREWED. You may not know WHICH file got smashed but I guarantee one did. If it smashes the MFT then the fun really begins (the entire card's contents are gone), but I would prefer that to a RANDOM file getting destroyed!
I have run sector-by-sector compares and have found that where it "scribbles" when it happens appears to be completely random.
And again - 6.0 does NOT do it, and if you only READ from the card, its fine.
I suspect that its a "per-event" risk and so anything that runs from the card and writes data back there EVENTUALLY will screw you - its just a matter of time.

Genesis3 said:
The EASIEST way to find it is to use Advanced Config to move the IE cache to the card, then play a while. Suddenly the device will lock. You soft reset, and all "appears" well. Its not.
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thats why it is strongly recommended NOT TO store ie cache to storage card. Keep it on device memory. There is no fix for this problem yet except keeping ie cache on device.

Sounds pretty easy to bypass the problem, eh? Don't store stuff to the card. No big deal. I mean, c'mon, it's not like we're going to run out of memory storing the IE cache on the device.
Beside that, it must only be IE as I've always used the card to store my email and attachments and have never had a problem. However, I am using a 16GB card...perhaps that makes a difference. I've been running various 6.1 ROMs (including some questionable betas) for almost a year now and have experienced ZERO corruption. Also, if it makes a difference, I perform so much data transfer with my card on a weekly basis. Pretty much filling and emptying about every third day.

It is NOT only IE.
The RSS reader that is in there (RSSHub) that HTC stuffed in the later roms does it too.
I managed to trigger it last night with RssHub; thinking IE was the only culprit cost me (another) reload of my SD card.
Be careful - if its per-event risk then ANYTHING you store on the card (e.g. pictures, etc) could cause it, and apps like TomTom that write places you set as destinations to as a cache can cause it too - its just that being data dependant the more often you write, the higher the risk.
BTW this is a 6.1 issue that does NOT affect the Wizard - I have had a custom (I cooked it) 6.1 ROM on my Wizard for six+ months without a single screwup. But I've yet to find a 6.1 ROM for the Kaiser that DOESN'T have this problem.
BTW, is there a 6.1 ROM around WITHOUT the new PIE? God I hate the new format on that thing...

I have been beating on PIE stored on the card, plus RSS stored on the card now for over an hour - after loading HardSPL 3.28 (was running 3.29) and SO FAR I haven't had it happen.
Now this doesn't mean much, but that I got a solid couple of hours in without it blowing up - when I was pretty reliably able to do it previously - might be significant.
Or maybe not.
I'll run this way for a week or so and see if I can get it to misbehave.... I have card backups

yah i have learnt to back up my sd all the time cause im CONSTANTLY getting corruption..but corruption i can see like messed uop names and folders which ive found more consistant when i have sd power settings set to enabled in advanced config..

I have also witnessed RSSHub destroying my card several times
I remember this problem when WM5 came out on the Artemis. It was linked to the power state and the device going into sleep mode. It never occured when you used the power button, only when it went into automatic sleep. I think there are options in schaps advanced config regarding this - might be worth a try.

Genesis3 said:
Have tried several - the most recent being the Hyperdragon 11/15 build.
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I mean CE build number and aku. We have now many available builds from which to choose, and we could investigate whether it's a problem related to an HTC driver alone or if there's something in the SYS services too which has to be patched. I'm not talking about workarounds at all.

20931.1.5.0 (assuming the SYS and XIP were ported)
I don't have the numbers from the AT&T load handy.
Downgrading the SPL MAY have fixed it. I haven't had a lock/trash since last night when I changed the SPL. Hmmmm..... that "hotfix" may have been a "hotf$ck" instead.
Will update as/when I learn more.

This is NOT WM6.1 problem, if anything - it is WinMo's problem in general (all versions).
I have witnessed exactly same problem on WM 2003, WM2003SE, WM5, WM6 and WM6.1 - and I bet its the same on WM2002 and WM2000 (I just never had any of those ancient devices).
Solution is very simple:
DO NOT move IE cache to SD card, that's all.
Unless you have to (i.e. my iPAQ 6515 have literally no space left on Main Storage and I have to use SD for IE cache etc) then simply make at least weekly backups of your SD on your PC, its not a big deal, but it is annoying like hell (specially when it happens "on the road").

I have same problem several times!
Most offen it's happend in A***OS Smart Rom (don't remember full name), then i flash into wm6.1 off and it happends only one time. I use StorageTools to ix My Card after that (not data, only card)...
Is this heal????

Just use Opera browser. I dont have that problem in my tilt, although i did had problem with hermes, and scan and fix errors for the card made it go away. And i also a 2GB card, maybe it is an issue with higher storage capacity cards.

hi there, i have similar problem with my vario 3, i have installed all my application on sd card including tomtom. I have about 500 mp3 and pictures. i can listen to music all day at work but when turn my tomtom on, it says no maps found and then everything disappears on the sd card. it still shows in memory status that i have used 70% of my sd card but it doesn't show anything in win explorer.
i think it might have caused by installing tomtom on sd card.
can anyone help please?

mohsin_75 said:
hi there, i have similar problem with my vario 3, i have installed all my application on sd card including tomtom. I have about 500 mp3 and pictures. i can listen to music all day at work but when turn my tomtom on, it says no maps found and then everything disappears on the sd card. it still shows in memory status that i have used 70% of my sd card but it doesn't show anything in win explorer.
i think it might have caused by installing tomtom on sd card.
can anyone help please?
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To recover that files you can use de windows tool error checking that will recover your files but to the found.000 folder (hidden), but the files are useless because is will be on the wrong extension and name
you have now 2 solutions:
1 - is guest the extension of that files and rename it
or
2- use the program named "getbackdata for fat" and it will correct the name and the file extension but not the correct name of the folder where it was. but better than nothing.
hope i could help

I saw this many times with RSSHUB - finally moved to main mem and have not seen it since. I also don't use PIE. It will be interesting to see if its 3.59 causing the issue, please keep us posted. I went a bought a new card thinking that it was a bad card:

If you're running 3.29 get it off your device - in fact, there should be a WARNING on the page for the various HardSPL versions. This may be device version specific (are there multiple hardware versions of the Kaiser as there are with the MDA?) but on MINE, 3.29 does this repeatedly.
I have now been running 3.28 for a week with ALL power management enabled, RSSHub and PIE caching to the storage card, and all my user-loaded apps running from the storage card, and I have been intentionally pounding the everloving hell out of it to try to get it to misbehave.
ZERO ISSUES.
The ONLY thing I changed was the SPL. I didn't even reflash the ROM (just the SPL) when I changed it - just used Jump to get back into the "superCID" mode and flashed 3.29 down to 3.28.
If you're running something other than 3.28, try 3.28.
So far, one week in, it has completely fixed this problem on my Kaiser.

Genesis3 said:
If you're running 3.29 get it off your device - in fact, there should be a WARNING on the page for the various HardSPL versions. This may be device version specific (are there multiple hardware versions of the Kaiser as there are with the MDA?) but on MINE, 3.29 does this repeatedly.
I have now been running 3.28 for a week with ALL power management enabled, RSSHub and PIE caching to the storage card, and all my user-loaded apps running from the storage card, and I have been intentionally pounding the everloving hell out of it to try to get it to misbehave.
ZERO ISSUES.
The ONLY thing I changed was the SPL. I didn't even reflash the ROM (just the SPL) when I changed it - just used Jump to get back into the "superCID" mode and flashed 3.29 down to 3.28.
If you're running something other than 3.28, try 3.28.
So far, one week in, it has completely fixed this problem on my Kaiser.
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Does this happen with both cmonex’s & jockeyw2001’s HardSPL 3.29?

It happens with the ORIGINAL REAL 3.29 SPL that AT&T is shipping with their STOCK 6.1 ROMs!
That's not one of the hacked ones - that's OEM. I was able to REPEATEDLY lock the device and scramble the card by sticking PIE's cache on the card with the stock AT&T ROM.
I'm near 100% convinced its the 3.29 SPL that is FUBAR'd and not the hacking on it. I don't know why it should matter (its just a boot loader) but perhaps its doing something funky with the SD interface and whatever it does survives ROM initialization during the boot process.
In any event with 3.28 on my Kaiser I have had ZERO ISSUES with SD corruption or freezes of any kind, going on a week now. I've had no reason to reset it - at all - during that time.
I won't call this "conclusive" for another week or two, but given that with my usual usage I wouldn't survive ONE HOUR on 3.29, well, you tell me.

Program files on storage card "cannot be opened"

I have a Tmobile Wing with an 8gb memory card. I install almost all my programs to the card, unless it's something 'intrinsic' like Office Mobile, OneNote Mobile, etc. I use the card heavily for homework files, field and lab data, and notetaking for my classes.
Installed programs include:
Mobipocket
Goosync
Ultrasoft Money
Skype
CacheMate/CacheNav
Stuff I've done:
Pagepool to 6mb (has been this way for a LONG time)
BatteryStatus is also installed, but I found it after the hard reset I describe below. Haven't been brave enough to use the overclock function yet.
My program list has stayed pretty much the same...the most recent addition was Skype. I haven't dropped or drowned the phone.
Occasionally, as long as I've had the phone (about a year), I would notice that the Goosync and Mobipocked icons in my start menu would disappear (they would appear as a generic 'program' icon; you know, square with a blue bar at top). Sometimes they would come back, but they would always disappear again.
In the past week, the shortcuts ceased to function entirely. I get the message:
"The file <insert program I'm trying to use here> cannot be opened. Either it is not signed with a trusted certificate or one of its components cannot be found. If the problem persists, try reinstalling or restoring this file."
So I followed directions and reinstalled the programs. They worked...once. Then I went back to getting the error. Suddenly NO programs installed on the memory card will run. They still appear in the Remove Programs list, so I even tried uninstalling them and reinstalling with no success. So I did a hard reset and started over from scratch.
Same problem. No programs installed to the memory card can be launched after the first time. I downloaded Google Maps just to see if a new program that hadn't been installed before had the same problem, and it is exhibiting the same behavior. I can launch a program newly installed to the card once, and then it no longer works.
I went ahead and installed my programs to main memory so I can have them for school; they work fine from there. But I'd sure like to move some back to the storage card. I have no problem accessing word, excel, etc, documents from the card.
I hope I've described this intelligently; I searched for the error message and saw a thread from 2005 under Universal:Universal, but couldn't figure out if they solved their problem or not.
Hoping someone can help me. I'm about ready to pull my hair out.

have you tried using a different card? considering that you still had the problem after a hard reset, my guess is that the problem is the card.

I hadn't considered that because it's only programs that are affected, all the word or excel files are fine, as are my ebooks, but I will try to round up another card somewhere to try. Thanks.

Lag Issue Solved......sort of

Hi all,
I've been having major issues with my HD2 ever since i got it. Whats been happening is i get lag quite a lot causing the handset to lock up and i have to leave it alone for about 30 seconds before it returns to normal.
Today i managed to find what i believe is causing the problem. It all seems to stem from using opera, as today i noticed that after i closed opera the task manager indicated that opera application wasn't running but the process opera9.exe was still running. Whilst it was running it was sat between 90-99% cpu usage and if i tried to use the phone for anything i got major lag. After about 30 seconds the opera process would end and the phone would return to normal.
Phone Details
Opera - 9.7 Build 35627
Rom - 1.66.405.2 (76641) WWE
Manila - 2.5.19211619.0
I have seen roms with a later build of opera for example
Dutty Opera_Browser_9_70_35989_0 - Dutty ML V3 1.77 EN||1.72 V2.8 SV|DE|FR|NL|IT|ES|PT|DA|NO|5.2.21901
Where can i get hold of a cab to try and sort out my issue?

Try HERE..........................................

Thanks for the link.......just tried 9.7 build 35801 but thats just the same.
I might try and flash the 1.66 stock rom again to see if that sorts it out.

Check out this registry key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Opera\Preload
Name: RealExit
If it's 0 make it 1 and soft reset.

Just checked and it was already set to 1.
Because I've had this issue before I did a hard reset and left it standard with the exception of moving the opera cache location to the storage card. I have just reset that back to default and things seem to behaving. Could the size of the cache folder cause problems?
I'll try moving it back to the storage card and see if it starts doing it again.

Just an Idea, is your opera cache set to your sd card or memory?
I had this, if i had it set to phone memory and tried to open a file (eg video) and not save it it would kill my phone.
Hope it helps

OK guys i've found the root cause of the problem when i get with lag for about 30 seconds after closing opera.
Its the size of the cache directory and location. (works fine when on device)
What i did was delete the cache directory on my memory card and over the day did some browsing. I kept checking the size of the cache folder and as i got towards 3Mb things started to slow down after i closed opera. I checked in the task manager and the opera9.exe remained running for about 20-30 seconds during which time if i tried to do anything i got major lag issues.
I then renamed the opera9 cache directory and started opera and all was back to normal.
I then renamed the cache directory back and the lag started again.
Currently my cache directory is 3.98Mb.......does any one else experience this?
I'm just about to try another memory card (2Gb) to see if its down to the card..............also can you limit the size of the cache directory anywhere as i cannot be bothered to keep going into the setting and clearing out the cache directory............and yes i know there are programs like cleartemp which can do this for me but i just dont like keep adding apps for the sake of it?

I set my cache to zero and it runs fast all the time

tzuyang said:
I set my cache to zero and it runs fast all the time
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Ok, thanks for that.......so what is the setting in opera:config for the cache size?

Just tried a different micro sd card and that lags the same.
I have just reset the cache location back to the device and moved the actual cache folder from the memory card to the device and I don't get any lag.......opera9.exe ends straight away when I exit opera.
The 8Gb card I have is a class 4 and the 2Gb card is a class 2........is there anyone using the memory card as the cache location with folder size above 4Mb? and does your opera9.exe process (not application) end straight away when you exit opera?

[Q] Apps on SDcard go missing? usually??

Is anyone running into a problem with apps that have been moved to sdcard just disappearing? Most of the time I see little green droid icons all over my launcher (ADW), and lots of missing apps in the app drawer. I can reboot several times and eventually all show up.
I'm running ee4_debloated-v421 / 0730_charge_voodoo kernel / sdcard_patch. Am on my second handset (first one had a clicky button go dead). The earlier handset occasionally did the same thing.
I presume the sdcard is the culprit, as it is the common element. But I have popped it out, run fdisk and defrag all with no errors.
Any theories??

I had this happen when I first got my charge. How I fixed it was I took the SDCard out of my phone and put it into my flash media reader, and then did a full format using HP's Format tool with default device settings. It took a long time to do the full format, but after doing so, I didn't have any more issues with apps disappearing that were installed to the SDCard.

Full format, huh... (gulp) well it's certainly worth a try! I'll report back.
Thanks,
Larry

ljcorsa said:
Full format, huh... (gulp) well it's certainly worth a try! I'll report back.
Thanks,
Larry
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I know when the phone first came out, there were several users with SDCard problems. I'm not sure how others fixed them, but a full format and a half hour or so fixed mine

Well, I'm disappointed to report that the problem did not disappear :-( Could it be the contents? I copied *everything* from the card before full formatting with the HP tool (which tooks hours as you said), then copied it all back. Same result... if I reboot enough times it will come up with all apps showing.
I've ordered a Class 10 card. Plan to use the HP tool on it straight away. What else would you recommend? Maybe move all the apps back to the phone? Would you start from a fresh load of the ROM?
Many thanks,
Larry

ljcorsa said:
Well, I'm disappointed to report that the problem did not disappear :-( Could it be the contents? I copied *everything* from the card before full formatting with the HP tool (which tooks hours as you said), then copied it all back. Same result... if I reboot enough times it will come up with all apps showing.
I've ordered a Class 10 card. Plan to use the HP tool on it straight away. What else would you recommend? Maybe move all the apps back to the phone? Would you start from a fresh load of the ROM?
Many thanks,
Larry
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I know that DroidXcon over in the Android Central forums advises NOT to move apps over to the SDcard because of problems like you have experienced...the higher (class) speed card may help. I've noticed that on my stock class 2 card when I view a subdirectory that contains large wallpaper files using QuickPic or Gallery, the thumbnails will often "time out" and not display towards the end of the list unless I refresh the listing several times. I would assume it is for the same reason that recording video to the class 2 card will time out after a few minutes.
Good luck with the Class 10 card...keep us posted!!!

Well, the Class 10 arrived in time to try again, so formatted with HP Utility and copied all the saved files over. Same behavior.
If it's the sheer quantity of apps on the SD card and there is a timeout involved, that might explain it! Reformatting the card would effectively defrag it which would speed it up, perhaps explaining imnuts' observation. And if reading in all those apps at startup is not I/O bound but maybe CPU bound, that would explain my experience.
I'm going to try moving apps back to the phone just to see.

Wow, this is persistent. Moved all the apps from SD back to phone using TiB, which seemed to hang sometimes. Tried different access methods with no clear winner. Anyway, after a reboot, the situation was unchanged. Unreal.
So I am starting from scratch with a freshly-formatted Class10 card, a full data/cache wipe, and a new ROM: GummyChargedFE1.9.1. Haven't had a problem yet, but haven't restored anything to SD either. Proceeding cautiously.

Ok, I'm converted. GummyChargedFE1.9.1 solved this problem. Everything seems to run better. Added the V6 SuperCharger thing which tweaks minfree levels and much more, and the combination runs extremely well.
Biggest problem for me is that I'm satisfied... spent the last two years trying to get my "original" Droid to run well, then got the Charge, started over. What do I do for an encore?

Fast Boot option may be the culprit
In case anyone is following this old thread ...
I did not need to install a new ROM
CUT TO THE SOLUTION BELOW -- SEARCH FOR ////
Some (not all) of my apps moved to SD (all by Titanium Backup Pro) have begun to disappear and (sometimes) reappear without warning after I began to add and delete large Virtual Machines created in QEMU from my 16GB SanDisc class 10 microSD card on my HTC Droid Incredible running rooted stock Verizon Android Froyo 2.2.3. I know this thread is far from my phone's "home base", but from what I can tell this problem with disappearing apps located on an sdcard is NOT determined by hardware or even Android version.
I also happen to use LauncherPro by Federico Carnales instead of the built-in HTC Sense launcher. I noted elsewhere on XDA that a user had suggested that because at least some (maybe all) launchers start before the SD Card that this may be a problem, especially if changes are made to the sdcard that the launcher did not perform, or was not active during their performance by other apps such as Titanium Backup. That fits my situation, because I unmounted the SD, physically removed it to a PC, and added/deleted large VM files to save (lots) of time. No problems of this sort before I did this, so there must be some connection.
I noted that other users have tried reformatting SD, substituting different brands of SD, using newer/older SD etc. None of these reliably helped. So I skipped these options.
//// The (simple!) solution I tried that SEEMS to work (only time will tell!) is buried in the main Android Settings (accessed from the Menu button while in Home screen). Under "Applications" there is a setting "Fast Boot" that I checked long ago and forgot about (it seemed like a good thing to do at the time). The text warns "Turn off to use some Market apps" (that shows the age of my 2-yr old used phone and Android OS -- ohmygosh!-- because it refers to Market rather than Google Play Store!) Anyway, I unchecked the option and rebooted the phone.
Yes, it took a bit longer to boot (maybe a whole minute!), but after waiting about another minute ALL my home screen apps had normal icons and loaded properly. Titanium Backup Pro batch scenarios confirmed there were no apps in a forced uninstalled state (i.e. I had not done the deed, the system somehow had done it or at least rendered the apps "invisible" to Titanium, which decided they needed reinstallation).
The only odd behaviour was that auto brightness was turned off after I unchecked Fast Boot and rebooted. Going into Android Settings > Display and rechecking "auto brightness" took care of that. No other oddities or strange behaviours thus far (but it has only been about an hour).
I will report back here on this thread only (Samsung Fascinate > Fascinate Q&A > What just happend? apps on sdcard) if anything else requires reporting. Silence implies success!
link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1873670
(I am copying this post to other relevant threads, but will not post anything further elsewhere -- only there. This is a bit arbitrary (although this thread appears to be the most recent active one on this topic), but I hope this approach pleases the XDA sysops/admins) :angel: