Listen to your Pocket PC on your traditional mono Bluetooth headset and/or use its built-in microphone for PDA-based recording!
(I’ve been constantly receiving questions about all these questions on various Pocket PC boards and newsgroups; now that I’m tired of answering the same question at least five times a day, I’ve decided to dedicate a complete write-up to it.)
I’ve published several articles on A2DP and AVRCP (please see the Bluetooth category in the Smartphone & Pocket PC Magazine Expert Blog), which is a great way to listen to music wirelessly in (almost) Hi-Fi quality and stereo.
The “traditional” headset mode, on the other hand, may be much more useful for much more Pocket PC users because
There are much more cheap, “traditional”, mono Bluetooth headsets than expensive and bulky A2DP stereo headphones. They are available in all phone shops everywhere and are used by, it seems, everywhere. An example of them is the X3 micro, of which Jack Cook has just published an excellent review
To listen to, say, GPS navigation, the (not very good, phone-grade) quality of these headsets may be sufficient
Furthermore, they offer two serious (!) advantages over the A2DP mode, because of which you may want to go for the traditional headset mode instead of the high-quality A2DP mode even if you have a full-blown A2DP stereo headphone:
when you actively connect a headset device to your PDA, you will not only use the PDA-to-headset sound routing, but also the opposite direction. That is, if you, for example, want to use your PDA to record your speech (and that of your environment), and the slightly degraded (recording) sound recording quality (which won’t really be an issue when you only plan to record speech) isn’t an issue, you may want to opt for using your headset to record your speech as opposed to your PDA, which, then, can even be in your pocket or even in your suitcase.
the CPU usage of the “plain” PDA-to- headset unit will be about an order of magnitude less than that of A2DP. For example, on the non-overclocked HTC Wizard, device.exe consumes between 28 and 35% with A2DP, depending on the quality. With simple non-Hi-Fi / non-stereo sound routing, device.exe doesn’t consume anything at all, compared to the default (sound isn’t routed) case. That is, when battery life and / or responsiveness is of paramount importance and the heavy sound quality degradation / lack of stereo, you may want to prefer the low-quality, mono but non-battery-consuming headset mode to high-quality, but heavily battery-consuming mode, which also makes your Pocket PC much less responsive.
Being able to constantly (!) route the sound of your PDA to your mono headset, first, depends on the maker of your built-in Bluetooth stack. In here, Widcomm / Broadcom users (Widcomm is used in most PDA’s with operating systems prior to WM5 except for the Phone Edition models of HTC; as far as WM5 models are concerned, all Acers, HP iPAQs have sticked with this stack; the majority of Fujitsu-Siemens Pocket PC’s (except for the T8x0) and all Dell Axims (which were all Widcomm-based in the pre-WM5 times) have switched to the Microsoft BT stack), as usual, have a lead because they don’t need additional hacks / third-party applications, as opposed to the Microsoft stack.
Widcomm / Broadcom BT stack
The newer Widcomm / Broadcom BT stack versions (starting with BT stack 1.5 built into most Widcomm-based WM2003SE devices; this is also true with 1.6 and the latest 1.7, which is used in current Widcomm-based WM5 Pocket PC’s) all natively support routing the sound to your mono headset (and, of course, vice versa) as can be seen in this and this screenshots. That is, in these devices, just go to Bluetooth Manager / New, switch the headset to discoverable mode and select Hands-free / Headset setup. After creating a shortcut to the connection, just double-click it to connect (or, press the button on your headset / switch it on; then, they may automatically connect. Note that, with some headsets (for example, the Plantronics Pulsar 590A and the Dell Axim x51v with the Widcomm BT hack, the "hacked" (see below) HP iPAQ 2210 or the WM5-upgraded iPAQ hx4700), after connection, you'll need to press the headset button once more, when you hear a ringing sound. It's only then that the sound routing will be started.)
Older Widcomm versions (up to 1.4 built into most pre-WM2003SE Pocket PC’s; for example, the HP iPAQ 2210), however, don’t offer Hands-free / Headset setup in the Bluetooth Manager, in the New / Connect! list as can be seen in the following screenshots: 1 2. There, all you will need to do is
changing HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ Widcomm\BtConfig\ Services\0005\ Enabled from 0 to 1 in the Registry as can also be seen in here. After this, a new item, Connect a headset, will be added to the above New / Connect! list as can be seen in here.
changing HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ Drivers\ BuiltIn\ WaveDev\ Dll to btceif.dll. Make sure you export (or, at least, remember) the original name of this if it's different from wavedev.dll - you'll need it when you want to switch back to the built-in speaker.
Note that this tutorial also elaborates on these two steps (it, however, adds no relevant information so you don't have to read it) and I've also uploaded two registry import files to make the switch much easier. Here's the registry import file to enable sound routing and here's the one to disable it. Also note that you must reset your device after applying the registry changes as, unlike the BT stack-only hacks, which "only" make it necessary to restart the BT stack itself, the second, HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ Drivers\ BuiltIn\ WaveDev\ Dll hack, will only be used after a reset because it's a system-wide hack.
After this hack, you can go on as usual: after selecting Connect a headset, the device will find the headset, you just enter the PIN (0000 or, in very few cases, 1234) and, by clicking Finish here, let the system create the shortcut for you.
Note that, despite being able to connect to the headset now, these "hacked" pre-WM2003SE devices are not guaranteed to flawlessly work with the headsets. For example, some HP WM2003 Pocket PC models are known not to be able to use them at all; for example, the HP iPAQ 4150. Unfortunately, in these cases, installing the well-known HP 1.6 BT update (see my A2DP articles on what it is) doesn’t help either: as opposed to the registry hack (which doesn’t help with this BT stack version any more) it won’t list “Connect to headset” (or, as it's called in never, 1.5+ Widcomm versions, Hands-free / Headset setup) any more in New (1 2 3) and, when you directly discover the services of a headset and select the (only) “Headset” profile they offer, connection attempts will always fail.
Microsoft BT stack
The situation is in no way so easy as with the Widcomm BT stack as it’s only with phone calls (if the device contains a phone at all) that it will actively use the headset, nothing else (for example, music, GPS instructions etc).
Therefore, you’ll need to use third-party applications to re-route the sound.
There are several solutions to this problem:
BTAudio 810 (also see this and this thread). Works great on the Wizard (with the 2.26 Molski ROM) but not on the Axim x51v (none of the audio re-routing solutions worked on it; therefore, you may end up having to install the Widcomm BT stack on it, which also offers flawless sound redirection to mono, non-A2DP headsets).
Installation: The ZIP file contains three files; just copy them anywhere on your Pocket PC (simply BTAudioToggle.exe may be enough) and, when you want to toggle the sound target, just execute BTAudioToggle.exe (or, alternatively, when you want to start/stop the sound routing, execute BTAudioOn.exe/BTAudioOff.exe, respectively.)
TP.com Btaudio (also see this) didn’t offer anything of importance in the case of the x51v either: with my AKU2.3 A12 ROM, the PDA still wouldn’t discover the Hands-free profile of my headset (only the wireless stereo, but it, in our case, has no use at all). It didn't work on my Wizard either. You may have better luck though; also make sure you read the linked thread (and also look around for other, related threads at XDA-Developers.)
Installation: The downloadable ZIP file contains a CAB file; just install it on your PDA.
Bluetooth sound: (also see this): while it’s reported to work great on the HTC TyTN (Hermes), it has no effect on the Dell Axim x51v / HTC Wizard at all (and is also reported not to work on the HTC Universal either). After installing it, BTAudio 810 stopped working; fortunately, the uninstall worked OK and, then, BTAudio 810 started to work again.
Installation: The downloadable ZIP file contains a CAB file; just install it on your PDA.
Teksoft's BlueMusic: (also see this): you may want to give this title a try too. It doesn’t work on my HTC Wizard (only if you previously enable sound re-routing with BTAudio 810; then, it’ll be able to switch it off and on but this functionality can also be used with the “original” BTAudio 810 and, therefore, there is not much point in installing (and, for that matter, paying for) BlueMusic in addition to the free and smaller BTAudio 810) and Axim x51v, but others have reported success with other models.
Installation: Install the software following the tutorial in install.en.txt in the downloadable ZIP file.
BTAudioNav by infamous PPC hacker, co-author of the Dell Axim x50/x51 Widcomm BT stack hack beemer: this hack allows for redirecting the sound of a particular (for example, GPS) application only. It also makes sure it reconnects to the headset after a phone call, unlike (some of?) the alternatives. It's available here; if you don't want to register yourself in the forum to be able to download the file, you can also get it from here (I've mirrored it there). Please see either the above (Spanish) thread or beemer's comments here for more information on the usage.
Verdict
If you have the Microsoft BT stack, check out BTAudio 810 first - or beemer's BTAudioNav. It’s the smallest and cleanest, free solution, which seems to be working just great. If you have the Widcomm BT stack, just use the built-in headset redirection capabilities (with the necessary hacking with earlier BT stacks if needed).
UPDATE (11/05/2006): discussions of this article: HowardForums.
Tutorial updated
Cingular 8525 BT Audio
Thank you for your help here. However, not matter what I've tried, I can't seem to get the audio to stream from my Cingular 8525 to my Plantronics 510 headset.
If anyone has specific advice on the 8525, please let me know.
Thank you.
HogFarmer said:
Thank you for your help here. However, not matter what I've tried, I can't seem to get the audio to stream from my Cingular 8525 to my Plantronics 510 headset.
If anyone has specific advice on the 8525, please let me know.
Thank you.
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Strange. Have you checked out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=278778 ?
Yes. I tried that. Just to be sure...
1. I uninstalled everything I tried previously.
2. Soft Reset
3. Installed the .cab at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=278778
4. Soft Rest
5. Turned on BT
6. Turned on my BT Headset
7. Music in WMP and TCPMP still plays through the speaker, not my headset
Any help is appreciated.
My mistake.
I missed the part about initiating the Voice Command function from my headset. Sure enough, that did the trick!
Thanks for your help!!!!
Please help me!!!!
I cant get my blackjack to stream the music to my BT headset, I have a WEP170 Samsung headset and i cant hear the music through the headset. please help me out with this situation. the phone says that it is bluetooth mode but there is no sound in the headset.
Please Help???????
Results of BTAudio 810 on Blackjack
Prior to using BTAudio 810 on my Blackjack, I found that I could listen to WMP using a wired headset (though the volume was very low), but it would not send WMP audio to my Jabra BT350. Regular phone operation with the Jabra worked fine.
When I tried the BTAudio 810, I could hear a slight hiss in my Jabra, as if something was happening, but alas no WMP audio was coming through. Notably, WMP audio was no longer coming through the device speaker. I switched to the Notes app and recorded a note through the Jabra - that worked.
I looked around for reasons why BTAudio wouldn't work on the Blackjack, and didn't find much. There was a xda dev thread that hypothesized that Samsung had done something with the audio gateway portion of the MS BT stack.
I'm still hoping for a solution to get audio to my Jabra.
what works???
There has to be someone out there who has found something that works. i am getting desperate. i have tried every program out there and nothing works. i have the same problem. i here a hiss but nothing works. is there a hack that can rewrite the BT stack or something!!!!
newbienew said:
is there a hack that can rewrite the BT stack or something!!!!
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You may want to check out the Wizard / TyTN Widcomm stack threads.
UPDATE (12/26/2006): Should you have audio reconnection problems, check out THIS.
Music on my Cingular 8525 using plantronics mono bt!!
Thank You!! I had about given up all hope when I transferred your cab over to my device, ran it, did a soft reset, and then pushed my voice command button after reboot. I then started my wmp and voila! Works perfectly. You are the best!!!
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Thank You!! I had about given up all hope when I transferred your cab over to my device, ran it, did a soft reset, and then pushed my voice command button after reboot. I then started my wmp and voila! Works perfectly. You are the best!!!
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You're welcome and welcome to XDA-Dev
Blackjack Mono Bluetooth
Still nothing related to piping the audio through a standard Bluetooth headset on the Samsung i607 Blackjack? I'm simply shocked that the stack is implemented in such a proprietary way. I just can't seen using a full Stereo Bluetooth Headset at work or anywhere else for that matter. If anyone has any info on whether or not Samsung is planning to fix this issue (and when), please post... I'm definitely willing to wait for a fix, or even a Bluetooth earbud that supports A2DP. Thanks!
Anything that works on Trinity?
Treo 700w?
Anyone manage to accomplish this on the treo 700w/wx yet?
BT AudioNav
For the record, I used BTAudioNav for a couple of days, using it to invoke TomTom v6. The audio connection worked flawlessly, but it seemed to cause TomTom to lag badly. It consistently gave instructions 200-800 metres later than it should (distance was speed dependent). I was warned of a radar camera after I had passed it ... not fun eh?
I dropped it and went on with my search for the ideal. Just installed the Mortscript solution provided several posts higher so we'll see how things work when I drive home tonight
<update>Didn't work. TomTom failed to come through the headset. Perhaps I was doing something wrong so I'll re-read everything tonite.</update>
<ashamed>Me again ... Ignore the last load of rubbish </ashamed>
I installed to non-default places so its no wonder I naffed up! The Mortscript/Vijay solution is giving me sound, and resets itself after I've switched to voice command with the phone button, and after I've received a phonecall. Tom Tom will have to wait 'till I go home this p.m. but right now I have to say ... YAAAHOOOOOO !!
Bluetooth Sound on Dopod D810
Bluetooth sound works for me on my Dopod D810. Thanks for the info and file link!
hi,
i have an artemis, and bt audio works great to route the sound to my headset, but i want to route the mic of the headset to the phone ...
(to use with voip software, sjphone, skype)
but i don't find a solution to route mic to the pda ans not use the internal mic ...
Thank you very much
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Do your stereo Bluetooth headphones disconnect from your WM5 AKU2 Pocket PC right after starting to play anything in any media player? Here’s the solution!
I’ve often reported on a severe problem with WM5 AKU2-based Pocket PC’s (that is, ones using the built-in A2DP support in the Microsoft Bluetooth stack in all AKU2.x (and later) versions) and some? one? Bluetooth stereo headphones model, the Plantronics Pulsar 590(A/e). After initially connecting it to the originator Pocket PC (in Bluetooth Settings / Devices, clicking and holding the given headphones icon and selecting “Set as Wireless Stereo” in the context menu) and starting playing any multimedia content in any media player, the sound goes away in a few hundred milliseconds. This is the case with all AKU2+ Microsoft BT stacks I’ve tested the 590 against; for example, that of the AKU2 HTC Universal and the Dell Axim x51v with the A12 ROM upgrade.
There is a very simple but, unfortunately, (still) not widely published solution to this problem. After you’ve initially connected the PDA to your headphones (the standard, “Set as Wireless Stereo” way from the Devices tab) and the sound goes away (again), just suspend (power off) your Pocket PC (some 2-3 seconds will suffice). Then, after powering it up again, reconnect the headphones to the PDA – but, now, not via “Set as Wireless Stereo”, but using the “Establish a connection” button (which is, in most cases, the play / pause / stop button on the headphones) on your headphones. The devices will connect and voila – the transmission won’t stop any more.
You’ll rarely need to repeat this process as you will only encounter this problem only after you reconnect the PDA to the headphones via “Set as Wireless Stereo” and not using the headphones’ (re)connect hardware button. This, however, will only be needed to be used in extreme cases – for example, when you use your stereo BT headphones with more than one A2DP source and you often switch between them. Then, in order to make your current stream source the default for the headphones (it’ll always try to auto-connect to the A2DP source it was last associated with if you initiate the connection using the hardware Connect button on the headphones), you will need to use “Set as Wireless Stereo” and, consequently, the Suspend-and-reconnect-from-the-headset trick outlined above. In all other cases (for example, after powering up your PDA / headphones), this won’t be needed as you can connect your stereo headphones to your PDA with a simple Connect button press on the headphones.
(Thanks for HowardForums forum member Fire Dragan 418 for his original tip (thread here))
Hi there,
I don't know where to ask this, so it went to "General".
I've got a JasJar running WM6 and it happily runs stereo music on my Motorola HT820 bluetooth headset. I also have Sony BT2500 car stereo system which supports bluetooth phone as well as A2DP. with my HT820, I just turn the headset on and jasjar sees the headset and connects to it, but with the BT2500 only the phone part is automatically connected. if I want to listen to music I have to (on my jasjar) go to settings/connections/bluetooth and tap and hold on my xplod (my sony BT2500) and set it as wireless stereo.
is there any way to avoid this step (as I'm usually driving when i have to do this)? if not, is there an easy way to do it with one hand and no tap and hold ?
Cheers,
Shafa
Hey Shafa,
I've got the same problem with my Prophet and a Pioneer BTB200. So far i found no solution, so i most likely will have to write a program to connect to a BTdevice as wireless stereo, if it autoconnects as a handsfree device and is a2dp capable.
hey Lemmz,
I'm very interested to know what API you have to call to do this...
Cheers,
Shafa
HTC Faraday
Hello all,
Are there any resources here for the Cingular 2125 , I would like to port linux on the 2125. sorry if i have mis-posted.
thanks,
rvb
@shafa:
there is a Bt_api.h in the wm5 SDK which defines a function called RequestBluetoothNotifications; so far i found
RequestBluetoothNotifications
Handling Events from the Bluetooth Stack
Retrieving AVDTP Connection State
My idea would be to monitor all bluetooth connection events (most likely via a service), see which device (auto)connects and if it is a handsfree-device and supports wireless-stereo, initiate pairing for the latter.
i will try to do some coding later today. i'll keep you informed.
Cheers,
lemmz
Ok, so far i can recieve bt-related events. unfortunately i've found no info on how to initiate an a2dp connection microsoft-style. There's tons of code for AudioGateway stuff, but imho thats pretty useless.
Looking at the registry i found in HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Services\0000110B-(...) reference to "Wireless Stereo" and bthutil.dll. looking at the WM6 SDK, bthutil.h, there are just two functions, BthGetMode and BthSetMode, for turning BT on and off.
I'm also looking at the sources for the (settings->connections->bluetooth)-Dialog, btenum.cxx and btmgmtui.cpp, maybe there is some info on this.
Edit:
btw, this 0000110B thing is referred to as AudioSinkServiceClass_UUID. But no luck on that either.
Soo, i think i'm quite close now...
DRVM_MAPPER_PREFERRED_SET -- with waveOutMessage you can switch soundoutput to different devices, unfortunately for a2dp it returns NOTSUPPORTED.
But within the a2dp driver i found some messages:
WODM_BT_SCO_AUDIO_CONTROL, WODM_OPEN_CLOSE_A2DP, WODM_PARAM_OPEN_A2DP
they seem to initiate a connection and set the preferred output device, just like the DRVM_MAPPER_PREFERRED_SET should. Tonight i'll experiment with it.
SUCCESS!!
It worked just as i though: a single command does all the work.
waveOutMessage((HWAVEOUT)devId, WODM_OPEN_CLOSE_A2DP, WODM_PARAM_OPEN_A2DP, NULL)
The device to connect to has to be paired and, of course, in range. I'm now going to clean up the code and build a litte configuration-tool.
Freeware tool
EDIT: Version 1.0.rc-2 uploaded . Find the download link below:
http://teksoftco.com/index.php?section=freeware
I've just uploaded version 1.0.rc-1 of the A2DP plugin. It can be downloaded and used as freeware (0 cost) from http://teksoftco.com/index.php?section=freeware , or find it below attached to this message, including a short usage guide.
New in this release (as many users requested):
-signal indicator
-3 modes for headset: OK, Off, Err
-settings panel added
-Handle Bluetooth option
-Execute File after start option
-applet added in start->settings->system to start settings
-a2dp.exe included in the package, that with parameters: a2dp.exe -bluetoothn|off -a2dpn|off or a2dp.exe -bluetooth:1|0 -a2dp:1|0
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Actually devices that support A2DP (most wm6.0 bluetooth devices), come with 2 audio drivers installed:
1) The "Audio Output" Driver (supported since ppc 2002)
2) The "Bluetooth Advanced Audio Output" Driver, that is responsible of sending audio data over a L2CAP Bluetooth connection, as per A2DP protocol
When the user connects a Stereo A2DP headset, and selects the "Wireless Stereo" profile, the Bluetooth Adv. Audio Output becomes the nr. 1 audio output route, and is indexed as the First audio driver. Any application will output sound by using that driver.
The problem is that sometimes we are already listening to audio in the device's speaker's, and then suddenly we want to switch the output to our a2dp headsets - this is sometimes problematic, as the First audio driver changes from "Audio Output" to "Bluetooth Adv. Audio Output" and the applications currently playing audio need to be restarted.
For such issues, I have provided a tool, as freeware, that will install as a today plugin and provide the user with the possibility of instantly switching the audio between Device Speaker and A2DP Stereo Headset.
It is designed for WM6.0, Microsoft Bluetooth stack, please download it and let me know how it works for you. There are some more modifications that will be done, so this is only Beta-1
The CAB installer and instructions are in the ZIP attached.
(tested on ultimate 8150/wm6.0 and eten m600+/wm5.0, the gfx was made for vga but works on qvga too)
Hello Radhoo,
first times thank you, after such a thing I searched for a long time in vain.
tool functions on the Artemis with WM6 perfectly.
If the Tool were still developed further, I would be pleased genuinly, and would like to call hereby gladly my desires:
1. Bluetooth automatically switch on and off
2. Komandozeilensteuerung
3. Traybuttons without Todayplugin
4. Automatic start of a desired program after activation of A2DP (Mortplayer)
thanks Menkul
Hello menkul, Thanks for the feedback.
What is Komandozeilensteuerung?
Sorry Komandozeilensteuerung ist german.
I mean a Funktion a2pd.exe blueon A2DPon
a2dp.exe blueoff
or so.
Also a exe with startparameter
Menkul
Great idea
Any way to indicate bluetooth 1.2 or 2.0 status/line speed, signal strength, bandwidth?
bjrmd said:
Great idea
Any way to indicate bluetooth 1.2 or 2.0 status/line speed, signal strength, bandwidth?
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Will try to
I have two spare days for research (wow!) so I'll try to come up with something.
lemmz
lemmz said:
SUCCESS!!
It worked just as i though: a single command does all the work.
waveOutMessage((HWAVEOUT)devId, WODM_OPEN_CLOSE_A2DP, WODM_PARAM_OPEN_A2DP, NULL)
The device to connect to has to be paired and, of course, in range. I'm now going to clean up the code and build a litte configuration-tool.
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I am sorry I've "invaded" this thread, without first saying thanks to lemmz for his work, as I very well understand the effort needed to perform this kind of research.
While I wasn't aware of his findings (which are available in AK :
bt_ddi.h, WM520\PUBLIC\COMMON\OAK\INC\ ) I just wanted to give another free tool to the community, so I posted this in a few threads where users where requesting A2DP tools. I hope this is ok.
Dear Lemmz,
thanks a lot, i will take a look asap.
thanks again
Shafa
Hey Lemmz,
where do you get the devId from?
I'm thinking about writing the application, but I'm not a C++ guy (anymore atleast) I need to write it in C#...
Cheers,
Shafa
me again. should i use WAVE_MAPPER for device ID? if so, what is the value for it or even better, where can i find the whatever.h that has the value? is there an SDK i should download?
Cheers,
Shafa
menkul said:
Sorry Komandozeilensteuerung ist german.
I mean a Funktion a2pd.exe blueon A2DPon
a2dp.exe blueoff
or so.
Also a exe with startparameter
Menkul
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Done, original post updated, download 1.0.rc-1
Signal indicator also added: it shows the bluetooth connection strength!
shafa said:
me again. should i use WAVE_MAPPER for device ID? if so, what is the value for it or even better, where can i find the whatever.h that has the value? is there an SDK i should download?
Cheers,
Shafa
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You should use waveOutGetNumDevs() to get the number of wave devices.
Then you can use their index directly: 0 , 1 , eg.:
int idWAVE_BTAudio = 0; // or 1
waveOutMessage((HWAVEOUT)idWAVE_BTAudio ...
Where:
Code:
0. Audio Output
1. Bluetooth Advanced Audio Output
Be careful, the index changes when one device is selected, so you should check the WAVE devices each time you want to switch the audio.
Personally I've used waveOutGetNumDevs() then waveOutGetDevCaps to see what kind of device is each of the enumerated ones.
Hope this helps.
Hey guys-
I'm running My Mobiler to output the display, and control my phone (Tilt/Kaiser/TytnII/8925) via my PC (XP sp2).
When I receive a call, My Mobiler allows me to accept/reject/sms etc through my pc (really through my phone dialer but I'm using my keyboard and mouse), but when I want to accept the call, and talk to my caller, I'm having to pickup the phone, and resort to what I'll call 'untethered' phone use (i.e., phone to ear/BT headset).
What I'd like to do (and hopefully where you guys can help me out) is to use some method or software to relay the call through my PC (and use my pc's built in speakers & mic). Bonus if the method leverages something I'm already running (ActiveSync/My Mobiler).
Additional info:
BT is an option, but it's Toshiba stack, which from my researching doesn't' seem to support the Headset profile on PC.
Thanks
well if your pc has bluetooth it should be able to work....i have a usb to bluetooth adapter for my pc and i can get the audio going to it never tired to use a mic or use my pc as a speaker phone but 1 thing for sure the audio from calls go on my pc....if i had a mic i would test it out...also as another option(if your phone has it.) u could just use speaker phone...
Grondinm said:
i have a usb to bluetooth adapter for my pc and i can get the audio going to it
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What's the make/model of the USB BT you're using?
Mine is:
Toshiba Bluetooth Stack for Windows
Version v5.10.15
When I pair up the profiles displayed on the tilt are:
A2DP: Advanced Audio Distribution Profile
SPP: Serial Port Profile
The profiles in the Toshiba BT manager are:
DUN: Dial-Up Networking Profile
LAP: LAN Access Profile
If I use my BT headphones (Sonorix C3) with MortPlayer, A2DP works, If I try to use the Toshiba USB BT it doesn't work.
I think the one I need is (either)
HSP: Headset Profile
or
HFP: Handsfree Profile
I'm suspecting the toshiba bt stack is to blame, anyone else able to use a toshiba stack and get HSP/HFP working on their PC?
Im currently using My Mobiler to use my VOX due to having removed the broken screen from its shell
whenever i take a call, all i do is put it on speakerphone and it works fine
using the computers speakers and mic would be great fun, but for me its impossible due to the bluetooth dongle i use not having any compatible (free) software that uses audio streaming, but if it did, audio streaming should work with both speakers AND a mic! so it should in theory work.
i think
cris_rowlands said:
whenever i take a call, all i do is put it on speakerphone
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Grondinm said:
u could just use speaker phone...
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Speakerphone isn't an option, I'm in an office and the sharing of my conversation with my coworkers via loud speaker wouldn't be appreciated.
I intend to use a headset+mic combo hooked up to my pc, this way I can listen to music off my pc, and handle calls.
flow would be:
[Phone]<--display&control(via My Mobiler)-->[KVM - PC]
[Phone]<--voice*(Need solution here)*-->[MIC & Headset - PC]
Salling Clicker Is on the road to what I'd like to do, although it doesn't have voice support under windows. It's on the road to PPC <> PC convergence.
Any one have any experience with tweaking Salling Clicker to work with voice?
thetiltedKaiser said:
What I'd like to do (and hopefully where you guys can help me out) is to use some method or software to relay the call through my PC (and use my pc's built in speakers & mic). Bonus if the method leverages something I'm already running (ActiveSync/My Mobiler).
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When I paired my MDA Vario III with my notebook (HP TC4200 Tablet PC running a Broadcomm BT stack) I had a "Voice gateway" service available from my phone. This is in addition to DUN and Network Access Point services. Basically when I PC and phone connect my PC acts as a BT speakerphone.
I've not used the setup that often but it seems to work pretty well. When 1st connected a pop up briefly appears to inform me that the "Call Monitor" is active and that's it til a call comes in. At that point a notification gets displayed saying the number or callerID with buttons for "Accept & "Reject". If I take the call, or transfer and active call to the BT headset then my PC picks up the call.
By default my notebook uses its built in loudspeaker and microphone. However I can also pair my PC with a BT headset then route all sounds through it. It's a bit of a faff though as I have to change the active sound device to whatever headset is connected. I also need to connect the PC and eadset 1st if the headset is also paired with the phone, otherwise the real BT headset may take the call instead of the "virtual" one (notebook). I haven't tried this with my BT stereo headset though, only my conventional mono...
Whilst playing during a particularly boring teleconference I also discovered that I can record the calls and pass the sound through a text to speech converter supplied with the PC... the results of the latter are more for entertainment than serious use, althoug I suppose with some training it might be better...
I also use Salling Clicker. The phone events work pretty well, but to date I've yet to take a call using the PC whilst it is running.
Not sure if this helps in your case, but it seems like what you want to do is definitely possible.
Fatman it's like you've taken a page right out of my book. What software are you using for speech to text? This could make for a useful and entertaining audit trail... Sounds like I need to pickup a new BT adapter based on the Broadcomm stack. If anybody has had any luck using the Toshiba stack, please share.
thetiltedKaiser said:
What software are you using for speech to text?
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I'm not sure if the program is available as separate software. It's called "Microsoft English Recognizer" and was pre-installed on my notebook. I have no idea how it compares to any other programs. I've only playted around with it very briefly as a way of killing time during a boring teleconference!
However, I can't see why any program couldn't be used as the sound from the phone is available to any software as the BT stream from the phone becomes the default input sound feed.
One thing I will definitely be trying next time is recording the call whilst taking notes using Tablet Enhancements for Outlook. THis basically augments the normal MS Outlook Journal functions so I can take handwritten notes which can be edited, commented, and then later searched. If you record the microphone feed (i.e. the phone call in my case) the notes are then linked into "timeline" of the call so you can see what notes were taken when, and conversely what happened in the call when you took a particular note... should be useful if it works...
Let me know if you need any additional info about BT stack versions and drivers etc but it does sound like you'd need the Broadcomm stack - ISTR reading that the Brioadcomm stacks on some PocketPCs have laways performed better than the MS equivalents, and it appears that the same if true for PCs too... The BT on my notebook is far more reliable, and flexible than that on my work PC which uses an MS BT dongle. However, that may be due to the fact that the BT on my notebook is built in and not USB...
Good luck!
found this:
Bluesoleil
http://www.bluesoleil.com/download/index.asp?topic=bluesoleil6x
It has a Dialer plugin.
Have not tried it yet but if someone has please let us know.
Hi! I have a brand new Jabra 620s bluetooth-headset. When I turn the headset on and search for bluetooth devices on my computer I can see it, but I cant see it when I search for it on my touch pro.
What could be the problem here?
I had a similar problem last night (and have it quite often when i need to pair). It doesn't detect it until the 3rd or 4th time in which last night it didn't even detect it either. I power cycled the headset and my phone found it the first time.
Yeah, I tried rebooting my headset and my phone several times, but I still can't get it to work...
Figured it out... Had to hold in a button on the headsett to make it avaliable for new devices...
But new problem:
I don't get sound in the headsett when I play music. But when I make a call the sound is in the headsett. What could be the problem here?
Maybe its the settings in your a2dp profile?
I read this "Set-up of the 620's was simple enough, the headset unit is paired with the device that is streaming the music and / or a mobile phone. A smart move from Jabra allows the 620s to be connected to both a mobile phone and an audio device simultaneously. However our set-up was rather more straight forward than most as we used Jabra's own Bluetooth dongle that supports the all important A2DP (Advanced Audio Distribution Profile) profile. Real life for most users is a different kettle of fish with support for A2DP being quite sparse, most music gateways and servers and even music ready mobiles rarely support the required profile." source: http://www.lordpercy.com/jabra_bt620s_review.htm
Maybe some tweaking in hklm\\software\microsoft\bluetooth\a2dp\Settings
I believe this headset also supports AVRCP profile. In any case, make note of your original configuration prior to making any changes.
nyckid211 said:
Maybe its the settings in your a2dp profile?
I read this "Set-up of the 620's was simple enough, the headset unit is paired with the device that is streaming the music and / or a mobile phone. A smart move from Jabra allows the 620s to be connected to both a mobile phone and an audio device simultaneously. However our set-up was rather more straight forward than most as we used Jabra's own Bluetooth dongle that supports the all important A2DP (Advanced Audio Distribution Profile) profile. Real life for most users is a different kettle of fish with support for A2DP being quite sparse, most music gateways and servers and even music ready mobiles rarely support the required profile." source: http://www.lordpercy.com/jabra_bt620s_review.htm
Maybe some tweaking in hklm\\software\microsoft\bluetooth\a2dp\Settings
I believe this headset also supports AVRCP profile. In any case, make note of your original configuration prior to making any changes.
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I tried to install btAudio. Now I have sound in my headset, but det sound-quality is CRAPPY! Are there any other software avaliable that can fix this? Dont know if I want to edit the registry.... There must be a solution?
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I tried to install btAudio. Now I have sound in my headset, but det sound-quality is CRAPPY! Are there any other software avaliable that can fix this? Dont know if I want to edit the registry.... There must be a solution?
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You can use Advanced Config to enlarge the bluetooth bitpool under the bluetooth tweaks. Set it to "very high" for best sound quality (uses more system resources tough).
HTH
Maximum bit-pool setting is 1561. I dont think it solves the problem, cause the quality is still really bad.
Any other tips? Or do I have to return the headset cause a brand new ~1000$ phone cant play on a wireless bluetooth headset?!
Bump.. Are there really no solutions?
I've noticed these similar (and likely related) bugs in a lot of places and have been living with them for six months, but I have never seen a fix. Surely there are others with this issue that might be able to fix it.
Issue #1: When you connect a Bluetooth stereo headset to a Windows Mobile device, using the Wireless Stereo AND Hands Free profiles, the wireless stereo feature works fine, but when attempting to answer a call, hands free fails. The hands free icon shows on the Phone screen, no audio is heard, and after a few seconds the headset shuts off and the icon goes away.
Issue #2: When you connect a Bluetooth stereo headset to a Windows Mobile device using the Wireless Stereo profile and are watching video in Windows Media Player, if a call comes in, the program device.exe crashes and Windows Media Player will often need to be restarted. Device.exe will often crash at other times as well.
I have seen numerous reports of this problem, and near universal reports of it on the Dell BH200 Bluetooth Stereo Headphones. It seems to require A2DP, and be very common among HTC devices. I have had the same problem on the AT&T Tilt (Kaiser) and AT&T Fuze (Touch Pro/Rafael) under Windows Mobile 6. I can confirm the headset works as it is supposed to on Palm OS (Palm Centro) in headset mode, and that it was also able to work as a headset on the T-Mobile MDA (Wizard) running Windows Mobile 5 (which does not support A2DP).
In all cases, I am talking about devices using stock ROMs.
If you have seen the problem, please list the device, OS, and bluetooth device used. If you have a bluetooth stereo headset that does not exhibit the issue on devices that are known to have this problem, list that as well, so owners of devices with this issue can consider alternative headsets.
If you have any technical knowledge of what causes the issue, please share it. If you have heard of any workarounds, please share it.
Thank you all.
I have the Samsung i-640 running WM6 and have the same issue with The Dell BH200 not doin Hands free mode and the whole shut down of device happens too ..very Frustrating .
I tried using the Nokia BH 100 which does only Mono [Hands Free] and i get $hit loads of static noise but the Device doesnt Shutdown.
Heya, I have the AT&T Fuze and I also own the BH200. I have the same exact issue you have (issue #1). I have no idea why it does this but I've been trying to get support from dell for the longest time with no luck.
I think the problem lies in the MS BT stack. It does an automatic pin guessing thing which might cause the bh200 to not work properly. I have tested the fuze on the BT2020 (by Jabra) and it works perfectly. I just recently bought the moto s9 (still waiting for it to arrive) but I would prefer to use the dell bh200 if possible.
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Dell sends you to PC support when you try to get support on the device, since it's usually sold as an accessory with computers, but they refuse to offer actual support on the actual device, as though they knew nothing about it or how it works. I asked them if it was a rebranded version of another company's headset, and they wouldn't say.
I tried to get help from dell already, and they're as much help with it as telemarketers...
Similar problem
Maybe this is a stereo headset bug...
Maybe this is designed behavior, but it is typical of why people HAVE to hack the crap out of WM to be happy with it:
I have a ATT Tilt.
Behavior same under WM6 and WM6.1
I have a Jabra BT610s (stereo headphone with A2DP, AVRCP, handsfree, & wireless stereo profiles).
If the Tilt is paired with both wireless stereo & hands-free, then even if Win Media is running or playing, the hands-free profile is selected when powering on the headphones. Then, the stupid ATT Bluetooth settings are so buried that it requires about 30 secs of sylus picking, poking, and prodding to get it set to wireless stereo.
Is there a way to set the Tilt to default to wireless stereo, is there a helper app for quick-switching this?
Also, there are not infrequent dropouts in audio over bluetooth, even with the phone setting on the desk 24" away from the headphones as I type this.
All the remote control features DO work with this setup, but unfortunately there's no remote control function for profile switching.
Thanks,
I am using a stock ROM and I don't have the above problems. I am using a motorolla hb820 headset. I also use an LG Style i headset, and no problems either. I use Core Player and it plays fine even after a call. I only use WMP to play music and my X7510 haven't froze yet while playing music when a call comes in.
Hi
I am using Lg KE590 but I am not using the device so I have not gone through the problem. Is it for all the handset ?
John
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I have several configurations with problems to report below:
1) HTC P3600i (WM6 stock ROM) + Dell BH200 => issue #1 (never try issue #2)
2) HTC P3600i (WM6 stock ROM) + Dopod HS01 clip-on BT stereo headset => All functions work fine, no problem switching between profiles
3) Dopod S300 (WM5 stock ROM) + Dell BH200 => stereo music & phone call works but music switch back to the phone after end of a call
4) Dopod S300 (WM5 stock ROM) + Dopod HS01 clip-on BT stereo headset => All functions work fine, no problem switching between profiles
5) Nokia 5610 Xpress Music + Dell BH200 => All functions work fine, no problem switching between profiles
6) Nokia 5610 Xpress Music + Dopod HS01 clip-on BT stereo headset => All functions work fine, no problem switching between profiles
Summary: I tend to believe that the problem is specific to Dell BH200 and some of HTC's or WM OS combination as Dell BH200 works fine with Nokia phones and Dopod BT headphones always work with any phones we have.
Reporting in, Im using Motorola S305 Stereo BT. No above issues whatsoever with 2 devices HTC Kaiser and Touch Pro. Both with stock or cooked ROM. I have a strong feeling its related to hardware prob on Dell BH200.
I have a touch pro that refuse to play nice with my AVIC-D3 head unit...I must pick either headset profile or wireless stereo profile, but not both. I remember coming across a solution called a2dptoggle. It let you switch between the 2 easily (in wm agenda page), but try it out to see if that's a solution or not.
Issue #1 using HTC Touch Pro and Dell BH200
Because of that issue i can't use the hands free function at all.
Only way i can use my headset is:
If i uncheck Hands free from partnership settings, then an incoming call mutes headset, i take out the phone have my conversation manually, after hangup the music plays on.