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Firstly, I've been following the leaks so far, and so I don't want to hear, oh there won't be a multitouch. The bottom line is, we don't know what the final product will be.
Secondly, it goes without saying, that I support any efforts by MS to incorporate capacitative screens. Currently, there are two known and upcoming solutions to replace the stylus, one an RF pen (a stylus that should work with cap. screens- google it!) and a solution that MS has recently invested in, called something like N-trig.
The purpose of this thread is to discuss, and make content those who are against multitouch if it comes to 6.5, or for that matter, 7.
Now, the main argument against multitouch, is that it is against single-handed usage. Here I will list why that is a moot/null/void argument:
- Using the iPhone as an example firstly (and pretty much throughout but it is not due to me having a liking for it, rather I hate it, but I hope to convey a more profound message), though there is argument over the pinch gesture in Safari (their internet browser), the double-tap to zoom is still available. So, the double-tap that we are used to in Opera, is also in Safari. So one can have it both ways. So, to sum up this point, devs would need to make sure that their programs are made for single handed usage, but that multitouch offers a different (and as some would argue, more enhanced) method of using the phone. So single-handed usage is still there, basically.
- Some games, require pressing of more than one button simultaneously. Now if buttons A, B and C are onscreen and are only viable via touch entry, then we're screwed once again as only one given button can be pressed at one time. If you're a gamer, you will know how big a limitation this is to your phone. It hurts in so many scenarios. If you're not into games, or your games are limited to puzzles: trust me, this is a biggie!
- A similar and relevant point; phones like Touch HD bear the brunt of lacking multitouch, as they don't even have a D-pad for games. So all buttons onscreen (D-pad inclusive) can only be pressed one-at-a-time!
- Whether you like this app or not, it demonstrates that some apps simply cannot do without multitouch. Why put limitations? If you want to argue it is against single-touch usage, then press one button at a time !
- Another app that is somewhat heartwarming . I've used it on an acquaintance's iPhone, and it's nice to swirl two of your fingers through the pond making multiple ripples. Again, just use single touch if you're against double ripples .
- Text entry for those of us that type at lightning speed would be hindered where we are required to press one button right next to the next one in quick succession. Why put this limitation?
- I will add more here onwards if something comes to mind. Maybe. Maybe not.
So all in all, single handed usage can still be there, and MS can enforce this in their SkyStore (app store equivalent), though granted it could be difficult. But most developers would do this, as most do what their customers want, not what I, the dev want.
LASTLY, this is not a WM bashing thread if you think like that, so stop hating! This is for improvements only!
Just to let you know...it's not all M$'s fault..Mostly HTC and the companys that make the devices. Just look at the omnia. It has a capactive touchscreen.
Good Points, and just because WM6.5 has Mutlitouch available doesn't mean devs or phone builders would HAVE to use it.
I'm a big fan of "many options."
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Kraize said:
Just to let you know...it's not all M$'s fault..Mostly HTC and the companys that make the devices. Just look at the omnia. It has a capactive touchscreen.
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Is this truly true ? If so, why doesn't Samsung advertise it as much? Also, doesn't the small buttons become difficult to use?
JimmyMcGee said:
Good Points, and just because WM6.5 has Mutlitouch available doesn't mean devs or phone builders would HAVE to use it.
I'm a big fan of "many options."
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This is precisely my point! The only little niggle is that devs should make sure that productivity tools allow single handed usage as well. One way would be to enforce this through the SkyStore. Another would be to let the magic happen itself.
I really want to see what people will say against my strong defence of multitouch. Come on people!
It will raise the cost of the devices (both due to the much more expensive screen AND the need for a special, larger stylus) and create a further layer of incompatibility between WM devices (those with multi-touch and those without).
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and create a further layer if incomparability between WM devices (those with multi-touch and those without).
Surur
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Which is why everyone should have to buy a new device when Windows Mobile 7 is released.
Seems people are forgeting WM6.5 is more like Vista, a stop gap before the better OS ie Windows 7
Why WM6.5 does not have mltitouch ?
I will try to answer this question.
The big hardware manifacturers are in the begining of producin multitouch capable phones (you all know that you need multitouch capable digitizer in order to be able to use multitouch). Microsoft communicated with manifacturers and they were not ready with such devices, which is the reason multitouch to be reserved for windows mobile 7.
Seems people are forgeting WM6.5 is more like Vista, a stop gap before the better OS ie Windows 7
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Totally agree
I see no real benefit in multi-touch on small screen. granted, in games with on devices with minimal input buttons, but until device manufactures actually start releasing 3D drivers for the devices the point about gaming isn't of much substance because there will only be mediocre games.
I don't know what the masses want but I see little benefit in it on screens that one can stretch the thumb from bottom left of the device and reach the top right.
I rather draw a counter clockwise circle to zoom and a clockwise to zoom out.
the real benefit is in the screen response, not the multi-touch. aside from gaming, tell me what other real benefit is there? because I don't see it.
Text entry for those of us that type at lightning speed would be hindered where we are required to press one button right next to the next one in quick succession. Why put this limitation?
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I think this depends on the sip you're using and have no reliance on multi-touch capabilities. I see myself as a very fast typist and this is thanks to the sip I'm using.
do this, ask your friend to do this with his iPhone: press 2 keys at the same time while typing the word "Quilts", so your friend would type it like this "Qu" then "il" then "ts" and tell us what's the result. I am pretty curious as to what the results will be. I would ask my girl to do it but she's at work now.
hello friends
[sorry mods dont know if this is the right section or what]
I am not developer but I am a host so i need to monitor my servcer all the time and i have got one great idea in mind .. my ppc has 24/7 mobile internet connection so why not take benefit of it.
I have xperia x1. I would like to develop a very very simple application which staty in my today screen. it should use just one raw and show a remote webpage...
in customization i just want that ... which page it should show and how many raw it should use in today screen
I am not developer.. so if any one can build this let me know
i can offer
[1]hosting
[2] design service
[3] cash
regards
Hello,
I am an Industrial designer and part of implementing a product is some good groundwork. Therefor i am doing research regarding functionalities of current tablets and user needs,
I am hoping to get some inside information on XDA from some veteran tableteers. I consider you guys as early adopters and that is excactly what my target group is
I am working for a client who which uses the keywords; simplify, iconic, bold, rebels. There current portfolio consists of a phone with only one function; calling. The phone is therefor cheap, but it also make a statement 'look how cool i am with this simple phone'.
I want to design the next product for that company, in my case a tablet. To fit the current product portfolio the tablet needs to be as iconic as the phone. So simplifing everything to the basic needs of users, therefor it also makes a statement.
Products which are currently 'on the market' which are some inspiration for me are;
Wacom inkling
Sorry cant post links yet..
Noteslate(not yet on the market)
Sorry cant post links yet..
Boogie board
Sorry cant post links yet..
Part of being iconic and making a statement in my POV is bringing back the blackboard feeling with the squeeky finger due to the chalk. Combining the 'paper feel' with electronics; this is also what the company prefers.
first mock-up(excuse me for the quality)
Sorry cant post links yet..
I think the main feature of this tablet will be notetaking and drawing, including a mail service and maby an agenda. You can add or subtract functions. The focus will therefor be in the business market and perhaps for in class during lectures.
One focus lays on personalizing the tablet. Like you would do know with your paper notebook, making drawings and it feels yours. Where tablets know are being handled with care you are not personally bonding with the device. I am thinking of features where you can add your own gestures for turning on the device (like your autograph) and drawing an envelop around something will automatticaly mail it.
Finally my first questions for you guys (im hoping to asking more in the future);
1. Which functions do you use most on current tablets
2. Will you buy a tablet with these limited amount of functions, and what would you pay
3. If you own an tablet, would you see yourself using it as an personal agenda and notetaker, why and why not?
4. Do you see the monochrone screen as a negative or positive, why would you prefer a colour screen (if outcome was negative)
5. How do you currently personalize a) your tablet and b) your notebook/agenda/phone etc. Outside and inside
6. what size would you prefer?
Any feedback will be welcome, also criticism (constructive) is very welcome.
I am currently just in the research stage, but chances are this product actually hitting the market.
Thanks very much in advance for your time, im hoping for some great feedback!
greets, Kars Rotteveel
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Finally my first questions for you guys (im hoping to asking more in the future);
1. Which functions do you use most on current tablets
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Does features count as functions ?
2. Will you buy a tablet with these limited amount of functions, and what would you pay
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I would pay around $960 for a full-fledged tablet , since I'm 15
3. If you own an tablet, would you see yourself using it as an personal agenda and notetaker, why and why not?
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There is a possibility that I might use it for note-taking because of its portability
4. Do you see the monochrone screen as a negative or positive, why would you prefer a colour screen (if outcome was negative)
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What's with the monochrome ? I'd prefer a colour screen because it makes the tablet experience more pleasant .
5. How do you currently personalize a) your tablet and b) your notebook/agenda/phone etc. Outside and inside
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a) Tablet:
-Bigger than 6' but smaller than 15'
-Uses a touchscreen
-Does not have any physical keyboard
-Allows native HSDPA and/or 4G internet access
-Has 2 cameras , one at the back and the other at the front .
-A decent processor of approx. 1Ghz
-A roundy + square-ish look (like the Xoom)
-Physical buttons instead of touch-sensitive buttons
b)Notebook (as in the electronic device):
-Has a processor speed of at least 1.5Ghz
-Has at least 512MB of RAM
-Runs either Windows , Mac , Linux , Ubuntu or Fedora .
-Has USB ports (duhhhhh)
-Allows multiboot
-Has a front-facing webcam .
-Optional touchscreen support with both virtual and physical keyboard + mouse
-The usual notebook design (the flap style)
-Larger than 11' but smaller than 20'
6. what size would you prefer?
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I mentioned that when I answered question 5
Hope that I helped you......
Sorry if I didn't help.....
Forever living in my Galaxy Ace using XDA App
Hello,
I have been using Blender on Windows Mobile since 2008. It was a very hard task because my screen was 2.8" only.
Now I bought an Android phone with a screen nearly twice bigger and I immediately thought of Blender. BUT... I have
literally scratched out the internet and Blender for Android seems to not exist at all :-/
I know that there are brilliant programmers here... Could somebody eventually try to port that nice program to
Android? For experts like you, it shouldn't be that hard...
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE !!!
What useful stuff could you possibly do in Blender on a mobile device? 10" tablet... Maybe... but input is still wonky for such a thing..
If you want a 3D physics game, there are tons of them in the market...
Hi and thanks for the answer.
No, I don't want a game, I want something, on which I could do at least basic 3D modelling / animation.
And if it exists for Windows Mobile I see totally no reason that this multiplatform product won't exist for
Android too...
Look for an app called Sketcher 3D in the Play Store.
Sent from my 5" Retina XT iPhone running iOS 7
There is an official porting. You can just see .blend and start blender game for now, but it's still a working in progress anyway...
Install guide
Main thread on blenderartists.org
An image of the working in progress blender player
Have a look at true truesculpt on playstore
It's pretty cool but a complete blender port will be much better
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TylerDurben said:
It's pretty cool but a complete blender port will be much better
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I think there is hope
Guys, YOU ROCK !!
I will give a try to these 2 apps FOR SURE!! I was searching SO HARD and I could not find even
a single app like those!!
What is Blenderplayer? To me it sounds something that can just play files, created with Blender?
darkman088 said:
Guys, YOU ROCK !!
I will give a try to these 2 apps FOR SURE!! I was searching SO HARD and I could not find even
a single app like those!!
What is Blenderplayer? To me it sounds something that can just play files, created with Blender?
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great news!
A new image of the porting it's been linked in the developer meeting notes of today.
it has the full interface!:laugh:
Anyway the blenderplayer is the binary that can open games made with blender.
http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=36691
so cool
EDIT:
a new photo of a nexus 7 running blender
a tried the new release with the test file and some of my models. http://download.blender.org/ftp/incoming/Blender_08_19_12.apk
it works but with a 4.3 inch is totally unusable.
Anyway it's pretty weird to see blender on a phone
OK, I have tried both apps:
- Sketch 3D - VERY nice interface, I like the touch approach!! A brilliant idea. But it is STILL very basic :-/
You can't change properties of the objects (for example a prism has always 3 sides :-/ etc.
No animation functions, no texturing, no materials, no light sources, just some colors of the objects, which are
not realistic, no rendering function :-/
A Blender port would ROCK !!
@lbrfabio - why it should be strange to see Blender on a Phone? I had it on my HTC Diamond in 2008!! You
should see it on the 2.8" screen!! And still it was somehow possible to hit the menu entries and I played a lot
with it!! And I was thinking at that time, if my screen would be twice bigger, it would be perfect !! Now I have
almost a double size screen and no Blender for it :-/
And EVEN, if not on a phone, on a tablet it would be perfect
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OK, I have tried both apps:
@lbrfabio - why it should be strange to see Blender on a Phone? I had it on my HTC Diamond in 2008!! You
should see it on the 2.8" screen!! And still it was somehow possible to hit the menu entries and I played a lot
with it!! And I was thinking at that time, if my screen would be twice bigger, it would be perfect !! Now I have
almost a double size screen and no Blender for it :-/
And EVEN, if not on a phone, on a tablet it would be perfect
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What I was trying to say is that use fingers to use Blender it's weird after you're used to use keyboard and mouse with a dual monitor.
Weird but still cool
Sure that it's weird and cool at the same time. But the world is changing with all these smartphones and tablets and
the developers have to undergo this change for their apps too! And exactly people like us, on these forums, have to
push them in the direction of improvement and show them, that we won't tolerate worse and less capable software,
than we already have on a PC. THIS is the reason, why I have a netbook and not a tablet!!!
And even, if we stay at the same level. there is no improvement! The Android software has to become BETTER than
what we are currently witnessing on a PC !!!
I see alot of threads around xda requesting miscellaneous apps or ports. I have written down a lot of my ideas and I'm not quite to the stage where I can make them myself, and I'm sure a few others are in the same boat. I don't see much of a point to keeping them a secret when there are alot of capable developers around here. If there are developers out there with free time that see a cool idea in this thread, try to give a mention to the person if you create the app!
3rd party app toggle
Just an app similar to adb toggle, that quickly toggles on 3rd party app installs. It's not secure to leave it on all the time, and for people with settings locked it can cut the time taken to install a 3rd party app. If you're an overachiever try toggling all app installs, not just 3rd party.
Password Scanner
Basically an app that just scans /data for SQLite entries and lists items associated with password fields. Plaintext is enough to make it useful for a lot of people, with options of a pro-version that cracks encrypted passwords.
Car Remote
This is the most challenging one I've thought of. It's an app that uses the device's radio antennas to unlock cars that have remote control locks. I've looked into it and the encryption looks tough to break, but if you're a genius you can probably figure something out. Here's something to get started: auto.howstuffworks.com/remote-entry.htm
Time Machine
I thought of this while reading en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem
A mod/app that messes with the clock to cause app compatibility issues, which could enable potential root exploits on devices which don't have current root methods. This one is risky because it is likely it result in bricks (yet another use if you want a device to be bricked in the event of a theft). I'm unsure if something like this would need root access to work.
Share your ideas! My apologies if any of these have been thought of, it wouldn't be the first time I've rethought the wheel.
Wow, some nice ideas there! 3D party app can be a popular one. I also like the car remote app idea, but will it be helpful?
Found this video on a PDA for the car remote, it used infrared though..
Time machine looks interesting but can it be realized !
A port for ADOBE PHOTOSHOP CS6 for Android..!
It will be a big boon for GFX Designers like me..!
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Lol btw those days aren't far
nikufellow said:
Lol btw those days aren't far
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But urs is...
How can a app be a time machine.. xD
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If you sir are able to do something about the 2038 problem then you are getting some world recognition for sure .
DD-Ripper said:
A port for ADOBE PHOTOSHOP CS6 for Android..!
It will be a big boon for GFX Designers like me..!
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oh don't let me get started on the list of ports I want haha. Top 3 would probably be cain & abel, cisco packet tracer, and something like encase.
cs6 is would be nice for sure though, adobe is really slacking with their tablet app. I see something like gimp coming before photoshop due to it's source being more available.
i would really like something like frozen synapse on a phone i think it would work really well.
Make an android rom for the samsung brightside instead of its Brew, and you give 50 thousand people a boner...
its the only smart-ish phone that can be used on verizon without upgrading to the smart phone plan.
if it gets a rom,you have a verizon phone and dont pay the bastards the smart phone fees
I would love a hearing aid app to control the different settings.
Would be amazing!
Car remote app will never work as each car uses some sort of encryption and frequency to unlock the door while the phone antennae can only transmit on 2G/3G/4G frequency bands.
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Car remote app will never work as each car uses some sort of encryption and frequency to unlock the door while the phone antennae can only transmit on 2G/3G/4G frequency bands.
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and bluetooth, and wifi, and gps. There are a number of antennas in each phone. The one in the video I posted managed it with infrared.
I think car remotes work on the 400-500mhz spectrum so it will take some research to how compatible it could be with most phones, and that's not even exploring dongles.
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and bluetooth, and wifi, and gps. There are a number of antennas in each phone. The one in the video I posted managed it with infrared.
I think car remotes work on the 400-500mhz spectrum so it will take some research to how compatible it could be with most phones, and that's not even exploring dongles.
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My Nissan Altima Remote operates on 315Mhz whereas
Bluetooth operates on 2400–2480 MHz
GPS operates on 1575.42 & 1227.60 Mhz
Wifi operates on 2.4, 3.6 and 5 GHz
IR operates on 33 to 40 kHz or 50 to 60 kHz
All these antennae are not capable to transmit in any frequency band, they have been hardwired to operate on a particular band to save money and be power efficient.
Create a 'Date' contact ?
G'Day Guys
I have been searching for an app. now for a few years & have not been able to find one that 'fits the bill'
When I get a phone call from a new contact ( so not currently in the contact list )
Create the contact with the name as date eg. DD MM YYYY & mark it as blocked
Anyone know if an app. exists that can do this ?
or
Anyone interested in deving this app. for me ?
BTW - I have 40+ years experience programming in Assembler, C, Basic etc. & I built Palm apps. in C & built a couple of droid apps approx. 5 years ago with Phone Gap. Buy, not wanting to have to setup the environment for a simple droid app. dev.