My Alpine is nearly a year old now, and is looking a bit tatty as it's been dropped a couple of times recently. There's no serious damage, just a few chips on the casing, but since the last drop the ON/OFF button feels a bit dodgey so not sure how long it will last.
I could soon "upgrade" to a new phone or PDA on my o2 contract, but the XDA exec is too big, and I am unsure whether the Wizard (XDA mini S) will cut the mustard.
Here's what I like about the Alpine:
Fast performance
Large screen
WiFi
SD cards (but not actually useable because cards get blown up with monotonous regularity).
Here's what I don't like about the Wizard (XDA Mini S):
Processor appears to be slower than Alpine (but no definitive test results available to prove/disprove this).
Smaller Screen than Alpine.
Mini-SD cards.
I've also heard that WM5 forces you to install applications into ROM, not RAM. Is this true? I don't like this idea because the built-in ROM is very small, and once programs are installed the remaining free space will be negligeable. I'm not concerned about RAM loss, because I never allow the battery to go flat.
I would like to hear people's opinions of the XDA Mini S or suggestions for other models/suppliers to consider.
Many thanks!
i would get a hermes
Hi pmandrews!
First, let me say that I am using I-mate Jamin (Prophet) for a month now and loving it so far. Processor speed hasn't been an issue.
My reasons for choosing it:
1) WiFi, Bluetooth, EDGE, IR
2) Full SD (not Mini)
3) Size and form.
4) 2MP camera (not critical but nice)
Although I must agree with Rudegar, Hermes does look good.
Second:
A little clarification about WM5: It uses memory differently than WM 2003.
RAM is only used for running programs (like on PC), on a device that has 64MB advertised you will have about 35-30 left on a 'clean' device. ROM or more precisely flash, is used for all storage needs. Not sure about the Hermes but the Jamin leaves you about 30 MB free after EXT ROM apps are installed.
With a little reg tweak, you can unhide the EXT ROM and add 10 more megs, but I install all my apps on the SD.
The slider has been removed and there is no way of storing stuff in RAM like in 2003, but with that much flash and an SD I doubt you would want to.
Thanks, I will consider that. I suppose if the device doesn't destroy SD cards like the Alpine does then I can use SD for all my storage needs. But I dare not leave an SD card in the alpine for long periods because eventually it will get blown up, usually if the OS crashes and a hard reset is required.
cheers
Paul.
Well I had my SanDisk 512 in my iPaq 1710 for a year non stop trough countless soft resets, and quite a few hard resets (I test my apps on it) and it is still alive.
It also went through 3-4 hard resets on my Jamin while I was experimenting with it, and for now it leaves. But I only had this phone for a month.
Maybe anyone knows how to change I-mate Jam RAM chip from 64MB to 128MB? I read that it's possible.
Yes it's possible, but not by yourself.
Have a look here : http://www.pocketpctechs.com/main~unit~Qtek_S100-291~area~upgrades-ram~action~updateunit.htm
Good luck
BR, Imer
Its possible,
Just a little worthless and severly overpriced, in my opinion.
Its 169 USD (the service itself, not including post)? Another 50 USD can buy you another magician.
Whitemoo.
Well... I'd surely love 128MB of RAM. There aren't many PDAs around even until now having that relatively huge amount of memory.
If you want to go faster than one horse can run you can't simply solve this problem by using two horses - do you understand?
RAM does not make any computer run faster - it only allows them to load larger/more programs without hanging or swapping out from disk. The illusion of speed comes from the fact that the computer is no longer required to swap things out from HDD that often, so large programs load immediately. Only processor and system bus determines speed - increasing your RAM isn't going to make that SD-Card slot work any faster.
Hi fellow HTC Athena owners,
I realize our phones are getting old and left behind by newer models.
I've been tempted to upgrade to the newer HTC models like Desire and Obsession.
However it's a waste of technology doing so, the HTC Advantage still has a lot to offer, it's just the lack of updated software to take advantage of all its feature.
The bigger beef I've had was the lack of vibration feature.
but i realized at least with the X7510 the build in keyboard as a touch feedback feature that can be turned on/off from the default HTC home software.
If some one can code an application to make the keyboard vibrate when the phone rings/silent then that will solve half the problem.
The rest is ripping off the HTC sense and WM7 + all the newer apps from the new HTC phones, and make it work with the HTC Advantage as most have done in the past with software original from the HTC Diamond and Touch 3D, etc.
The upcoming HTC Obsssion is on WM7, it'll cool if we can port the entire set of software over to our HTC Athena phone, and give it a new lease in life.
Technology wise our HTC Athena still is far superior, with the exception of the available RAM and the ATI "accelerator", but we have 2 "hard drives" to use (internal 166GB flash, and removable miniSD can write up to 8GB, but can read up to 16GB [apparently it doesn't have enough power to write to a 16GB micro SD via the miniSD adapter]), able to hook up to almost any USB device you can think of (mouse, external usb hard drive any size, keyboard, monitor, network adapter, faxmodem, camera, anything else supported by the build in drivers), natively connect to external monitors, Svideo, video import, GPS, Camera, use both CDMA and GSM networks, wifi, stereo/data bluetooth, i can't think of any other phone/pda that is so complete as the HTC Athena.
It's just a shame it was never popular enough to attract the attention of developers to take advantage of it.
The Athena by itself it's a super mini power house, it's better than a laptop, and packed tiny enough to fit in your front shirt pocket (if you don't mind the weight) it can do whatever a laptop can do and way more.
I'm hoping to see new stuff coming for the Athena after WM7 gets released later this year, like we have with the cooked WM6.5, but still the lack of vibration mode is a big drag for me... i tried the fake vibrate using the "vibrate sound ringtone" so you are still really using a ringtone it just simulate the sound of vibrate, it sort of works, but still is not the real thing, i've tried the motor thing like shown on the x7501 topic found in this forum, but that doesn't work either.
So the next best thing is to carry pair it with our keyboard, and figure out a software to make it vibrate if some one knows how to program such thing.
Just for info : I own a x7510 and use a sandisk 16GB microsd with adapter and this works without any problems.
that's good to know, i'm doing with the adapter and 2 different brands 16GB micro SD
they both got damaged when i try to write to it, got them both exchange under warranty
but doing the same with 8 GB micro SD via adapter, then i can read and write just fine
the 16 GB works properly on other phones
32Gb
I just purchased a 32GB micro sd and it works with a sandisk adapter (i also have another adapter but this does not work) so now. I did extensive tests writing data while running op battery and it works like a charme.
So, phones have evovled alot during the last few years.....
full html browsing, front and back cameras, emulation, and 1080 video playing
The difference between computers and phones have blurred......
so I ask this
"what can computers do that phones can't?"
other then the obvious processing power, graphics, and software designing.....
-I use this "what can computers do that phones can't?"
question to ask what i want my next app to be like so
any help is good help/answers
They pretty much do the same things these days. A PC just does everything a million times better
The issues with phones are input (you just can't beat a full tactile keyboard and mouse combo) and output (small screen). But that's easy to solve - dock. So in the not too far future you'll have all the computing power and personal data in your pocket and be able to do quite many tasks with that. Then, for the big tasks, you'll put the device on a dock connected to a keyboard, mouse and large display.
Gusar321 said:
The issues with phones are input (you just can't beat a full tactile keyboard and mouse combo) and output (small screen). But that's easy to solve - dock. So in the not too far future you'll have all the computing power and personal data in your pocket and be able to do quite many tasks with that. Then, for the big tasks, you'll put the device on a dock connected to a keyboard, mouse and large display.
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You forgot about storage.
It would be great if you could dock your phone, have the screen project onto a wall, and have a wireless keyboard that synced...you'd basically have your computer..minus the hard drive space and all
I'd agree with Gusar, the input device is what really sets them apart IMO.
Unfortunately, Photoshop. The mobile app is a joke - I'm talking about layer editing, adjustment layers, masks, etc. If it weren't for Photoshop, and the ease of typing my school documents in Word, I'd never open my laptop.
There are a lot of things that run better on a computer, but I find myself using my phone for almost everything.
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theo80 said:
You forgot about storage.
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You forgot about Moore's Law.
Which states that the number of transistors that can be placed inexpensively on an integrated circuit doubles approximately every two years. (Thank you wikipedia )
This basically means that storage capacity doubles without becoming more expensive or bigger. Considering the fact that my Galaxy S II has 16 gb ( and 32 gb is possible ) of internal storage and another 32 gb of sd storage. Storage capacity will be 256 gb in 4 years. Of which 128 gb is really fast, for OS, and 128 gb is considerably fast, file storage.
When looking at the bigger picture other problems will be solved too. Because most of the specs will quadruple you are able to use photoshop and such.
And thereby the cloud computing will have evolved tremendously too in four years, rendering all the storage capacity useless.
So by the time we'll see docks as a standard, other problems will be solved too. Unless software requirements are raised too, but that seems unlikely, since my old 1.5 ghz 1 gb ddr 2 RAM laptop runs windows 7 fluidly. ( except for aero, damn you intel! )
Back on topic, I still haven't found a real good all in one VPN app, which also mounts my NAS as an SD card, or any external medium.
gangsterjoop said:
You forgot about Moore's Law.
Which states that the number of transistors that can be placed inexpensively on an integrated circuit doubles approximately every two years. (Thank you wikipedia )
This basically means that storage capacity doubles without becoming more expensive or bigger. Considering the fact that my Galaxy S II has 16 gb ( and 32 gb is possible ) of internal storage and another 32 gb of sd storage. Storage capacity will be 256 gb in 4 years. Of which 128 gb is really fast, for OS, and 128 gb is considerably fast, file storage.
When looking at the bigger picture other problems will be solved too. Because most of the specs will quadruple you are able to use photoshop and such.
And thereby the cloud computing will have evolved tremendously too in four years, rendering all the storage capacity useless.
So by the time we'll see docks as a standard, other problems will be solved too. Unless software requirements are raised too, but that seems unlikely, since my old 1.5 ghz 1 gb ddr 2 RAM laptop runs windows 7 fluidly. ( except for aero, damn you intel! )
Back on topic, I still haven't found a real good all in one VPN app, which also mounts my NAS as an SD card, or any external medium.
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I know my next science project, a wireless keyboard made specifically for droid
As for output it would need to record its own screen (which I have no idea how to do) and output it to a wireless device such as a laptop or maybe a google tv with android......
does it sound within the depths of realism?
gangsterjoop said:
You forgot about Moore's Law.
Which states that the number of transistors that can be placed inexpensively on an integrated circuit doubles approximately every two years. (Thank you wikipedia )
This basically means that storage capacity doubles without becoming more expensive or bigger. Considering the fact that my Galaxy S II has 16 gb ( and 32 gb is possible ) of internal storage and another 32 gb of sd storage. Storage capacity will be 256 gb in 4 years. Of which 128 gb is really fast, for OS, and 128 gb is considerably fast, file storage.
When looking at the bigger picture other problems will be solved too. Because most of the specs will quadruple you are able to use photoshop and such.
And thereby the cloud computing will have evolved tremendously too in four years, rendering all the storage capacity useless.
So by the time we'll see docks as a standard, other problems will be solved too. Unless software requirements are raised too, but that seems unlikely, since my old 1.5 ghz 1 gb ddr 2 RAM laptop runs windows 7 fluidly. ( except for aero, damn you intel! )
Back on topic, I still haven't found a real good all in one VPN app, which also mounts my NAS as an SD card, or any external medium.
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32GB is nothing much compared to TB harddisks available on the computer. Cloud storage is good, but if you want real performance the file being edited should still be in your local drive.
jolined said:
It would be great if you could dock your phone, have the screen project onto a wall, and have a wireless keyboard that synced...you'd basically have your computer..minus the hard drive space and all
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Great idea. Later on Mobile phone is just like small computer but just need external device e.g monitor,keyboard,mouse etc.
Seems cpu,ram,storage technology is growing fast.
See macbook air is very thin.may be in the future we just carry thin tablet and can be integrated with our phone.
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theo80 said:
32GB is nothing much compared to TB harddisks available on the computer. Cloud storage is good, but if you want real performance the file being edited should still be in your local drive.
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An even broader perspective, just for you.
In four years entire Europe will have an LTE network, so cloud storage up and down speeds shouldn't be too much of a problem. And besides, 32 gb is enough for caching all the stuff you're working on.
when i move, i use smartphone, when i'm home, i use computer
Most computers can run multiple operating systems. Most phones cannot.
And then there's the issue of battery life, where innovation crawls at the speed of a snail on tranquilizers.
rogier666 said:
Most computers can run multiple operating systems. Most phones cannot.
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There is no inherent design characteristic preventing that, it's all about hardware drivers. If the hardware makers release documentation, then drivers can be written. But the problem is, especially in the embedded world, closed hardware is the norm.
On the other hand, Nvidia has released Meego compatible tegra2 drivers that, while closed, allow installing Meego on tegra2-based Android tablets, for example.
You can build your own computer. You cant build your own phone but I wish one day we can do this
Also games but that's due to power of the device and accessibility and screen size all of which were mentioned
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rogier666 said:
Most computers can run multiple operating systems. Most phones cannot.
And then there's the issue of battery life, where innovation crawls at the speed of a snail on tranquilizers.
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Any one else notice this?
Battery-life as stayed the same for years.....Just enough for people to be satisfied......but maybe that is just me since i have only use the one provided by the Cellphone provider.....
maybe there are high capacity batteries that aren't being incorporated here?
Gusar321 said:
There is no inherent design characteristic preventing that, it's all about hardware drivers. If the hardware makers release documentation, then drivers can be written. But the problem is, especially in the embedded world, closed hardware is the norm.
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For the end user (that means almost everybody) it doesn't make any difference whether the limitation is due to hardware or software.
rogier666 said:
For the end user (that means almost everybody) it doesn't make any difference whether the limitation is due to hardware or software.
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True, but we're talking here about differences between PCs and phones. The ability to run multiple OSes isn't one. Because when you have the drivers, phones can run multiple OSes. People porting Android to Windows Mobile 6 phones, as an example.
The result of porting a mobile OS is nowhere near the result of porting a desktop OS.
If you install Linux on a PC designed for Windows it will usually work without any trouble. If you port a mobile OS you downgrade your smartphone to a toy.
Availability of drivers required for porting is a major difference between phones and computers. That's why ported mobile OSs rarely work as they should. There are always missing features, reduced performance, and broken functions.
That's not a hardware limitation, but that doesn't matter. What matters is the result. As long as ported mobile OSs are not suitable for real life use phones are not able to do everything that computers can do.
Hello Everyone,
In present times, if a company does not "innovate" or CREATE then its done for them..
But innovation has taken on to mobiles like anything.
You have OSes, you have hardwares the might of a mini-supercomputer wrapped into the mobile phones, and you have accessories to take that to the next level as well.
Above all if something lacks then it might be compensated by an application to some extent.
But of late these mobile manufacturers have started making fun of the very consumer who buys it from them and gives them business.
Cost competitiveness is the forte for a mobile phone company, but I simply do not understand why this ridiculous 16gb and 64gb variants for specifically the versions WITHOUT AN EXPANDABLE STORAGE..
FRUSTRATING AND @@[email protected][email protected]$$ what not...
YES this thread is about the LIMITED STORAGE ISSUE, you guessed it right..
Well you now have companies offering accessories which can personalize your device with NFC, extended battery, Music centric features, slider keyboards and stuff like what next.. in the back panels/ back covers.....
I have a innovative idea myself, well they dont call me the strategist just like that.....
What if an accessory was to extend the storage of your device....
like make a 16gb non external sd storage device get extra from a back cover or plate.....
If something can be possible, then this would be awesome because we people who need that extra storage wont have to clammer for a OTG or Pendrives.....
Pls some BACK Cover for this purpose to extend the storage so that we dont have to fiddle with an OTG option which is an extra and this will also be like fixed/ permanent with the mobile ...
let me know your thoughts on this people....
Warm Regards,
I have a cool idea, what if we could have an access port on each phone that could accept the cards of your choice.
Like first you buy the hardware (phone) then you can have your choice of cards that the memory for the entire phone would use, the only internal memory installed on the phone would be what was needed to hold the rom, the card would have two seperate modules, one for the ram, the the second for the storage.
As far as making it universal to all phones manufacturers would set forth a common socket to be used (much like a crazy microsd slot)
This would make manufacturing the hardware alot cheaper and add more customization at the consumer level
So the card would come with say a standard 2gb ram/14gb storage and as you go you could have say 16gb ram/16gb storage,
Design could be based on the current class 10 microsd only with it having 2 different module set and having direct access from the cpu via a memory manager.
O and when we switch phones all our information would go with us because we could put it in our new phone and our phones numbers, apps, (granted will need reinstalling,) txts, pics, ect
Sewrizer said:
16 GB ram is impossie due to other hardware limitations. Internal memory must be embedded to the motherboard to prevent disconnection and to maximize speed, because you will have your system in there, after all.
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Ram dose not haft to be hard wired to the board, look at pcs with expandable memory. My point is you would have 2 physical cards in one with access point for both witch will be controlled by a memory manager that is directly connected to the cpu. We are on the move to ddr4 witch means memory will hit the 22nm scale so packing 16, 32, 64, ir even 128gb would be no problem. Also with high transfer rates of ddr4 module lag between card, manager, and cpu would all be dependent on the set bus speed for the cpu and throughput of the manager
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Yes physical hardware problems right now. I mean in the next batch of phones. This is mainly just for r&d and it is possible. Ya know 10 years ago 4gb of ram was unheard of in any pc, now we have it in a phone