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How to free PROGRAM MEMORY in wm5

I had a friend who had this problem.I wonder who can help?With my O2 wizard i used to be running short of rom space ie storage memory as it had only 32mb left at factory default settings. My friend is running short of Program memory.ie ram space.
She is using eten m600+ that had 180mb storage for user and only 30mb program memory for user left at time of factory default settings.(when Bought from the shop)
original specs state 256mb rom and 64 mb ram.
after installing many programs the ppc still had about 125mb(excessive and redundant for running programs) left in storage and only 10 mb left in program memory.
Problem is certain programs like mapking, imap, agenda fusion(3000 contacts) consumes about 10 mb of program memory to run. then there is insufficient program memory to run a 2nd program at the same time.
If only we can shift like in my case 10 to 20mb from storage memory to program memory the the etenm600+ ppc would be wonderful.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO THIS?
She has also a miotech A700 with about almost the same programs installed.The miotech factory default program memory is also left with 30mb when purchased. HOWEVER with almost the same programs installed the program memory left is about 25mb.THERFORE on miotech there is no problems to run multiple programs concurrently.
Question:
1.What cause the difference in usage of the program memory?
2.What to do to ensure that the program memory is not used up during installation of programs?
3.Are we able to see the Program memory to identify which of our programs are occupying the space?
4.Can we do anything eg to shift the programs that occupy the space in program memory to storage memory or storage card( like the way we are able to shift certain programs from storage memory to storage card by shifting the programs from the Program files in Main Memory to Program files in storage card therby freeing the storage memory)
Any insight into this would be much appreciated. At this point manufacturers had yet to increase ram ie program memory from 64mb up to 128 or 256mb as had been done for storage memory ie rom in the case of eten600+ had been increased to 256mb from 128mb(Eten m600/o2 or dopod products)
With my O2 wizard i used to be running short of rom space ie storage memory as it had only 32mb at factory default settings

Ok, here is the memory explanation:
As you may or may not (I am not quite certain from your post) know on WM5 devices like the Wizard storage memory is ROM, or more precisely flash (NAND if you want to get technical).
Program memory is RAM (I think it's SRAM not sure).
Since these are two physically different types of memory there is no way what so ever to use one in place of the other. So no borrowing storage memory to run programs.
Even if it was somehow possible (which it's not) to use flash to run programs it would bring your device to a halt as its read / write speeds are much to slow.
On WM5 systems RAM (program memory) is used just like on PC exclusively for running programs. It can not be used for storage so there is no danger of it being wasted during installation.
I don't have an explanation regarding the ETEN vs MIO issue, but keep the following in mind:
1) 64MB is in reality reported as about 55MB (binary count difference), 10 - 15 of that is reserved by the system and as much as 5 more may be taken up by resident apps / services depending on the device and the provider.
2) Same program may use up different amounts of RAM under different circumstances and may have memory leaks which means the memory it uses grows over time even if you do not input more data.
Also check out this neat app. Its a really great tool if you want to see whats going on on your device.

combining memory on touch pro

Hi all, I'm not sure if it is already done, but when I open memory to see how much I spend and how much is still left I see that the phone splits memory for data use and memory for program use. is it possible to combine those to program use only? or does the pro does that automatic when program mem is full? because I bought a microsdhc cart and all my data is doing on that.
thanks in advanced!

You must be new to Windows Mobile. Windows Mobile devices has 2 types of memory, RAM and ROM. Since WM5, RAM is used to maintain running processes. ROM is used as storage (unlike pre WM5, where RAM is splitted between storage and running programs and ROM storage is hidden).
Touch Pro has 288MB RAM (about 200MB usable) and 512MB ROM (about 318MB usable). This is due to the amount of RAM used by OS (while running) and ROM used by OS (in storage).
When you insert your MicroSD card, you'll see a new folder in File Explorer. It's called Storage Card.
So, in simple statement, no, you can't combined the memory as they are different types of memory.

in other words, its like trying to combine your desktop PC RAM memory with DVD disk storage space.

lol okay I very much understand what your saying. I am new at wm idd. but hell no with computers I actually do a study Informatica but just didnt knew how wm was made or never really looked into it. I thought it was just like a harddisk on a pc were you install your programs & data like music. and it uses the RAM memory for running programs I installed on the harddisk. but never mind very much thnx for the explanation!

Windows Mobile 6.1 - understanding memory

Hi.
I've been using Windows Mobile for about 10 months now, and have been very happy with it and blah blah blah...
One thing that I really don't understand, is the memory "settings" page.
It shows storage and program memory, as well as a seperate tab for my storage card. Could someone please explain to me what the storage memory and program memory are? I know they're both my internal memory (as in, not my SD card), but don't get why there's 2! I would have thought it makes more sense to just have a value for the "fixed" memory, and a value for removable memory.
Thanks in advance guys & gals.
John.

Storage memory is like the HDD on your PC, it's the where you store the data.
Program memory is the RAM, where the programs are loaded to run.

Thanks syqe - that makes sense. Typical Microsoft to call something we're all 100% familiar with by a different name!
It also makes me happy because it means I've got shedloads of space left on my internal drive
Thanks again.

Storage Memory is the memory on your device which is available for installation of new applications/data.
Program memory is somewhat like the RAM on your PC. when you run an application from your Storage Memory, it loads to your Program Memory to run, just like on PC, when you run an application and it loads to your RAM.
Storage Card memory is the memory on your storage card.

Now the question is how to get things off of your storage memory and onto your high capicity microSD card?
Also, how do you manage your Ram aside from the simple task managers on windows mobile phones? Is there a more advanced task manager that will show you what the hogs are and let you determine if they are worth it?

fbickley said:
Now the question is how to get things off of your storage memory and onto your high capicity microSD card?
Also, how do you manage your Ram aside from the simple task managers on windows mobile phones? Is there a more advanced task manager that will show you what the hogs are and let you determine if they are worth it?
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The best for that is SKTools... there is also dotfred task manager (this 1 is free) but I'd rather pay 30 bucks for SKTools.

[Q] Identify where programs installed to (i.e Main Storage or Storage Card)

Hi all,
sorry if this has been posted already. looked around on google etc but to no avail.
i seem to be always running low on Storage space for installed programs on the internal memory. plenty left on storage card which is fine for installing games and other apps.
however for screen mods and themes etc i.e BSB tweaks, CHT etc. I always install on the phone memory, which is now running very low.
ive tried removing all cabs no longer in use or used rarley and still have little memory, plenty of spare memory under program but not in storage (on main memory)
so im looking for an alternative to the standard 'remove programs' function which will identify what cabs are installed to the internal memory and what is installed to memory card.
or alternativly a way or transfering some of the internal program storage over to the main storage.
this will save me having to do a hard re set to restore all storage space and re install cabs again etc.
im running standard WWE 1.48.405.2 Vodafone ROM, Radio 2.05.51.05_2 on WM6.5, HD2, any help is much appreciated, thanks, Batez

use pocket mechanic to transfer applications (which phone mechanic is able to transfer) from main memory to the storage card. This app is not free though but works a treat. Not sure if there are any free apps out there which can do something similar.

Thanks Mate
adamjee said:
use pocket mechanic to transfer applications (which phone mechanic is able to transfer) from main memory to the storage card. This app is not free though but works a treat. Not sure if there are any free apps out there which can do something similar.
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Thanks Adamjee, this looks like the app for me should do the trick, and with the other functions available i think its worth the cash, although i may keep searching for a free alternaitve first ill let you know if i find anything. now i know the sort of software im looking for will defo help me in my search. much appreciated Adam.
Ty, Chris

[Q] Samsung Omnia Icon i8000 Probs

Hi all here. I have a Samsung Omnia i8000 Icon running on Windows Mobile 6.1. This phone as defualt comes with 8GB memory plus I have added another 8GB MicroSD card to it boosting it to 16GB which is ample of RAM for what I need it for.
Recently I have been having probs with it and it keeps coming up with an error saying " Storage memory is critically low. If the storage memory is not increased, other progranms may not be able to start, use File Explorer to delete files that are no longer needed or move some files to the storage card:.
Now I also know when I ever download a software/file etc etc from the net, it goes into a download folder (by default) but I cannot seem to locate this folder, thought I am sure it does exist.
My other question here is when even I install a program and ask it where to install to, eg My Storage or Memory Card, dont know why but it seems to me the program is not installing there by default and keeps installing itself into main memory, can I switch or charge a program that is already installed in the main memory to the My Storage or the Storage Card.
Thanks