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It appears my IIi was broken. I am getting a new one soon, and I will update this thread with some pics with the new phone. Disregard this thread as it does not appear to reflect the true quality of the IIi
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Guys, I bought an XDA IIi. The one with the 1.3 megapixel camera. I heard the XDA series had bad cameras particularly in low light, but this is ridiculous!
It's even worse than my very first phone cam (the plugin to 7210), or a £2 webcam.
Surely it should be better than this?
http://img60.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img60&image=image000056cq.jpg
My old nokia 6600 takes the exactly the same shot PERFECTLY just with VGA and slightly unsaturated colour balance.
NB it takes better photos in daylight, but still poor compared to 6600.
So is my IIi broken? or is this how they are?
By the way, I have tried adjusting all the ambience settings (night, daylight etc), and the contrast brightness saturation hue etc but there was no improvement.
Any chance you could post a piccy taken in daylight? Outside if possible.
OK I will do tomorrow matey when it's sunny :lol:
http://img91.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img91&image=image000079ub.jpg
http://img91.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img91&image=image000085jw.jpg
Pictures taken in daylight with a grey sky
sho ryu ken said:
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damn $h1t... (
so you get more pixels with the same sorry looking quality...
Try to reduce Sharpening... That always helped on my XDA2.
buzz
lower sharpness
http://img91.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img91&image=image000137rs.jpg
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lower sharpness
http://img91.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img91&image=image000137rs.jpg
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not a big help...
anyway, what a nice place, you are living... )))
buzz
OK I created a little page with a comparison between IIi and an old 6600 VGA cam.
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~knaib/xda/xda 2i.html
The pictures are taken in exactly the same lighting at exactly the same time.
WTF is going on?
I have an XDA II and I have the same complaint with the camera. They use some crappy CMOS chip that produces pictures with a "watercolour" effect. For a £550 device I'm not sure what the logic of including an unusable camera.
guys, is my XDA IIi broken?
or is this typical?
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guys, is my XDA IIi broken?
or is this typical?
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I'd say, it is TYPICAL (
buzz
oh those pictures are really crappy, even my mda compact produces much better pics and i thought the 1.3mpx cam in it was bad!
cmos cameras will never be as good as CDD (used by real digi cams)
wrong colours
light sensitivness (grainy and such )
but they are cheap to make
and use less power
From what I've seen most other camera phones produce resonable pictures and they're using CMOS chips. It's just the XDA chip is pretty bad.
i just dont understand how it can be so bad. What the hell is the point in upgrading the camera to 1.3 megapixel if the quality doesn't improve, unless it's just a marketing scam.
I didn't expect it to be brilliant quality, but I thought it would be at least usable (or at least better than those sodding free webcams you get when you order a printer ink cartridge). I have a 14 day return period so I guess I will have to do some thinking
Also, before I take the pic, in the viewfinder it looks quite good. But when I press the button, it takes about 2 seconds to process and the final image is abysmal! It gets darker, and blurrier, and more pixellated. Is there another 3rd party camera program about or anything?
My camera version is 2.70
Since the camera should be the same as that on the imate Jam, perhaps people in this forum could comment on the picture quality. Indeed, it is disturbing to see a 1.3MP camera produce such horrible results,. If resolution were the only measure of quality, 1.3MP is more than enough for good quality photos. I have a 5MP Sony digital camera and seldom use resoultions larger than 1MP. If it is true that the quality is as bad as shown (rather than a faulty unit), predictions don't look good for the quality of the MDA IV camera.
loookin at the pics you've uploaded i am a bit confused....because one of the other user has also uploaded his side of pics taken out by xda IIi but they,re not THIS HORRIFIC !! :shock: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=16580&highlight=
(scroll down and see a post by applecom)
but some of the pics that youve taken out in daylight are a BIT OK !! just OK !! with same crap quality image....
what the hell is wrong with HTC when are they gonna take out a pda phone which has a good camera quality and a built in lan and qwerty keyboard are they scared to take out something like this because they might run out of business or something ? :? (as tht dream pda phone will be having everything in it so no more upgraded phones ?)
i have the same opinion that the pictures are crap, i have tacken probley 50 pics and not been inpreded with any of them rearley. But espically the one of the sheep dog i posted looks not to bad.
i did not look at it until it was posted, the spec is 5 lux so no chance of a good pic in the house, the one of my daughter cleaning th car ( that cost me £10 :evil: ) has a sun blure on the wite gates, but this was at 4pm and i am in the UK, and we dont get sun this time of year so maybe just the large area of white confused the camera.
as you can see i am no photographer but tomorow i will take some more pics of the same thing using a XDA2 XDA2i and a proper camera so you can compare
John (applecom)
a comparison would just be great.... if possible also try to take out the pics from xdaIIi in open air not in the house
regards
jeetz
Hi Guys!
I'm really happy with my Touch Pro for about a month or so, but one thing really dissapoints me : the camera. Before this TP I had a N95 and it really has a great camera; fast, vivid and sharp.
I have tried virtually every available setting in the TP Camera, but I keep getting pictures that aren't really sharp. Best result is pictures taken from a short distance, but when I try to shoot for example my house or street (daylight!) it's a bit blurry.
What's with your TP camera's; are they 'great' of do you have the same impression as I do?
well the HTC company has come from far considering the camera`s.
when al the other manufactor`s like samsung or nokia had 1.3 and 2.1 MP in their phone`s, htc was still stuck with 0.3 MP in their phone`s.
second while for all the other manufactory`s the camera function was very important to them, it wasn`t for htc.
htc never was sold as a camera phone but as an PPC or PDA with a camera.
and don`t forget that a company like sony and samsung already made very good foto and video camera`s it was easy for them to implement a good camere in their phone.
so altouch you now have a nice 3.2MP with autophocus on youre HTC it stil isent a real photo camera.
it just can take picture`s and good ones for the majority of people.
still if you want to take a proffesionel looking foto you got to do it with youre real camera
personaly for me the camera in the HTC is good for a quick snapshot or a nice picture.
sure i would like to see a better camera on the Touch pro or diamond, but if it was just the good camera i wanted i was getting me a sony ericsson.
probably you did aspect more from the camera of youre HTC, and that is to bad.
maybe you did not do any research on the camera`s in the past.
or you didn`t see picture`s taken with an HTC before you bought yours and so i can understand the disappointment you are having.
but you probably haveto live with it.
there are also some settings you can adjust with, maybe you got to try it out.
point is, HTC has a camera on it but it is not the most important thing on the phone.
Are you touching the round button first to get a focus, before you depress it fully to take the shot? Lightly placing your finger on the button causes the indicator on-screen to go green, indicating focus has been achieved. If you don't do it in these two steps, the camera hasn't focussed properly and your shots will be fuzzy.
I tend to get pretty good shots with mine.
It's all there in the manual.
You really can't expect much from the pinhole camera. The focus is strictly software contrast detection fixed focus, so it will be nowhere as good as a real camera with true autofocus. Basically it's stuck at a super high aperture (fstop, like f22) so that it can focus on everything. It can't really truly "focus." With such cheap cameras, it's possible some just aren't calibrated right. I'm still waiting for those liquid lenses that were suppose to revolutionize camera phones 2 years ago or the Squiggle 5mm focusing motor.
What i found a lot of people doing is they hold the thumb over the button and hear the fake focus noise and think thats it, when it fact you have to keep your thumb there until you hear the focus beeps. Usually takes 2-3 seconds. I'm actually kinda impress how macro the focus can get. Noise is pretty bad though, you'll need to reduce the image by at least 1/4th to get rid of it via subsampling.
Thanks very much for all your quick replies!
Yep; I'm using a light touch on the button and wait for the auto-focus to become green before completely pressing. I also tried other settings like pressing once and waiting for the picture to be taken.
I complete understand your filosophy about that the HTC builds PPC's / PDA's and not camera-phones like the Sony or Nokia. In that light; the pictures of the 3.2MP camera aren't too bad.
However, I am used to carrying my phone with me everywhere and sometimes would like to take a picture without carrying my normal camera around. That was going really great with the N95; so great that most of the time I left my real camera at home. Now, with the HTC, I have to remember to carry my camera with me when I am going somewhere I might want to take a picture. That sucks in my opiniion
I did extensive research on the phone I wanted and the TP was the best match for my needs. I thought. Never thought about checking the camera-quality. Stupid me.
But... I am not thinking of getting rid of the phone because of the camera. Yet.
I don't think it's a focus problem, I think the problem is the low quality of the lens. Yes, unfortunately TP doesn't have nearly the quality of a N95 or similar, but the N series has always been about great multimedia cameraphones, which isn't TP's market. I'm not justifying the bad quality, I'm just saying I didn't expect a great camera from a professional phone.
what about the camera quality compared to a 2mp BlackBerry camera??
just curious
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what about the camera quality compared to a 2mp BlackBerry camera??
just curious
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I also have a BlackBerry Pearl from my work and its camera is about the same quality as the Touch Pro. Sometimes even a bit sharper but less colourfull. It hasn't got autofocus.
Hi, i hear that LG G2X has a great camera..but Im very dissapointed in mine. Maybe its just mine, but is there a way i can fix it? My Mytouch 4g has better picture quality than the g2x..any suggestions?
this camera is actually not that great. tried taking pictures with back on and off. it does make a small difference but quality still not comparable to the iphone4. even the sensation camera is better. i remember reading a site that rates all camera phone by taking the same picture in same setting with all different kind of smart phone and this phone didn't score well.
I'm pretty dang happy with mine! Whats that site called?
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Seems to me that if lighting conditions are correct my pictures are pretty nice. But if it's dark or cloudy, I have to do so much manipulation in the settings to even score a half-way decent pic.
Overall, I'm very happy with the camera. Image quality almost rivals my cheap 5 year old Nikon.
So, after much internal debate, I went back to Gingerbread for the old camera and stability.
My goodness I forgot how good we had it! With all the "auto" stuff and "widescreen" ticked off, this camera takes a ridiculously good picture. I tested it out at this particularly dark room on the house, and the picture turned out perfect. I forgot how great our camera was.
To anyone on ICS, do you ever miss the old camera?
Its nice to have a good camera app BUT being on ICS or JB is way better than a camera
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Its nice to have a good camera app BUT being on ICS or JB is way better than a camera
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Isn't that what makes nandroids and having S-Off SO wonderful?
I hear this a lot but I have to say something. It's the same physical camera so this is a software issue. Try this on ICS: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id= com.moblynx.cameraicsplus or this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=slide.cameraZoom Both have way more options than CM9 and take just as nice pics as the GB Sense camera app if tweaked properly. Good luck!
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=slide.cameraZoom Both have way more options than CM9 and take just as nice pics as the GB Sense camera app if tweaked properly. Good luck!
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Camera Zoom FX is awesome! I think its worth the price for what it can do. I just got it and have been messing with it here and there at work lol. Thanks for the recommendation of it.
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manimmal said:
Camera Zoom FX is awesome! I think its worth the price for what it can do. I just got it and have been messing with it here and there at work lol. Thanks for the recommendation of it.
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Hey, no problem! It's an oldie but goodie I'd recommend using Macro for the focus setting. Seems to work more like stock auto focus that way for some strange reason. Otherwise, everything else is pretty self explanatory. Lots of filters and editors to play with! Enjoy!
So didn't want to start a new thread, and this was the first camera one I found going backwards through general.
The camera on the doubleshot spanks the pants off the camera on the S3. No contest, and if it was, the S3 forgot to show up.
That is all.
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So didn't want to start a new thread, and this was the first camera one I found going backwards through general.
The camera on the doubleshot spanks the pants off the camera on the S3. No contest, and if it was, the S3 forgot to show up.
That is all.
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I have to agree. I've taken comparison pics (done at the same time of the same subject) with my MT4GS on stock-based ROM (Miktouch) and CM9.1r5 (thank you nandroid backup!), an iPhone 4S, and a Droid RAZR. Loading the photos on a computer and viewing on a high-res monitor it is obvious that the MT4GS on the stock ROM is superior in every way. Why T-Mobile/HTC didn't market this phone better, I don't know.
+1, I recently took some outdoor night shots of a light show, and my camera bested the S3, which couldn't get a shot. But the flash is much brighter on the S3
I did compare the doubleshot's camera on stock ROM and my Xperia Pro device which was at the same generation with doubleshot and photo's on Xperia Pro are way too good compare to doubleshot. I'll try to upload a comparison between the 2 on this thread maybe tomorrow or after halloween vacation.
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I did compare the doubleshot's camera on stock ROM and my Xperia Pro device which was at the same generation with doubleshot and photo's on Xperia Pro are way too good compare to doubleshot. I'll try to upload a comparison between the 2 on this thread maybe tomorrow or after halloween vacation.
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MAN! I'll be anxious to see those. It's hard to believe there is a phone camera that will take a shot that our DS can't even compare too!! In MOST circumstances the DS will blow away my point & shoot although I will admit it's not a fancy point & shoot.
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MAN! I'll be anxious to see those. It's hard to believe there is a phone camera that will take a shot that our DS can't even compare too!! In MOST circumstances the DS will blow away my point & shoot although I will admit it's not a fancy point & shoot.
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My "point & shoot" is a Panasonic Lumix, which takes excellent photos. The only advantage it has over my MT4GS is the lens. Having a better optical zoom and aperture makes a difference. Otherwise, they are both 8MP sensors, however the MT4GS has a newer and much more advanced back side illuminated sensor, which is why it is so crisp and takes better low-light images.
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My "point & shoot" is a Panasonic Lumix, which takes excellent photos. The only advantage it has over my MT4GS is the lens. Having a better optical zoom and aperture makes a difference. Otherwise, they are both 8MP sensors, however the MT4GS has a newer and much more advanced back side illuminated sensor, which is why it is so crisp and takes better low-light images.
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If you are talking about a full size standalone point and shoot camera, (about the same size as the doubleshot physically) then 8MP is not the same 8MP the doubleshot claims.
The ccd in the standalone camera is way larger and more capable, though tit-for-tat the tech on an 8MP camera is dated compared to what was current a year ago when the doubleshot came out. Think they were at 12-14 megapixel as the standard offering back then. No clue what it even is now.
The low light picture ability of the doubleshot is in my opinion the most 'wow'
aspect of it's entire camera ability. Forget it all else, i've never seen low light pictures taken as well with any hardware i've had the chance to play with.
I'm sure I could get a DSLR that would blow away the doubleshot - and i'm equally sure it won't fit in my pocket and in turn rarely be with me.
I am a man of many pockets, a typical comment to me would be 'jeez, you have enough pockets?' ... and my answer is always no, because there is always something I had to leave behind.
I would never give pocket space for a standalone point and shoot when I could take the DS instead and also be able to turn the pictures into a photo montage, edit them in other ways, zip them all up, throw them in my dropbox and have them backed up to a multitude of physical machines scattered around the USA, then email them to someone...et all, the point and shoot dies on the drawing board when put against that.
Camera is now a primary use of the device for me, and i'm just blown away by how well HTC got it right.
I'd also be interested in seeing some of those pics from the xperia pro, is that a camera or a phone? Doubtless there are devices out there that will outdo the doubleshot, especially at a year old, but i'd be curious to know which.
One thing that gives a leg up on a lot out there, optical zoom. S3 has none, so that in itself is a huge asset in favor of the doubleshot.
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+1, I recently took some outdoor night shots of a light show, and my camera bested the S3, which couldn't get a shot. But the flash is much brighter on the S3
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Again on the low level shots, definite agreement here.
Our flash is limited in power and when you can use it in the kernel at least, not sure of any other limiters (within the camera app itself, et al ) but they may yet be there. Anyone else got any info on it they want to drop here? I'll see if I can dredge up everywhere I found camera stuff in kernel code.
This seems a good place to drop misc. camera tidbits as I come to them, good title and start.
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If you are talking about a full size standalone point and shoot camera, (about the same size as the doubleshot physically) then 8MP is not the same 8MP the doubleshot claims.
The ccd in the standalone camera is way larger and more capable, though tit-for-tat the tech on an 8MP camera is dated compared to what was current a year ago when the doubleshot came out. Think they were at 12-14 megapixel as the standard offering back then. No clue what it even is now.
The low light picture ability of the doubleshot is in my opinion the most 'wow'
aspect of it's entire camera ability. Forget it all else, i've never seen low light pictures taken as well with any hardware i've had the chance to play with.
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The size of the sensor is indeed a big part of the picture (pun intended). However, the sensor in our phone is a 8MP 1/3.2" with 1.4µm backside illumination. That bests nearly every other phone on the market and some cheap point & shoot cameras. Of course, the sensor in a DSLR is far larger, so you get much more detail.
The low-light capability for our phone is due to the backside-illumination sensor (for background info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back-illuminated_sensor). Ours was the first phone in the US to incorporate such a sensor, later to be followed by the iPhone 4S. The iPhone, of course, got huge media attention for the camera, but our phone which had the exact same sensor and came out much earlier and had far better software to run it, got little attention.
I've been lurking around here since the phone launched, and on XDA since my G2 days. This is the first time I've felt the need to chime in on a subject, and I suppose also because there haven't been any questions that I couldn't find the answer to myself. Anyway, mine's a launch DS, rev s-off and the whole nine. I remember reading some time ago that there were different camera hardware components on some of our phones (e.g. that one topic where any ICS rom would fail to connect to a particular user's DS camera, yet it would be fine with any GB rom.) so maybe that is of some significance to this whole topic.
Back to the point though, I was blown away when I first used the camera on the stock rom. I use this phone heavily for it's sick camera and the keyboard, which kept me on stock for a short bit and then bulletproof until May. That's when ICS was far enough along for me that I gave Virtuous Inquisition a shot since it retained the sense camera but removed most other sense components. I recall being slightly disappointed in a few minor changes/things at first by the sensation camera software, but having used the camera on CM9 and its derivatives I find that there really is no comparison in the quality that HTC brought to the table with theirs. You could get a comparable picture I'm sure, but the usability is night and day for me. As far as alternative apps, I've messed around with Camera Zoom FX pro a bit and I'd say it is almost as good as the stock ds and sensation offerings but not quite there. It does well for me when I decide to run CM or paranoid android on bootmanager.
Lastly, the HQ camera tweak that is floating around here somewhere is awesome. Average file size of a picture in the full 8mp went from around 2mb before and 5mb afterwards, with a definitely noticeable jump in quality. The max ISO also jumps to 1025 from 800, so more low light goodness. I've gotten some really nice shots with all the different versions I've been running over the past 15 months, but I was once again really impressed after first applying the tweak around June or so.
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Lastly, the HQ camera tweak that is floating around here somewhere is awesome. Average file size of a picture in the full 8mp went from around 2mb before and 5mb afterwards, with a definitely noticeable jump in quality. The max ISO also jumps to 1025 from 800, so more low light goodness. I've gotten some really nice shots with all the different versions I've been running over the past 15 months, but I was once again really impressed after first applying the tweak around June or so.
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I think I came accross this HQ camera tweak before but must have gotten side tracked and never tried it. Will it work with a stock based rom like MikTouch? Do you think you can point me to it if it does?
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I've been lurking around here since the phone launched, and on XDA since my G2 days. This is the first time I've felt the need to chime in on a subject, and I suppose also because there haven't been any questions that I couldn't find the answer to myself. Anyway, mine's a launch DS, rev s-off and the whole nine. I remember reading some time ago that there were different camera hardware components on some of our phones (e.g. that one topic where any ICS rom would fail to connect to a particular user's DS camera, yet it would be fine with any GB rom.) so maybe that is of some significance to this whole topic.
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Early units of the Doubleshot have the Sony IMX105PQ, a 1/3.2” 8.13MP CMOS camera sensor. But the majority of our phones use the Samsung S5K3H2YX, a 1/3.2” 8MP CMOS camera sensor. That could be the discrepancy you describe.
I'd like to know more about this HQ patch you mention. Where is it, does it work with GB roms?
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I think I came accross this HQ camera tweak before but must have gotten side tracked and never tried it. Will it work with a stock based rom like MikTouch? Do you think you can point me to it if it does?
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Early units of the Doubleshot have the Sony IMX105PQ, a 1/3.2” 8.13MP CMOS camera sensor. But the majority of our phones use the Samsung S5K3H2YX, a 1/3.2” 8MP CMOS camera sensor. That could be the discrepancy you describe.
I'd like to know more about this HQ patch you mention. Where is it, does it work with GB roms?
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@fuzi I knew I had seen a topic about those details before. I have a launch model that most likely has the Sony sensor, and I've been thoroughly impressed by it during all this time. Can anyone with the Samsung sensor that was probably released on the later batches (in I think November and February maybe?) give any feedback on their images?
@siani & fuzi The original thread is here, just copy the latter half of the broken up link: /showthread.php?t=1533238
I couldn't find the thread where I originally got this link in, either on the themes & apps board or the dev board, but I might have missed the topic. I flashed the zip labeled for vinq in cwm, so i can't comment on how well other sense ICS roms work with it. I do not think it will work for GB roms. In that thread, there is a standard and an ultra flashable. I am about 90% positive I flashed the standard zip, I think the ultra package only improves upon the 1080p video performance over the standard package, which our ICS is sorely lacking the capability for anyhow.
If anyone is interested in pictures I can dig through my archives and put some examples up.
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@fuzi I knew I had seen a topic about those details before. I have a launch model that most likely has the Sony sensor, and I've been thoroughly impressed by it during all this time. Can anyone with the Samsung sensor that was probably released on the later batches (in I think November and February maybe?) give any feedback on their images?
@siani & fuzi The original thread is here, just copy the latter half of the broken up link: /showthread.php?t=1533238
I couldn't find the thread where I originally got this link in, either on the themes & apps board or the dev board, but I might have missed the topic. I flashed the zip labeled for vinq in cwm, so i can't comment on how well other sense ICS roms work with it. I do not think it will work for GB roms. In that thread, there is a standard and an ultra flashable. I am about 90% positive I flashed the standard zip, I think the ultra package only improves upon the 1080p video performance over the standard package, which our ICS is sorely lacking the capability for anyhow.
If anyone is interested in pictures I can dig through my archives and put some examples up.
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Thank you. I believe I have one with the Sony sensor, as well. I will look for the HQ package. The camera issue is one of the main things that keeps me coming back to Miktouch. Man, I wish HTC would just do the right thing and produce an ICS or JB for this phone.
EDIT: Ah, I see the HQ packages are only for Sense 3.6 or Sense4 ROMs. I've given up on those for now, just too many annoying quirks for my use.
Ok just came back from vacation will do a shootout later and Xperia Pro is a phone made by sony.
With regards to low light pictures it boasts it's own exmor R sensor which was made by sony specifically for low light capturing.
Here's a quick info of what it is.
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/technology/technology/theme/exmor_r_01.html
And here's Xperia Pro
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_pro-3779.php
Ok, guys, since it's a very important topic, one of the pros of this device and what it is advertised for, I feel the need and obligation to speak about the front camera ridiculous noiseness, blurriness and inability to focus.
Alright, I won't even bother with the mighty rear cameras because there's enough fuss about them. What I noticed clearly is about the front. Dude, this camera configuration by the date is horrid. I say configuration because, thank god, it seems to be a software error.
In low light, the front camera is simply a wreck full of noise. And what is most is that I noticed that because I've came from the g7 plus, which had a great front camera, recording 4k. And even without using 4k on that one, I noticed the bad quality of the g8 plus HD one. I don't want to mention that bad adjusting to light conditions, too.
Now, after downloading Gcam and testing it, it seemed to get rid of substancial noise, but not too good.
I hope you guys noticed this too and we get reedeemed by a future update on this crap. It seems software problem
We need custom roms.