Several people have asked my questions regarding the connector on that adapter that comes with the XDA II and allows you to use the AC/DC charger without the cradle. :idea:
THis info is quite usefull, also if you are building your own usb sync/charge cable.
First off, the AC/DC charger is rated at 5V and 1 amp, though it has a no-lead voltage around 6.3V (GND is on the outside of the charger plug, +5 Volts on the inside hole/pin). You don't really need the 1 amp to charge the XDA, it's just there so that you can also charge the second battery, which you can insert into the cradle .
Now for the Pinout on the adapter. See here for more info on the XDA connector: http://www.xda-developers.com/connectors/
Pin 20,21,22: +5 Volt
Pin 16,17,18: GND
Pin 5: GND
Shorting the lines across three pins provides current load leveling for charging.
Now for the usb sync/charge cable. Here we need to add the following pins:
Pin 2: GND (my usb charge/sync cable does not connect to pin 5, just pin 2, so these are probably shorted inside the XDA)
Pin 13: +5 Volt
Pin 14: USB Data H(+)
Pin 15: USB Data L (-)
From the design, it becomes evident that the pins 16-18/20-22 are only used for the charge circuitry. There is probably a current sensing circuit in this set.
Pins 2 and 5 are the digital ground. Pin 13 powers the usb circuitry, also waking the XDA and starting AxctiveSync.
BTW: The PDA will only charge if at least one of the pins 16,17,or 18 isconnected to ground and at least one of the pins 20,21 or 22 are connected to +5V. Otherwise, though the XDA may say it is charging, it will actually just drain the battery.
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Several people have asked my questions regarding the connector on that adapter that comes with the XDA II and allows you to use the AC/DC charger without the cradle. :idea:
THis info is quite usefull, also if you are building your own usb sync/charge cable.
First off, the AC/DC charger is rated at 5V and 1 amp, though it has a no-lead voltage around 6.3V (GND is on the outside of the charger plug, +5 Volts on the inside hole/pin). You don't really need the 1 amp to charge the XDA, it's just there so that you can also charge the second battery, which you can insert into the cradle .
Now for the Pinout on the adapter. See here for more info on the XDA connector: http://www.xda-developers.com/connectors/
Pin 20,21,22: +5 Volt
Pin 16,17,18: GND
Pin 5: GND
Shorting the lines across three pins provides current load leveling for charging.
Now for the usb sync/charge cable. Here we need to add the following pins:
Pin 2: GND (my usb charge/sync cable does not connect to pin 5, just pin 2, so these are probably shorted inside the XDA)
Pin 13: +5 Volt
Pin 14: USB Data H(+)
Pin 15: USB Data L (-)
From the design, it becomes evident that the pins 16-18/20-22 are only used for the charge circuitry. There is probably a current sensing circuit in this set.
Pins 2 and 5 are the digital ground. Pin 13 powers the usb circuitry, also waking the XDA and starting AxctiveSync.
BTW: The PDA will only charge if at least one of the pins 16,17,or 18 isconnected to ground and at least one of the pins 20,21 or 22 are connected to +5V. Otherwise, though the XDA may say it is charging, it will actually just drain the battery.
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I just received my iMate XDA2. I have a charging connector/USB cable combo left over from my XDA1. I inserted it into the XDA2 and the amber glowed (charging) and got to green (charged). Your comment about if pins aren't grounded, unit appears to be charging but actually isn't. Is there a way to confirm the charge/USB combo is actually okay for my XDA2?
from what ive heard/been reading the XDA 2 charger kicks out 2Amp max not 1A
and cahrging via usb will drain your battery more then it will charge it?
so i dont think modding the cradel to charge via usb will do nothing but drain your xda2 whilst sitting on it as it will be lit up and activesync will be open
gaz
XDA2 Charging
gazzaman2k said:
from what ive heard/been reading the XDA 2 charger kicks out 2Amp max not 1A
and cahrging via usb will drain your battery more then it will charge it?
so i dont think modding the cradel to charge via usb will do nothing but drain your xda2 whilst sitting on it as it will be lit up and activesync will be open
gaz
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The charger is rated actually at 1 amp and for purposes of charging the 2nd battery in the cradle if one had a spare. Thus 500mA or less will charge the unit. It did mine.
oh how come on xpansys their chargers kick out 2A :? :shock:
Just for those without an electrical engineering degree:
Important for charging is the voltage, not the current. Sure, a large charge current could charge the battery faster, but even then only if the charge voltage were high enough. And then, these batteries are highly sensitive beasts, requiring a complex charge strategy - if the current is too high they just blow up! If the current is low, it just takes longer.
The MDA/XDA has an intelligent charge circuit, which is software controlled and most likely senses and controls the actual charge current. When doing a "full blow" charge it probably limits the current to around 0.5 amps (though I haven't measured this), but will decrease this current considerably once the battery gets nearly full (otherwise we would cook the battery).
Aes, you can charge the XDA without problems from the usb bus. The only caveat: check that cable -see above!. I do it all the time and in fact, have often gone into internet cafe's whilst on the road just to charge my XDA (cause the charger was defect).
And yes, you can see if the battery is really charging: if the light is on and the %-age full increases over a few minutes, then the battery is really charging.
ah cool cheers for clearing that up then lol so it does work my bad :\ just thought it was weird how their cahrgers are 2A meaning it will be charged in like 2 seconds like :\ thats what confused me
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oh how come on xpansys their chargers kick out 2A :? :shock:
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The rated output is 5V / 2A for the XDA2 AC adapter. My math was a little in error. If you don't have a 2nd battery charging in the cradle, than a 5V / 1A charger would suffice. Howver, it did a great job of charging just thru the USB cable. I can't remember off the top of my head what a USB line is capable of - 500mA??
Sorry for the confusion.
i've got the solution!!!
Hi everyone, i think i have the solution of XDA II not charging on USB port using XDA sync/charger cable... if u want the XDA II charging from USB, just open up the connector and disconnect the 20,21,22 pins from USB bus power line. After that, u can use XDA sync/charge cable in any USB port and they will sync and charge the XDA II.
How i know this??? 'cos i "reverse-engineered" the connection of the cradle... i was wondered y using the same usb port, the cradle can charge while the sync cable can't... so i test all the connection of the cradle and found that pin 20,21,22 and also pin 2 is disconnect. The pin 20,21,22 only connected to power when u plug in the DC into the cradle. This mean that pin 20,21,22 connected to DC (+) while the pin 2 is connected to DC (-) only when u plug in the external DC supply to the cradle.
I've modified my XDA sync cable and now i can charge my XDA II on any USB port even from my laptop. Hope this helps for those who purchased the XDA sync/charge cable to use with XDA II. :wink:
To those who like to go further....
The only problem that i can c now is that if u modified the cable and u use it with a car adaptor, will it charge the XDA II as fast as possible like when u plug in the external DC supply? OR will it only trickle charge the XDA II as using USB port? i really don't know 'cos i don't have a car here with me to try it out... but i think it will only trickle charge the XDA II only...
Therefore, to those who like to get charge faster in the car, u can install a small switch connected between the USB power line and pin 20,21,22. By switching the switch, u can choose between trickle charge and fast charge. 8)
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hai®]Hi everyone, i think i have the solution of XDA II not charging on USB port using XDA sync/charger cable... if u want the XDA II charging from USB, just open up the connector and disconnect the 20,21,22 pins from USB bus power line. After that, u can use XDA sync/charge cable in any USB port and they will sync and charge the XDA II.
How i know this??? 'cos i "reverse-engineered" the connection of the cradle... i was wondered y using the same usb port, the cradle can charge while the sync cable can't... so i test all the connection of the cradle and found that pin 20,21,22 and also pin 2 is disconnect. The pin 20,21,22 only connected to power when u plug in the DC into the cradle. This mean that pin 20,21,22 connected to DC (+) while the pin 2 is connected to DC (-) only when u plug in the external DC supply to the cradle.
I've modified my XDA sync cable and now i can charge my XDA II on any USB port even from my laptop. Hope this helps for those who purchased the XDA sync/charge cable to use with XDA II. :wink:
To those who like to go further....
The only problem that i can c now is that if u modified the cable and u use it with a car adaptor, will it charge the XDA II as fast as possible like when u plug in the external DC supply? OR will it only trickle charge the XDA II as using USB port? i really don't know 'cos i don't have a car here with me to try it out... but i think it will only trickle charge the XDA II only...
Therefore, to those who like to get charge faster in the car, u can install a small switch connected between the USB power line and pin 20,21,22. By switching the switch, u can choose between trickle charge and fast charge. 8)
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I would be most carefull about this solution. I know that the charge-light will go on, but I'm not sure it will actually charge the battery (just check after 5-10 minutes if the batteries have really charged.
As you noted, the external charger goes across pins 20-22 (+5V) and 16-18(GND). This is where the XDA is meant to charge the battery - and it will do so under any conditions if the +5V is applied here. Pin 13 is meant to power the usb circuitry and it wakes the XDA II up, starting ActiveSync at the same time, it is not meant to charge the battery.
Hi, i've checked and tried on few machines... it really works... trust me... maybe the charging circuit on XDA II is different from XDA???
And as i said in the post b4, the connection is "copied" from the original cradle, so it's absolutely correct unless i did something wrong on my side... but well i've double checked it... :wink:
If u've some time to spare, can u pls check the connection of the cradle as well? it's good to verify so that all XDA II users will benefit from this... Thanks!
Should work, since I only use the cradle without power supply to charge my MDA II. Full or empty doesn't matter, the MDA II always gets fully charged.
Didn't measure the pin layout yet in my cradle.
Upgrading from T-mobile pocket pc phone edition to imate
In reveiewing this thread - it appears that I will be able to use my car charging cradle, and my USB chrger/synch cable, perhaps with some minor pin adjustments.
I would like to know if anyone has experienced any damage/ problems relating to using xda1 accessories with the xda2.
Also, I have the thumb-keyboard, and wonder if anyone has tried using the xda1 thumbboard with the xda2. Would like to avoid re-buying all my accessories if possible. Help is appreciated.
Thom Hall
Upgrading from T-mobile pocket pc phone edition to imate
In reveiewing this thread - it appears that I will be able to use my car charging cradle, and my USB chrger/synch cable, perhaps with some minor pin adjustments.
I would like to know if anyone has experienced any damage/ problems relating to using xda1 accessories with the xda2.
Also, I have the thumb-keyboard, and wonder if anyone has tried using the xda1 thumbboard with the xda2. Would like to avoid re-buying all my accessories if possible. Help is appreciated.
Thom Hall
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hai®]Hi everyone, i think i have the solution of XDA II not charging on USB port using XDA sync/charger cable... if u want the XDA II charging from USB, just open up the connector and disconnect the 20,21,22 pins from USB bus power line. After that, u can use XDA sync/charge cable in any USB port and they will sync and charge the XDA II.
How i know this??? 'cos i "reverse-engineered" the connection of the cradle... i was wondered y using the same usb port, the cradle can charge while the sync cable can't... so i test all the connection of the cradle and found that pin 20,21,22 and also pin 2 is disconnect. The pin 20,21,22 only connected to power when u plug in the DC into the cradle. This mean that pin 20,21,22 connected to DC (+) while the pin 2 is connected to DC (-) only when u plug in the external DC supply to the cradle.
I've modified my XDA sync cable and now i can charge my XDA II on any USB port even from my laptop. Hope this helps for those who purchased the XDA sync/charge cable to use with XDA II. :wink:
To those who like to go further....
The only problem that i can c now is that if u modified the cable and u use it with a car adaptor, will it charge the XDA II as fast as possible like when u plug in the external DC supply? OR will it only trickle charge the XDA II as using USB port? i really don't know 'cos i don't have a car here with me to try it out... but i think it will only trickle charge the XDA II only...
Therefore, to those who like to get charge faster in the car, u can install a small switch connected between the USB power line and pin 20,21,22. By switching the switch, u can choose between trickle charge and fast charge. 8)
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Just to check with you, i am going to test my car charger....are you saying that the +ve needs to be connected to either one of the pins (#20,21,22) and -ve to gnd pins (16,17,18).
Is all the gnd #2,#5, #16, #17 & #18 shorted? and pin#20, 21 and 22 shorted as well?
Thanks. :?:
Hi i've made a "not-so-nice" layout... which i think explained better than myself... :lol:
The lower part showed the connection needs to sync and charge with USB only. The upper part become valid when u plug in the external DC into the cradle. I do think that pins 2,5 is somehow shorted internally.
So, if u test ur car charger, i think pins 20,21,22 should shorted with pin 13 to the power(+) while pins 2,5,16,17,18 are shorted to ground(-).
The XDA car charger shouldn't be a problem to charge the XDA II... it's just the XDA USB sync and charge cable that causing the non-charge bug on XDA II...
Hope this clear all the confusion... :wink:
Best regards,
[so said:
hai®]Hi i've made a "not-so-nice" layout... which i think explained better than myself... :lol:
The lower part showed the connection needs to sync and charge with USB only. The upper part become valid when u plug in the external DC into the cradle. I do think that pins 2,5 is somehow shorted internally.
So, if u test ur car charger, i think pins 20,21,22 should shorted with pin 13 to the power(+) while pins 2,5,16,17,18 are shorted to ground(-).
The XDA car charger shouldn't be a problem to charge the XDA II... it's just the XDA USB sync and charge cable that causing the non-charge bug on XDA II...
Hope this clear all the confusion... :wink:
Thanks for the clarification. As i am not able to tell where i should start count on the pin and also which leg it belongs to, can you shed some light on this.
I have attached 2 pics of cable end.
Best regards,
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Anyway to modify a Boxwave cable for use with an XDA II?
Have read the posts with interest. Can someone confirm what needs to be done to get a USB cable to charge.
Many thanks
o2xda2 said:
[so said:
hai®]Hi i've made a "not-so-nice" layout... which i think explained better than myself... :lol:
The lower part showed the connection needs to sync and charge with USB only. The upper part become valid when u plug in the external DC into the cradle. I do think that pins 2,5 is somehow shorted internally.
So, if u test ur car charger, i think pins 20,21,22 should shorted with pin 13 to the power(+) while pins 2,5,16,17,18 are shorted to ground(-).
The XDA car charger shouldn't be a problem to charge the XDA II... it's just the XDA USB sync and charge cable that causing the non-charge bug on XDA II...
Hope this clear all the confusion... :wink:
Thanks for the clarification. As i am not able to tell where i should start count on the pin and also which leg it belongs to, can you shed some light on this.
I have attached 2 pics of cable end.
Best regards,
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The odd pins (1,3,5...21) are located on one side, the even pins (2,4,6...22) on the other side. Your left picture shows the even and the right picture the odd pins.
Fidl
Hi all,
I'm sure this will infuriate those guys who are trying their best to explain this to us thickies....but.....
I have purchased the L'il Sync cable from eXpansys (from PPCTech I think) and, obviously, it won't charge the XDA-II.
Now I have a soldering iron, and I'm prepared to use it, but I need to know EXACTLY which wires to chop, or where to solder. I'm still having trouble woking out whether to solder pin 16,17 or 18 to somewhere - or whether to cut other wires off. I fact - I don't really know which pin is which!
I know you guys have the know-how - but you need to make it really simple for me to understand!
Please help!!
Thanks,
MB
Hey guys,
Been wondering how everyone else charges their phones. I've always used my usb charger and only used the car charger when necessary.
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Drain till 2 percent charge to 100 unplug turn off charge up to 100 turn on charge and repeat 2 times. Long story short I bump charge
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I do the battery calibration from the other thread about once a week. For everyday charging I just charge when low. So far my battery last pretty long.some days longer then others.
I usually just plug it in
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Just the usual. Plug it into the standard micro USB the phone came with. Calibrate every time I update my ROM(since Humble comes with a battery calibrate app, makes it very easy).
at home i use the USB charger that came with the Charge. at work i use a micro usb charger that came with a palm pixi or a bluetooth headset that used micro usb to charge. I tried using a microusb cable plugged into my work computer, but that triggers the usb storage mode, which stops my podcast player. I've also noticed some universal usb chargers trigger the USB storage mode.
In the car I have the Charge car dock. I use a mini usb charger for a garmin gps with a mini to micro usb adapter with it. If I plug that directly into the Charge, it triggers the Desktop dock mode, rather than car dock mode.
ace5198 said:
I usually just plug it in
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Bahaha. Here, I use my Galaxy Tab charger. Goes a lot faster because of the higher amperage, plus I don't need to charge my Tab very often.
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When I connect my P6200 using usb, it doesn't charge, instead, there is an 'x' symbol at the battery. Is this normal? Because using my Galaxy Ace, it charges when usb is connected. I'm asking this because I'm trying usb tether for the first time, but in this case if it doesn't charge, it means that I can only usb tether until my battery has depleted and I would have to recharge again to be able to tether.
Yup. Usb is not able to charge tab and ipad. Need to plug to wall for charging
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Actually it does charge. More of a trickle charge tho. If the screen is off, then it will trickle charge a bit faster.
If the tab is connected via USB, will it at least be able to sustain itself via the USB power?
So if your battery is on 50%, and you keep the tablet on and are using it. Will it at least stay on 50% and not decrease slowly?
Samsung puts a resistor in their chargers so the tablet can distinguish between a Samsung brand charger and all other chargers.
The tablet will not charge (or use power from) any USB port except the wall adapter. (lame Samsung... really lame...)
You can buy adapters (or make them)
There's more info for creating an adapter yourself in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=845844
Just like the GT-P1000, P6200 is charging over the usb port of any pc, only when it is turned off. But anyway the charging process is much longer. Very useful when you don't heave the travel adapter with you.
i use this usb cable it work
It pulls a Max of 500mA from the USB or unknown charger. This will charge a tab plus with the screen off that isn't doing much. It will pull 1500mA from the Samsung wall charger.
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My Plus charges normally from PC via USB. Icon shows 'x', but still in charging process anyway. It takes longer time but for those who tether should be ok and Plus should stay at least on the same level of %. I have unoriginal cable bought together with car charger.
I purchased a micro USB charger adapter from ebay. It just plugs into the 30 pin port and I am able to use my cell phone charger with no problem at all. The cell charger puts out 1000ma and the tab plus recognizes it. Do a search for P6200 Micro USB Charger Adapter on ebay.
If you are determined to use a computer to charge the tab plus, you will need the adapter above and a dual USB A to micro USB B Y cable. It will plug into two USB ports on the computer and give you the 1000ma to charge the tab plus. This is the best solution without having power cables all over your desk.
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HEllo, where can I buy this cable?
thanks
cedricl said:
I purchased a micro USB charger adapter from ebay. It just plugs into the 30 pin port and I am able to use my cell phone charger with no problem at all. The cell charger puts out 1000ma and the tab plus recognizes it. Do a search for P6200 Micro USB Charger Adapter on ebay.
If you are determined to use a computer to charge the tab plus, you will need the adapter above and a dual USB A to micro USB B Y cable. It will plug into two USB ports on the computer and give you the 1000ma to charge the tab plus. This is the best solution without having power cables all over your desk.
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Turn off your tablet... Only then its charging
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i just got this adapter from dealextreme for the p1000. it works perfectly fine for the p6200. i got my 2.1A charger to work and can charge of via USB port.
Thanks
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or you can make it charge by requesting this feature in a custom kernel
Thanks
Yesterday I bought P6200 without charger, was using usb cable and it ws slow.
First I thought there might be some problems but this post helped me figure the cause