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After a S2, Note 2, Note 3 and now a Galaxy S6 I didnt expect this.
My S6 after boot use more than 1.2 GB of System RAM which is simply insane compared to my Note 3 on stock Samsung lollipop or any other Android phone.
My applications get booted out of RAM all the time, Is this a problem with 920F or all variants of S6?
Simply unacceptable on a flagship device with 3 GB RAM.
Thanks for taking time to reply
Every phone i've owned has done this to some extent especially Samsung phones. Don't expect and you won't be let down. Don't expect a fix any time soon as all the phones you listed behave in the same manner (except they're slower)
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Every phone i've owned has done this to some extent especially Samsung phones. Don't expect and you won't be let down. Don't expect a fix any time soon as all the phones you listed behave in the same manner (except they're slower)
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Seriously, you for real? youre statement is simply not true at all.
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/07/27/samsung-galaxy-s6-gets-its-first-post-android-5-1-1-update/
according to the comments in that article there seem to be some improvement in RAM memory usage after that patch.
how do we check RAM? It's not in storage like it used to be....
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how do we check RAM? It's not in storage like it used to be....
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settings
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running
check System RAM usage
I think a little higher RAM doesn't effect liquidity.
It's all touchwiz it's just a resource hog. My s5 running fusion ROM 5.1.1 just flies and barely uses 800 MB RAM.
Well if ever cyanogenmod comes to S6 it's bye bye TouchWiz, I'm pretty happy with phone now except this RAM issue, using unikernel and performance governor on both a53 and A57.
However I am so tired of this Samsung software that always is supposed to be fixed and never is. Gonna check out Motorola Style and One Plus Two to see if the grass is greener on the other side.
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Well if ever cyanogenmod comes to S6 it's bye bye TouchWiz, I'm pretty happy with phone now except this RAM issue, using unikernel and performance governor on both a53 and A57.
However I am so tired of this Samsung software that always is supposed to be fixed and never is. Gonna check out Motorola Style and One Plus Two to see if the grass is greener on the other side.
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Check The New Motorola Moto X Pure Edition
maybe is best than galaxy s6
You're busy and don't have time to wait, which is why you need to stop reading this thread and get back to organizing your Pogs. Rate this thread to express how the Google Pixel XL performs when multitasking. A higher rating indicates that the Google Pixel XL keeps many apps in memory so that they don't need to reload, and that when moving between apps, transitions are smooth and performance is excellent.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Multitasking works great but I find split screen a bit hard on a 5.5 inch screen. Wish the phone was bigger.
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Multitasking works great but I find split screen a bit hard on a 5.5 inch screen. Wish the phone was bigger.
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The phone is plenty big... the screen needs to be bigger...
How does this have a 5 star rating? I can understand a 3 or 3.5, but really, 5? Every test I've ever run and every test on YouTube clearly shows the phone is terrible in utilizing memory correctly. Google needs to address this issue.
I think false ratings like this are hiding the fact that there is an issue and sadly the issue won't get addressed.
That was my take on it, there seems to be a lot of wasted space, especially on the bottom. It is bigger then Droid Turbo overall but the screen is only fractionally bigger.
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The phone is plenty big... the screen needs to be bigger...
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How does this have a 5 star rating? I can understand a 3 or 3.5, but really, 5? Every test I've ever run and every test on YouTube clearly shows the phone is terrible in utilizing memory correctly. Google needs to address this issue.
I think false ratings like this are hiding the fact that there is an issue and sadly the issue won't get addressed.
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You're too stuck on benchmarks and youtube videos. These ratings are based on real world scenarios. I would personally rate this section a 5 as I haven't had ANY multitasking issues with my xl.
I'm sorry, where did I get stuck on benchmarks? If anything I went specifically based on results and not on benchmarks at all.
I am going off of my own tests and YouTube tests as well which confirm my findings. The phone cannot maintain apps in memory, and restarts apps as if you're opening them for the first time. It doesn't do this with everything obviously, but overall it's not good.
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You're too stuck on benchmarks and youtube videos. These ratings are based on real world scenarios. I would personally rate this section a 5 as I haven't had ANY multitasking issues with my xl.
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I'm sorry, where did I get stuck on benchmarks? If anything I went specifically based on results and not on benchmarks at all.
I am going off of my own tests and YouTube tests as well which confirm my findings. The phone cannot maintain apps in memory, and restarts apps as if you're opening them for the first time. It doesn't do this with everything obviously, but overall it's not good.
I clearly specified that the phone DOESN'T UTILIZE MEMORY CORRECTLY, meaning benchmarks are there but software is not good.
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I'm sorry, where did I get stuck on benchmarks? If anything I went specifically based on results and not on benchmarks at all.
I am going off of my own tests and YouTube tests as well which confirm my findings. The phone cannot maintain apps in memory, and restarts apps as if you're opening them for the first time. It doesn't do this with everything obviously, but overall it's not good.
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I'm sorry, where did I get stuck on benchmarks? If anything I went specifically based on results and not on benchmarks at all.
I am going off of my own tests and YouTube tests as well which confirm my findings. The phone cannot maintain apps in memory, and restarts apps as if you're opening them for the first time. It doesn't do this with everything obviously, but overall it's not good.
I clearly specified that the phone DOESN'T UTILIZE MEMORY CORRECTLY, meaning benchmarks are there but software is not good.
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I heard this when I was on Samsung phones ("they are too aggressive and close apps frequently"), heard this on HTC phones, heard this when I got the LG V20... Apparently no one is ever happy with Android memory management. Which is funny because it's so much better than iPhone memory management.
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I heard this when I was on Samsung phones ("they are too aggressive and close apps frequently"), heard this on HTC phones, heard this when I got the LG V20... Apparently no one is ever happy with Android memory management. Which is funny because it's so much better than iPhone memory management.
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I think Apple has always had Android beaten on memory management. I've never seen software as efficient as iOS. Without going deep into it, one way you can clearly tell is the fact that to run Android smoothly you basically need double the benchmarks of an iPhone. iOS has been running on 1gb of RAM while Android phones running on 4 to 6, and still iOS beats them in memory management. iOS software is simply way better and way more efficient than Android. The way Android is built, it needs double the specs of iOS to run.
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I think Apple has always had Android beaten on memory management. I've never seen software as efficient as iOS. Without going deep into it, one way you can clearly tell is the fact that to run Android smoothly you basically need double the benchmarks of an iPhone. iOS has been running on 1gb of RAM while Android phones running on 4 to 6, and still iOS beats them in memory management. iOS software is simply way better and way more efficient than Android. The way Android is built, it needs double the specs of iOS to run.
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That's interesting. I think that may mean iOS is less memory-intensive, but I'm not sure they means it's better at memory management. I think of memory management more in regards to multi-tasking capabilities, which iOS is very bad at.
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I heard this when I was on Samsung phones ("they are too aggressive and close apps frequently"), heard this on HTC phones, heard this when I got the LG V20... Apparently no one is ever happy with Android memory management. Which is funny because it's so much better than iPhone memory management.
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That's interesting. I think that may mean iOS is less memory-intensive, but I'm not sure they means it's better at memory management. I think of memory management more in regards to multi-tasking capabilities, which iOS is very bad at.
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Yeah iOS really didn't have much multitasking until not too long ago,, now they're a lot better, but you're right I think iOS is definitely less memory intensive than Android. I don't think there is a reason to have 6gb RAM phones at the moment. I'm not sure there are any apps that require that much RAM. Optimization I think is terrible in Android, and that becomes much more apparent in Samsung phones.
Phones like the oneplus3 and mate 9 beat the iPhone for multitasking smoothness etc but I agree most of them is horrible
I think this one really depends on how you use the phone. If you use it for business type applications like I do then you will find it extremely fast and a great multitasker. But if you play a lot of games it really does not do a great job. It does have to reload games from the start much more often. Thankfully I don't play many of those sorts of games.
I understood
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You're busy and don't have time to wait, which is why you need to stop reading this thread and get back to organizing your Pogs. Rate this thread to express how the Google Pixel XL performs when multitasking. A higher rating indicates that the Google Pixel XL keeps many apps in memory so that they don't need to reload, and that when moving between apps, transitions are smooth and performance is excellent.
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I don't have a pixel XL but I can tell you that there's a difference between 6gb and 4 gb of RAM on Android . I have 4 phones 2 of them have 6gb o ram and I made a lot of test and definitely 6gb of RAM make some differences.
That's the fault of the poor ram management on Android .
6 gb of ram +/- 22 app opened and always smooth
4 gb of ram +/- 12 app opened and smooth but sometimes we have reloads I have the impression that's a lil bit short.
PS: cm based rom whit 6 gb of ram is the best to multitask, I can have almost 30 apps opened
Sent from my ZTE ZTE A2017G using XDA Labs
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I think Apple has always had Android beaten on memory management. I've never seen software as efficient as iOS. Without going deep into it, one way you can clearly tell is the fact that to run Android smoothly you basically need double the benchmarks of an iPhone. iOS has been running on 1gb of RAM while Android phones running on 4 to 6, and still iOS beats them in memory management. iOS software is simply way better and way more efficient than Android. The way Android is built, it needs double the specs of iOS to run.
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iOS is not as open as Android. Apple works most of the time on R&D of their smartphone. Apple uses more optimization
On its app by decreasing features. As android is open source
And the work done on its optimization are vary from OEM to OEM. Anyone can develop and install any app with bug or not bugs. Any manufacturer can flash their own UI. Thats why apple ios beats Android.
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iOS is not as open as Android. Apple works most of the time on R&D of their smartphone. Apple uses more optimization
On its app by decreasing features. As android is open source
And the work done on its optimization are vary from OEM to OEM. Anyone can develop and install any app with bug or not bugs. Any manufacturer can flash their own UI. Thats why apple ios beats Android.
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Yes and no. I fully understand that opportunities for issues when releasing open source software and that's a whole other issue. The problem that I have is that Android has never been run the way it is running on the Pixel today. According to google, Android has never run as smoothly as it runs on the pixel. Again this is finally software and hardware put together by one team. The problem is that even as pure as Android is on the Pixel, it still lags behind iOS. Horrible memory management, still lagging, and now has somehow turned into a Samsung phones which include features that don't work all the time, don't work correctly, and are not reliable. Double tap to wake works only when it wants to, scrolling through letters while swiping the spacebar is just not smooth to the point you end up stop using it. I'm not even an iPhone user, and I don't think I ever will be, but I'm disappointed with the pixel now that Google had full control more than ever. From hardware to software just feels like it's Google's first attempt at being involved with smartphones, even though they've been running the nexus lineup for 6 years now.
I can't recommend the pixel, by all means get the one plus 3t if you're reading this.
I think the phone/OS handles multitasking/RAM just fine. Google has outlined in developer documents how they do it, and aside from some behavior I noticed in beta, it does what it was designed to do, well. I think it (Android 7.x) clears apps from memory a bit too early (as a measure of time, not system demand), but again, that was an intentional move by Google to address clutter for the end-user, IIRC.
But measuring multitasking and performance also depends on how well any individual app was coded. I'd argue the efficiency of any particular app probably has more bearing on how well it plays with the device, and other apps, as opposed to the phone, itself.
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That's interesting. I think that may mean iOS is less memory-intensive, but I'm not sure they means it's better at memory management. I think of memory management more in regards to multi-tasking capabilities, which iOS is very bad at.
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IOS has no split screen! Wait they might introduce it as innovation in a couple of years!
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IOS has no split screen! Wait they might introduce it as innovation in a couple of years!
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They have. Try searching for it. Not on iPhone but on iPad. But I remember it came after some one did on Android
Hey Guys , so after selling my Xiaomi Redmi 2 a week back I was looking for a new phone with great community support. I am getting the used Nexus 5 (32GB) for around 80$ in my country India. So my question is the device still worth it ?
How is the battery life , camera (both front and back) and gaming performance with nougat roms ? Can I get the camera samples ?
Thanks in advanced.
I believe the new Pixel camera wont function on the N5 due to some technical difficulties and hardware limitations, and the Nougat ROMs are all ports since there was no official release for the N5, which has a limitation regarding CDMA, I.E. - Sprint and Sprint MVNOs will NOT work on any of the Android 7 ROMs. As for battery life, the N5 was never known to be very good in this department, although many custom kernels address this issue, amd as far as the N5 rear camera, lets just say it was always said that it could have been better, and now, 4 years after the release of the N5, it is definitely obsolete. But the N5 was a phone aimed to give flagship performance at a bargain price, so corners HAD to be cut in places... No SD card is one more such area. My thoughts are this.... It has a Snapdragon 800, 2Gb RAM, and either 16 or 32Gb memory... These 3 facts are the biggies, and the N5 STILL outperforms almost ALL bargain phones today. Just the processor alone makes it worth the money, as well as the cordless charging, unlocked BL, and MultiROM custom recovery. One last thing though, the N5 was made back when the OS was less than 1Gb, much less, so you could install lots of system apps, the current Android 7 OS is barely under 1Gb WITHOUT any of the bigger GAPPS zips. The N5 is capped at 1Gb for your OS files, sooooo, you wont be able to flash an OS/GAPPS that is over 1Gb in size, you might want to take that into consideration before you buy a phone which still outperforms most new non-flagship devices, but is nontheless still obsolete. Good luck, hope this helped.
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I believe the new Pixel camera wont function on the N5 due to some technical difficulties and hardware limitations, and the Nougat ROMs are all ports since there was no official release for the N5, which has a limitation regarding CDMA, I.E. - Sprint and Sprint MVNOs will NOT work on any of the Android 7 ROMs. As for battery life, the N5 was never known to be very good in this department, although many custom kernels address this issue, amd as far as the N5 rear camera, lets just say it was always said that it could have been better, and now, 4 years after the release of the N5, it is definitely obsolete. But the N5 was a phone aimed to give flagship performance at a bargain price, so corners HAD to be cut in places... No SD card is one more such area. My thoughts are this.... It has a Snapdragon 800, 2Gb RAM, and either 16 or 32Gb memory... These 3 facts are the biggies, and the N5 STILL outperforms almost ALL bargain phones today. Just the processor alone makes it worth the money, as well as the cordless charging, unlocked BL, and MultiROM custom recovery. One last thing though, the N5 was made back when the OS was less than 1Gb, much less, so you could install lots of system apps, the current Android 7 OS is barely under 1Gb WITHOUT any of the bigger GAPPS zips. The N5 is capped at 1Gb for your OS files, sooooo, you wont be able to flash an OS/GAPPS that is over 1Gb in size, you might want to take that into consideration before you buy a phone which still outperforms most new non-flagship devices, but is nontheless still obsolete. Good luck, hope this helped.
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Thanx for your reply mate.
i will say go for it.. The only thing i had against the phone was its battery.. in the stock os, battery life is terrible.. But since flashing the unofficial hammerhead caf lineage os by phoval, i hav started loving the phone again coz the battery life has become manageable.. i plan to keep it atleast till 2019.. @Battlecreed5
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i will say go for it.. The only thing i had against the phone was its battery.. in the stock os, battery life is terrible.. But since flashing the unofficial hammerhead caf lineage os by phoval, i hav started loving the phone again coz the battery life has become manageable.. i plan to keep it atleast till 2019.. @Battlecreed5
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I'm a long time user but getting really annoyed with the worsening battery life. Where can I find out more about unofficial hammerhead caf roms and how to install them. Does it allow using Xposed?
Switched on My N5 after a long time. It still runs smoother & faster than some of my 2016 mid-range devices. I'm loving the performance:victory:. For me the only con is it's camera(Lol I didn't bought N5 for camera) & battery backup (managing somehow):silly: The device is good but you can get better devices than this at this time!!:highfive:
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i will say go for it.. The only thing i had against the phone was its battery.. in the stock os, battery life is terrible.. But since flashing the unofficial hammerhead caf lineage os by phoval, i hav started loving the phone again coz the battery life has become manageable.. i plan to keep it atleast till 2019.. @Battlecreed5
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Agreed, changing to a battery conservative ROM will help, as will a custom kernel. Unfortunately I made too many performance enhancements with Ex Kernel, like over clocking the CPU from 2.2 to 2.3, which negated any battery saving settings. Now I just Fast Charge it and let Ex Kernel do its thing in Battery Saver mode when it gets low.
I just did the same thing - last month I bought a N5 for dirt cheap and it runs great. I just yesterday put PureNexus ROM on it so that I can have 7.1.1. I am amazed at how smoothly it runs. While it will not replace my N6 as my daily driver, it is a more than capable phone still.
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I just did the same thing - last month I bought a N5 for dirt cheap and it runs great. I just yesterday put PureNexus ROM on it so that I can have 7.1.1. I am amazed at how smoothly it runs. While it will not replace my N6 as my daily driver, it is a more than capable phone still.
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Please help me out. I have a rooted nexus 5 running stock 5.1.1 but I have no experience with other roms. Where do I find them? PureNexus ROM and others.
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Please help me out. I have a rooted nexus 5 running stock 5.1.1 but I have no experience with other roms. Where do I find them? PureNexus ROM and others.
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Deep inhale....
Ok, here we go. The Nexus 5 Android Development section of the forums is the best source of information for that. Here you will find popular original ROMs like PureNexus, Resurrection Remix, Nitrogen OS, and more. As to which one to use, that is kind of a personal preference. Each ROM offers a unique experience.
Additionally, more ROMs can be found in the Nexus 5 Original Android Development section of the forums. Here you will find ROMs based on other ROMs, primarily stock-like ROMs like LineageOS (previously Cyanogenmod), as well as custom recoveries and kernels.
You can also stick with stock, 6.0.1 is available directly from Google - it is a nice upgrade over your 5.1.1 stock setup.
If you are unfamiliar with flashing ROMs, might I suggest starting with this guide on how to unlock your bootloader (which you probably have already done since you have root), how to install a custom recovery like TWRP. Once this is done, you are open to the world of customization.
Please let me know if I can be of any more help.
Deep exhale....
Thank you. That's what I needed. Where I should go to find out more.
I'm already rooted. Just have not tried other roms.
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Thank you. That's what I needed. Where I should go to find out more.
I'm already rooted. Just have not tried other roms.
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Visit each ROMs thread. Watch YouTube reviews. Or just flash some for yourself and try different ones out. I loved cyanogenmod nut haven't tried out LineageOS yet. I'm on PureNexus on this N5 I am currently using because a lot of people on XDA recommended it.
What kind of thing now are you looking for in a ROM?
Something that would give me more battery life and yet be stable. I also use xposed which may be a hindrance as it only works with pure stock Android.
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Something that would give me more battery life and yet be stable. I also use xposed which may be a hindrance as it only works with pure stock Android.
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As xposed is not currently available to Nougat, you'll probably be best sticking with a Marshmallow based ROM, maybe even stock.
I can tell you that a ROM like Pure Nexus has a lot of features built into the ROM similar to what many modules from xposed offer - for me, it is a no brainer to have the text in place of a battery icon in the status bar. Also, Nougat has a restart built-in to the ROM, so that solves the other problem I had with stock Android. Just give it a whirl!
Google Pixel 6 leak shows off distinctive new design
Besides the all-new Google "Whitechapel" SoC, it's reportedly getting a new design.
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Surprised no one's posted about it yet. I think it's sharp-looking but the Samsung influence is troubling.
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Google Pixel 6 leak shows off distinctive new design
Besides the all-new Google "Whitechapel" SoC, it's reportedly getting a new design.
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Surprised no one's posted about it yet. I think it's sharp-looking but the Samsung influence is troubling.
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It looks promising, I got bored of all identical looking other devices. This camera bar reminds me of the Nexus 6P a bit. And the Android 12 design overall looks also very promising! Just the fact that it look different of the others is enough to my hype. Seriously, the more years passes, the less OEMs try to impress us, and just leave us with one damn identical form factor, pretty similar feature, etc...
I hope google is going to make this phone different.
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Google Pixel 6 leak shows off distinctive new design
Besides the all-new Google "Whitechapel" SoC, it's reportedly getting a new design.
arstechnica.com
Surprised no one's posted about it yet. I think it's sharp-looking but the Samsung influence is troubling.
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And DAAAAMMMN did you see that ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
This A12 looks really good to my eyes!
HipKat said:
Google Pixel 6 leak shows off distinctive new design
Besides the all-new Google "Whitechapel" SoC, it's reportedly getting a new design.
arstechnica.com
Surprised no one's posted about it yet. I think it's sharp-looking but the Samsung influence is troubling.
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Their a lot of changes in android 12 I hope apps and games will still work on Android 12 asking because a tons of apps and games no longer work since android 11 because of what they did to android/data folder was the target of the apps so since we can no longer get access to android data since android 11 a tons of apps like dolphin emulator no longer work and in terraria we can no longer install maps and characters since that's located in android data too so hopefully android 12 doesn't make even more apps and games into no longer working
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It looks promising, I got bored of all identical looking other devices. This camera bar reminds me of the Nexus 6P a bit. And the Android 12 design overall looks also very promising! Just the fact that it look different of the others is enough to my hype. Seriously, the more years passes, the less OEMs try to impress us, and just leave us with one damn identical form factor, pretty similar feature, etc...
I hope google is going to make this phone different.
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Agreed. I haven't been excited about a new device since the Nexus 6 probably. @Raiz and @Austinredstoner Android 12 is also a much-needed overhaul. The last few versions have been underwhelming.
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Their a lot of changes in android 12 I hope apps and games will still work on Android 12 asking because a tons of apps and games no longer work since android 11 because of what they did to android/data folder was the target of the apps so since we can no longer get access to android data since android 11 a tons of apps like dolphin emulator no longer work and in terraria we can no longer install maps and characters since that's located in android data too so hopefully android 12 doesn't make even more apps and games into no longer working
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Are you talking about /data/data or /storage/emulated/0/android/data ?
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Are you talking about /data/data or /storage/emulated/0/android/data ?
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Damn, you're right, I hadn't even noticed!
That's a shame
is it 100% leak of Pixel 6, because it is first mobile that has screen on both side over all the design look good. OlehanaFrance
@HipKat did you see that wild I/O ! That Material You thing surely got my excitement !
I finally have a good reason to flash a ROM now, because if I understood correctly that's a pixel feature
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@HipKat did you see that wild I/O ! That Material You thing surely got my excitement !
I finally have a good reason to flash a ROM now, because if I understood correctly that's a pixel feature
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I did and I think for the first time since the Nexus 6, I'll be buying it outright instead of making payments just so I CAN root it. Been too long since I've been active in the dev community and this looks like a great phone to come back with
So I'm currently used a Note 20 ultra n985f/ds which was previously a Live demo unit but now fully functional on android 10
hI'd appreciate guidelines to upgrade to android 12? . My csc is OXM WWD... looking forward to your help
Also I'd like to know which is better, should I just change my csc so I can receive the push for update via OTA or just follow a guideline for flashing with Odin, thanks in advance
I'd do some research first. Scoped storage and forced encryption are fully active on 11 and 12, not so on 10. It will puke on trusted legacy apps.
Google blames the developers but the bottom line is nothing but trouble. Developers come and go; let's face no one's going to be a beast of burden when there's better things to do.
So far there's been more than a few who went to 12 and want out.
I have two Note 10+'s, one running on Pie, the other 10. The look and run nearly identically except the Q variant has dozens of new small Samsung system apks. Samsung went to great lengths to maintain to UI.
However it runs very well.
That said since both run well, neither will be upgraded. Pie has some advantages over Q; Q may run slightly stronger. Security is not an issue; my current load on the Pie variant will be 2 yo in June with minimal maintenance. It's still snappy and stable.
Rule #1 if an OS is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission, let it be. If the 12 upgrade will fix bad display or 5G issues on the N20U that might be justification. It could do just the opposite.
Otherwise it may turn out to be just another load of Google hogwash.
A wait and see approach would probably serve you best.
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I'd do some research first. Scoped storage and forced encryption are fully active on 11 and 12, not so on 10. It will puke on trusted legacy apps.
Google blames the developers but the bottom line is nothing but trouble. Developers come and go; let's face no one's going to be a beast of burden when there's better things to do.
So far there's been more than a few who went to 12 and want out.
I have two Note 10+'s, one running on Pie, the other 10. The look and run nearly identically except the Q variant has dozens of new small Samsung system apks. Samsung went to great lengths to maintain to UI.
However it runs very well.
That said since both run well, neither will be upgraded. Pie has some advantages over Q; Q may run slightly stronger. Security is not an issue; my current load on the Pie variant will be 2 yo in June with minimal maintenance. It's still snappy and stable.
Rule #1 if an OS is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission, let it be. If the 12 upgrade will fix bad display or 5G issues on the N20U that might be justification. It could do just the opposite.
Otherwise it may turn out to be just another load of Google hogwash.
A wait and see approach would probably serve you best.
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Thanks for your contribution and thoughts, looking forward to that of others as well
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Thanks for your contribution and thoughts, looking forward to that of others as well
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As more upgrade to 12 you'll get the most reliable reviews on various forums. These are users that don't get perks or kickbacks.
There are too many glowing reviews for turds already...