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Hi everybody,
i've been reading a lot about the gtablet the last couple of days, and i've got a general view of what the device is and what it is not. I'm comfortable with installing custom ROMs and apk and fiddeling with the system to get the device in a working state.
The only problem that i have is that i like to have such devices in my hands to play around with them before i would buy it. Since i'm from Belgium, it's nigh impossible to get my hands on one. So i'm asking anybody who already has a gtablet ( and got rid of the horrid stock software), what they think of the device in terms of lag / responsiveness and general use. Is it a good replacement for the couch-laptop? I've only played around with an iPad, how does it stack up against that in performance / use?
Also, does anybody have any info on the best ways to ship one from the USA, or a distributor in Europe? Amazon charges a big buck for shipping and taxes, it would take 400€ to get it here. Any info on good european deals would be eternally praised
Thanks for reading!
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Hi everybody,
i've been reading a lot about the gtablet the last couple of days, and i've got a general view of what the device is and what it is not. I'm comfortable with installing custom ROMs and apk and fiddeling with the system to get the device in a working state.
The only problem that i have is that i like to have such devices in my hands to play around with them before i would buy it. Since i'm from Belgium, it's nigh impossible to get my hands on one. So i'm asking anybody who already has a gtablet ( and got rid of the horrid stock software), what they think of the device in terms of lag / responsiveness and general use. Is it a good replacement for the couch-laptop? I've only played around with an iPad, how does it stack up against that in performance / use?
Also, does anybody have any info on the best ways to ship one from the USA, or a distributor in Europe? Amazon charges a big buck for shipping and taxes, it would take 400€ to get it here. Any info on good european deals would be eternally praised
Thanks for reading!
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Unless you want to try eBay, I think the amazon deal is the best you're gonna get, I'm in Canada and had to order from Amazon as well since Viewsonic is not selling this outside of the US, you can try getting a Malata Zpad which is essentially the same thing, but from what Iv'e seen those are going for $599US. There are also a few more companies that are also releasing the same tablet under different names, you mgiht want to google that.
The GTablet is definitely responsive. I was very surprised about how much faster it runs than my phone. I've played with the iPad and this is just as zippy...
As far as replacing the laptop...I would say no. We use the GTab for websurfing, games, ebooks, email, videos and streaming TV. If I need to type a lot, I head for the laptop and a real keyboard.
Overall, I'm VERY happy with the GTab. It's a GREAT device and I would def recommend getting one.
ima_UNC_fan said:
The GTablet is definitely responsive. I was very surprised about how much faster it runs than my phone. I've played with the iPad and this is just as zippy...
As far as replacing the laptop...I would say no. We use the GTab for websurfing, games, ebooks, email, videos and streaming TV. If I need to type a lot, I head for the laptop and a real keyboard.
Overall, I'm VERY happy with the GTab. It's a GREAT device and I would def recommend getting one.
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+1 once I applied the touchscreen calibration and TnT Lite 2.4!
Hi there,
I do not own this phone, but the Compact version, however I have tried both models extensively. I have been VERY pleased with the phones, but when I started playing PUBG Mobile I detected something odd, that avoided me to aim properly, sometimes the touchscreen wouldn't track the touches when they are very slow or precise.
I could try this in the XZ2 (not Compact) as well, and there's definitely a problem with the screen sensitivity, I'm not sure how to define it, but it feels like a dead zone that moves with your finger. The phone will not detect small movements, kind of a precision problem. The tracking is just not good enough.
I have a video and pictures to demonstrate the issue, comparing the sensibility to my other phone (Galaxy S8):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc55o-36uC4&feature=youtu.be
And a picture:
https://imgur.com/a/LIzyV
I'm returning the phone, and I'll buy again if Sony fixes this via software (I hope they will!). I will gladly replace my S8 with this XZ2 Compact if we ignore this problem.
Comments are welcome.
Same problem with my XZ2 there's a dead zone easily noticeable when doing smalls movements on the touchscreen. FPS games are unplayables.
There's also huge imput lag like 150ms +
I will keep my XZ2 because I'm very pleased with it and I don't play games but I do not recommand this phone for gamers.
I hope it's software issue
Seb122 said:
Same problem with my XZ2 there's a dead zone easily noticeable when doing smalls movements on the touchscreen. FPS games are unplayables.
There's also huge imput lag like 150ms +
I will keep my XZ2 because I'm very pleased with it and I don't play games but I do not recommand this phone for gamers.
I hope it's software issue
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Have you tried to contact Sony support? I'm a bit frustrated, they told me to apply whatever update there is, perform a factory reset, run the device diagnostics, and if the problem persists, that means it is hardware and I should contact local support to get it repaired or exchanged. They closed my support ticket after giving that response, without waiting for my response.
They obviously didn't understand or care about the issue here. The screen diagnostics test is passed, but the issue is still there.
I don't know what to provide in order to get somebody from Sony support look at the case and evaluate escalating the ticket to whatever team that handles bugs.
This is oreo problem actually. I'm surprised not many people realize this. I'm a YouTube tech reviewer and tested many phones. So far I've encountered this problem on oneplus 5t, Huawei p20 pro, and now xz2 all on oreo.
Oreo running phones that are free from this problem is s9, mi mix 2s, pixel 2 xl (though it has multi touch problem)
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This is oreo problem actually. I'm surprised not many people realize this. I'm a YouTube tech reviewer and tested many phones. So far I've encountered this problem on oneplus 5t, Huawei p20 pro, and now xz2 all on oreo.
Oreo running phones that are free from this problem is s9, mi mix 2s, pixel 2 xl (though it has multi touch problem)
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So do you think this could be a software problem? If that's the case this may be solved with software update.
Has someone contacted and received an oficial comfirmation from oneplus, Huawei or Sony that they are aware of the problem? If it happens only on oreo maybe someone with technical knowledge can ask on google android forums.
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This is oreo problem actually. I'm surprised not many people realize this. I'm a YouTube tech reviewer and tested many phones. So far I've encountered this problem on oneplus 5t, Huawei p20 pro, and now xz2 all on oreo.
Oreo running phones that are free from this problem is s9, mi mix 2s, pixel 2 xl (though it has multi touch problem)
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I have to admit when I saw your post I thought you were confusing this problem with some input lag or delay, and was very skeptic about your opinion. My apologies, because in the afternoon I went to some tech store and confirmed what you said, you're totally right. As you mentioned, I don't understand how is not everybody talking about this! Hawei P20 = same issue, Nokia phones = same issue (but maybe less pronounced). Only Samsung, Xiaomi and LG phones were free from it.
Then I went home and started googling, and people complained about similar things on the Pixels before the 8.1 update, and in the essential phone before the 8.1, etc. so basically in those phone that have "cleaner" android or closer to AOSP. Google messed up something in 8.0, ***probably*** fixed it in 8.1, but introduced the infamous multitouch issue instead.
The puzzling thing is that the previous generation, the XZ1, doesn't have this problem. Also came out with Oreo already.
Please let us know what is the name of your YouTube channel, you earned a lot of credibility for me with a single post
Although i'm very grateful for the explanation and trying to believe it, some things don't match together.
First i have to say that also my not yet mentioned U11 does not suffer from this problem.
I also tried the honor 9 some months ago and that device had similar issues (but worse) on Android 7 and 8, no difference.
Saying that 8.1 might solve it - don't you think there is a way the manufacturers COULD do it themselves before?
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Although i'm very grateful for the explanation and trying to believe it, some things don't match together.
First i have to say that also my not yet mentioned U11 does not suffer from this problem.
I also tried the honor 9 some months ago and that device had similar issues (but worse) on Android 7 and 8, no difference.
Saying that 8.1 might solve it - don't you think there is a way the manufacturers COULD do it themselves before?
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You're totally right. The assumption here is that the error originated in AOSP but can be fixed by manufacturers as well, not only by Google.
Or maybe we are taking the wrong approach and it's exclusive to digitizers produced by certain manufacturer, like Synaptics, goodix, etc.
All in all, we can be 90% certain that it's a software thing. Potentially connected to some hardware choices from manufacturers, but almost definitely fixable by software, if they put the effort.
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I have to admit when I saw your post I thought you were confusing this problem with some input lag or delay, and was very skeptic about your opinion. My apologies, because in the afternoon I went to some tech store and confirmed what you said, you're totally right. As you mentioned, I don't understand how is not everybody talking about this! Hawei P20 = same issue, Nokia phones = same issue (but maybe less pronounced). Only Samsung, Xiaomi and LG phones were free from it.
Then I went home and started googling, and people complained about similar things on the Pixels before the 8.1 update, and in the essential phone before the 8.1, etc. so basically in those phone that have "cleaner" android or closer to AOSP. Google messed up something in 8.0, ***probably*** fixed it in 8.1, but introduced the infamous multitouch issue instead.
The puzzling thing is that the previous generation, the XZ1, doesn't have this problem. Also came out with Oreo already.
Please let us know what is the name of your YouTube channel, you earned a lot of credibility for me with a single post
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K2 gadgets is my YouTube channel but it is in Indonesian lol..
My wife's u11 on 8.0 suffers from this problem, but its not as pronounced. I can only experience it if I track REALLY slow and accurate, then the sudden jump in movement can be seen. not as pronounced as in the xz2.
The fact is that when we use touchscreen tester app, it detects instantly our finger touching the screen, but not detecting incremental movement after that. So I think it is not touchscreen lag. I think it's a matter of software problem, most likely a Google screw up. A driver/preference file such as this one https://www.xda-developers.com/fix-multi-touch-bug-google-pixel-2-xl-android-oreo/ may fix the whole thing.
It is like the phone intentionally disregarding slight movements on the screen as accidental swipes.
Why on earth this problem is not well known since it is happening in a lot of phones? I guess not many people move their fingers in such ways as avid fps gamers :laugh:
I have this problem too. Can't properly play Street Fighter IV CE. After 51.1.A.3.159 firmware update situation is much better but not 100% good.
Allesa said:
K2 gadgets is my YouTube channel but it is in Indonesian lol..
My wife's u11 on 8.0 suffers from this problem, but its not as pronounced. I can only experience it if I track REALLY slow and accurate, then the sudden jump in movement can be seen. not as pronounced as in the xz2.
The fact is that when we use touchscreen tester app, it detects instantly our finger touching the screen, but not detecting incremental movement after that. So I think it is not touchscreen lag. I think it's a matter of software problem, most likely a Google screw up. A driver/preference file such as this one https://www.xda-developers.com/fix-multi-touch-bug-google-pixel-2-xl-android-oreo/ may fix the whole thing.
It is like the phone intentionally disregarding slight movements on the screen as accidental swipes.
Why on earth this problem is not well known since it is happening in a lot of phones? I guess not many people move their fingers in such ways as avid fps gamers :laugh:
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I remember in the old Galaxy S2 and the likes days, had the same annoying issue.
There was an App back then that resolved the issue completely - https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga.../ref-solving-touchscreen-sensitivity-t1161262
From what I gather, the minimum threshold to register a movement is there to allow convenient "Long Press". Long press is not triggered if the user for example is scrolling through home screens, so they added the threshold. If you ask me, long press should not be part of any touch os as it slows stuff down. Apple resolved it with Force touch.... (I hate apple and iOS)
On my HTC U11 i suffer the same issues, but I don't game much so I have not tried to fix it.
Also I have not tried but, maybe you should : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=apps.redpi.touchscreenrepair&hl=en
I tried touchscreen repair app but nothing changed after calibration... I doubt about this app, it seems to be fake. How does it work to modify touchscreen attributes without root acces ?
Same here
According to this thread, the value is set by the vendor and overriding a default one set to 8dip compared to 20dip in our device. In other words ACTION_MOVE event is not generated before the touch point travels the distance value in any direction. Might be wrong, though.
I also get the issues in my XZ2
I can't write fast with my keyboard.
Keystrokes are getting lost.
Here is your fix.
https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/70344455
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-2-xl/how-to/fix-touch-screen-issue-t3723717
kekistaneerefugee said:
Here is your fix.
https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/70344455
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-2-xl/how-to/fix-touch-screen-issue-t3723717
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Thank you, but I need twrp or root to do this.
We don't have twrp and rooting/unlocking will kill our drm keys.
I'm not using much apps/games that requires precision, so I haven't noticed this. The only issue I had with the touchscreen of my device (XZ2c) was selecting the radio button for the APN selection of Network management settings, that required high precision, too much for such a basic action.
Has anyone tried to enable Glove mode ? It's supposed to increase sensitivity, so it might help until a better fix is found. Or actually be worse, if the phone considers "bigger fingers" and increases the dead zone.
Glove mode doesn't change the existant dead zone, was one of the first things that i tried with my xz2 compact.
Btw i got a small update (0,7mb) today but no idea what it's for. Same security level (1. April) and no change in the touchscreen behaviour.
Anyone tried the Android P beta for the XZ2 whether did they fix it?
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Anyone tried the Android P beta for the XZ2 whether did they fix it?
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I see the Android P beta thread is getting some activity, so we would be grateful if somebody paid attention to this. Thanks in advance to whoever will test it!
Really confused by the brief and uninformative descriptions.
I'm looking for a tablet with a good AMOLED screen to read manga and watch Youtube and Netflix on. Nothing particularly demanding.
Pretty sure I don't want the new 12.6 since I want it smaller for one-handed reading.
Are just the SoCs different between the $240-250ish 730/750 models and the $400 870s? Or is everything very different and these are two generations?
Also, is global firmware the one to go for to get Google Play and 5ghz Wifi (my home setup is a 3-piece Tenda Nova)? Heard something about wifi issues on the Chinese/English ROM
What I'm looking for is AMOLED + minimal screwing about to get it up and running. In all honesty I probably would have gone with Samsung if not for their crazy supply chain issues - I've had the S7+ in cart for at least 2 sales only for it to go out of stock before I could complete the transaction, and frankly don't want to pay full $699 to settle for a tablet larger than what I wanted after that... kept looking for Amoled S5/S6 models but they're all refurbs only now.
Lenovo looked cool...but sooo confusing.
Please advise.
PS i don't care about updates and in fact find the very idea of OTA updates an offensive infringement of my consumer rights. As long as Netflix, Youtube, and Tachiyomi or something like it run fine, I'm good with that, and would actually prefer something immune to involuntary system updates
Honestly there are issues with all of the Chinese tablets in one way or another.
I have the 2021 11" Xiaoxin and it's working well right now. There are others who have lost their L1 Widevine out of nowhere.
The WiFi issue is real and affects most people. You have to physically change the region of your router to Hong Kong or China to allow for full 5ghz WiFi. Its not ideal but does fix the issue without affecting other devices.
If you go on Holiday you may run into the same issue though?
Screen wise at first I had quite a downer on the OLED (note it is not an AMOLED e.g Samsung Brand on the 2021) as it has really bad dirty screen effect on dark grey. I am using justplayer and there was actually a bug where on HDR content the brightness would change after a few seconds and make the image look junk. It turns out if I set the screen to 60hz the issue goes away and the images look decent. (the dirty screen affect is still apparent, especially at low brightness. This website in particular shows it).
Due to the pixel arrangement I do find sometimes images /video/text particular reds can look a bit grainy.
I had a 12.6 for a time until I flashed the global firmware and fooked it. It had software issues I believe have since been fixed.
It was a much much better screen (Samsung E4 AMOLED) and speakers. It also had Dolby Vision Certification for netflix. The WiFi issue was still present.
If you were tempted to get the Samsung I'd ether wait or get the 12.6. If you look at them side by side they are nearly the same size. The Lenovo has a brighter screen.
The above is my experience so far. Tbh I find it difficult to recommend lenovo. I'm pretty pissed off with them right now for their buggy OS and unwillingness to provide Chinese ROM's to restore our tables like is a available in the Global Lenovo recovery software.
Hi guys, I just have a few questions about my unit. I recently bought a Note 20 ultra US version via Lazada mall from a supplier in China. They're supposedly selling brand new units and since it's categorized as a lazmall seller I took the chance. But somehow when I got the phone I'm starting to have doubts if my unit is brand new or worse a fake. I just have a few questions on how I can verify it's authenticity. Ive read that you can confirm via rtn but can't seem to find a code that works. And added reasons why I fear I got a refurbished unit is cause some animations are not so smooth. Like when I type on my keyboard there's some delay. My 3 year old s10+ does seem to have smoother animation. And when I charge, theres a running 4 red dot that appears on top of my phone while it's on locked mode. And I haven't seen it once get a 5g connection too. Hope someone can help me answer those questions.
Would connecting to Odin shed any light? If it's not a samsung phone, I wouldn't think Odin would recognize it?
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Would connecting to Odin shed any light? If it's not a samsung phone, I wouldn't think Odin would recognize it?
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I'm sorry, I'm not that tech savvy. I've read of Odin but not particularly familiar enough to use it and I don't wanna twiddle with something specially software that I have no idea how to use.
I'm pretty sure it's a samsung phone I just wanna find out if it's a refurbished unit. Cause it would be such a shame that I paid for a brand new phone and was given a refurbished one.
You should be able to find the androids true features via a app.
I'd suggest going on YouTube and search for some generic term like
Checking if android is fake
Or even checking wish phones
I have seen some people who check that for legitimate android versions and even true imei serial codes.
Alot of fake phones change all that info to fake it.
Things like api level
Serial number
And true resolutions
I've checked the imei and it seems legit. I'm just having trouble to see if the unit is refurbished. And seems I can only find that out through rtn. And also noticed that while charging the unit the touch sensitivity becomes kinda wonky.
Hello i have a infiray px1 thermal smartphone that is not play protect certified and it is on gpogles lisyt of certifief devices any idea how i can get the device google certified or even a way i can get google apps on my phone? Ive tried downloading apks and some worked, my bigges problem is i would like to be able to update my phone from my google account. It runs android 11 and says operating system is x os 5. I bought brand new from aliexpress and i live in canada any help wpuld be hugely apreciated thx
Return phone and request refund: you got cheated!
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Return phone and request refund: you got cheated!
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What do you mean by cheated? Like scammed, or they sent with wrong software by accident? Like could the reason for this be becuase google products are banned in China? confused cuase i got it off aliexpress for a 1000$ the return request has been approved and free shipping back, but ive never really bought anything off ali express, would they honor the return do you know? I was hoping this would be an easy software fix but it's not looking to be that way, i don't want to lose the device as well. Thx for the help
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What do you mean by cheated? Like scammed, or they sent with wrong software by accident? Like could the reason for this be becuase google products are banned in China? confused cuase i got it off aliexpress for a 1000$ the return request has been approved and free shipping back, but ive never really bought anything off ali express, would they honor the return do you know? I was hoping this would be an easy software fix but it's not looking to be that way, i don't want to lose the device as well. Thx for the help
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There was no accident. They sold you that phone knowing that it did not had that certification. And don't buy phones from China. They can't use Google play services there and have to rely on shady means of getting them on their smartphones.
Ok so just an update got into huge fight with gf, yesterday and well say phone is just out of the reach of return quality and im kindof stuck with it.( couple scratches on body, couldve been much worse lol) any and all suggestions on ehat to do about getting my google account stuff set up is and would be apreciated ( different rom, google apks, rooting device, different operating system, sending a photo of my ass and the middle finger to chinas president yi or whatever that that butt hurt ****ers name is. So i look at this as a learning opertunity and will not take nothing can be done as an anwser there has got to be something and im very dedicated to fingure this out, its a great phone crappy software. Thermal imager and night vision work amazing far better then my ulefone armour 11 t
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it shows as CERTIFIED on the list ?
try a factory reset ?
i may pick up a few of these PX1's as i really like the thermal image quality . ( bar none - best quality to date )
if a hard reset doesn't work., EMAIL AGM, and ask for FIRMWARE , so you can re-flash this device. (or root it?)
please keep us updated, if you find a fix for this ??
note: i have used a BV9900 pro for almost 2 years now, and i am not sure i can go back to a non-thermal device. It is useful in more ways then i could have ever imagined. ( even the wife likes the thermal imaging )
great example: get a text message from wife, the furnace stopped working, and the house is starting to freeze. i reply - take a thermal image of the furnace and see whats not right? reply - she texts me back and says the blower/motor part is super hot but no where else. reply- motor seized? reply - yes. ( this single use , saved me much time by knowing what was wrong.)
so , i am asking for help from XDA on this device.
i got a PX1 infiray - phone
wife got AGM G1s - phone.
these two devices are almost the same.
INFIRAY PX1 = android 11 firmware, no laser pointer, 256GB internal , 8GB ram
256x192 thermal (25hz), 6.53 screen, IR night vision, 48MP sony, 2MP MACRO, 20MP low-illumination , SNAPDRAGON 5G 480(8mm) [email protected] + [email protected]
GPU: Qualcomm® Adreno™ 619
3.5mm headphone jack , USB-C 3.0 , 5500MAH battery , QCS3.0 fast charge ,
bluetooth 5.0 , 60HZ screen refresh.
AGM G1S =
android 12 firmware, laser pointer, 128GB internal , 8GB ram
256x192 thermal (25hz), 6.53 screen, IR night vision, 48MP sony, 2MP MACRO, 20MP low-illumination , SNAPDRAGON 5G 480(8mm) [email protected] + [email protected]
GPU: Qualcomm® Adreno™ 619
3.5mm headphone jack , USB-C 3.0 , 5500MAH battery , QCS3.0 fast charge ,
bluetooth 5.0 , 60HZ screen refresh.
weird fact - the G1s laser pointer APPEARS to still have its distance photo eye , but is missing from the rom (AGM removed?)
seeing as how these TWO phones are almost the same, would anyone think flashing the AGM onto the INFIRAY hurt anything?
another fun fact - i extracted the INFIRAY PX1 thermal camera app, and it works perfect on the G1S (has many more options)
seeing as how these TWO phones are almost the same, would anyone think flashing the AGM onto the INFIRAY hurt anything?
stock rom is listed as
RKQ1.210614.002 release-keys
which seems like its common name .
i switched from a BLACKVIEW BV9900 pro , and i did enjoy that device, its screen size was hard for my hands.
BLACKVIEW seems to make good devices, but fail at software.
after rooting the BV9900 pro's, i was able to fix little things , the company did not. blackviews customer service is a waiting game, and fellow users are the ones who helped the most. rolled that phone back to android 9 and it worked near perfect. (android 10 + 11 are available for those inclined)
switching to AGM devices is a learning curve, and i understand that.
i will add one thing that no review covers anywhere on the internet.
the G1S & PX1 phones are wonderful devices to hold/operate.
everyone has a prefrence for size, and feel of a phone, but these specfic devices have garnered feelings of comfort from everyone who has tried them around me. a few wish for larger screens, but even that, they still think its design is solid. (this may be due to the corner grips?)
Return the phone.
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Return the phone.
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may i ask why? ( the PX1 is google certified. look up the list )
just reflash it with AGM G1S firmware. ( its android 12 - vers stock 11, and is the EXACT same device. )
use Qualcomm_Flash_Image_Loader_v2.0.3.5 to flash it.
AIDA64 for Android v1.90 Report shows these are the SAME device.
how can we get a dedicated thread for these devices.
i plan to root mine, and would like to share the outcome.