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Any way to enable wireless charging? Possibly removing the back and with a touchstone similar to what's possible with the s3?
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Most places are declining to make this
We need moto to make these kinda features stock
The problem is the phone is not designed to be opened or the battery removed.. hence voiding warranty if u do so
That's why we prob won't see this for the RAZR HD and HD maxx
With the s3 u can just pop the back door off...this phone I have yet to see a breakdown... I really doubt the aftermarket companies that make those kinda product will want to invest in making a product that voids ur warranty just to install it
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This is xda surely warranties aren't a concern? If i saw a tear down it wouldn't be hard to set it up with a touch stone like the s3 i would think?
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Thatoneguy. said:
This is xda surely warranties aren't a concern? If i saw a tear down it wouldn't be hard to set it up with a touch stone like the s3 i would think?
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If their is room
I forgot where I read it
But the two screws on the bottom come out then the screen slides up..as far as I remember.. lol
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Not even worth trying, I attempted this mod on the Atrix HD which is done by connecting the positive terminal on the palm pixi to the +5v part on phone and it eventually worked but a usb had to be plugged into phone the usb wasnt plugged into anything but the phone wouldnt charge unless it actually detected a usb plugged in.
Unfortunately, I don't think it will happen. It is true that XDA doesn't care too much about warranties, but there is a big difference between hardware and software warranties. Accessory manufacturers aren't going to make something that you have to hack apart your phone for. What is worth more to you, a 30 dollar wireless charging accessory that you have to jimmy rig, or the warranty that protects your $650 investment? You can unroot easy enough to return to VZW but try explaning the wireless charging mod that's on there now.
I've been interested in getting a wireless charging solution for my phone, and while I have to look into it a bit more to figure out specifics for certain things, I think it may be possible to create a case that plugs into the USB port so we wouldn't void our warranties.
Designing the case wont bee too much hassle, a micrometer and some 3D modeling software. However we need to find a way to get a micro usb connector that has a 90 degree bend in it to go into the port without causing any sort of scraping. Possibly have the right hand side of the case hinged and secured by snaps on top and bottom? or have the connector itself removable.
So materials for a test setup would require:
Touchstone components
90 degree MicroUSB male connector
Soldering gun
Custom case
I don't have the setup to do this available to me right now, however I think the biggest problem would be getting a connector small enough to keep from adding a lot of bulk to the side of the phone. Heck, with it only supplying .42 A at about 4.8 volts, it may not be inconceivable to group 2 in a case for faster charging. I haven't worked with the touchstone charger myself before, so I don't know their size.
Anyways, food for thought, and a possible personal project once I get some more important things finished up.
Hi,
Signed up just to post my results so far.
Ive gotten razr HD maxx to charge through the USB port using a touchstone pixi back cover.
It works using the touchstone charging base but the usb wall wart that came with the razr hd. The amperage coming though was not enough using a motorola dedicated usb wall charger that came with my bluetooth headphones putting out 500mA. It charges a little slower using the induction charger. I need to figure out if this will work running off my cars electrical system as that is my main motivation for getting this to work.
To get the phone to go into charging mode you have to either short out the USB data wires or connect the D+ wire to a 2v contact on the touchstone pixi circuit. Connecting the usb D+ to the 2v contact hopefully will allow me to hardwire this setup directly to the phone and leave the usb port free if, assuming I can find enough room inside for everything.
The phone is charging right now on the touchstone base, estimate 2hr to full charge from 70%
Im going to try and shove it all inside the phone tomorrow.
DrunkenFerret said:
I've been interested in getting a wireless charging solution for my phone, and while I have to look into it a bit more to figure out specifics for certain things, I think it may be possible to create a case that plugs into the USB port so we wouldn't void our warranties.
Designing the case wont bee too much hassle, a micrometer and some 3D modeling software. However we need to find a way to get a micro usb connector that has a 90 degree bend in it to go into the port without causing any sort of scraping. Possibly have the right hand side of the case hinged and secured by snaps on top and bottom? or have the connector itself removable.
So materials for a test setup would require:
Touchstone components
90 degree MicroUSB male connector
Soldering gun
Custom case
I don't have the setup to do this available to me right now, however I think the biggest problem would be getting a connector small enough to keep from adding a lot of bulk to the side of the phone. Heck, with it only supplying .42 A at about 4.8 volts, it may not be inconceivable to group 2 in a case for faster charging. I haven't worked with the touchstone charger myself before, so I don't know their size.
Anyways, food for thought, and a possible personal project once I get some more important things finished up.
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I dont know if I can get this to work internally now due to soldeirng limitations.
There is just enough space to slightly force the phone back together (it does bulge) but the pins for the USB port are covered and recessed under the USB housing. There is not enough clearance for me to do a clean solder onto the contacts.
I can not find another trace for the 5v or D+ pin on the circuit board.
If i could remove the outer cover maybe but for now this is going to have to be a plug into the USB port/external mod until i either grow a bigger pair and try to remove the USB port or find alternate contacts to solder the leads onto.
EDIT: I actually just went for it and ground off the corner of the USB casing. And actually soldered the wires onto the pins. However the touchstone system will not allow this to work internally. The battey when laid on the coil will interfere with the EMF and cause an unstable voltage. It goes from a low of 4.8 to 5.5 v. Maybe someone thats an RF engineer can figure something out with the reflector.
Maybe if i get more motivation later ill check out a qi standard charging setup to see if its compatible. For now im going to find an outer case and just go with the usb plug use this externally.
Try picking up some foil tape and put it between the battery and coil. You should be able to pick some up at your local hardware or hobby shop. It may need to be touching the ground to be effective though. Depending on some things over the next month I might be able to start working on my own setup.
Tried that but no go.
With the foil covering the coil, the voltage fluctuates before the battery is even placed over it. I hope you can get it working internally, ive since used an otterbox commuter case to hold it all together.
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Try picking up some foil tape and put it between the battery and coil. You should be able to pick some up at your local hardware or hobby shop. It may need to be touching the ground to be effective though. Depending on some things over the next month I might be able to start working on my own setup.
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In what order are you putting the components? Phone, battery then coil. Or phone coil then battery? Basically is the coil between the hardware and battery, or is the coil between the back panel and battery.
I can see where the issues would arise if it is between the battery and hardware. Both would be giving off EM waves if the device is on. If it is between them, try moving the coil to between the back panel and the battery.
Right now I can't afford to try an internal mod where I could kill the phone if I screw up, so until a couple things settle down for me I will only be attempting an external mod that fits in a case. If I can get the design right I may be able to make it so there is still a USB port available.
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I'm sourcing/pricing components right now and you've already given me the voltage output, but how about the current provided by the coil? What I'm planning involves building a small circuit that would short the D+ wire only when there is no USB cable connected.
Anyway we can get some pics of the project in progress?
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Thatoneguy. said:
Anyway we can get some pics of the project in progress?
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So I don't have the components at the moment to start my project physically, however as I said I am finding the parts I'll need. Apparently its a PITA to get male micro USB connectors without bulk orders, or importing from China. I'd prefer a SMT (surface mount for circuit boards) but those appear to be next to impossible. Anyways I've been able to find pretty much everything I need and just a matter of time till they get in.
My plan is to provide a clean circuit that would use the USB port on the phone to charge using the coil, while adding a new USB port into a phone case to still allow USB data and charging. However as the coil can create fluctuations in voltage and current, I want to have a setup that allows for it to be isolated while it is plugged in through USB.
Attached is just a quick circuit diagram I made using EveryCircuit, I need to refine it still, but just an example. Heck if you have the app rebuild it and you'll be able to see what it does. Left side is USB cable input, with a switch at top to simulate plugging in and unplugging, while the right is the phone side with the power source being the coil. The light/loads are to simulate the data lines and power lines and show whether the circuit works.
When I get the parts together I'll take pics and post a tutorial. I have some 3D modeling experience so I may even be able to design a custom case to put everything into.
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In what order are you putting the components? Phone, battery then coil. Or phone coil then battery? Basically is the coil between the hardware and battery, or is the coil between the back panel and battery.
I can see where the issues would arise if it is between the battery and hardware. Both would be giving off EM waves if the device is on. If it is between them, try moving the coil to between the back panel and the battery.
Right now I can't afford to try an internal mod where I could kill the phone if I screw up, so until a couple things settle down for me I will only be attempting an external mod that fits in a case. If I can get the design right I may be able to make it so there is still a USB port available.
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I'm sourcing/pricing components right now and you've already given me the voltage output, but how about the current provided by the coil? What I'm planning involves building a small circuit that would short the D+ wire only when there is no USB cable connected.
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the coil was sandwiched between the back case of the phone and the battery. The metal in the battery is influencing the flux going through the charging coil. The base is not always on, it only turns on when the charging coil is present. If not present the base seems to send out a pulse every so often to detect the presence of the charging coil inside the phone.
The issues arise once the battery is laid across the coil, the base begins to oscillate and the voltage begins to alternate. Also the coils seem to only work within a specific frequency range, but i dont have a signal generator or oscope to confirm this.
According to the battery charging app the base is putting out ~6-700mA to the phone with an 1A charger plugged into the base.
*WARNING*
DO NOT SUBMERGE YOUR SAMSUNG GALAXY S5 WITH THIS WIRELESS RECEIVER PAD INSTALLED. I HAVE TESTED IT AND IT DOES LEAK.
IF YOU DO, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED ABOUT THE POSSIBLE OUTCOME
Water death thread --> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2741481
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For the Note 3, I purchased about 3 different receiver pads over the course of it's life. Every pad pretty much had it's own set of pros and cons. For the S5, this is the product I started with. If I purchase any other ones, I'll add to this.
Cost: Around $7-$8 shipped
Link: http://goo.gl/JcDc6t (generic search results... if you want the one in this video, just match it up with the pictures... auctions start and end frequently)
Kind of hard these days to film with my daughter around, but it's better than going to work and coming home and hiding in the basement. I do apologize about that.
Overall assessment for you guys is that it does an okay job with charging. Exactly what you'd expect with wireless charging if you're familiar with it. NFC gets a one out of four stars though. Don't expect to enjoy using NFC while using it. If you do get it to work, it's because you really fiddled around a lot with it.
Finally a review, thanks. 1A charging is more than decent i'd say. my old HTC wall adapter chargers are 1A anyway.
Obviously everyone should assume water resistance is void with 3rd party qi receivers. I personally don't use NFC for any reason so there is no downside for me. but yea, i think that's about it, i just wanted to see it actually working and i appreciate it. very straight fwd. cheers. :good:
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Finally a review, thanks. 1A charging is more than decent i'd say. my old HTC wall adapter chargers are 1A anyway.
Obviously everyone should assume water resistance is void with 3rd party qi receivers. I personally don't use NFC for any reason so there is no downside for me. but yea, i think that's about it, i just wanted to see it actually working and i appreciate it. very straight fwd. cheers. :good:
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Welcome.... I agree. I should add a blurb about the IP67 cert and the effects of the QI receiver. :good:
I treat my phone normally, haven't had a phone with ip certification until this S5, and never had a phone that went swimming from my very first phone, so I don't care about the ip67.
What would happen if you had the phone plugged in charging and you set it on the wireless charger?
Zombie apocalypse
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Seriously I don't know, just talking ****.
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mikeeey said:
What would happen if you had the phone plugged in charging and you set it on the wireless charger?
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That's a good question actually because if you have the phone hooked up to do data transfer and placed it on the wireless base then you would have the same scenario. There must be some intelligence in the phone to either cope with a charge from two locations or to disable one if two are present.
Thomasba said:
That's a good question actually because if you have the phone hooked up to do data transfer and placed it on the wireless base then you would have the same scenario. There must be some intelligence in the phone to either cope with a charge from two locations or to disable one if two are present.
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I'll try this sometime this weekend.
chillsen said:
Finally a review, thanks. 1A charging is more than decent i'd say. my old HTC wall adapter chargers are 1A anyway.
Obviously everyone should assume water resistance is void with 3rd party qi receivers. I personally don't use NFC for any reason so there is no downside for me. but yea, i think that's about it, i just wanted to see it actually working and i appreciate it. very straight fwd. cheers. :good:
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I would use NFC if more people took ISIS payments. Most of the time they don't. If they have an NFC compatible POS it's either shut off or not allowed.
I think it has to average out to 640mA. From what I've read the kernel doesn't allow for higher current. Then again according to this app it was charging about 1% a minute which was the same as the charger...
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Welcome.... I agree. I should add a blurb about the IP67 cert and the effects of the QI receiver. :good:
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How is water resistance comprimised with the Qi receiver? Does the receiver stay inside the sealing of existing cover?
yoonus said:
How is water resistance comprimised with the Qi receiver? Does the receiver stay inside the sealing of existing cover?
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Well I think in my blurb I noted that it is not recommended to submerge the phone afterwards. I would imagine that officially any company that says it doesn't effect it would have to get the whole system re certified.
It is within the boundaries of the seal. Who's going to be brave enough to submerge for 5 minutes and see if any water seeps in? Don't volunteer me please. I might do a 2 second plunge and keep on going from there... 5 seconds, 10 seconds, 60 seconds and 2 min.
Does wireless charging coil affects wireless resistance?
SandeepEmekar said:
Does wireless charging coil affects wireless resistance?
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The answer is very likely yes If you are not using a official Samsung accessory.
Alright. I did a test run with the QI receiver pad in. My wife was not happy about this at all. She hasn't even tested the phone without the pad in.
My video will consist of a dunk test, 1 min, 2 min, and 5 min submerging. In addition to that the wireless battery pack will be submerged in a zip lock bag. If all goes well the phone should be able to charge while underwater. That should be the ultimate A OKAY right?
WARNING
DO NOT SUBMERGE YOUR PHONE WITH THIS INSTALLED
I wanted to get this notice out before any of the video detailing what exactly happened. Just in case it can save someone. Details will follow shortly.
Video is below:
Starts at 1:16. You can hear the audio get worse.
Details:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52421677
I wanted to separate out the details before someone kills their daily phone and is left with nothing or has to pay a huge deductible.
I like this charger
cos it claims to charge just like the wire
has anyone tried it ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFhhPQxnLuc
or are there any others that claim Fast Charging ?
Thanks
Fast charging related to Charging efficiency. I find this one claimed as >73%. The price is also good, only $6.49 http://bit.ly/1pm8TCs
So I noticed the wireless QI receivers have started becoming literally paper thin lately.
And with this girls teardown, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dweww9_RF2E#t=224
I think it looks like you could remove the thin plastic over the battery, and fit a QI receiver there.
Thoughts?
Shadowdancer123 said:
So I noticed the wireless QI receivers have started becoming literally paper thin lately.
And with this girls teardown, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dweww9_RF2E#t=224
I think it looks like you could remove the thin plastic over the battery, and fit a QI receiver there.
Thoughts?
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we wouldn't be able to remove that plastic piece because it hold the battery, but it is stil possible. i already did recon on some places to solder in a wireless charger.
Legacystar said:
we wouldn't be able to remove that plastic piece because it hold the battery, but it is stil possible. i already did recon on some places to solder in a wireless charger.
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Curious, but I'm looking at the flat cable that just lies there, under the M-logo. It doesn't appear to have any PCB at the end?
I wonder if they were thinking about adding a QI coil there, but decided it was too expensive?
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Curious, but I'm looking at the flat cable that just lies there, under the M-logo. It doesn't appear to have any PCB at the end?
I wonder if they were thinking about adding a QI coil there, but decided it was too expensive?
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That's my theory since the nexus 6 has wireless and they are the same chassis essentially . or it was for a fingerprint scanner they abandoned. Once we see a nexus 6 teardown we will have a better idea if we can do it.
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Once we see a nexus 6 teardown we will have a better idea if we can do it.
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Been waiting for that...
Shadowdancer123 said:
Curious, but I'm looking at the flat cable that just lies there, under the M-logo. It doesn't appear to have any PCB at the end?
I wonder if they were thinking about adding a QI coil there, but decided it was too expensive?
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Could have sworn I read somewhere that between they cable and a teardown of the software showing code for a fingerprint scanner, the original idea was to have the scanner. I could be wrong though.
gotzaDroid said:
Could have sworn I read somewhere that between they cable and a teardown of the software showing code for a fingerprint scanner, the original idea was to have the scanner. I could be wrong though.
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Let's hope you're wrong then.
It would be really cool to have wireless charging, shame so few manufacturers add this.
The amount of stuff needed to make the coils on the receiving end is pretty limited, I could absolutely accept buying the transmitter separately, (like the turbo charger is now)
But I suspect the patent royalties are expensive, patents sure don't benefit users..
Wireless charging
Anyone able to confirm if this is possible after the nexus 6 tearnever down?
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Anyone able to confirm if this is possible after the nexus 6 tearnever down?
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Looks like the nexus 6 has a different config then the moto x so as far as a plug and play solution, no. I have located 2 contact locations where we could solder in a qi coil. I'm just trying to work up the courage to try it lol
Here is a related question: without modding the phone itself on the 2013 and 2014 model I cant get one of the QI receivers to work. This is the one for sale on eBay / amazon / newegg with a micro usb end to plug into the micro usb port. It literally works with every other micro usb device i own including a Samsung bluetooth headset, several phones and some other stuff i cant think of at the moment... On the moto x 2013 and 14 I literally see no charge and see it actively loose charge over time with this device plugged in.
It may be tricky with the moto x. There are some negative and some positive reviews here for example: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/cr/B00MN3RR7Q/s=sd/ref=mw_dp_cr
There are also some reviews saying they needed to restart the device once while on the charger: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/review/B00H7FJX7M/R2YPDLOU1BD4QE/ref=mw_dp_cr?cursor=2&sort=rd
You can find more of those comments on the internet. Could you try that, and if it works clarify if you need to restart it every time you want to charge or every time you connect something else?
Here is another link for the original moto x: http://www.reddit.com/r/MotoX/comments/2gskxw/original_moto_x_wireless_charging_mod_qi/
Edit: you may need a screen lock, e.g. the pattern lock.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2596469
An unrooted Moto G needs to be screen locked (I use the pattern lock type) or it will refuse to charge due to the missing pins. You can unlock the screen while it is charging as long as you don't lift it from the qi charger. (tested on 4.3 and 4.4.2, DE and FR firmware)
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Legacystar said:
Looks like the nexus 6 has a different config then the moto x so as far as a plug and play solution, no. I have located 2 contact locations where we could solder in a qi coil. I'm just trying to work up the courage to try it lol
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Go for it lol! Take some nice pics if you do. You'd be my hero.
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Well chaps, bad news. I don't think this is going to be possible. I spent 6 hours today trying various solder points. Couldn't get any of them to actually charge the battery. Seems to be some sort of system configuration thats interfering with how its detecting .
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Well chaps, bad news. I don't think this is going to be possible. I spent 6 hours today trying various solder points. Couldn't get any of them to actually charge the battery. Seems to be some sort of system configuration thats interfering with how its detecting .
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Did you look at /sys/module/msm_otg/parameters/floated_charger_enable? It might not be enabled. Here's a similar thread for the Moto G:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2688276 (see the update at the top)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2601628 (thread for the app, not sure it works on X2 but you can check manually through ADB for the above /sys path).
As far as I know, wireless charging won't work without a pattern lock or having that option set. My Moto X won't be here until next week so I can't do any testing until then.
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Did you look at /sys/module/msm_otg/parameters/floated_charger_enable? It might not be enabled. Here's a similar thread for the Moto G:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2688276 (see the update at the top)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2601628 (thread for the app, not sure it works on X2 but you can check manually through ADB for the above /sys path).
As far as I know, wireless charging won't work without a pattern lock or having that option set. My Moto X won't be here until next week so I can't do any testing until then.
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I tried pattern lock, didn't help. Wireless charging does not require a lock, my girlfriend has a droid maxx and wireless works without it.
As far as the module check, I don't have root on Verizon so I wouldn't be able to test it.
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I tried pattern lock, didn't help. Wireless charging does not require a lock, my girlfriend has a droid maxx and wireless works without it.
As far as the module check, I don't have root on Verizon so I wouldn't be able to test it.
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You are correct about wireless charging in general. I think the reason the pattern lock is suggested is because the wireless mod (even without internally mounting it) only provides 2 wires on the USB connector. Something about only having 2 wires, and not the data pins, is why the locking is suggested.
No worries on the module, just something I had seen while investigating. I don't know if the Maxx supported wireless charging out of the box, but it may have the flag enabled by default (that flag seems common among many Moto devices).
I'm coming from a Nexus 5 and I'll really miss wireless charging, hence my questions to you
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You are correct about wireless charging in general. I think the reason the pattern lock is suggested is because the wireless mod (even without internally mounting it) only provides 2 wires on the USB connector. Something about only having 2 wires, and not the data pins, is why the locking is suggested.
No worries on the module, just something I had seen while investigating. I don't know if the Maxx supported wireless charging out of the box, but it may have the flag enabled by default (that flag seems common among many Moto devices).
I'm coming from a Nexus 5 and I'll really miss wireless charging, hence my questions to you
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The Maxx has it built in from moto, same internals as the moto x essentially. If we get root I could look at the module thing. I was lucky that I had access to a spare moto x main board so I didn't have to solder on mine. That won't be the case in the future.
I'm going to post all the points I tried so maybe someone can figure this out. I was able to get it to show charging but only right after reboot and it would stop once I took it off and replaced it. I have to emphasize it showed charging but never actually charged the battery, it would show charging in battery stats bit not in the status bar. I also use battery monitor widget to check the current and it never showed positive charge current. Once I was able to get it to details at as a USB charge, only happened once, still didn't charge though.
This all makes me think there is something screwy going on.
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The Maxx has it built in from moto, same internals as the moto x essentially. If we get root I could look at the module thing. I was lucky that I had access to a spare moto x main board so I didn't have to solder on mine. That won't be the case in the future.
I'm going to post all the points I tried so maybe someone can figure this out. I was able to get it to show charging but only right after reboot and it would stop once I took it off and replaced it. I have to emphasize it showed charging but never actually charged the battery, it would show charging in battery stats bit not in the status bar. I also use battery monitor widget to check the current and it never showed positive charge current. Once I was able to get it to details at as a USB charge, only happened once, still didn't charge though.
This all makes me think there is something screwy going on.
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I ordered a Pure Edition (Cyber Monday deal was a great one) so if nothing else I'll have root to poke around. Pictures of where you tried would definitely be helpful. I think I saw some from you in another thread, but all in one place would make searching easier
A 5V near the USB port would be ideal because then we'd know its likely feeding into the battery or charge circuit. 5V elsewhere on the board may not be wired to the battery. Looking at the photos in that Moto G thread may give you an idea on where to poke around with a multimeter.
The charging after a reboot, and until you picked it up, sounds like maybe you did have it at one point. That whole "until you pick it up" is another thing mentioned by many in those Moto G threads.
What wireless charging receiver did you use (not your base station)? The one I ordered says "up to 1000mAh" but I had seen some at 500 or 650. A lower output rating may not be enough to charge the battery at all. One way to test this would be a very low output wall charger (one that puts out 500mAh for example) and see if the X shows charging when connected to that.
On a related note, how hard is it to disassemble the X? Some of the teardowns look like it could be a pain.
romracer said:
I ordered a Pure Edition (Cyber Monday deal was a great one) so if nothing else I'll have root to poke around. Pictures of where you tried would definitely be helpful. I think I saw some from you in another thread, but all in one place would make searching easier
A 5V near the USB port would be ideal because then we'd know its likely feeding into the battery or charge circuit. 5V elsewhere on the board may not be wired to the battery. Looking at the photos in that Moto G thread may give you an idea on where to poke around with a multimeter.
The charging after a reboot, and until you picked it up, sounds like maybe you did have it at one point. That whole "until you pick it up" is another thing mentioned by many in those Moto G threads.
What wireless charging receiver did you use (not your base station)? The one I ordered says "up to 1000mAh" but I had seen some at 500 or 650. A lower output rating may not be enough to charge the battery at all. One way to test this would be a very low output wall charger (one that puts out 500mAh for example) and see if the X shows charging when connected to that.
On a related note, how hard is it to disassemble the X? Some of the teardowns look like it could be a pain.
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i've attache da picture of the points i used and the results are as follows.
1. shows 5v when plugged in. when wireless coil is attached to it, will power the phone up without the battery connected (doesn't boot, just shows a battery on screen)
2. pretty much exactly the same as spot 1
3. shows 5volts but doesn't power the phone
4. shows 5v but doesn't power the phone
5. you can't see it in the picture because the rubber cover for the usb port is on but there is a diode right behind the usb port. this one is the only port i was able to get it to say usb charging ONCE. other then that, acts the same as 1 and 2.
again i have to emphasize that even though they show charging initially, they never actually charge the battery.
I'm using a galaxy s3 qi insert 700ma. i think there is a mislabeling on some qi pads saying 1000ma but not considering the 30% loss in inductive charging. even ones with 1000 on them tend to charge around 650ma. some label including the loss.
As far as teardown it's not too complicated to get the back off, lots of adhesive so be careful to not bend the back cover. i have leather so that was a particular hassle as i didn't want creases in the leather. after that there are 17 screws to remove. i've included a picture of the ones you need to remove. the ones around the silver ring on the "moto" logo don't need to be removed along with the silver screw for the buttons.
after you remove the screws and disconnect the buttons and battery from the board the back battery plate comes off in one piece. one of the particularly hard parts about testing points is you can't turn the phone on because the power button is part of the battery plate. also when you put the battery plate back on and you have wires running to contact points it won't fit because there is a speaker "box" that sections off that circuitry. i combated this by using copper tape to essentially make my own tiny custom circuit pathways leading out of that box where i then could attach wires and run them up through the hole that the battery connector goes.
THIS IS NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART!
i'm going to write up a tear down guide for this phone. what section do you guys think i should post it in?
Maybe I'm expecting too much, but the way I understand Qi wireless charging is you should be able to use any combination of transmitter/receiver you wish and it should just work.
Well, as I'm sure some of you are aware, that does not appear to be the case with the Note 4. I have tried two 3rd party receivers with different bases and have been unable to achieve any sort of consistency.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PUA06TA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OFKS66G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Above are the 3rd party receivers I've tried. You either have to off center the receiver with the base, or find a sweet spot that makes it look like if you so much as sneeze the wrong way the phone will fall off. NOT ideal. Most 3rd party receivers I have looked at employ a similar design.
Or you have a situation like mine where a base just won't work due to alignment issues. This is the case with the iOttie Easy Flex Wireless Car Charging Mount. The coil in the receiver sits too far to the left (screen facing you), and there's no way to align with the coil on the iOttie properly.
Here's the funny part. I have ZERO issues with the OEM Charging Cover. This thing where Qi is supposed to be universal may be true, but there are strings attached. Until there are no strings, I can't see how phone manufacturers can take it seriously...
I hope that the upcoming Galaxy S6 handles this better than that. It looks promising. It wouldn't be the sole reason I switch to it, but I can do a slightly smaller screen, don't necessarily need the pen, but they are nice. I just wish wireless charging was handled better....
I use the OEM Wireless charging cover and a Nokia base. I have had no issues at all. I would stay away from those cheap Chinese adapter coils. They seem very easy to break, they don't fit well with the stock cover, and are more prone to errors. They only sell for a couple dollars in China so don't expect much.
suggest this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LE6X5VU/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
3 coils.
vertical and horizontal fine. I do have to position it 1 cm to the right or left from center....but still really easy.
jejunum said:
suggest this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LE6X5VU/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
3 coils.
vertical and horizontal fine. I do have to position it 1 cm to the right or left from center....but still really easy.
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I just got a Tylt Vu and have to do the same thing when using the Choetech receiver. If I put it upside down it centers perfectly LOL. Nothing of the sort with OEM. What are you using for a receiver?
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I use the OEM Wireless charging cover and a Nokia base. I have had no issues at all. I would stay away from those cheap Chinese adapter coils. They seem very easy to break, they don't fit well with the stock cover, and are more prone to errors. They only sell for a couple dollars in China so don't expect much.
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When you're talking about the coils, are you referring to the receiver or the base? OEM covers are made in Vietnam...
Never gonna be as fast as fast charge so till they really step up game it is pointless
BAD ASS NOTE 4 & GEAR S
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Never gonna be as fast as fast charge so till they really step up game it is pointless
BAD ASS NOTE 4 & GEAR S
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I don't mind that it doesn't charge as fast. That said how can companies like Tylt claim that their chargers can charge just as fast as wired?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DG8NUC8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
From the FAQ page on Tylt's website:
Q: How long does it take to charge my phone with the VU?
A: The VU is designed to provide as much power as your standard USB charger (1 Amp) and will charge as fast as your USB charger as long as your phone is designed to accept that much power.
http://tylt.com/faq/#vu
Granted, Quick Charge 2.0 is most likely not in there, but doesn't that only work up to 50%?
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I don't mind that it doesn't charge as fast. That said how can companies like Tylt claim that their chargers can charge just as fast as wired?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DG8NUC8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
From the FAQ page on Tylt's website:
Q: How long does it take to charge my phone with the VU?
A: The VU is designed to provide as much power as your standard USB charger (1 Amp) and will charge as fast as your USB charger as long as your phone is designed to accept that much power.
http://tylt.com/faq/#vu
Granted, Quick Charge 2.0 is most likely not in there, but doesn't that only work up to 50%?
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Yeah most regular phones. From 6 years ago lol. It a fine print thing and people not knowing their phone.
BAD ASS NOTE 4 & GEAR S
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When you're talking about the coils, are you referring to the receiver or the base? OEM covers are made in Vietnam...
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I'm referring to the receivers. My experience has been that the OEM covers are more durable than those cheap vinyl covered coils that one mounts behind the stock battery cover.
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Never gonna be as fast as fast charge so till they really step up game it is pointless
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Wireless charging is not as fast as wired charging but it sure is convenient. I hate having to plug and unplug the phone all day. With wireless charging I just make it a habit to always leave it on the charging pad when I can. That way my phone is always at 100% when I leave. My OEM fast charger is still in the box unused. I got a deal on the Nokia pads a year or so ago and only paid $5 a piece for them direct from AT&T. At that price it's easy to place them in multiple locations such as the living room, bedroom, office, car, etc.
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I'm referring to the receivers. My experience has been that the OEM covers are more durable than those cheap vinyl covered coils that one mounts behind the stock battery cover.
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Wireless charging is not as fast as wired charging but it sure is convenient. I hate having to plug and unplug the phone all day. With wireless charging I just make it a habit to always leave it on the charging pad when I can. That way my phone is always at 100% when I leave. My OEM fast charger is still in the box unused. I got a deal on the Nokia pads a year or so ago and only paid $5 a piece for them direct from AT&T. At that price it's easy to place them in multiple locations such as the living room, bedroom, office, car, etc.
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I plug mine in over night and go all day. That slow charge is gonna have issues charging a dead battery in 5-6 hours
BAD ASS NOTE 4 & GEAR S
I have the same QI pad in ur first link. Works gr8 on mine. Now I'm using a different receiver. The first one I bought was the same slmpwrcard u got. Lots of issues with it, until it just quite. When it was kinda working, hit or miss, I measured the voltage the receiver sent to battery when connected with charger. It was low. Should be 5v, I was getting right at 4v, now it only puts out 1.7v, and won't even work. Below is the one I bought to replace. Works perfect! http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00P48BIFY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I have 7 QI chargers, and they all work well. By the way, the QI pad u linked is a 3 coil. Also it only makes sense u may have to put the phone on QI charger a lil offcenter because the coil in receiver is offcenter.....
I bought the Yoo Tech wireless receiver and LagaLake wireless charging pad. There's a slight bulge in the back of the phone and I have to put the phone on the charging pad slightly off center. In the end, it was more work than just plugging the phone in. So, I'm back to using my fast charger. I'll have to get the official Samsung wireless charging back and see if it works better.
What Qi-charging options are there for the xperia Z5?
Any chance that Sony will release something similar to WCR14, or are we stuck with fitting generic receivers between the phone and a case?
As I know, z5 doesnt support wirelless charging out of the box
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As I know, z5 doesnt support wirelless charging out of the box
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Yeah, exactly, no support for wireless charging. However, Sony has released cases with built-in wireless charging for earlier models of the Z-line
and I was wondering if anyone knew if they are going to release a similar solution for the Z5 Compact.
At the moment it seems as though the only viable option is to install a qi-receiver bought on ebay or a similar site and pair it with a case.
Not so bad i guess, since it probably is a hell of a lot cheaper and you get to choose whichever case you want.
Awaiting my Z5C now and will update when I have installed a qi solution.
That is impossible becouse that cases before have connection over magnetic charger and z5c dont have it.
Okay, bummer..
I thought they might solve the problem of the missing magnetic port by using the micro-usb connection..
Just wanted to confirm, I purchased a Qi Wireless Receiver that connects over USB - no dice. They don't have the "teeth" that microusb ports have and due to the water proofing the port doesn't turn on.
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Just wanted to confirm, I purchased a Qi Wireless Receiver that connects over USB - no dice. They don't have the "teeth" that microusb ports have and due to the water proofing the port doesn't turn on.
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Really?
Shucks.. I just ordered one of those..
Tried various adapters and it doesn't draw enough power to charge. It just vibrates and turns the screen on but doesn't say charging.
Maybe you should try "detect the usb device" option
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Maybe you should try "detect the usb device" option
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This.
I will be ordering up a high amp one soon to hopefully help me get my phone through the day. I'll report in if it does or doesn't work.
I am using this one
http://www.amazon.de/Universal-Qi-Wireless-Ladegerät-Micro-USB-Android-Handy-Schnittstelle/dp/B00OH12LA0/ref=sr_1_2?s=ce-de&ie=UTF8&qid=1456411436&sr=1-2&keywords=qi+receiver+1000ma#productDetails
in combination with this case
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B016D8ZACK?ref_=pe_1365651_54849071
looks perfect and my phone gets from empty to 100% in about 6 hours.
Thorstenk said:
I am using this one
http://www.amazon.de/Universal-Qi-Wireless-Ladegerät-Micro-USB-Android-Handy-Schnittstelle/dp/B00OH12LA0/ref=sr_1_2?s=ce-de&ie=UTF8&qid=1456411436&sr=1-2&keywords=qi+receiver+1000ma#productDetails
in combination with this case
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B016D8ZACK?ref_=pe_1365651_54849071
looks perfect and my phone gets from empty to 100% in about 6 hours.
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Looks nice! what kind of amperage are you able charge with tst receiver?
I'm going to be ordering this one:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00YGV76LK/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A11ID9O6IRX38
Review show that it's pretty close to 1amp in most cases.
And using this so every time its in my pocket I'll have this in there charging it..
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B018T...X236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=qi+power+bank
Ampere shows 200-600 mAh (depending of the position)
Its working really good and its cheap, don't get why not all the companies install it in their phones ...
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Just wanted to confirm, I purchased a Qi Wireless Receiver that connects over USB - no dice. They don't have the "teeth" that microusb ports have and due to the water proofing the port doesn't turn on.
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Just wanted to post to say that this is wrong. What it needs to work is a connector has the data pins to be connected so that it shows that it's capable of outputting higher than 500mA. I'm using the Zoer receiver that has that and it works fine. Amperage is between 260mA to 770mA depending on the qi charger that I use.
no, not really. This qi definitely works.
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Really?
Shucks.. I just ordered one of those..
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You just need one with 4 pins instead of the cheaper 2 pin ones. I have one which definitely works. Unfortunately, xdadevelopers doesn't let new users post links for some reason, so I can't help anybody with the link to the one I use. I spent a lot of time working out what to use and finally went into a 'retail store' to test the one I ordered before ordering my own z5 compact. If anybody wants the link to the ebay item, just email at [email protected]. Make sure you choose the 'A type' for the z5 compact. Works a treat. There is a lot of confusion about qi on the z5. Some people are saying that it is because of its waterproof attributes, you can't do it. Not so. This works perfectly and once on, can be used with any QI standard charging mat.
Guy, anyone tried with the quickcharge wireless pad yet? By the way, do we need to have quick charge supported receiver coils in order to use the quick charge charging pad?
qiang85 said:
Guy, anyone tried with the quickcharge wireless pad yet? By the way, do we need to have quick charge supported receiver coils in order to use the quick charge charging pad?
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I've never seen a quick charger receiver? I gave up on this in favor of quick charging at lunch
For those that have gone down this route a couple of questions please:
1) How has the QI receiver lasted if the phone is submerged? Did it just need rinsing in clean water and drying out or was it screwed?
2) Is there a maximum thickness to the case which I should worry about?
3) What sort of time does it take to charge up?
4) If I'm playing music or video will it charge quicker than I'm draining the battery?
Thanks!
I just got this one:
ASIN=B01E15W2ZA
and it works good with my Xperiy Z5 Compact. It charges with about 600...700 mA, something les than with a normal charger, but absolutely enough for my purpose - modt of the time I just want to recharge over nitght. It goes up to 100 %.
The included power bank feature can also be used via Qi, but probably smarter it to use it with a cable to not waste Your capacity as heat.
By the way: Even NFC works through the receiver!
But still I folded the receiver cable twice to position the receiver on the lower edge of the beackside of the phone. This way I avoid the risk, that NFC sensitivity gets reduced and I can line up the phone better on the charger, because it must lay quite exact on the cross.
i have qi charger for 5c and it works. i order plate fro qi and qi charger from ebay. just this qi sticker must set under some case. another way it is possible to broke it.