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I'm pretty new to Android. I got my N5 2 months ago and rooted it as soon as I took it out of the box to get rid of the navigation bar. Didnt install any ROM or kernal.
What I did today was try to overclock it. I wanted to test the performance upgrade with Geekbench 3.
I got 2500. Tried to overclock with this app called: No-frills CPU control. And suddenly I get no higher than 2000...... Tried everything. I'm stuck at a multi core score of 2000 in geekbench while it should be 2500>.
WTF DO I DO? My device is noticeably slower, it's like a GS4 D: I'd rather not install any kernals/Roms
I set the minimum CPU frequency to 300Mhz and max to 2.266Ghz
Hi,
Thermal throttling..., overclocking produces more heat than the stock CPU freq so more thermal throttling. To prevent any damage, the CPU freq decreases according to the CPU temperature...
Let cool down your phone.
Hammer_Of_The_Gods said:
Hi,
Thermal throttling..., overclocking produces more heat than the stock CPU freq so more thermal throttling. To prevent any damage, the CPU freq decreases according to the CPU temperature...
Let cool down your phone.
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Sure, I'll turn it off for a while.
Just to make sure: the standard CPU frequencies are 300Mhz MIN and 2.266Ghz MAX, right?
Fandrold said:
Sure, I'll turn it off for a while.
Just to make sure: the standard CPU frequencies are 300Mhz MIN and 2.266Ghz MAX, right?
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Yes, that's right 300 Mhz-2,26 Ghz.
Not necessary to turn your phone OFF , when it boots it's a process that causes "heat" at the beginning then you will need to let it cool down again. EDIT: oups, you mean the thermal throttling OFF maybe?
Don't touch it for a while, airplane mode can help. If you are in a "hot" country/weather, air cooling, fridge...
We speak about this here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...5-user-benchmark-thread-added-t2506965/page42.
Hammer_Of_The_Gods said:
Hi,
Thermal throttling..., overclocking produces more heat than the stock CPU freq so more thermal throttling. To prevent any damage, the CPU freq decreases according to the CPU temperature...
Let cool down your phone.
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I've let it cool down and I got my old performance back . Never knew the solution would be so simple. Thanks.
I have been able to fix quite a bit of thermal throttling experienced in multiple benchmark runs by tweaking with the thermal-engine configuration file. With just a few changes and with the copper shim mod I can now run geekbench for as many five times with almost no drop in score. After that I get no thermal throttling in single core but I have it setup to disable two cores after it hits 55C CPU temp in core 4 and 7. I use CPU Z to see actual CPU temp from the sensor readings. Even after 8 Geekbench runs the two cores are still running at full speed and the phone is registering 44C. It's warm but not hot by any means.
If anyone is interested in playing around with it just look for the file in \System\etc\thermal-engine-8994.conf
Most of it is just two adjustments. One for Max temperature at which it will throttle and the one below is the temperature at which throttling stops.
probaina said:
I have been able to fix quite a bit of thermal throttling experienced in multiple benchmark runs by tweaking with the thermal-engine configuration file. With just a few changes and with the copper shim mod I can now run geekbench for as many five times with almost no drop in score. After that I get no thermal throttling in single core but I have it setup to disable two cores after it hits 55C CPU temp in core 4 and 7. I use CPU Z to see actual CPU temp from the sensor readings. Even after 8 Geekbench runs the two cores are still running at full speed and the phone is registering 44C. It's warm but not hot by any means.
If anyone is interested in playing around with it just look for the file in \System\etc\thermal-engine-8994.conf
Most of it is just two adjustments. One for Max temperature at which it will throttle and the one below is the temperature at which throttling stops.
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Without your copper shim mod have you found any better but safe values we can try?
At least no thermal throttle until 55 celsiius
It should be safe without the copper shim. The thermal pad it comes with works pretty well. It will still thermal throttle to whatever temperature you set it at so it won't cause any harm.
I've set the Big cluster to a max of 65C and a single A57 core to up to 71C and haven't had any problems yet. I used to get horrible performance with PPSSPP emulator. When running Tony Hawk Project 8 in PPSSPP after 30 seconds of gameplay It used to drop to 6fps and now it can sustain over 20fps after reaching 71C on a single A57 core. I only saw a maximum battery temperature of 40C and the device wasn't noticeably warmer than it was with the default thermal settings.
probaina said:
It should be safe without the copper shim. The thermal pad it comes with works pretty well. It will still thermal throttle to whatever temperature you set it at so it won't cause any harm.
I've set the Big cluster to a max of 65C and a single A57 core to up to 71C and haven't had any problems yet. I used to get horrible performance with PPSSPP emulator. When running Tony Hawk Project 8 in PPSSPP after 30 seconds of gameplay It used to drop to 6fps and now it can sustain over 20fps after reaching 71C on a single A57 core. I only saw a maximum battery temperature of 40C and the device wasn't noticeably warmer than it was with the default thermal settings.
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[SS-LITTLE_CLUSTER_management]
algo_type ss
sampling 10000
sensor xo_therm
device cluster0
set_point 52000
set_point_clr 42000
action_type 10000
I should change for example here set_point to 70000? This is how it works?
kutulu32 said:
[SS-LITTLE_CLUSTER_management]
algo_type ss
sampling 10000
sensor xo_therm
device cluster0
set_point 52000
set_point_clr 42000
action_type 10000
I should change for example here set_point to 70000? This is how it works?
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Well yes. Except that's the little cluster and they don't get that hot normally. It's the big cluster that needs to be modified. I also tuned my display thermals so the screen wouldn't get so dim when the phone gets warm. Here you can look over my configuration if you want.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1yve5d0m7uin0ga/thermal-engine-8994.conf?dl=0
probaina said:
Well yes. Except that's the little cluster and they don't get that hot normally. It's the big cluster that needs to be modified. I also tuned my display thermals so the screen wouldn't get so dim when the phone gets warm. Here you can look over my configuration if you want.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1yve5d0m7uin0ga/thermal-engine-8994.conf?dl=0
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Thanks i will try them!!
your settings somehow "unlocked" my phones cpu. lol in geekbench I found an increase of performance of 200 points in multicore from 4020 I had before maximum , now nearly 4300 .It is impressive. also if I run 6-7 geekbench in a row there is a decrease everytime ex 4200 4050 3900 3600..... but temperature stays 45 degree.
I will test them more later.
http://browser.primatelabs.com/user/73366
Someone try this?
Wysłane z mojego LG-H955 przy użyciu Tapatalka
Other than the two of us?
kutulu32 said:
your settings somehow "unlocked" my phones cpu. lol in geekbench I found an increase of performance of 200 points in multicore from 4020 I had before maximum , now nearly 4300 .It is impressive. also if I run 6-7 geekbench in a row there is a decrease everytime ex 4200 4050 3900 3600..... but temperature stays 45 degree.
I will test them more later.
http://browser.primatelabs.com/user/73366
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Thanks for sharing your results. That's the highest multi core score I've seen on our phones. I never gotten that high of a multi core score. Glad to help. My configuration also tweaked the battery thermal settings so now you should see faster charge times as well. The default charge rates had really conservative thermal settings and the high speed charge would drop after a while but now it will 2.2 to 2.4 amp charge through the whole charge.
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Thanks for sharing your results. That's the highest multi core score I've seen on our phones. I never gotten that high of a multi core score. Glad to help. My configuration also tweaked the battery thermal settings so now you should see faster charge times as well. The default charge rates had really conservative thermal settings and the high speed charge would drop after a while but now it will 2.2 to 2.4 amp charge through the whole charge.
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Yes indeed i saw a difference in chargin thanks for your effort in the configuration. I am not very fond of benchmarks but i run some in my devices after magor changes (firmware....). This device should have been speedier because of the full hd snapdragon 810 combination. I wonder if we delete the thermal config is the device gonna be speedier? I am waiting for 5.1.1 hoping for smoother rom. Lets hope soneone unlocks the bootloader!!!! I took my precautions disabling MLT lol
probaina said:
Well yes. Except that's the little cluster and they don't get that hot normally. It's the big cluster that needs to be modified. I also tuned my display thermals so the screen wouldn't get so dim when the phone gets warm. Here you can look over my configuration if you want.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1yve5d0m7uin0ga/thermal-engine-8994.conf?dl=0
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My phone gets really hot with those settings
I overwrote the original one ^^ has someone made a backup and can share it with me.?
I guess it depends on what you're doing but I probably wouldn't play any 3d games with those settings. Here's a copy of the original one https://www.dropbox.com/s/yb76q6qwanb9ujr/thermal-engine-8994.conf?dl=0
smouker said:
My phone gets really hot with those settings
I overwrote the original one ^^ has someone made a backup and can share it with me.?
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When you apply the settings you need to give time to the phone to 'absorve' them.
Run a couple of benchmarks, test a 4k video, reboot the phone 3-4 times, close it also.
I havent noticed higher tdmperature of 45 celsius.
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When you apply the settings you need to give time to the phone to 'absorve' them.
Run a couple of benchmarks, test a 4k video, reboot the phone 3-4 times, close it also.
I havent noticed higher tdmperature of 45 celsius.
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I noticed that haha now its fine
kutulu32 said:
Yes indeed i saw a difference in chargin thanks for your effort in the configuration. I am not very fond of benchmarks but i run some in my devices after magor changes (firmware....). This device should have been speedier because of the full hd snapdragon 810 combination. I wonder if we delete the thermal config is the device gonna be speedier? I am waiting for 5.1.1 hoping for smoother rom. Lets hope soneone unlocks the bootloader!!!! I took my precautions disabling MLT lol
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I'm not sure what would happen if you just deleted the file. Maybe it'll revert to some default, or perhaps it won't thermal throttle at all which would result in auto shut off when it overheats. Probably not worth risking it without a custom recovery in case it doesn't boot.
I have notice that my phone is way quicker now. It was fast before but now it's a beast when I push it hard. Also things like PPSSPP emulator was useless with the default thermal throttling now it can beat my Tegra note 7 with 4 A15 cores at 2.1ghz at it.
Was there a problem with your settings? I noticed your settings you had shared on dropbox are no longer available.
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Was there a problem with your settings? I noticed your settings you had shared on dropbox are no longer available.
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The folder was deleted for some odd reason. I was able to restore it so the link should work now. Let me know how it works out for you.
A few questions about these settings.
-At the top where you have SS-Little_Cluster_management and SS-Big_Cluster_management is the set point the shutdown temp for the entire cluster?
-I think this one is self explanatory by the action listed but towards the middle where CPUx_MONITOR for each core is, is the threshold the temperature at which the entire phone shuts down?
-I'm not sure I am noticing the difference between SS-CPUx and CPU_HOTPLUG_MONITOR. Could you explain these?
uh60james said:
A few questions about these settings.
-At the top where you have SS-Little_Cluster_management and SS-Big_Cluster_management is the set point the shutdown temp for the entire cluster?
-I think this one is self explanatory by the action listed but towards the middle where CPUx_MONITOR for each core is, is the threshold the temperature at which the entire phone shuts down?
-I'm not sure I am noticing the difference between SS-CPUx and CPU_HOTPLUG_MONITOR. Could you explain these?
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I don't want to assume I know everything about this. Everything I know about the thermal configuration file I learned from seeing others modify the LG G3 thermal config file. I also learned some by experimenting with my G Flex 2.
In my understanding SS-Little_Cluster_management and SS-Big_Cluster_management is the temperature at which the Cluster will thermal throttle when all cores in the cluster are being used at once. From what I've seen anything with "action_type 10000" means thermal throttle. The closest thing I can think off that works like that is how Intel I5 and I7 will limit turbo speed when more than one core is being used. Except in our case this is to prevent higher speeds when it reaches a certain temperature. So lets say your phone is running some heavy multithreaded app now it's going to follow the rules set in Cluster_management. The default Big Cluster temperature is set to start slowing things down when temperature reaches 48C and to not go back to full speed until the temperature drops down to 38C. One thing I find interesting is that at about 48C cluster temperatures was about where the Big cores would drop to a max of 1.5 ghz. So I'm just guessing that this setting may play a big part on the big cores max speed.
[CPUx_MONITOR] seems to shutdown the phone when the core reaches a certain temperature threshold of 120 C and I assume will not allow it to turn back on until it drops below 115C.
[SS-CPUx] on a big core seems to slow the specific core down when it reaches a temperature threshold of 85C and to not allow it to go to full speed until it drops below 55C. However this rule can be overwritten by [CPUx_HOTPLUG_MONITOR] which can shut down a core even if it hasn't reached it's maximum temperature threshold.
[CPUx_HOTPLUG_MONITOR] just tells the specific core to turn off once it reaches the temperature threshold specified. On the default configuration core 4 and 7 are set to turn off when their temperature goes above 50C. After that core 5 turns off at 58C and even core 6 turns off at 61C. At which point only the small cores will remain on.
I hope that helps somewhat.
Is it possible to implement gpu undervolting into a kernel for the Xperia Z5 I'm looking at you @AndroPlus XD , cpu undervolting is very much possible, it helps reduce heat and increase the lifespan of the chip, so if we can do this on the cpu why not the gpu?
For the Z5 undervolting the gpu isn't necessary.. And I dont recommend doing it either..
The reason being (from my experience and attempts at changing gpu governors and clock speeds)..
I have come across the following scenarios/issues.
1.. Changing the GPU governor from the default governor with 3CToolBox Pro to a different governor force reboots the device instantly and reverts back to default governor settings..
2. Min gpu clock speed is 180Mhz and may is 680Mhz. While playing graphically intense games the gpu barely increased in speed.. It was literally idling at 180Mhz and barely flinched up any higher. Changing the Min speed made no difference in performance.. But from what I remember device still gets hot but not hot enough to cause any concern..
If you're going to undervolt the gpu my advice would be to decrease the maximum gpu speed to like 450 or 510 because as I mentioned above, the gpu speed almost never even increases past minimum that I have noticed when monitoring.. So setting the gpu may speed down 1 or 2 levels would be better and atleast a tad safer incase of sudden voltage / overvoltage spikes..
That's just my 2 cents and friendly advice mate. But I would like to know how you go with this and would love to hear the outcome once you have gone through with the tweak. Let me know how it turns out.
Good luck bro.
Sent from my E6653
TheTecXpert said:
For the Z5 undervolting the gpu isn't necessary.. And I dont recommend doing it either..
The reason being (from my experience and attempts at changing gpu governors and clock speeds)..
I have come across the following scenarios/issues.
1.. Changing the GPU governor from the default governor with 3CToolBox Pro to a different governor force reboots the device instantly and reverts back to default governor settings..
2. Min gpu clock speed is 180Mhz and may is 680Mhz. While playing graphically intense games the gpu barely increased in speed.. It was literally idling at 180Mhz and barely flinched up any higher. Changing the Min speed made no difference in performance.. But from what I remember device still gets hot but not hot enough to cause any concern..
If you're going to undervolt the gpu my advice would be to decrease the maximum gpu speed to like 450 or 510 because as I mentioned above, the gpu speed almost never even increases past minimum that I have noticed when monitoring.. So setting the gpu may speed down 1 or 2 levels would be better and atleast a tad safer incase of sudden voltage / overvoltage spikes..
That's just my 2 cents and friendly advice mate. But I would like to know how you go with this and would love to hear the outcome once you have gone through with the tweak. Let me know how it turns out.
Good luck bro.
Sent from my E6653
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1. thats because some of the options arent even gpu govenors,
2. im pretty sure xperias newer than 2014 will have something called AVS which stands for auto voltage scaling, im not sure if this is the case with z5 but im no dev so i cant confirm my self.
and the snapdragon 810 is known for a being a cpu that gets hot, i believe the z5 has a newer version with the problem somewhat fixed but that doesnt account for sonys somewhat "meh" method of cooling but atleast its way better than before.
Just leave it on default tbh. Unless you're adamant on undervolting lol
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Have any ROG owners undervolted this device yet? What tool did you use, and most important, how's the result? I'm thinking of undervolting it by a notch for better battery life during normal use. Looking for a solution that doesn't conflict with the built-in ASUS modes and setting controls that I want to keep on the device.
Honestly can't justify it in 2021. I come from a LONG history of lowering voltages, but the phones have come a long way with battery conscious modes and other features that don't make the instability worth it now. It makes more sense to set more aggressive limitations than flat out reduce the amount of power the phone can access.
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Honestly can't justify it in 2021. I come from a LONG history of lowering voltages, but the phones have come a long way with battery conscious modes and other features that don't make the instability worth it now. It makes more sense to set more aggressive limitations than flat out reduce the amount of power the phone can access.
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Do you mean in terms of a single charge or in terms of the entire lifespan of the battery?
I tough less/optimal voltage means longer durability at least that's what they claim https://batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-808-how-to-prolong-lithium-based-batteries
Sure, undervolting can increase the lifespan of the battery. Never storing the device fully charged will also increase lifespan. Only charging between 20 and 80 will increase lifespan. There are hundreds of impractical things that will increase the lifespan, but then you need to stand by an outlet all day and only take one call between the hours of noon and three.
The thing you need to know before jumping into setting values is how Asus determined the default voltages. Nvidia, for example, sets theirs well over the efficient values. Samsung sets theirs practically right above the bare minimum. Too low and the device will short (power down) randomly. Too high and it will go supernova. Both will cause more damage than improvement.
If you do decide to modify, the best recommendation I could make is to shave off the values on the top end and leave the ones towards the bottom. At lower clock speeds, you aren't generating any real heat and there is little to gain from trying to reduce the power when it is already minimized.
Gpu undervolt you can use the app here for example
GitHub - libxzr/KonaBess: A GPU overclock & undervolt tool for sd865 855 888 765 690 750 780G 778G 8G1 8G2
A GPU overclock & undervolt tool for sd865 855 888 765 690 750 780G 778G 8G1 8G2 - GitHub - libxzr/KonaBess: A GPU overclock & undervolt tool for sd865 855 888 765 690 750 780G 778G 8G1 8G2
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Surprised there isn't a magisk module for that. Repacking the entire kernel to find out the values were too high / low seems like a hassle.
ChrisFeiveel said:
Gpu undervolt you can use the app here for example
GitHub - libxzr/KonaBess: A GPU overclock & undervolt tool for sd865 855 888 765 690 750 780G 778G 8G1 8G2
A GPU overclock & undervolt tool for sd865 855 888 765 690 750 780G 778G 8G1 8G2 - GitHub - libxzr/KonaBess: A GPU overclock & undervolt tool for sd865 855 888 765 690 750 780G 778G 8G1 8G2
github.com
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Thanks. Will take a look. Presumably it works on all 888's but have you tried it on the ROG5?
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Sure, undervolting can increase the lifespan of the battery. Never storing the device fully charged will also increase lifespan. Only charging between 20 and 80 will increase lifespan. There are hundreds of impractical things that will increase the lifespan, but then you need to stand by an outlet all day and only take one call between the hours of noon and three.
The thing you need to know before jumping into setting values is how Asus determined the default voltages. Nvidia, for example, sets theirs well over the efficient values. Samsung sets theirs practically right above the bare minimum. Too low and the device will short (power down) randomly. Too high and it will go supernova. Both will cause more damage than improvement.
If you do decide to modify, the best recommendation I could make is to shave off the values on the top end and leave the ones towards the bottom. At lower clock speeds, you aren't generating any real heat and there is little to gain from trying to reduce the power when it is already minimized.
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I hear you. I'm not going to jump into moding values, especially not on this phone. I wanted to drop the volts just slightly and see if if it gives better battery and less heat during normal use. I'll be the one to say it loud - the battery life of this device is not that impressive to be honest considering it packs whopping 6K mAh - even on an optimized & debloated device in durable mode with 5G off and display refresh rate kept low. You would expect a hungry device with the ROG5 specs but I suspect ASUS may have been a bit too aggressive with the tuning to squeeze the highest possible peak stats out of it vs the competition. Maybe they'll tweak it in future firmware updates..
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Thanks. Will take a look. Presumably it works on all 888's but have you tried it on the ROG5?
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No.
My rog 5 has been ordered but not yet delivered
I'm going a different route with it. If a kernel ever actually boots, I am trying to port an old governor that is a little more strict on when to ramp up.
Andrologic said:
Have any ROG owners undervolted this device yet? What tool did you use, and most important, how's the result? I'm thinking of undervolting it by a notch for better battery life during normal use. Looking for a solution that doesn't conflict with the built-in ASUS modes and setting controls that I want to keep on the device.
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I used konabess, I overclocked my rog 5 to 855mhz and undervolted all clocks down by 2 levels and here are my antutu results. Very minor improvements on gpu and temp. But i definitely get longer sot now while gaming.
Currently I am using SyberiaOS for playing games and have noticed that while setting thermal profile to gaming mode. The CPU temps get to 77 C and sometimes even 80 C. Though the battery temps are below 39 C. Then i performed thermal throttle test using the play store app and noticed that in the gaming profile, the CPU doesnt ever throttle which got me concerned and made me realize that in this mode, CPU throttling must be disabled.
My question is while using this mode (No CPU throttling)for 30 mins-1hr, can it damage my phone Soc, screen, etc in some way?
I play genshin impact and within 7 minutes, the phone CPU reached 77 C.
I use CPU meter to check cpu temps.
The CPU seems to maintain at 65 C at normal thermals. (With default mode).
High CPU temperature? Nothing will happen to your phone. Don't worry. When CPU temperature goes too high then Android is smart enough to throttle CPU usage at its own or even to shutdown the phone.
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High CPU temperature? Nothing will happen to your phone. Don't worry. When CPU temperature goes too high then Android is smart enough to throttle CPU usage at its own or even to shutdown the phone.
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What I am worried more about is other components of the phone. Since, while using the CPU throttle app, it didnt seem to throttle even once, so the only option here is The HW level Soc shutdown under high temps.
Must admit I don't understand what your issue is.
By disabling thermal throttling you may damage your device and at the very least will invalidate your warranty.
As previously said: There is no need for thermal throttling on phone at all, hardware does a good enough job clearing the heat.
Anyway: Look inside here
Android Phone Overheating? Here Are 11 Ways To Cool Down Your Android Phone
Smartphones are getting more advanced every day, with an increase in power and a decrease in size. However, this advancement has also led to an increase
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