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To return the GTab or open it...
After days of reading this forum and struggling with the decision, I took the plunge and opened it up--it is charging now.
My plan is to take the Rev and Paul's initial approach and hope for an amazing firmware update in the next few weeks.
First backup plan is to enter the world of "modding" it, like the Rev ended up doing?
Second backup is to return to store on basis of incorrect package advertising.
For modders, it is a keeper already, but I would say 90% of folks (non-modders) liking or not liking this device, will hinge on the just released update.
trevoc,
I still have one machine which is "stock" at least so far as it gets OTA updates.
But I have enjoyed playing with mine so much I have purchased another one just to mod and play with.
Rev
P. S. -- You have to remember I go wayyyyyyy back. My first computer was a Heathkit I assembled part-by-part from directions. First IBM PC was not even out yet!
I love my toys!!!
Have a Merry and Blessed Christmas!!!
heathkit
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Did you have the single or double sided 8" floppy drive
Built that same kit with my dad when I was about 12 I think
Well, I started off thinking I might return it also at the 30day limit. But ended up likingit so, much I kept it well past the limit. Just wating on my stands to arrive.
thebadfrog,
I initially only had 5-1/4" drives, but later got the bios code from Heath and hacked the assembly code to add a pair of 8" drives. Can you imagine a WHOLE 1.2 megs of storage on one floppy disk. One of my best fun projects ever.
But I don't want to hijack this thread reminiscing. Thanks for asking.
Rev
i do like the phone and partially like win7 mobile but i was wanting to run android ive tried the info but i cannot get anything to work.
htc 7 pro mobile running wm7
also reading some articles im scared to update what is best and safe for this phone i have stock firmware never updated as of new.
thanks
You cannot run Android on Windows Phone. End of story.
well how are others running android , its not impossible from what ive read. your a bit defeatist lmaO.
if wp7 can run Android, we would have run both on our device.
Actually due to wp7s locked down nature it could not, within reason, dual-boot. You could certainly port android to it given the time but you couldn't jump the android partition from wp7. I suppose it may be possible to flash android onto it (terrible is that it is) and create something to launch the wp7 partition from there but even then it's highly unlikely. There are a few devices supposedly dual-booting over in China but I would be more likely to bet that they're just generic hd7s and needed a free is to use. Regardless, its not happening any time soon and I don't know why you'd want that bug infested laggy garbage on your phone anyway.
they got the HD7 running Android.. and that's it.. pretty much because it is identical to the HD2.. which has been hacked to run android for a long time.
it might be possible for other HTC phones now that they're able to do custom roms.. but there are no guarantees.
If you wanted an android device, why didn't you just buy an android?
they have better hardware available and more flexible software..
Didn't see this anywhere, if it is sorry. This would be awesome though. I love android but ububtu if done correctly would be awesome.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/ubuntu-linux-heads-to-smartphones-tablets-and-smart-tvs/9834
(let's hope a couple of trolls don't jack this thread with "let's hope they don't steal from apple like android" or some other android hater rants.)
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I'm interested in this too!
That could be interesting. I'm a long time Ubuntu user but I recently stopped using it due to Gnome 3 / Unity- really not my cup of tea. I remember thinking at the time that it was better suited to smaller screens/tablets, so maybe that was the plan all along
Don't know how close android is to linux, think it uses a linux kernel, but it would be awesome if it could use android apps like I think blackberry's playback.
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I've kinda lost faith in them since the 11.10 update. But maybe they will redeem themselves.
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Of course.
I am already trying to get Ubuntu (console version) running on my already existing mobile phones.
For phones they would need to create a suitable gui and phone apps of course (phone book, dialer, etc.). Could be nice.
Don't see Ubuntu on my smartphone but it'll be awesome to install it on tablet.
This looks awesome! I can't wait to see the final product.
Looks nice, a good mobile Linux build not made by Nokia... Epic. I know many who want a real Linux phone.
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I've kinda lost faith in them since the 11.10 update. But maybe they will redeem themselves.
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i hate ubuntu 11.10.
and ubuntu would be cool on a phone. they would have to cut a deal with a phone company in order to do it, however. and HTC, samsung, LG... etc... they are already running a linux OS with android. it will be a long time before it is mainstream, and it would not have google supporting it (which would obviously have pros and cons) but i would stick with android simply because it is what i am used to at this point. ubuntu is more of a developer platform and it would basically just be bare bones on a phone. no market, hardly any apps, etc... it wouldn't give me the same experience i would want on a phone.
Kailkti said:
I've kinda lost faith in them since the 11.10 update. But maybe they will redeem themselves.
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You can change unity (the Ugly UI) with other things. XFCE & KDE are booth good choices.
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I hope ubuntu can take the lead of Meego and bring something good for real. Having a real linux with X11 is so practical. At lest for me.
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You can change unity (the Ugly UI) with other things. XFCE & KDE are booth good choices.
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I hope ubuntu can take the lead of Meego and bring something good for real. Having a real linux with X11 is so practical. At lest for me.
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Oh no i am fine with the ui. Well not so much for it to be the reason I am disappointed. I am disappointed because the update brought many bugs and the system got slower, Atleast for me. It's just not efficient or functional as it should have been.
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And please bring freedom to our phones:
free to install any other operating system / mod
open bootloader of course
no way to brick it by flashing something wrong (simply as you can not brick your computer by installing linux)
Me too that is what open source is about anyway.
Kailkti said:
Oh no i am fine with the ui. Well not so much for it to be the reason I am disappointed. I am disappointed because the update brought many bugs and the system got slower, Atleast for me. It's just not efficient or functional as it should have been.
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I suggest you go with Archlinux or Gentoo (if you got more time) and no more you need to wait for upgrading your distro. Simple update and you are done.
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I suggest you go with Archlinux or Gentoo (if you got more time) and no more you need to wait for upgrading your distro. Simple update and you are done.
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Thanks for the answer. But I just downgraded back to 11.04 when I experienced 11.10.
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Thanks for the answer. But I just downgraded back to 11.04 when I experienced 11.10.
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Well, good luck in whatever you pick
bagers said:
And please bring freedom to our phones:
free to install any other operating system / mod
open bootloader of course
no way to brick it by flashing something wrong (simply as you can not brick your computer by installing linux)
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There's so much fail in this post. OS's are dependent on supported hardware, so you'll never have total freedom on OS choice. Bootloaders are always opened up within a month or two of a device being released, private party or otherwise. And yes, you can "brick" your PC if you are a numbskull and improperly load an OS or wipe critical files, it's just much simpler to recover. Phones lack an external keyboard, cd-rom drives, etc, so loading external recovery media or getting to a recovery point is more difficult.
FYI: One reason why carriers don't like users messing with mobile devices is because the majority are on contract extensions, so basically you pay a lowered subsidized cost on the phone in return for your business. This means that they have a vested financial interest in your mobile device. PC's, you buy outright. You don't go under contract to buy a new PC (except for credit card or financing, but they don't care what you buy, you just need to pay back).
As far as Ubuntu mobile, it's a great idea, but it's a pipe dream for at least the next 5 years. There's just too little support and mainstream use for that, and you have Ubuntu backing it, not "household" names like Google, Apple, Microsoft, etc. PC's is a completely different target market than mobile devices.
more recent ubuntu isn't coded for armv6 but runs on armv7.
I read anything from lucid on up is only for armv7 or better.
my armv6 optimus v does a lovely job of running the full desktop armel debian squeeze (or sid) in a chroot; it just needs hardware drivers to straight-up boot debian instead of running it with android at the same time.
it wouldn't be that hard to release it as a mobile os, except for the proprietary drivers on all the different phones and tablets.
i hope we can install it on older WinMo hardware
Sorry if this question or something similar has already been asked, but I searched the 10.1 2014 boards, as well as these boards, and did not find the answer to my question.
Basically, I am curious to know if anyone knows if it is possible to install firmware designed for the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition on the original (2012). I am really starting to get tired waiting around for the 4.3 or 4.4 update (or even 4.2!), which at this point I really don't think is coming, and since the 2014 Edition ships with 4.3, I thought flashing 2014 Edition 4.3 firmware would potentially be a way to finally get 4.3 on my device!
If anyone knows if this is possible, please let me know! I don't want to risk just trying it out to see if it works for fear of bricking my device.
Thanks!
If only it were that easy...sorry....no it is not possible.
elzeus said:
If only it were that easy...sorry....no it is not possible.
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Aww. Damn. I was really hoping this could be a solution to updating my tablet, since Samsung has clearly abandoned this device.
Oh well, it was worth a shot!
Just CPU is impossible. Not to mention 2014 edition has 4x more screen resolution.
If you are interested in trying custom roms, then you may have some choices to try newer OS.
For example http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2550308
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enigma_x said:
If you are interested in trying custom roms, then you may have some choices to try newer OS.
For example http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2550308
Sent from my Galaxy Note 10.1 (N8000).
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How do you put back some of the Samsung apps that have been left out by the OMNI Team?
That's why it is better to check differend roms and then decide if it is worth to try them. Omni was just an example and with many replies on that thread to realize that custom roms are not the same as an official and you may loose some Samsung features if those are important.
Sent from my Galaxy Note 10.1 (N8000).
I hate my life and i wanna die , i aint got no update -_-
Unlike windows OS where same version can be installed on any PC which got min hardware requirements,Android is fragmented in such a way that its impossible to use a later version device OS on an old device even if its same brand.I believe soon these vendor specific alterations (such as Touchwiz) will be optional or removable.And then it may be possible to upgrade the core android alone like in nexus devices and vendors only need to update their styled UIs and applications in play store.
MoNsTeRmUk said:
I hate my life and i wanna die , i aint got no update -_-
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You will probably appreciate this:
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-lays-out-which-devices-will-get-android-442-kitkat
Hopefully we actually get the update this time! It wouldn't be the first time we never got a promised update.
Yes and NO WAY Will it happen
fulltank said:
Unlike windows OS where same version can be installed on any PC which got min hardware requirements,Android is fragmented in such a way that its impossible to use a later version device OS on an old device even if its same brand.I believe soon these vendor specific alterations (such as Touchwiz) will be optional or removable.And then it may be possible to upgrade the core android alone like in nexus devices and vendors only need to update their styled UIs and applications in play store.
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The first part of this i agree with .But my opinion is the Venders make such changes to the os Not just to brand it and make it there own. They do this in a way so that you Can not Continue to get OS updates for years down the road. Even months on some lower end devices. This is to make the Device no longer viable and force you into buying a new device. We live in A Corp. Created disposable Goods. If things last they make less money..
I Also believe many people are getting tired of this.It could be what brings windows tablets to a top running in the mobile market.
I have been looking very hard at the true cpu tablets that are coming out. Prices coming down as well.
erica_renee said:
I Also believe many people are getting tired of this.It could be what brings windows tablets to a top running in the mobile market. I have been looking very hard at the true cpu tablets that are coming out. Prices coming down as well.
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Well that's one of the many reasons why I'm really excited about Ubuntu Touch / Ubuntu Mobile / Ubuntu for Phones, or whatever the hell they are calling it these days (lol it seems like they change their mind on which of those 3 it actually is every other day). If everything goes well, we should see the first Ubuntu powered mobile devices later this year. Things were looking a little squirrely for a while, with Ubuntu unable to partner with any OEMs, but just a few days ago they released a statement that they have entered into production deals with the OEMs BQ (from Spain) and Meizu (from China). They also plan on selling Ubuntu powered devices world-wide via their website once they start production. These devices I think are really going to be the best combination between power and utility, combining the best of the full computer and mobile worlds. I just wish the Ubuntu Edge had succeeded! THAT woulda been the greatest mobile device ever! Just imagine the high end tablets running Ubuntu that phone would have inspired had it actually been made.
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Well that's one of the many reasons why I'm really excited about Ubuntu Touch / Ubuntu Mobile / Ubuntu for Phones, or whatever the hell they are calling it these days (lol it seems like they change their mind on which of those 3 it actually is every other day). If everything goes well, we should see the first Ubuntu powered mobile devices later this year. Things were looking a little squirrely for a while, with Ubuntu unable to partner with any OEMs, but just a few days ago they released a statement that they have entered into production deals with the OEMs BQ (from Spain) and Meizu (from China). They also plan on selling Ubuntu powered devices world-wide via their website once they start production. These devices I think are really going to be the best combination between power and utility, combining the best of the full computer and mobile worlds. I just wish the Ubuntu Edge had succeeded! THAT woulda been the greatest mobile device ever! Just imagine the high end tablets running Ubuntu that phone would have inspired had it actually been made.
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ubuntu touch is a patched version of CM With a custom user interface. Its not going to be a FULL BLOWN operating system. its another mobile os. And development is moving slow.
This is from what i read last year anyway
erica_renee said:
ubuntu touch is a patched version of CM With a custom user interface. Its not going to be a FULL BLOWN operating system. its another mobile os. And development is moving slow.
This is from what i read last year anyway
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I'm sorry to tell you, but you are SORELY misinformed. The final release will be a full and complete version of Ubuntu. The ultimate plan is to have 1 operating system for all devices with a different user interface depending on the interface system available. When using as a phone or tablet, the mobile interface will be present, the tablet version being slightly different and optimized for larger screens. Now take an Ubuntu phone or tablet and plug it into a dock with screen and keyboard and the regular Unity Ubuntu desktop will appear. Read up on it on their website. The next LTS release of Ubuntu is supposed to do away with the separate Ubuntu Touch moniker completely. At that point, the exact same Ubuntu you install on your computer is the Ubuntu you install on your mobile device. This is the concept of convergence that is so central to the system they are developing.
margentieri said:
I'm sorry to tell you, but you are SORELY misinformed. The final release will be a full and complete version of Ubuntu. The ultimate plan is to have 1 operating system for all devices with a different user interface depending on the interface system available. When using as a phone or tablet, the mobile interface will be present, the tablet version being slightly different and optimized for larger screens. Now take an Ubuntu phone or tablet and plug it into a dock with screen and keyboard and the regular Unity Ubuntu desktop will appear. Read up on it on their website. The next LTS release of Ubuntu is supposed to do away with the separate Ubuntu Touch moniker completely. At that point, the exact same Ubuntu you install on your computer is the Ubuntu you install on your mobile device. This is the concept of convergence that is so central to the system they are developing.
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wow that would amazing if possible. I looked at the ubuntu again on my nexus and its still nothing more then a user interface that does not work right and has no practical use other then to see what it might look like if it actually became something real..
But anyway i was no trying to argue with you. I just do not think its something we will see anytime soon.
erica_renee said:
wow that would amazing if possible. I looked at the ubuntu again on my nexus and its still nothing more then a user interface that does not work right and has no practical use other then to see what it might look like if it actually became something real..
But anyway i was no trying to argue with you. I just do not think its something we will see anytime soon.
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Yea, right now it is still in development and is not at the point of convergence. That should be changing this year, however.
margentieri said:
You will probably appreciate this:
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-lays-out-which-devices-will-get-android-442-kitkat
Hopefully we actually get the update this time! It wouldn't be the first time we never got a promised update.
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I hope so..........
Thanks anyway
and i was actually singing on my comment
Check it out ^_^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pjLKjER-xQ
Sorry i got if i got the Title wrong but pretty much what im trying to get at is what is everyone's opinion on what the next OS from a Phone OEM? (HTC LG Samsung) it could have been that Samsung was jealous of Motorola's spotlight when google bought Moto back in (2012 was it? seems like a long time ago) and Samsung decided to make android less "Android" with the Galaxy notePRO 12.1 Launcher. Samsung also made the the new Samsung Gear 2 / neo (note that they dropped the galaxy name) With their own Ti zen OS instead of android like the previous model (there are reports of that new Tizen phone coming out aswell, it could be that they are just trying to try something new). what i'm trying to get at is does anyone else think HTC or LG or Motorola or Lenovo or whoever produces android phones/tablets make Slap android in the face with their own OS? i think this "Could" be the beginning of androids downfall
please Bark at me i want to see everyone's opinion!
To me it looks like Android is the first mobile OS to be so widely used by so many different manufacturers. And the OEM operating systems are the ones that usually fade. So to me, anything is possible. Nokia had Symbian, only one or two phones for other brands were ever made. Each had their own locked in operating system.. Windows mobile was always around but never got anywhere without Nokia and that is probably where it will stay..
Basically, things are different now. I have a feeling this new Samsung OS will be lower end? The only way Android would lose its place I think, is if another OEM independent OS came to challenge it.
Phenom2122 said:
To me it looks like Android is the first mobile OS to be so widely used by so many different manufacturers. And the OEM operating systems are the ones that usually fade. So to me, anything is possible. Nokia had Symbian, only one or two phones for other brands were ever made. Each had their own locked in operating system.. Windows mobile was always around but never got anywhere without Nokia and that is probably where it will stay..
Basically, things are different now. I have a feeling this new Samsung OS will be lower end? The only way Android would lose its place I think, is if another OEM independent OS came to challenge it.
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interesting thought, its obvious that it will take lots of effort to make android lose its place but i was only wanting to see other peoples thought on it, i agree with Tizen OS being low end, its supposed to be able to run android apps like Jolla and the newest blackberry tablet, for now all tizen looks like is a run down version of Touchwiz UX. hopefully nothing special, if its open source? hell yeah im going to get one. i am really interested how XDA is going to take on it.
I highly doubt it would be open source! To most of these companies that are truly focussed on money making that sort of thing is an abomination. Nokia planned to make Symbian open source, unfortunately there werea couple of other companies who had been involved in it's creation who blocked this at the last minute. I have a feeling Samsung might have been one of those companies but I might be wrong.. (I really miss Symbian by the way, nothing could multitask and do hard work like it, not even my S4 mini. And it ran on such low end specs! If it could have been used with today's hardware they would have had dynamite. I believe Nokia were trying to give a gift to their community before their demise and they were halted by greed, now Symbian is gone anyway)
All that said, I really don't think it will be open source, I believe it's true purpose is the opposite of that. Phone manufacturers don't seem to like their buyers actually truly owning their devices for some reason. I would love to try all these things out but Nokia was all I could ever afford, my S4 mini was a gift.
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I highly doubt it would be open source! To most of these companies that are truly focussed on money making that sort of thing is an abomination. Nokia planned to make Symbian open source, unfortunately there werea couple of other companies who had been involved in it's creation who blocked this at the last minute. I have a feeling Samsung might have been one of those companies but I might be wrong.. (I really miss Symbian by the way, nothing could multitask and do hard work like it, not even my S4 mini. And it ran on such low end specs! If it could have been used with today's hardware they would have had dynamite. I believe Nokia were trying to give a gift to their community before their demise and they were halted by greed, now Symbian is gone anyway)
All that said, I really don't think it will be open source, I believe it's true purpose is the opposite of that. Phone manufacturers don't seem to like their buyers actually truly owning their devices for some reason. I would love to try all these things out but Nokia was all I could ever afford, my S4 mini was a gift.
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did a little research https://www.tizen.org/ your saying at last moment tizen will also become closed?
You are right, I was actually talking without really knowing. I had the impression it was a Samsung made OS but I see on the website it is by the 'Linux Foundation', interesting.
My cynical nature thinks they will go closed source upon release, once they have had all the help in the world from the community. But I do not know. If it comes to more devices then just Samsung, maybe there is hope.
Maybe it depends on who ends up with licensing.
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You are right, I was actually talking without really knowing. I had the impression it was a Samsung made OS but I see on the website it is by the 'Linux Foundation', interesting.
My cynical nature thinks they will go closed source upon release, once they have had all the help in the world from the community. But I do not know. If it comes to more devices then just Samsung, maybe there is hope.
Maybe it depends on who ends up with licensing.
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i doubt it would come upon other OEM devices, but so far since its open source and based on Linux, does that mean they are going to try to copy android (samsung can never think up of their own things huh? lots of apple lawsuits.)? if it will stay open source, does that mean we get some kind of control with flashing New OS's? (custom roms) i cant wait for it xD, samsungs old Bada OS was a great start.
It would be a pity if it was a knock off of Android or even resembled the Touchwiz UI. Those law suits were stupid because this is how phones have looked and behaved for years and years.
I would like to see a more pure Linux for mobile phones. There are so many Linux desktop environments that would be great on a phone. Enlightenment, Gnome 3 and of course Ubuntu's own Unity (at least they have the right idea). And there is no reason it shouldn't be able to run the same programs as on desktop Linux, many phones out power older Linux compatible PCs these days.
If Tizen was pure Linux with a completely fresh UI for a phone that has not been done before and completely open to the user, I would make every plan possible to get hold of one. It sounds so much like a dream that I think we will just be disappointed.
We need more open devices around first before we can have more open OSs and choices, as far as I see it.
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It would be a pity if it was a knock off of Android or even resembled the Touchwiz UI. Those law suits were stupid because this is how phones have looked and behaved for years and years.
I would like to see a more pure Linux for mobile phones. There are so many Linux desktop environments that would be great on a phone. Enlightenment, Gnome 3 and of course Ubuntu's own Unity (at least they have the right idea). And there is no reason it shouldn't be able to run the same programs as on desktop Linux, many phones out power older Linux compatible PCs these days.
If Tizen was pure Linux with a completely fresh UI for a phone that has not been done before and completely open to the user, I would make every plan possible to get hold of one. It sounds so much like a dream that I think we will just be disappointed.
We need more open devices around first before we can have more open OSs and choices, as far as I see it.
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Right? im surprised a developer has not started a kick-starter to help with making a Open source Phone with most likely pure linux running atop. Bada OS (samsungs old OS, pretty much what tizen is now) has lots of common areas with touchwiz UI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada probably around the Galaxy s2 look though. and they changed from touchwiz on tizen because intel is working with them. cant wait to see how Jolla sailfish and nemo mobile will do.