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Hi. I'm new and I hope you can help me.
My Moto G is about to arrive and I was wondering what's the first thing I should do with it? Should I charge it right out of the box? Should I turn it on and then charge? How long should the first charge be?
Also, I have read this phone has alot of problems with charging, especially when the battery gets to 0%. What are your suggestions to prevent these problems (such as the phone not turning on/charging, etc)?
Thanks in advance.
Just take it out of the box and use it like you have it for months. No special care needed.
The battery drop problem occurs to some users due to unknown reasons, possibly coz of use of noisy/bad charges or improper charge via computer usb port.
xzifi said:
Hi. I'm new and I hope you can help me.
My Moto G is about to arrive and I was wondering what's the first thing I should do with it? Should I charge it right out of the box? Should I turn it on and then charge? How long should the first charge be?
Also, I have read this phone has alot of problems with charging, especially when the battery gets to 0%. What are your suggestions to prevent these problems (such as the phone not turning on/charging, etc)?
Thanks in advance.
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OMGoodness..Sir..
Certainly, Moto recommends a full charge before using the device, like everyone else does..but..consider the battery is at a low activity state, and charge at least to 50%..because you'll need it for initial setup..its just a precaution..you certainly can wait for a good charge on the device..boot to stock settings..charge..then proceed..
Everyone has opinions on this matter..but..boot, charge..surely one CAN wait that long, for a 50% charge..LOL
I own (1) XT1028 and (2) XT1045's and have no trouble with battery issues..its all in how you maintain the charge..A backup, external battery that is OTG USB is nice to have with you at all times, just incase..
The way we treat/maintain the device battery, is the life of that battery..
Anyhow..you will certainly be pleased with your new Moto G..
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xzifi said:
Hi. I'm new and I hope you can help me.
My Moto G is about to arrive and I was wondering what's the first thing I should do with it? Should I charge it right out of the box? Should I turn it on and then charge? How long should the first charge be?
Also, I have read this phone has alot of problems with charging, especially when the battery gets to 0%. What are your suggestions to prevent these problems (such as the phone not turning on/charging, etc)?
Thanks in advance.
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Battery-wise since Li-Ion it isn't better to perform full cycles, in fact, the most healthy thing for a Lithium based battery is to keep it between 40% and 80% all the time, and to store it at 40-60% charge.
That full cycle and stuff are useful for other kinds of batteries, but on Lithium you there's little you can do as the battery isn't new when you buy the device (they charge it and let it go 40-60% charge to store it for retail since it is the best for lithium). It is actually bad for the battery to go over 85% charge as it increases the chance to get undesired reactions in the cells that degrade the capacity. I'm impressed at how manufacturers confuse people with weird battery myths in their user manuals...
I know the G5 is new but there is one that has 3600mah. Now I haven't tried that brand but i know a user who used one and loved it for his G3. Now you may want a Charger cause on my testing I charged the original battery and I got a SOTof 5HRs and with the USB CABLE I got 3HRs so yeah think about it
PowerBank Charger Case 3800mah
Lpower 3600mah
Charger
NOHON 2800mah
TQTHL 3500mah
LG G5 Battery TrendON+Charger
Tempted to buy one
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WAIDroid said:
I know the G5 is new but there is one that has 3600mah found at AliExpress. Now I haven't tried that brand but i know a user who used one and loved it for his G3. Now you may want a Battery Charger cause on my testing I charged the original battery and I got a SOT of 5HRs and with the USB CABLE I got 3HRs so yeah think about it
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Thanks
Nice find.
Look at my Thread on the G4 Thread for some Info.
Ok guys i added a LG G5 Battery TrendON+Charger to my First Post. Have Fun
Is those big batterys really bigger than normal or is it only like value printed to battery? Its weird that if its possible to add bigger battery with same size than original, why LG didnt do it then?
zige said:
Are those big batteries really bigger than normal or is it only like value printed to battery? Its weird that if its possible to add bigger battery with same size than original, why LG didn't do it then?
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I'm not sure but you buy one to try out. My batteries for the G4 seem correct
Has anybody tried/tested these high capacity batteries?
Do they fit the phone? Do they last longer?
Got mine on Saturday and still can't tell yet.
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Ive got the 3200mah battery but there isnt an app that confirms the actual capacity. As far as longevity...it feels the same as 2800mah honestly. I'll run a test and report back.
Uhh, judging by the images on the webpage that 3800mAh charging case isn;t actually made for the G5. It appears to have a microUSB connection instead of a type-C and also the camera cutout is completely wrong. I suggest removing it from the list unless someone has bought it and can confirm that the images aren't representative of the actual product.
As always be wary of batteries from random manufacturers on alibaba. Every single time someone's phone explodes in their pocket the investigation discovered it was a non-OEM battery from China.
From my experience with my old galaxy s3, any battery that claims to be a higher capacity than the stock and is the same size, normally is garbage. The fact of the matter is, if there was a way to get more power into the same amount of space, lg would've done it in the first place with the OEM battery. So unless you just want a cheap extra battery that may (or may not) explode, I'd suggest sticking with OEM or first party stuff.
Ok well my G4 with all these battery apps. They all tell the same capacity 2800mah as there's a chip in the battery/phones/kernel that the capacity stored and locked to 2800mah. Now I have an App. That you can edit the battery capacity in the settings. I'll link it in a few
Battery Monitor
No. That is not the case for 'every single' time a phone has set on fire at all.
Hi to all,
I just wanted to make a debate about the real capacity of our phones batteries.
That's because I found an app that allows us to measure the real capacity and I found a quite astonishing result: it seems like my battery has the same behaviour as a 2200mAh ones!
In fact, with all connection active (Bluetooth, Wifi, LTE, synchronization..) I barely reach 3h of SOT daily.
I used 3C toolbox (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ccc71.at.free) using the instructions in this answer (https://android.stackexchange.com/q...ity-of-a-battery-in-mah-received-fake-battery in "How to measure actual capacity using 3C Toolbox").
Also if you can advise different apps and methods to do this, I would be very happy.
Thanks to all!
The real battery capacity is the advertised one. 3000-3080mAh.
Xiaomi uses lower binned batteries which degrade a bit faster over time. An app can't measure the real battery capacity or estimate it accurately. The SOC we have is power hungry and inefficient, that's why it's so hot too.
I think it's 1500 mah or something like that. I get only 2 or 2.5 hours screen on time. The results has been never changed which i've tried several roms.
Cozzmy13 said:
The real battery capacity is the advertised one. 3000-3080mAh.
Xiaomi uses lower binned batteries which degrade a bit faster over time. An app can't measure the real battery capacity or estimate it accurately. The SOC we have is power hungry and inefficient, that's why it's so hot too.
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Well, the app don't measure the battery capacity, but how much current flows in when it's charging.
So you're saying that the main problem is the age of the battery..
Do you think that changing battery may improve the result?
3h sot is normal, when used from morning till evening. When used continually, I get 5-6h sot. An app cannot accurately measure battery capacity. This phone, like many others, is built to last a day with moderate usage...
Brunnys said:
Hi to all, I just wanted to make a debate about the real capacity of our phones batteries.
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Also if you can advise different apps and methods to do this, I would be very happy. Thanks to all!
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Hello, this is a very interesting topic, so I decided to check the real capacity of my Mi4c's battery with one of these. When the phone turned off at 0% I recharged it to 100%, while still off, with the following result: 1.76Ah @ 8.8V as I was using a QC2 charger. Let's translate it to the battery's 3.8V assuming 80% charging circuit conversion efficiency:
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((8.8 * 1.76) / 3.8) * 0.8 = 3.2Ah
My battery is 6 months old and seems to be slightly better than specified.
If you use a 5V non-QC charger try one of these to measure it and assume higher 90% efficiency. Android battery apps are useless, please check it out with a hardware meter...
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I'm already running third battery with my mi4c, all three tested with a similar hardware meter:
1. original battery, but already with signs of being worn out (shutdowns, sudden voltage drops) ~12Wh, not tested as being new
2. aliexpress replacement (getting worn out after 3months of use) ~13Wh
3. some battery I've got at local online shop that seller claims to be original (not 100% sure, but dimensions and weight match the original one) - sligthly over 14Wh
4. -another mi4c, as it was brand new- just over 14Wh from empty to max; surely the battery is in good condition as the one can reach 6h SoT
and I've tried different chargers (QC,non-QC) and no go - no way to see 15Wh or more being transmitted in one charge on both mi4c's I've got at home
Find out about battery behaviour of Nexus 5x, as its specs are very similar to mi4c's and compare battery capacity and standby/sot
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Find out about battery behaviour of Nexus 5x, as its specs are very similar to mi4c's and compare battery capacity and standby/sot
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And our battery behavior is a lot better.
Should I consider the values from /sys/class/power_supply/bms/ valid?
charge_full = 1983000
charge_full_design = 3071000
Does that mean that my battery capacity is now only ~2000 mAh?
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charge_now_raw reports 2952776 when my battery level is 98%. So something is definitely wrong there.
Writing more stats for comparison:
cycle_count: 20430
resistance: 279541
esr_count: 63
voltage_now: 4223995
voltage_ocv: 4323094
capacity_raw: 9495
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...and I've tried different chargers (QC,non-QC) and no go - no way to see 15Wh or more being transmitted in one charge on both mi4c's I've got at home
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Your results are fine but you're not accounting for the efficiency of charging which also decreases with higher...
charger's voltage
meter's internal resistance
connecting cable and contacts resistance
My 15.7Wh on the meter is actually around 15.7*0.8=12.5Wh on the battery.
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Should I consider the values from /sys/class/power_supply/bms/ valid?
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Some of them are definitively valid, others depend on type/firmware version of the control chip integrated in your battery. Here are mine:
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POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=bms
POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY=51
POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY_RAW=5143
POWER_SUPPLY_CURRENT_NOW=432278
POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_NOW=3837410
POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_OCV=3874031
POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_MAX_DESIGN=4400000
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW=0
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW_RAW=1481002
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW_ERROR=98504
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=3101000
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL_DESIGN=3071000
POWER_SUPPLY_TEMP=285
POWER_SUPPLY_TEMP_COOL=0
POWER_SUPPLY_TEMP_WARM=450
POWER_SUPPLY_RESISTANCE=110778
POWER_SUPPLY_RESISTANCE_ID=50306
POWER_SUPPLY_BATTERY_TYPE=x11_atl
POWER_SUPPLY_UPDATE_NOW=0
POWER_SUPPLY_ESR_COUNT=64
POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_MIN=1
POWER_SUPPLY_CYCLE_COUNT=0
It was measured with the power gauge at around 55%. My CYCLE_COUNT is surely higher than 0 after 6 months of use, and your CYCLE_COUNT=20430 is simply impossible
I'd more believe your charge_now_raw = 2952776 than charge_full = 1983000.
Incidentally, the simplest way to get these stats is from TWRP in ADB:
Code:
adb shell cat /sys/class/power_supply/bms/* > bms.txt
Hey guys, long time no see
I did not see the thread, but i went on with my speculations on the same matter.
I bought this from amazon https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B00NPVZHAO/ because i wanted to test my day-one mi4c battery.
It has roughly one year and a half.
Well...from 0 to 100% it gets a whopping 1617 mAh (see the attachment).
I was disappointed, but hey, maybe i had a degraded battery to start with, and since i never measured before i went on to buy a new original one.
Well, yesterday it arrived. changed it, discharged to 0%, charged to 100%.
Okay, it's only the first cycle, but...
1800 mAh
I guess advertised capacity is a long way from the real one?
After all, if this is correct my old battery degraded by 10% in 18 months...and that's realistic.
Please tell me i'm wrong.
I bought it for this job and I wait. But unfortunately there is not much hope
Nexus 5x has very similar specs and very similar SOT. Also, the original qc charger is supposed to charge using 5v,9v and 12v, not only 5v. What does that say about your research? Either both manufacturers lie, or you're doing something wrong.
I get anywhere from typical 3h(usage from morning till night) to 6h(continuous movie watching using streaming). For the record...
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Nexus 5x has very similar specs and very similar SOT. Also, the original qc charger is supposed to charge using 5v,9v and 12v, not only 5v. What does that say about your research? Either both manufacturers lie, or you're doing something wrong.
I get anywhere from typical 3h(usage from morning till night) to 6h(continuous movie watching using streaming). For the record...
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I took the photo with the phone disconnected, but i remember that during charging it's at steady 8.91 v and 1.02 A
I'll take new pics after some charge cycles with the new battery and post the results.
alterbang said:
Well...from 0 to 100% it gets a whopping 1617 mAh (see the attachment).
I was disappointed...
I guess advertised capacity is a long way from the real one?
Please tell me i'm wrong.
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Yes, please read my earlier post in this thread.
alterbang said:
I took the photo with the phone disconnected, but i remember that during charging it's at steady 8.91 v and 1.02 A
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((8.91 * 1.617) / 3.8) * 0.8 = 3.03Ah
Which is exactly as advertised by the manufacturer.
No need to change batteries, your SOT is low because of the awful apps you use. For example, did you know that "uninstalling Facebook app saves up to 20% of Android battery life"? You can still use FB and its notifications without the app - read the article.
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((8.91 * 1.617) / 3.8) * 0.8 = 3.03Ah
Which is exactly as advertised by the manufacturer.
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Thanks @k23m, i felt like a student again but after reviewing your formula you are right.
I though the tool's mAh measurement were already adjusted for the battery's voltage, but as you showed we still need to do some math.
I guess that i didn't need a new battery after all, but now that i have one it's certainly better!
I don't have issues with SoT, i do 5-6h on TS CM13 (i stay on marshmallow for xposed) but i just wanted to test battery degradation.
I will still post new battery results after a few cycles.
alterbang said:
Hey guys, long time no see
I did not see the thread, but i went on with my speculations on the same matter.
I bought this from amazon https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B00NPVZHAO/ because i wanted to test my day-one mi4c battery.
It has roughly one year and a half.
Well...from 0 to 100% it gets a whopping 1617 mAh (see the attachment).
I was disappointed, but hey, maybe i had a degraded battery to start with, and since i never measured before i went on to buy a new original one.
Well, yesterday it arrived. changed it, discharged to 0%, charged to 100%.
Okay, it's only the first cycle, but...
1800 mAh
I guess advertised capacity is a long way from the real one?
After all, if this is correct my old battery degraded by 10% in 18 months...and that's realistic.
Please tell me i'm wrong.
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Where did you get the original battery? There are always fake on the internet.
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Where did you get the original battery? There are always fake on the internet.
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ebay battery seller with 20k feedback 99%+ positive.
I never saw the oem parts of xiaomi on the internet but I dont know i hope this original.
Purchased UNBRANDED 3670mAh battery meant for the G4 Play (we use the same battery), will post SOT information/burn photos here.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Rechar...la-Moto-G4-Play-XT1607-CellPhone/182477310377
Are there any reputable companies making a 3670mAh battery for our phone GK40?
here is moto g5 forum
you think the battery have the same dimensions?
Lithium-Ion 4550 mAh
Attached photos of purchased battery. Battery itself displays as 4550mAh with 3.94V reading from the multimeter. Can anyone identify the maker?
Confirming fitment in XT1676 and powering up, phone functioning properly. Will be doing a few cycles on the OEM battery to compare aftermarket results.
Bah! Of course they only ship to the united states.
where are you bought from? Thanks
omgdwong said:
Purchased UNBRANDED 3670mAh battery meant for the G4 Play (we use the same battery)
Are there any reputable companies making a 3670mAh battery for our phone GK40?
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Attached photos of purchased battery. Battery itself displays as 4550mAh with 3.94V reading from the multimeter. Can anyone identify the maker? Confirming fitment in XT1676 and powering up, phone functioning properly. Will be doing a few cycles on the OEM battery to compare aftermarket results.
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Wow so nice to hear this..! Stock 2.8Ah is so small and barely makes a day. Do tell us updates if your "hack" becomes successful and also share some screenshots..
omgdwong said:
Attached photos of purchased battery. Battery itself displays as 4550mAh with 3.94V reading from the multimeter. Can anyone identify the maker?
Confirming fitment in XT1676 and powering up, phone functioning properly. Will be doing a few cycles on the OEM battery to compare aftermarket results.
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Hiya, any update on this? 4550mAh sounds too good to be true, but I'd love to hear how your mileage has been with this
Any source for that battery which sells to Europe/ Germany. Could not find one myself.
Just ordered this extended battery with 3400mAh which also delivers to Europe.
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Just ordered this extended battery with 3400mAh which also delivers to Europe.
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The auction says 2700mAh
merlinolillo said:
The auction says 2700mAh
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Ups, corrected the link.
sambahb said:
Just ordered this extended battery with 3400mAh which also delivers to Europe.
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Unfortunately it turns out the battery is a fake. It has less capacity then original
sambahb said:
Unfortunately it turns out the battery is a fake. It has less capacity then original
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You did a runtime measurement?
saldor said:
You did a runtime measurement?
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Not a precise measurement. Orginal runs about a day. This one half a day with not much activity. It has a jump from 30% to zero. I had several full charges/ discharges before. And several attempts in trying.
lithium batteries should be kept between 30 and 90 %. It's worse to discharge them.
You could charge to only 80% but 90% is where on most phones the battery statistics reset
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lithium batteries should be kept between 30 and 90 %. It's worse to discharge them.
You could charge to only 80% but 90% is where on most phones the battery statistics reset
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Sure, these are recommended usage conditions. But jump from 30% to 0% likely means defective battery, which cannot hold its capacity.
Normal battery should go smooth from 100% to 0%. Well, it may be not a straight line, but under constant average load graph should be near linear.
If it's jumping and suddendly goes 0% it's something wrong with battery. You may still try to calibrate it by full discharge/full charge several times,
but high quality batteries usually don't require it. Also I think high capacity battery must be thicker than original. If not, it's most likely a fake.
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If it's jumping and suddendly goes 0% it's something wrong with battery. You may still try to calibrate it by full discharge/full charge several times,
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Yea, I know. I agree
anyone found a decent battery yet? For Hiking I tend not to carry a heavy powerbank (even not a light one) but a spare lightweight battery... I do not understand why Lenovo is providing a changeable battery but not selling any...
Sorry, been away without notifications. Ran battery for several weeks and notice no significant increase in battery life - had screenshots of usage but unfortunately had a bad flash (Dont use SD as internal storage).
Decided to stick with the OEM battery, and will continue purchasing them if they go out or need to swap. Because of build quality, coping with a dead phone is better than one on fire or overheating.
But if Motorola or Anker releases an extended slim battery...
Which app to use to check battery condition? What point would you choose to think about changing battery. I still manage 1.5 days of use. What battery would you recommended? Link?
Wysłane z mojego Lenovo P2a42 przy użyciu Tapatalka
amdyss said:
Which app to use to check battery condition? What point would you choose to think about changing battery. I still manage 1.5 days of use. What battery would you recommended? Link?
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AccuBattery and AnTuTu. Make sure to run Android 10 so you have access to Mah readings. If you're using AnTuTu, charge at least 80%, otherwise the reported values will be ridiculously inaccurate. AccuBattery delivers somewhat reliable values for charges 30% or greater.
AccuBattery is on Play Store.
AnTuTu can be downloaded from http://file.antutu.com/soft/antutu-benchmark-v856-en.apk.
Feel free to report your results! I also got 1.5 days at that point in time. Today I get one day and 8 hours of SOT.
As for battery replacement I have no idea. Maybe you can find an original battery that has been cared for over the years. I would not trust 3rd party batteries, but at this stage of its life cycle maybe it's worth a try.
Hi everyone, before anybody goes ahead and replaces the battery it is worth installing a good android 9 ROM like Los 16 or mokee 9 because the difference in how long the battery lasts compared to android 10 and 11 ROMs is big. So it is worth checking before you think your battery is on its way out.