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WM6 Core (Non Beta) - Question

I'm trying to get my hands on the non-beta core, Windows Embedded CE 6.0 is what I would be looking for correct?
(Just trying to help out )
L

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Hi,
Count me in, would be awsom!
Cheers, Leo

no it's not.
WM is BASED on CE it is NOT CE.
wm5 and 6 are both based on CE 5.0, but getting CE 5.0 will not get you wm5/6

Midget_1990 said:
no it's not.
WM is BASED on CE it is NOT CE.
wm5 and 6 are both based on CE 5.0, but getting CE 5.0 will not get you wm5/6
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So, then what am I looking for exactly? If it's not Windows Embedded CE 6 ... what should I be looking for?
EDIT:
I was just looking up Windows Embedded CE 6, it sure sounds like the base core for WM6? If someone could let me know, I likely can get the non-beta core.
Embedded: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms376742.aspx
L

lirathal said:
So, then what am I looking for exactly? If it's not Windows Embedded CE 6 ... what should I be looking for?
EDIT:
I was just looking up Windows Embedded CE 6, it sure sounds like the base core for WM6? If someone could let me know, I likely can get the non-beta core.
Embedded: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms376742.aspx
L
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Windows CE 5.x is the core for Windows Mobile 5 and 6. You should get MS Platform Builder for this. Windows CE 6.x will be for feature versions of Windows Mobile and Thin Clients, etc...
Eelco

Windows mobile 5/6 is BASED on CE 5, hence the 5.1/5.2 kernels.
Windows mobile source IS NOT avaliable on msdn (you don't think we've tried )
The ONLY people with access are OEM's and Developers.
HOWEVER!
As with all restricted data there is allways a leak somewhere
Most devs who might want PB/BSP's can get/have what we need allready, if you want for yourself then you have to look VERY HARD on the rest of the netz
Good luck!

Midget_1990 said:
Windows mobile 5/6 is BASED on CE 5, hence the 5.1/5.2 kernels.
Windows mobile source IS NOT avaliable on msdn (you don't think we've tried )
The ONLY people with access are OEM's and Developers.
HOWEVER!
As with all restricted data there is allways a leak somewhere
Most devs who might want PB/BSP's can get/have what we need allready, if you want for yourself then you have to look VERY HARD on the rest of the netz
Good luck!
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Hmm...
Okay I'm not looking for the non-beta core myself. I wouldn't know what to do with it if I got my hands on it.
Every ROM that has been posted here as been based on the Beta Core for WM6 (to my knowlege). I'm just trying to offer to use my contacts to get the non-beta core if possible to help the community. I do have a contact, but I just have to point them to the right stuff 'we' are looking for.
If anyone wants it, or knows how to identify it, please let me know ... and I'll do my best to provide it if possible .
L

Well I wonder if I totally have the concept of how this actually works wrong. I was reading the MSDN documentation about the Embedded. Now as I understand it Microsoft distributes the Embedded framework to manufacturers and it's they who create the operating system for their hardware. So in essence anything that I get straight from Microsoft will be pretty much useless to Helmi, J and the others that are creating ROMs for us newbies (read: I'm a newbie) .
am I totally out to lunch? Sorry if I am, I was just trying to give back for all that I have leeched!
L

You would nee Windows Mobile Source which is not avaliable on msdn. Also a BSP (board support pack) would be needed from HTC.

Midget_1990 said:
You would nee Windows Mobile Source which is not avaliable on msdn. Also a BSP (board support pack) would be needed from HTC.
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The only reason I mention MSDN is for reference only. I realise it's not on MSDN. So lets stop pretending that I'm making that mistake . I use MSDN all the time for my consulting firms.
What I am trying to get for the developers here is the "Windows Mobile Source" that you mentioned above. The only reason why I am trying to do this is to get a newer (and hopefully non-beta core) to the developers that spend their time working to get us better ROMs.
Now, to put it bluntly, I have someone that I can contact to get access to neat things within Microsoft. Hopefully this is one of them. What I am really looking for is someone to give me the answer to the question: "What am I asking for".
I'd hate to ask for the wrong thing, bug my contact, and have nothing to show for it for the XDA community.
Hope that is a bit more clear
L

Oh i get you now Too many people with msdn subscriptions ahve seen CE 6.0 and come running with chants of "i can get your windoze mobile 6 source!"
The best i can tell you is to ask for the "windows mobile source tree" the right platform builder to go with it and as many BSP's as you can get your hands on (for multi device support)
However I don't think a public forum is the best place to discuss this... see my PM.

God, I love it when stuff goes covert

Where can I download platform builder for windows mobile 5.0?

Where can I download platform builder for windows mobile 5.0?can anyone help me?

You can't.
PB for Windows Mobile (not CE!) is not available to the general public. You need to be an OEM recognized by MS to get one.
You could always try P2P networks, but its 7-9GB download and there is no guarantee some one leaked the real thing.

Does Platform Builder for Windows Mobile 5.0 contain WM2005?

What exactly are talking about?
It seems you have your terminology confused.
WM is short for Windows Mobile. 2005 was the initial name for the 5 version until MS (that stands for Microsoft) did an official release and everyone started calling it WM 5. Some still refer to it as 2005 (as in the year it was released).
Why do you want the Platform Builder any way? You can't make a new ROM with it.
If you jut want some code samples get the PB for CE or if you want to translate the interface (localize your device) just use a ROM dump.

Thank you for replying.

Need AKU and platform builder
Hi,
How are you able to get AKU and platform builder for Windows Mobile 5.0.
Thanks,
Niraj

Buy Platform Builder
I am interested in buying the Platform Builder if you still have. Send me how. Thank you.
5thWheel said:
Hi,
I actually have a legitimate "Windows CE 5.0 with Platform Builder". It has product keys, holograms, everything! I came across this thread when I was googling to see if it was worth my eBaying it!
If anyone is interested, I can put up an eBay auction with a reserve of maybe £50 (it cost me £250, was worth around £500 when I bought it!).
I have "Windows CE.Net [AKA "CE 4.2"] with Platform Builder" as well; again, if there is actually some interest I can eBay it and post a link to the auction. I wasn't going to bother as it didn't look like it was going to be worth the listing fee (no one seems to sell these any more, but 4.2 was easy to buy from various UK retailers at the time, and there were a few 5.0's going on eBay when I got mine).
The CE 5.0 is completely unused (project was cancelled before I even got to start on it!); I installed 4.2 a while ago to make an OS for a device I was working on, but the project was abandoned in the end. I've since canned the PC it was on. Both products are "mine".
Just to clarify in case anyone is confused, Platform Builder is a tool that one uses to make an operating system to run on a device. I would *imagine* you could make an XDA ROM with it, if you had either some support from the device manufacturer, or were very knowledgeable - I made ROMs for a couple of ARM and x86-based "PC cards", and tweaked a ROM for a PDA-like card, but I don't know if XDAs are more complicated. You'd usually want an SDK to accompany the target platform, I think, and ideally an example ROM workspace. Sorry to anyone who already knows this, and hopefully I'm not talking out of my hat WRT XDA development (I only just found out what AKU stands for, I just didn't want anyone expressing an interest who didn't know what they were getting into (Platform Builder is IMO pretty hardcore! But OTOH, pretty good fun! You get lots of the WinCE source and can poke at it if you need to!)
Wrt terminology, I *belive* "Windows Mobile 5" is an implementation of "Windows CE 5", a bit like Ubuntu is a distribution based on Debian? OTOH I wouldn't like to bet, I found all the 4.2, .Net, CE, Mobile, Pocket PC nonsense very confusing, even at the time I'd always assumed that mobile 6.1 was based on CE6.1, but apparently it is based on CE5.2, which I guess means CE6 doesn't exist, so go figure
Windows Mobile 2003 was certainly an "implementation" of CE 4.2, because Wikipedia says so.
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nevermind. there is a free (120-day) evaluation here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downLoads/...50-D311-4F67-9FB3-23E8B8944F3E&displaylang=en
This is enough to build a device driver... right?

Windows CE 5.0 and Platform Builder 5.0
5thWheel said:
Hi,
I'll put it on eBay at the weekend and post the link here: was it 5.0 or 4.2 you were interested in?
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Windows CE 5.0 and Platform Builder 5.0.

windows ce plat form builder 3
well if anyone who has a palm treo 800w and you want to use the verizon 800w update will need platorm builder 3 to use the update im reading in the update what i need to update it i will paste it here if anyone can help i would really like it
well here is what is written
joplin image updater 1 connect usb cable to board 2 open platformbuilder 3 open fashbin workspace 4 attach 5 flip wifi switch to down load image ehen it goes on to describe errors that you could get like bat to low to update well i want to know if anyone can come up with any ideas im going to see if i can get the files mentioned and ill upload then if i can

anyone got a link to or put me in right p2p direction for platform builder 7?

Visual Studio requirement question

I'm a little bit confused and I hope that someone can answer my (I assume)
easy question:
Which edition of Visual Studio is needed for Windows Mobile 6 SDK
development? I'm already considering to update to VS 2008 but I'm not
sure if the Standard Edition is sufficient or if I need the Professional Edition
(which is considerably more expensive).
My confusion arises from the fact that on the download page
for the WM 6 Pro SDK it's stated that VS 2005 Standard and newer are
working. However, on the product comparison page (comparison of
editions), at
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/cc149003.aspx
under "Smart Device Development" it is stated that the emulator and the
project templates are not part of the Standard edition.
Well, now I'm really confused. I hope someone can shed some light on this.
Sorry, if this question has already been answered somewhere on the forums -
I didn't find any accurate answer (the sticky thread "Development Resources for Windows Mobile" only tells me that there is a trial edition available for download - but that doesn't answer my question). And all other questions
similar to mine seem to have been answered with something like "... get VS 2008 ... " - but without mentioning any specific edition.
Michael

i'd prefer Visual Studio 2008 Professional, works with EVERY Device
*edit* : oh and with Standard Edition, yuou cant work for SmartPhone

if you haven't installed the wm sdk
smart device is .net apps
.net apps using the compact framework
dont require the wm sdk at all
you only need the sdk if you write pure c++ win32 or old microMfc using c++

Thanks for the quick reply. Unfortunately the limitations suck.
Since I'm also planning to code plain Win32 it seems I'd need the
Pro version if I'm planning to upgrade to VS 2008.
I just visited the WM SDK download page again and just recognized that
they didn't write VS 2008 Std. but VS 2005 Std.
So, my new question: can someone tell me whether VS 2005 Standard
is sufficient?
Michael

worked just fine for me with 2005 and sdk wm6 std and wm6 pro

Thanks again for the quick and accurate help. Seems like now comes the
tricky part - finding someone still selling VS 2005.
Michael

^ You could take a look at using SharpDevelop..
http://www.codeproject.com/KB/mobile/WiMoSansVS.aspx

[deXter] said:
^ You could take a look at using SharpDevelop..
http://www.codeproject.com/KB/mobile/WiMoSansVS.aspx
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I already looked into that, but there are two problems: first, I'd like to program
in C++ and second, as far as I know when using SharpDevelop I've no debugger
at hand.
Thanks for that hint anyways.
Michael

Embedded C++ 4.0 will still work with WM5/WM6. And can be downloaded free. If you stick to good old Win32, no ATL or MFC, it will create one single executable, with no extra runtime baggage. All the DLLs it needs are already on your device. It may complain that the generated executable will not run on your target device, but it will, it's lying. Target for ARMv4 and there is a good chance it will work. The emulators in the WM5 and WM6 SDK's now actually run the ARM executables direct, so you can test your app to a release level without having to load it on the device.
If you keep main menu options down to one or two, it will appear like all other WM6 apps with the menu options connected to the left and right menu buttons. More than two and the menu appears as the older WM2003 control bar.

Thanks again people for all the help and suggestions. Fortunately (after
many hours of searching) I finally found someone selling VS 2005 Std.
Michael

As mentioned above, the Standard versions of VS2005 and VS2008 cannot target mobile/smart devices.
You will need the Professional Version.
You get what you pay for.

Flash 10.1

First of all I know flash 10.1 isn't coming to WM 6.5. At least not through official channels. The part that got me interested in the news message is that they won't make it available due to missing critical API's. Does anyone know what these API's are and if there's a way to emulate them? maybe the first step to flash 10.1 on WM 6.5 via a sort of less official channel?

[Q] New users of Surface 2

Hi to everyone,
Before at all i want to say "sorry" for my bad english.
Last week my parents bought me a new surface 2. I've seen that surface 2 uses Windows 8.1 rt as pre-installed OS. I've seen also that this OS don't have a jailbreak yet, so i cant use desktop applications.
My question is: "may i downgrade the OS to the Win 8 rt by using an iso image from an other tablet " Surface RT" ?!"
Thanks u for all, and sorry for the disorder.

Yes but...
Yes you can "downgrade the OS to the Windows 8.0 rt by using an iso image" however it is not that simple. I have the image hosted on my ftp server. PM me if you want it. However just do a simple search of the surface forums to find how to deploy (install) it.
Link to a video telling you, you should have searched the fourm...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA