Well who here ever watched avatar the last airbender (not the movie, but the cartoon ) Well its just a idea that popped in my head. So if the nexus one was first made by htc, then jumps to samsung... maybe it will be then made by motorola, lg, nokia.... or just "MAJOR" phone makers.
So what exactly is the pattern ??
Right now Samsung has the best technology: CPU and display, they also have the capability to manufacture large number of units. So the pattern here (if there is one) is that Google is choosing the most capable manufacturer with the best technology at the time.
PhoenixFx said:
So what exactly is the pattern ??
Right now Samsung has the best technology: CPU and display, they also have the capability to manufacture large number of units. So the pattern here (if there is one) is that Google is choosing the most capable manufacturer with the best technology at the time.
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I don't know if there actually is a pattern. Like I said, it was just an idea.
I think Google is rewarding those hardware partners that are heavily investing in Android. First HTC, who made Android consumer adoption what it is today. Now Samsung, who launched the second wave of consumer attention towards Android with their broad spectrum of Galaxy phones (and a tablet). Simple as that.
Perhaps there will be a new Nexus every year.
"Nexus", as Google said, is (now) a label indicating Pure Android Experience. So basically, it'll probably be an "approved by Google", developer-friendly, technologically sound (though maybe not always latest tech) "line" of products from multiple manufacturers, but all under the same "tagline" indicating corporate non-intrusiveness and Google thumbs-uppage.
sauron0101 said:
Perhaps there will be a new Nexus every year.
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Probably one for every new version of android that seems to be the trend so far
Nexus one isn't even a year old
I just wish google could call representatives from HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola etc. get them around a table and say "OK, now who has the best screen ? Who produces the best batteries ? Who can make the best case ?" and so on, and build a google phone with the best feature of each brand.
Next Andy Rubin will ask Nokia to make Nexus bcos Nokia has largest market outside US
All these manufacturers are part of the Open Handset Alliance. I'm pretty sure Google is just going turn by turn. The fact that the next Nexus device is mostly going to be the Motorola Everest tablet that Andy Rubin showed off is proof of that.
For all you know, the next Nexus phone will be made by either ASUS, Acer, Sony Ericsson, Motorola, LG or Dell.
http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/oha_members.html
fatefearfighter said:
I think Google is rewarding those hardware partners that are heavily investing in Android. First HTC, who made Android consumer adoption what it is today. Now Samsung, who launched the second wave of consumer attention towards Android with their broad spectrum of Galaxy phones (and a tablet). Simple as that.
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Agreed
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Perhaps there will be a new Nexus every year.
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Probably, google will make a new one to showcase the best android hardware/software each year or two
Google has these strong partnerships with all these big device makers...if Google stuck with HTC(my personal fav) and didnt give opportunity to the others to make flagship devices for Google, it would cause strain on those realationships. I would not be surprised to see a Moto or LG Nexus down the road.
I'm not a fan of LG, just to think of a LG nexus makes me disgusted. It kinda suck to think that samsung isn't sharing its super amoled screens anymore to other companies. It really would be great if HTC made it and samsung was willing to share its S-amoled. I like everything about the nexus s except the lack of LED and a plastic back. I'm fine with a 16gb internal memory built in.
I don't think Nokia will be making an Android device ever, or at least for a long time. They have been strongly opposed since they own Symbian.
tekkitan said:
I don't think Nokia will be making an Android device ever, or at least for a long time. They have been strongly opposed since they own Symbian.
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They will when they start losing money.
Look at moto.
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They will when they start losing money.
Look at moto.
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Moto had no choice, they were going down fast, and at the point where their mobile division could disappear. On the other hand, Nokia is still the number 1 manufacturer and selling a lot outside of the U.S. They are also sticking to their Maemo OS. So I don't see Nokia loosing money anytime soon.
Actually, I don't really see Nokia jumping on Android until they ditch Maemo.
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I'm not a fan of LG, just to think of a LG nexus makes me disgusted. It kinda suck to think that samsung isn't sharing its super amoled screens anymore to other companies. It really would be great if HTC made it and samsung was willing to share its S-amoled. I like everything about the nexus s except the lack of LED and a plastic back. I'm fine with a 16gb internal memory built in.
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LG is the third mobile manufactor so why not in the future to see a nexus from them....and they just launched two really good smartphones...the lg optimus and optimus 7....i think they will be very strong in the near future.
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Google has these strong partnerships with all these big device makers...if Google stuck with HTC(my personal fav) and didnt give opportunity to the others to make flagship devices for Google, it would cause strain on those realationships. I would not be surprised to see a Moto or LG Nexus down the road.
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After all the complaints Google got from the Nexus, made by HTC, you better hope they even reconsider them =/
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I just wish google could call representatives from HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola etc. get them around a table and say "OK, now who has the best screen ? Who produces the best batteries ? Who can make the best case ?" and so on, and build a google phone with the best feature of each brand.
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The reason this doesn't happen is they would all want a piece of the pie. Large pieces.
It's all about money to most companies.
But anyways:
CPU - Samsung
GPS - What ever Motorola or HTC uses
Screen - Samsung
Case - Motorola
Case Design - HTC
Software - Google
Antenna - HTC or LG
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The reason this doesn't happen is they would all want a piece of the pie. Large pieces.
It's all about money to most companies.
But anyways:
CPU - Samsung
GPS - What ever Motorola or HTC uses
Screen - Samsung
Case - Motorola
Case Design - HTC
Software - Google
Antenna - HTC or LG
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where does nokia and acer come in? haha
Right now I am considering changing my old SGS II to a new phone. Before I tell you my requirements, I will wirte a few words about my perspective as "phone owner".
I have started my smartphone journey with Motorola A925 but If I am to be honest I no longer consider myself as phone geek, I used to... but not any longer. The reason for this is relatively simple. Smartphones reached a certain level of functionality as a product and everything that comes next is just an icing on a cake, and not something that brings real value. IMO this point was around SGS II/ Iphone 4 era.
Yeah, it is nice to have something that is improved over predecessor but it does not get me excited anymore.... Back in a day, when I installed Opera Mini on my HTC Wizard this was REAL value added. This was something that really changed how I accessed information wherever I was. Nowadays you know yourselves how it is. More of a marketing hype if anything else....
As a result my requiremets are relatively simple:
1. Android (sorry IOS and Windows... you are not for me)
2. The phone needs to feel nice in hand and look nice - THAT IS KEY REQUIREMENT
3. Solid battery life
4. Reasonable size - I guess 4,7 - 5,2 inch is optimal.
I went to a market a few days back and was really dissapointed to see how poorly Android handsets are designed in terms of materials used. Even the flagship phones feel like plastic toys. Infamous SGS Alpha is no exception here. Phones that were of reasonable quality to me are the following (random order):
- Huawei Ascend P7 (poor battery life from what I read)
- Xperia Z (the entire series - yet I am a little worried about its durability when it slips your hand)
- HTC One
- Motorola Moto G (it feels much more premium in hand than most of the flagship devices. My GF has Moto G first gen. at home, so I know this phone best.)
- Motorola Moto X (but IMO is too expensive - at least the 2nd gen)
Moto G and HTC One are the most appealing to me right now... Any other suggestions?
TL;DR - What flagship should I get next that I can root and unlock?
After being on the 2013 Developer Edition of the Moto X since it's release, I think it's time for a new phone with some more power behind it. I've been rooted and unlocked for a couple years, switching between multiple ROMs and using Xposed modules, so the hope is unlocking the bootloader won't be a pain in the ass like it was on my old Galaxy S3.
I know several people who have the S6 (non Edge model) and love it and the build quality/features. After a bad experience with Samsung bootloaders, bloatware, and stuck in the legacy channel for ROM support, it makes me wary to give my love away to something I may hate long term. Personally, I'd opt out of the Edge screen.
The Moto X Pure is coming out in September and after having a great experience on Moto, it looks like a strong contender for me. The Pure will get updates first and come unlocked (what kind of bootloader will come on it- or do you install one yourself?). I could not care less about Moto Maker, but the camera sounds like a great upgrade.
We've all heard the hype about the One Plus Two and now that its out and reviews have been surfacing it's positioned as the device to beat. I'm on board since it runs Oxygen and has the best specs on paper. Getting an invite doesn't seem too difficult, but the limited supply creates an issue in acquiring one.
And then I have the Nexus 5 2015 whose specs just got leaked is the most notable I have to consider. Android M is slated to be released in October/November, and that is when I expect the handset will drop too. Almost every Android enthusiast has wanted a Nexus, with me at the top of the list.
With all of these considered, what should I get next?
Speaking for myself, I'm very much interested in the Moto X Pure/Style and the upcomming Nexuses. No interest whatsoever in the S6, and the OnePlus 2 isn't enough of an upgrade to make me want it instead of my OnePlus One. Speaking of which, don't ignore the OnePlus One. $300 for a brand new 64gb one, and it'll be a perfectly competent device for a good long while, plus you'll have custom development support at a level only matched/exceeded by Nexus devices.
As for what you should get next, I can't say. Not yet, without these new devices being released and reviewed. The OnePlus 2 has a better camera...on paper. Same for the Moto X Pure. But without reviews, who can say? Will the underclocked SD810 on the OnePlus 2 perform up to standards? Will it still overheat? Will it be better than the 801-AC on the OnePlus One? What about the 808 on the Moto X Pure? What rumored features of the Nexus 5 will actually come to fruition (and what it have that surprises us)? And what about the Saygus V2? WTF is going on with that phone?
Now is not the time to decide anything.
There is already a thread for this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1620179
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i miss the moto design and customization on my essential phone. heres my friends moto x pure. post your current or former phones designs in hopes someone would be inspired to re introduce customization.
oh and another thing... i wish they came with a durable bumper
Jonathanlc2005 said:
i miss the moto design and customization on my essential phone. heres my friends moto x pure. post your current or former phones designs in hopes someone would be inspired to re introduce customization.
oh and another thing... i wish they came with a durable bumper
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LOL. It was the one thing Moto had going for it. However, Lenovo has decided to take the Moto line down the path of a "modular" phone. I think only two of the mods intrigued me (camera and battery) but for the cost...just not worth it in my opinion. I kind of liked the ability to customize the appearance of the phone, but I don't think Lenovo will likely be trying to venture back into this arena.
Pure Edition remains in a realm of its own
There was definitely a noticeable drop in design quality after Lenovo fully took over. The Moto X Pure Edition was arguably their last good-looking phone. The new Z Series, G Series, E Series, and X Series look okay, (especially when compared with this year's disastrous setback of fugly phones from LG, Samsung, and Apple) but are really nothing special.
The Pure Edition's perfect mix of small body, large screen, and visual symmetry is quite pleasant. The only devices I saw this year that really pushed the envelope for design were the OnePlus 5T and HTC U11+, with the latter being only sold overseas. Honorable mention goes to that Essential PH-1, which brings LCD, Verizon Wireless, and an unlockable bootloader together again for the first time since the XPE, (and possibly a few other Motorola offerings [citation needed]) but folks have a right to be apprehensive about its lack of headphone jack, its ugly rounded screen corners, and the reports of poor wireless radio performance.
The more I look, the more I realize that the Pure Edition's formula has rarely been matched, and almost never superseded. So far, the only company who's gotten it close is HTC, with their 10 and U11 models, but the latter is unfortunately still way expensive, and the former never really fell down in price like I wanted it to either.
TL;DR? If you want a good phone, a good design, and a good price, the Pure Edition is still the only place where it's at right now. Check back in a couple of years maybe to see if the HTCs move anywhere in price.
I wonder why every flagship has to be glass+aluminium combo or aluminium only (even when it coated and feels like plastic like in new pixel). For me metal band and rubber, wooden on leather back feel premium enough and it's way more practical.
State of the industry (opinion)
iks8 said:
I wonder why every flagship has to be glass+aluminium combo or aluminium only (even when it coated and feels like plastic like in new pixel). For me metal band and rubber, wooden on leather back feel premium enough and it's way more practical.
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Those are just the materials that are most trendy right now. My take on it is that the industry is just so cutthroat that nobody wants to make anything that isn't 90% mainstream, else they may threaten their profit margins. The miniscule amount of deviation that is allowed is of little consequence, ("moto mods," Essential globular camera, LG "friends," Blackberry Priv/Keyone vertical hardware keyboards, and the HTC squeezer) with the possible exception of that dual-screen ZTE phone, which is something we haven't seen since the ill-fated Kyocera Echo.
I am new to the forums. In fact I have owned only two Android phones (J5 and Moto G) in the past. After I unboxed my Samsung phone, I noticed something, At about 200$ compared to Apple , Samsung was offering some really great cheap hardware. Can't say the same about Motorola but it was slightly cheaper so that was fine I guess. However once I set up my device, the Samsung software was just pure garbage. Its almost like they were forcing cheap phone buyers to use good hardware but give them terrible experience. On the other hand the nearly vanilla android on Moto G was a great experience. Everything just worked. But when it came to design and hardware, the Moto G felt cheaper than Galaxy J5. I also have used for a short period an S3, S6, Note4, and S8 plus. The Samsung hardware is actually decent. The cameras are good, phones are sleek, batteries are replaceable many times, dual sim and MicroSD cards are a bonus.
Now I was just wondering, I agree that Samsung have had in the past success with selling crappy TouchWiz flavoured Android, so phones slow down over time, lose updates and people upgrade the hardware. But in 2018 I believe this strategy is hurting their sales. The Pixel Phones have caught up, manufacturers like OnePlus in flagship market are offering good value and in the low end Google is making an effort for Chinese manufacturers to come up with low end smartphones with snappier Android thats almost vanilla (work in progress I believe). So when Samsung launches their flagship S9 and S9+ people want something thats just an overall great experience. I don't think people believe TouchWiz is anything unique anymore and Bixby and Siri are just a joke. Instead of spending money on developing and maintaining crappy software that only hurts sales, why doesn't Samsung spend the same money on improving the experience by using things like Machine Learning to improve camera performance, more hardware chips (AI chips in Pixel are an example) and overall the experience in a more sensible way. Samsung phones used to have the best camera in Flagship but the pixel nailed it this time. And that was a result of that AI chip along with better ML for sure.
And not to mention the fact that in countries like India, Samsung has quickly lost its market share. People still consider Samsung in these countries before buying because of past positive experience with hardware and wide service support throughout the country but the software has let down today and so Xiaomi and Vivo and Oppo are considered since they get slightly better hardware at the same cost.
Any idea how Samsung plans to up its game? I would really love to see a Galaxy phone in the 200$ range that runs vanilla Android and is significantly better than Oppo and Vivo and Xiaomi where people would just go with the big brand instead.