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Is there a way i can add the start menu on my rt, I installed pokki my desktop running windows 8,but cant seem to install on my rt.
ha, nope sorry buddy! windows RT is completely different to windows 8, RT is using a ARM processor 'tegra 3' this means the software will have to be made for an arm CPU, that's why it won't work on your rt device. this is also why there is a marketplace for downloading all of your apps....
sorry.
ssfirme said:
Is there a way i can add the start menu on my rt, I installed pokki my desktop running windows 8,but cant seem to install on my rt.
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you can jailbreak your device using this and then run classic start menu from here. works perfectly on my surface rt
Dane, you're actually incorrect... there's a hack available (on this very site, even), commonly referred to as a "jailbreak", that allows running apps which aren't from the store, sideloaded, or from Microsoft on Windows RT. They still need to be compatible with ARM, as you say, but recent .NET apps work fine with no changes, and many C/C++ open-source apps have been recompiled.
Classic Start has been available on RT for a couple weeks now, using this method. Download the jailbreak hack, unzip it and run it, then follow the instructions. Download and install Classic Start following the instructions in the post linked from my thread, List of desktop apps for hacked RT devices, then restart Windows Explorer (or just log off and log on again) and you'll have a Start menu if you want it so badly (I don't get the fuss; on a tablet, the Start screen really is a better option IMO, but it's available).
Also, there is actually a work-in-progress hack to allow running unmodified x86 programs on RT as well, using dynamic recompilation from x86 to ARM code.
Why would you need a start menu on Rt?
You actually can... I've got 7-Zip, PuTTY, Gvim, MirandaIM, IKVM (and through it, Burp Suite and some other Java programs), Fiddler 4, Python 2.7, and some other "legacy" programs installed on my RT. I'm working on porting Chrome (it's a chrome-plated ***** of a project, if you'll excuse the terrible joke). I also temporarily install additional apps to test them out as people port them to RT. Finally, I've installed the Win86emu beta, which isn't a legacy program but is a desktop program; it's written especially for Windows RT and allows running (some) x86 legacy apps on RT directly and unmodified.
deeman said:
Why would you need a start menu on Rt?
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more of a want than need but it's a familarity thing, i'm sure.
Can I get GOM player or any good player working on RT which can support most extensions ??
mohitgalaxy3 said:
Can I get GOM player or any good player working on RT which can support most extensions ??
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Right now 8.1 is a preview but what happens when it is fully released? Will windows RT auto update to it even if we don't like 8.1 and want to stay on Windows 8 RT?
I know you can disable auto-updates by hacking the registry but Id rather not have to do that.
Any way to keep automatic updates but ensure your system never upgrades to 8.1?
Why? 8.1 works great.
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Any way to keep automatic updates but ensure your system never upgrades to 8.1?
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Windows RT is supported by WSUS. I never tested it myself, but you can setup your device to get updates not from MS site but from your local WSUS server - and just don't approve there the updates you don't like.
And similar to earlier service packs - there would be an "8.1 blocker" (look for Win7 SP1 blocker here: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=22464). As this is just a registry key - it may work on RT too.
Dane Reynolds said:
Why? 8.1 works great.
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One massive issue with 8.1 which is enough to keep a large user base from updating: jailbreak.
Once there is a jailbreak for 8.1 though, then your argument would be valid.
Not sure why you wouldn't want to run updates but so far Windows 8.1 rocks! Makes RT so much better.
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One massive issue with 8.1 which is enough to keep a large user base from updating: jailbreak.
Once there is a jailbreak for 8.1 though, then your argument would be valid.
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You talking about a jailbreak for 8.1 RT? Is so what type of stuff can you do with the jailbreak?
Dane Reynolds said:
Why? 8.1 works great.
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phantomlightgames said:
Not sure why you wouldn't want to run updates but so far Windows 8.1 rocks! Makes RT so much better.
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Not on the Asus Vivo RT it doesn't :silly:
8.1 really f#&@'s up the trackpad
Wow that's good to know.. I'm currently running it on a Dell T3500 desktop both Surface RT & Pro.
Are you sure it's not a driver issue. Maybe Asus have some updates available for track pad?
@Dane Reynolds: You new here? The Windows RT jailbreak has been a pretty big deal - especially on the RT Dev&Hacking sub-forum here - since its initial reveal over half a year ago. It removes the signing restrictions that Microsoft uses to lock out third-party desktop apps. With the jailbreak, you can:
1) Run .NET 4 (or later) desktop programs.
2) Run open-source Win32 desktop programs that were recompiled for RT (there's a list of them; check my sig).
3) Run a handful of programs specifically written for Windows RT tablets, including an x86 emulation layer.
4) Run various non-.NET legacy programs (some x86 through the emulation layer, some Java through IKVM, some Python through an incomplete port, Perl, Ruby, Lua, and a bunch of game engines).
5) Install third-party drivers (such as the open-source program Process Hacker uses).
Windows RT 8.1 breaks the method used to jailbreak RT 8.0. There are people working on getting it back - the OS is a hell of a lot more useful when you can run things like PuTTY and 7-Zip and even WebKit-based web browsers - but until them, most people that hang out around here are either dual-booting 8.0 and 8.1 (if they have enough space) or just sticking with 8.0.
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@Dane Reynolds: You new here?
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Nah, I've been here since RT was released, I heard about the jailbreak but was never interested, but the only reason I wasn't interested was I never found any fun stuff to do with the jailbreak.
Dane Reynolds said:
Nah, I've been here since RT was released, I heard about the jailbreak but was never interested, but the only reason I wasn't interested was I never found any fun stuff to do with the jailbreak.
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no fun stuff? Quakes 1, 2 and 3. Numerous other games, MAME I think.
Python.
.NET
FreeDownloadManager
a torrent client
An html5 browser other than IE (hopefully chromium or Firefox eventually)
PuTTY (would be an absolute must have for me)
Loads of other software many either useful or fun or both.
It really opens up the desktop side of RT
Damn, quake sounds fun and I could use chrome ... I kind of regret getting 8.1
I see the use for a jailbreak but I think it brings the OS backwards. These desktop apps aren't optimized for touch. I think building apps for the new interface is the way to go.
Funny; I get around fine using touch on the desktop (no, my fingers aren't even tiny). Well, except for typing. That sucks, Desktop or Metro. So, I have a Touch Cover, which makes typing a lot nicer. It also has a trackpad, so I only use touch when it's better than using a trackpad.
So, now I have a keyboard and pointing device, in addition to touch, for the device to be useful to me. Care to explain to me again why using apps which are amenable to all three input methods, instead of only one, "brings the OS backwards"? Because the way I see it, taking a multi-input device and excluding all those apps which aren't (over) optimized for a single form of input is a hell of a lot *more* backward...
Dane Reynolds said:
Damn, quake sounds fun and I could use chrome ... I kind of regret getting 8.1
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I love quake and doom, been playing through doom again on my PSP actually (CFW-PRO to effectively jailbreak the PSP, then there are 2 or 3 ports for PSP)
Chrome isnt out for RT yet. GoodDayToDie had a look, but its complicated. Kudos to him for taking a look anyway, but so far 1 guy on his own hasnt managed to do it. Firefox also has its own issues. We may or may not see them eventually though. The jailbreak would be the first step before you could run them though.
As for 8.1. Trig0r has 8.0 recoveries for the surface RT which you could use to downgrade. Hopefully someone will get 8.1 jailbroken soon too, but microsoft patched the exploit that was being used before.
Thanks, I might ask for a recovery as I love gaming, speaking of gaming i know the Surface's hardware isn't high enough to run games but i was wondering if Onlive would be releasing an app for RT.
That would actually be a legitimate use for OnLive... wasn't sure I'd ever see one of those.
Surface (Pro or RT) are fine for light gaming, or for running older games. The RT does actually have NVidia graphics, they're just really underpowered. The Pro has only Intel graphics, but the Intel GMA for the i5 might actually be more powerful than the RT's Tegra 3 (haven't checked). In any case, there are lots of games known to work (if not always at max resolution / quality) on the Pro, and the RT has a number of older games which have been ported over working fine, and some old x86 games that run in the dynamic recompilation engine also working (though so far as I know, none of those ones are 3D).
ap3604 said:
Not sure why you wouldn't want to run updates but so far Windows 8.1 rocks! Makes RT so much better.
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Not on the Asus Vivo RT it doesn't :silly:
8.1 really f#&@'s up the trackpad
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I own VivoTab RT 3g - no problems with trackpad in 8.1. Currently I have no major problems with 8.1 except for the blinking screen issue that is present in 8.0 too. Even VPN works fine, so I finally can connect to my workplace and read email with Outlook, use RDP or Citrix Receiver.
Good morning,
I just got a new surface 2 and I would like to instal the genymotion emulator on it?
How can do it??
Many thanks for your help
You don't.
As far as I'm aware Gene motion is x86 only.
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Dave
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foxmeister said:
You don't.
As far as I'm aware Gene motion is x86 only.
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Dave
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can you suggest me an alternative?
The windows store is poor of applications and I find the tablet almost unsefull.
coluichepensa said:
can you suggest me an alternative?
The windows store is poor of applications and I find the tablet almost unsefull.
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There isn't an alternative either.
As far as I'm aware, until there is a jailbreak for Windows RT 8.1, there is no way to install applications outside of those on the Windows Store.
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Dave
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There isn't an alternative either.
As far as I'm aware, until there is a jailbreak for Windows RT 8.1, there is no way to install applications outside of those on the Windows Store.
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Dave
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Not that there are any outside the Windows Store
komugi said:
Not that there are any outside the Windows Store
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Apart from those Windows apps that have been recompiled for ARM and run on a jailbroken Surface!
Granted there aren't very many, and they will almost all be open source desktop applications, but they do exist.
If MS opened up the Surface so that desktop apps could be installed, you would likely see many more. For example, Google would port Chrome to RT if they could.
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There are dozens of ported applications (see the link in my signature) with more coming slowly but steadily. There are also lots of pure .NET applications, which work fine on RT once it has been jailbroken. In addition, there are a few custom-written applications for RT, the most important of which is probably @mamaich's x86 dynamic recompilation compatibility layer (sort of like Rosetta for old Macs) that allows running some (old and/or now-demand) x86 programs on RT without modification. Work on it appears to have largely stalled (although the current version is still available, and does work for some programs on RT 8.0) while the jailbreak for RT 8.1 is in development, but I'm confident it will pick up again.
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There are dozens of ported applications (see the link in my signature) with more coming slowly but steadily. There are also lots of pure .NET applications, which work fine on RT once it has been jailbroken. In addition, there are a few custom-written applications for RT, the most important of which is probably @mamaich's x86 dynamic recompilation compatibility layer (sort of like Rosetta for old Macs) that allows running some (old and/or now-demand) x86 programs on RT without modification. Work on it appears to have largely stalled (although the current version is still available, and does work for some programs on RT 8.0) while the jailbreak for RT 8.1 is in development, but I'm confident it will pick up again.
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great job but I have still wait for the jailbreak, have i?
Since you have 8.1, yes, you'll need to wait. Sorry...
Hi guys, I just got my surface rt And I was wondering should I keep windows 8.1 or just 8? Is it worth it to jailbreak ? Thanks
There are plenty of threads already on this topic...
Anyhow, IMO Windows RT is nigh-useless without jailbreaking. 8.1 helps a little but it's still pretty bad. On the other hand, the RT hacking scene has lost a lot of steam while waiting for an 8.1 jailbreak to come out, and most of the apps that were ported or created specifically for RT are now obsolete versions, abandoned partially complete, or both. They are still useful, but there's limits.
In any case, it really comes down to your use cases. If you need Outlook, use 8.1. If you want to run DOSBox games, use the jailbreak. If you need the latest and greatest Windows Store apps, use 8.1. If you want to try running the x86 dynamic recompilation layer (one of those incomplete-and-abandoned projects, though it works for some normal Windows apps) use the jailbreak. If you want to run the latest version of IE, use 8.1. If you want to use a mostly-functional WebKit-based browser (i.e. not IE), use the jailbreak.
Or you could try contributing to getting the jailbreak working on 8.1, I guess. That would be the best of both worlds, and would probably jump-start development for RT again.
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There are plenty of threads already on this topic...
Anyhow, IMO Windows RT is nigh-useless without jailbreaking. 8.1 helps a little but it's still pretty bad. On the other hand, the RT hacking scene has lost a lot of steam while waiting for an 8.1 jailbreak to come out, and most of the apps that were ported or created specifically for RT are now obsolete versions, abandoned partially complete, or both. They are still useful, but there's limits.
In any case, it really comes down to your use cases. If you need Outlook, use 8.1. If you want to run DOSBox games, use the jailbreak. If you need the latest and greatest Windows Store apps, use 8.1. If you want to try running the x86 dynamic recompilation layer (one of those incomplete-and-abandoned projects, though it works for some normal Windows apps) use the jailbreak. If you want to run the latest version of IE, use 8.1. If you want to use a mostly-functional WebKit-based browser (i.e. not IE), use the jailbreak.
Or you could try contributing to getting the jailbreak working on 8.1, I guess. That would be the best of both worlds, and would probably jump-start development for RT again.
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Okay thanks ! Can I go back to win8 by resetting my rt in settings ?
If you save the 8.0 recover image, yes. I'm not sure whether it's saved under normal upgrade circumstances; I removed mine to free up space. You can also download the 8.0 image and restore it.
It's also possible, though a little complicated, to install 8.0 and 8.1 at the same time, in a dual-boot configuration. Doing so uses a lot of the tablet's internal storage though.
Hi,
I want to buy a Microsoft Surface 2 with Windows 8.1 RT.
I want to know is a jailbreak is possible for this tablet, to allow me to launch unofficial apps like "the no RT windows".
I also want to know if it's possible to install Android Playstore on it, and if it's possible to watch football stream like on this site on it : http://xn--frstrowsports-39b.eu/
Thanks
OK, first of all (and should be obvious): There's no jailbreak (which is a software mod) to make an ARM processor run x86 code. That's like asking if you anybody has a way to turn an iPad into a MacBook Pro.
Second: There's no (publicly released) jailbreak for RT 8.1 at this time, but if you want to you can downgrade to 8.0 (may take a little work to get it going but is said to be possible) and then use the 8.0 jailbreak. This will let you run code on the Desktop, but the programs still need to either be .NET based or need to be recompiled from x86 (normal Windows CPU architecture) to ARM (mobile device CPU architecture). See the link in my signature.
No, you can't run Android apps on it. Same way you can't run iOS apps on Android or Android apps on iOS, or Mac apps on Windows.
There are lots of apps on the Windows store for streaming sports videos; I don't know about one for that in particular.
Okay, thanks for your help.
Because i have to choose between a Galaxy Note 10,1" and the Surface 2.
But i don't know if the surface is a good choice, because of the market. The market is really poor i think...
So, on this tablet, we are unable to use Google Chrome for exemple ?
Google has not released a version for RT, so you are correct that it won't work.
On the other hand, the Surface has full IE8.1, not just a crippled mobile UI, meaning it can do things like tracking protect/ad-blocking. It also supports (comes with) full Flashplayer, which hasn't been available on Android for years. Don't know if you find that useful.