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If your connected to wifi and using it, are you gonna get better battery life VS being connected to either 3g or 4g/hspa+?
and Why if so?
Shoot im sorry, this shouldnt be in this forum. I thought I was in the general questions forums. MY bad people. Please move mods.
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Shoot im sorry, this shouldnt be in this forum. I thought I was in the general questions forums. MY bad people. Please move mods.
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This is the General forum. To answer your question, Yes it would use less battery on WiFi. On a data connection the signal is not a constant and the phone is always looking for a stronger signal.
Thanks, thats what I thought. And ive noticed that connected to wifi my battery lasts a lot longer.
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Thanks, thats what I thought. And ive noticed that connected to wifi my battery lasts a lot longer.
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yes. And 4g eats your battery.
When I am only using the phone for data, I use WiFi when available. I turn on airplane mode then activate WiFi.
I don't know about that... when I'm on wifi my battery drains like a mofo. Weapon 3.0 ICS theme faux 1.3 kernel.
On every ROM and Kernel I've tried, Wi-Fi uses much, much less battery than 4G. I haven't tried any of the toggles / battery saving apps though so I'm not sure what effect those might have.
NeKr0MAtiK said:
I don't know about that... when I'm on wifi my battery drains like a mofo. Weapon 3.0 ICS theme faux 1.3 kernel.
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Do you disable data when you use wifi?
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Do you disable data when you use wifi?
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He shouldn't have to. If he's draining faster on WiFi then something is screwy with his setup.
On stock, cyanogenmod 7.1, and cyanogenmod 7.1 with various other kernels I've experienced increased battery drain with wi-fi on and connected with the phone sitting at home the entire day. Turn off wi-fi and let it just use the data connection to T-Mobile and I get drastically increased battery times. I'm assuming those of you who get better battery with wi-fi on are in extremely bad signal areas. Also, if you're on cyanogenmod have you turned off the auto wi-fi disconnect when sleeping feature? If you haven't then your battery life when sleeping should be the same as that of wi-fi turned off.
Wi-fi should always be priority if your in range.
Well my personal experience has been that wi-fi eats up battery like crazy. Same thing happens to the other smartphone users I know around here so I was surprised to see that people get better battery times with wi-fi on. Are you guys completely turning off your cellular radio? I don't like the quality and slight delay of wi-fi calling so my cellular radio stays on when I have wi-fi on.
I don't usually notice much difference between wifi and 3g battery drain here (no 4G for tmo here).
As someone already posted, my drain is worst when 3g signal is poor, like when I'm at work and the metal building interferes with everything.
Have you tried checking logs while connected to wifi to see if maybe some app or service goes crazy?
Nothing fishy going on when wi-fi is on. I get about 10-14 hours on battery with wi-fi on and next to no use of the phone vs somewhere around 20+ hours with wi-fi off and similar extremely light use. I keep meaning to do some more standardized testing where I literally don't touch the phone but life gets in the way and I have to make/answer a call or txt or whatever so I can't nail down any hard numbers. Typical experience on a slow day for me is that if I forget my wi-fi is on, my battery will be somewhere in the 3-5% range when I'm getting ready for bed while if I hadn't left it on, I can go to sleep and wake up and it'll still be hanging in there.
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This is the General forum. To answer your question, Yes it would use less battery on WiFi. On a data connection the signal is not a constant and the phone is always looking for a stronger signal.
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That's true, I've always believed that Wifi eats battery faster because someone(don't remember who) always told me that Wifi uses more battery because it processes data faster, but I always noticed that when I used 4g, it drains a lot faster.
I always blamed it on the ROM, but I can see that it's not the ROM's fault.
Has anyone else experienced any issues like this? Over the past week my Nexus 5 has been going through about 60% battery over night. In the past I would at most use 5-7%. I posted a couple pictures of my battery usage. I live in an area where my signal is always LTE and usually 1-3 bars. I do not have any new apps, location, gps and pretty much all google services SHOULD be off...
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Has anyone else experienced any issues like this? Over the past week my Nexus 5 has been going through about 60% battery over night. In the past I would at most use 5-7%. I posted a couple pictures of my battery usage. I live in an area where my signal is always LTE and usually 1-3 bars. I do not have any new apps, location, gps and pretty much all google services SHOULD be off...
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If you tap on the graph itself you'll be able to see if the phone was awake frequently or if it was losing signal, etc...
If you're seeing that the phone was awake often, try BetterBatteryStats to see what is keeping your phone awake.
Wakelock Detector is another app to try and pin down the problem.
Also, maybe try wifi overnight instead of LTE to see if that might be the issue.
its your signal quality killing your battery. you have phone idle and cell standby taking most your battery.
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its your signal quality killing your battery. you have phone idle and cell standby taking most your battery.
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I guess, but I dont know why all of a sudden it is doing it. My cell signal has remained the same at home since I got the phone in January. Unless for whatever reason it is dropping out all night...
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I guess, but I dont know why all of a sudden it is doing it. My cell signal has remained the same at home since I got the phone in January. Unless for whatever reason it is dropping out all night...
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What is especially strange is it appears you're on WiFi, and yet both the voice and data connection seem to be causing the largest drain here.
Tap the graph so we can get an idea of what the awake times and signal strength was like.
I have a similar gripe and I pinned mine down to stupid photos uploading overnight via wifi and a bunch of other wifi related crap....pretty much network things causing battery drain. also the auto update's killing it for google play stuff.
I found that switching to dalvik and back to ART [which i was on] helped a bit though i supposed there's a process running somewhere in the background that's buggy...here's hoping 4.4.x fixes it
Switch to ART cleared it for me
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Has anyone else experienced any issues like this? Over the past week my Nexus 5 has been going through about 60% battery over night. In the past I would at most use 5-7%. I posted a couple pictures of my battery usage. I live in an area where my signal is always LTE and usually 1-3 bars. I do not have any new apps, location, gps and pretty much all google services SHOULD be off...
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I also saw the same. Turning off functions, etc. had no effect, but switching form Dalvik to ART did. I'm guessing that the change probably cleared something in the OS that was actually causing the problem. Note that the reported sources of battery usage are almost the same in both images, even though battery usage rate is vastly different.
I've attached two screen shots before and after the runtime switch. The red arrow on the before image is when I made the runtime change.
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I also saw the same. Turning off functions, etc. had no effect, but switching form Dalvik to ART did. I'm guessing that the change probably cleared something in the OS that was actually causing the problem. Note that the reported sources of battery usage are almost the same in both images, even though battery usage rate is vastly different.
I've attached two screen shots before and after the runtime switch. The red arrow on the before image is when I made the runtime change.
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This is a shot from last night. I went to bed with about 50% battery life and woke up with a dead phone. Looks like cell signal maybe...
I am already using ART, but maybe I should switch back to dalvik and back to art like someone suggested earlier.
I've noticed more battery drain as well as reduced cell signal. My phone is losing connection in areas where I'd previously have 1-2 bars. I was thinking T-Mobile was changing things on their towers, but I'm starting to see other Nexus 5 owners complaining about it as well. Did they update something in the background on our phones?
You REALLY need to get Gsam and take some screens from it after a night. The stock battery usage screen shots say very little of use.
Otherwise we're are all just guessing here.
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I am already using ART, but maybe I should switch back to dalvik and back to art like someone suggested earlier.
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It's worth a shot, and I, for one, am curious to see if it helps.
FWIW, I just noticed that my battery usage is increasing significantly again. So, I may try the same thing if it persists.
I'd say there is definitely a bug somewhere, possibly interacting with an app or a subset of apps. Are you using Tasker, by any chance?
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You REALLY need to get Gsam and take some screens from it after a night. The stock battery usage screen shots say very little of use.Otherwise we're are all just guessing here.
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Good point.
As I noted in my previous post, my phone started chewing battery again yesterday. No evident trigger, battery usage rate just went up abruptly. I recharged the phone and then left it asleep over night. Images below captured this morning.
Mike585 said:
Good point.
As I noted in my previous post, my phone started chewing battery again yesterday. No evident trigger, battery usage rate just went up abruptly. I recharged the phone and then left it asleep over night. Images below captured this morning.
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Obvious culprits are WiFi and radio. Check in gsam (might be too late if you charged) for kernel Wakelocks. Or try wakelock detector app.
You could have a WiFi issue caused by other devices on your network. Would have to search on that for causes and cures. I'm not sure. I only know its been an issue.
And you appear to have no radio signal at all. If you go in to radio screen from main gsam screen, it will tell you your time searching for signal. That can destroy battery life.
It doesn't seem to he an app. Or general held awake time...as you have hardly any.
Putting phone in airplane mode over night would prove its WiFi or radio.
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If a night of airplane mode is no better, then its a rogue app. That you'd need to track down. Process of elimination style.
But its probably either WiFi or radio signal. I guess if you have location service on, it could be adding to the trouble.
Turning off WiFi would show if its WiFi....or radio. But with very poor radio signal....I know you're battery will take a beating anyway.
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Obvious culprits are WiFi and radio. Putting phone in airplane mode over night would prove its WiFi or radio..
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What's puzzling to me is that it was not an issue until a week ago, then converting to ART made it go away temporarily.
My radio signal is poor, but it's always that way at home. I definitely plan to see what airplane mode does. Will report results.
Thanks for your help.
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What's puzzling to me is that it was not an issue until a week ago, then converting to ART made it go away temporarily.
My radio signal is poor, but it's always that way at home. I definitely plan to see what airplane mode does. Will report results.
Thanks for your help.
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These images are from last night. I went to sleep with about 55 percent and woke up with 31%. The screenies are from betterbatterystats. Maybe you guys see something...
Definitely radio in my case
kj2112, you were right on. :good:
Running in airplane mode removes all serious battery drain on my Nexus 5. If I turn WIFI on, there is only minor battery usage. I've installed OpenSignal and will try monitoring radio reception vs. battery drain.
I'm still puzzled by the sudden onset (could be a problem with my nearest tower, I suppose), and the fact that switching from Dalvik to ART dramatically improved battery life for a few days. That's hard to link to the poor cell signal.
I'm still suspicious that there is a software component, that may or may not be interacting with my cell signal strength.
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Based on posts on other forums, I tried excluding LTE from my preferred network types, and my battery usage improved dramatically. If I choose 3G, signal strength is 2-3 bars. 2G gives me 4-5 bars. With LTE I get 0-1 bars - mostly 0. On 2G my battery life is the best I've ever seen
My suspicion is that the sudden change I saw was caused by a change in the way the radio software selects network speed options. It appears that if the preferred network type selected is LTE, the phone now will expend maximum effort continually to connect to LTE, even if there is no useful signal available. Before the change, it's likely that a stronger LTE signal was required before the phone would attempt a connection.
I'm not sure if the OS determines where that set point is located or if it's something the carrier can control. If it's the carrier then maybe the Nexus 5 has a radio that isn't as efficient as other phones, and the current algorithm is pegged to the best case phone.
If anyone knows how to adjust the conditions for attempting to connect to LTE or has any ides about who does control it, I'd definitely like to know. For now, I set my phone to 2G or 3G when I'm in a poor LTE reception area (which with T-Mobile is most of the time). That actually works okay for me, but I doubt it's a solution for everyone.
I have always used Better Battery Stats to monitor battery life and wakelocks, etc, but without root it's stats are limited. It does show how much time the phone "sleeps", and so far my phone is "awake" 100% of the time. I initially enabled almost everything but am wondering if everyone is experiencing the same?
I'm having cell standby battery drain
Yep same. Phone refuses to sleep. Probably the cause of battery drain. Hoping they release some sort of update to fix that.
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I'm having cell standby battery drain
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I'm sorry... I'm posting this from memory... But I think I saw somewhere that this is caused by the voice over Wi-Fi. In your phone settings turn off calls over Wi-Fi or something like that.
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stanfna said:
I'm sorry... I'm posting this from memory... But I think I saw somewhere that this is caused by the voice over Wi-Fi. In your phone settings turn off calls over Wi-Fi or something like that.
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I had heard that as well in the main S6 forum but I don't see a wifi calling option on the vzw variant. Am I missing that or is it only present on the international version?
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I had heard that as well in the main S6 forum but I don't see a wifi calling option on the vzw variant. Am I missing that or is it only present on the international version?
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I think it's called VoLTE or something. I'm still waiting on my 128gb version so I can't check for you.
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VoLTE is Verizon's HD voice. Don't know how that would cause cell standby issue. I'm having issue as well and it sucks.
maverick96 said:
VoLTE is Verizon's HD voice. Don't know how that would cause cell standby issue. I'm having issue as well and it sucks.
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Right, its not enabled by default either so I'd think that rules it out as a culprit.
Something is certainly going on though to have these high cell standby times. May require an update from the powers that be to fix this. Aside from disabling everything on the phone which isn't happening.
But if its a big that's prevalent in the tmobile version as well, it may very well be the same bug depending on how Verizon chopped the feature from the software.
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But if its a big that's prevalent in the tmobile version as well, it may very well be the same bug depending on how Verizon chopped the feature from the software.
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Yeah it seems likely it's an issue that will be fixed across the board if it does get fixed. I'm hoping it happens in the first 14 days while I'm in trial, cuz otherwise I'm not sure if I'll keep it or not. Strange thing is some people seem way less affected though. And that's coming from a guy that typically has full or near full bars at both work and home so I'm certainly not in a fringe area by any means. Idk?
I have full bars all the time data disabled and I still get it
I had cell standby issues all weekend. Last night I turned off VoLTE ("Advanced Calling") on mine, and turned off cell data altogether while at home on Wifi. I was going to test it all day today like that, but this morning I thought, "No, this is dumb, if I can't use VoLTE the phone is worthless as I need simultaneous voice/data". So I turned it all back on, and Cell Standby isn't even on my battery life screen now. And it's had plenty of time to show up... Right now I'm at 50% battery life, 1.5 hours SOT, and 6 hours on battery total. My problem is Google Play Services is killing me - also a new problem since yesterday, and I have no idea what's behind it.
Cell standby is eating my lunch (and battery), too. 20% of my battery utilization, and my phone is running hot. The latter makes me think it's some app causing both the consumption and the heat, but darned if I know why.
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Cell standby is eating my lunch (and battery), too. 20% of my battery utilization, and my phone is running hot. The latter makes me think it's some app causing both the consumption and the heat, but darned if I know why.
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It seems there are two things that might fix that - turning off wifi completely, and wiping cache (boot into recovery [vol-up + home + power]). Have you tried either of those yet?
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It seems there are two things that might fix that - turning off wifi completely, and wiping cache (boot into recovery [vol-up + home + power]). Have you tried either of those yet?
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No wifi isn't really an option, so I've wiped cache. I'll report back. Thanks!
Reporting back: no difference. This is a bug, as reported many places. Might be a deal-breaker for me, coupled with the prospect of no root. Might have to swap to the Motorola device.
Not sure if this is normal but seems a bit high to me.. I never noticed it get that high on my S5 before.
Also, my battery seems to run down pretty fast while I am on it, I can literally watch it once I take it off the charger at 100% and it going down to 90% within 30 minutes.
Attaching some pictures from GSam.
Wifi is said to be one of those utilities that simply eat ups the battery very quickly. Try to kill the wifi and other apps that are not in use to improve your battery timings.
Turning off the Wifi helps for sure, but I would have expected that changing the setting to turn off wifi when sleeping would have helped, but it didn't. My guess is that the wifi must be preventing it from sleeping.
I'm having the same issue. Any updates?
WiFi is definitely the reason for the battery drain. Not sure why though.
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WiFi is definitely the reason for the battery drain. Not sure why though.
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Yeah, most people are saying because of VoLTE but my phone doesn't have that. Weird.
The Verizon variant has "Advanced Calling" which is VOLTE. What is weird, is when I am on WiFi, and Advanced Calling is off, battery is even worse, than when Advanced Calling is on, and on WiFi... WiFi being off definitely helps my battery, but that is not going to work for me!
hi,
does anybody else have huge cell standby drain? it consumes most of my battery at around 27% over a day. 10% of it happened overnight. I am still testing for wakelocks and signal strength, but I hope someone had this issue already, and maybe found a solution.
also merry Christmas
ferdzso said:
hi,
does anybody else have huge cell standby drain? it consumes most of my battery at around 27% over a day. 10% of it happened overnight. I am still testing for wakelocks and signal strength, but I hope someone had this issue already, and maybe found a solution.
also merry Christmas
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Hi,
Try disabling the Always on display, I had battery drain 10% overnight and disabled it only drained 2% may be it's that...
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Try disabling the Always on display, I had battery drain 10% overnight and disabled it only drained 2% may be it's that...
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thanks, I will check that tomorrow night. did that appear as cell standby as well?
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Try disabling the Always on display, I had battery drain 10% overnight and disabled it only drained 2% may be it's that...
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Did you have the motion sensor option checked?
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Did you have the motion sensor option checked?
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Yeah I did so not sure what caused it to drain that fast. Devsk in another thread states something similar and switches his off oh well good attempt by HTC to do something different which is appreciated.
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Yeah I did so not sure what caused it to drain that fast. Devsk in another thread states something similar and switches his off oh well good attempt by HTC to do something different which is appreciated.
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I think the firmware still needs a lot of improvements
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Yeah cell standby drain is high even for me right now. I had it on normal U11 but it didn't affect usage.
On here, my battery life is only 5 hours SOT over 24 hours, so the same as U11. Cell standby drain took 30% battery.
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Yeah cell standby drain is high even for me right now. I had it on normal U11 but it didn't affect usage.
On here, my battery life is only 5 hours SOT over 24 hours, so the same as U11. Cell standby drain took 30% battery.
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5 hours SOT is not great for me, at least from this big a battery, it should be a comfortable 5 hours not just barely.
I have identified the biggest culprit. it is location services. on battery saver it consumed 15% overnight. if I turn it off it was only 4%.I am testing a few other options. tonight I will check how high accuracy affects it, then location history if it does not solve it
Today, mobile network standby absolutely destroyed my battery. It used 40% of my battery.
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Today, mobile network standby absolutely destroyed my battery. It used 40% of my battery.
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I think it might have to do something with location services and network strength. the network is not the strongest in the room I sleep, but I never had such a horrible drain with any phone
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I think it might have to do something with location services and network strength. the network is not the strongest in the room I sleep, but I never had such a horrible drain with any phone
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Do you leave mobile data on overnight?
Could be that its swopping from 4g/3g constantly which can kill your battery.
could try changing the sim modes by typing *#*#4636#*#* in the dialer? experiment under phone info, set preferred network type.
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Do you leave mobile data on overnight?
Could be that its swopping from 4g/3g constantly which can kill your battery.
could try changing the sim modes by typing *#*#4636#*#* in the dialer? experiment under phone info, set preferred network type.
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Do you leave mobile data on overnight?
Could be that its swopping from 4g/3g constantly which can kill your battery.
could try changing the sim modes by typing *#*#4636#*#* in the dialer? experiment under phone info, set preferred network type.
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Do you leave mobile data on overnight?
Could be that its swopping from 4g/3g constantly which can kill your battery.
could try changing the sim modes by typing *#*#4636#*#* in the dialer? experiment under phone info, set preferred network type.
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Setting to 3g only for example didn't really change much.
Also it seems that your U11+ may not be going into deep sleep. I don't always have wifi/data on all the time and overnight my battery drain is only 2 to 3% as stated in previous post and mobile network standby was 30%. But it's currently on 4% so not sure what the difference is...
HTC haven't solved this issue since U11…Maybe needed more people to report this bug or HTC won't do anything for this
In developer options try turning off always on data. It's an Oreo feature but seems an unnecessary drain on battery.
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In developer options try turning off always on data. It's an Oreo feature but seems an unnecessary drain on battery.
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only affects WiFi usage
I think I solved the issue.
I usually only use data, leave location on (battery saver mode without wifi scanning, Google location history enabled).
the thing that likely solved it for me was to reset the network settings.
Settings/System/Reset/Network settings reset
it goes to sleep properly I get 1-2% drain overnight.
alternatively somebody mentioned that clearing cache for sense home might do it as we. I did it both, and no longer have the issue (for 3 days, right now I am turning stuff back on to see if it might be something else)
if someone has the issue and tries it, let me know if this is an actual solution for you
Will want to see actual confirmation though with battery stats after a full day otherwise these claims are moot
Not saying you're lying, but evidence always helps rather than text lol
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Will want to see actual confirmation though with battery stats after a full day otherwise these claims are moot
Not saying you're lying, but evidence always helps rather than text lol
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here's the past 4 days
I am not sure why GSam only saved 4 days, I was running it for more. bot on the first day I still had the issue, and since then I was trying to fix it.
the only 2 other things that I can think of what solved the battery drain was that I do not just throw the phone on my chair, but lay it on a flat surface, or that due to the holidays the cell reception around my area was worse, and that was the one draining the battery and causing the low reception. if I check now, the cell strength is exactly the same, but in GSam in cell usage I had a lot more Low showing up. after a reset, this seems to have been solved
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here's the past 4 days
I am not sure why GSam only saved 4 days, I was running it for more. bot on the first day I still had the issue, and since then I was trying to fix it.
the only 2 other things that I can think of what solved the battery drain was that I do not just throw the phone on my chair, but lay it on a flat surface, or that due to the holidays the cell reception around my area was worse, and that was the one draining the battery and causing the low reception. if I check now, the cell strength is exactly the same, but in GSam in cell usage I had a lot more Low showing up. after a reset, this seems to have been solved
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Interesting, either way at least it is solved for you.
What is your mobile network drain % like in stock battery settings menu before your daily charge?