Hello Community!!
I have owned many androids over the years, and have recently got an S6, hoping to dive back into the game of rooting, modding and messing around until my phones works the way i want it to. There are MANY things that really Piss me off about my T-MObile variant of the S6, including the horrible battery life, bloatware, and lack of personality. I Really would love to root my device, but KNOX. OMG what is this?! If i Root, no Samsung pay? What other downsides are there to rooting? But recently, my phone installed "ANdroid Pay" SO I am thinking, I should just root, forget Samsung pay and just use Google pay or whatever they call it.
As you guys can tell from my sig, I have been very inactive on these forums. I am hoping someone can give me some advice here---
Thanks So much
EMilio
beforedenied said:
Hello Community!!
I have owned many androids over the years, and have recently got an S6, hoping to dive back into the game of rooting, modding and messing around until my phones works the way i want it to. There are MANY things that really Piss me off about my T-MObile variant of the S6, including the horrible battery life, bloatware, and lack of personality. I Really would love to root my device, but KNOX. OMG what is this?! If i Root, no Samsung pay? What other downsides are there to rooting? But recently, my phone installed "ANdroid Pay" SO I am thinking, I should just root, forget Samsung pay and just use Google pay or whatever they call it.
As you guys can tell from my sig, I have been very inactive on these forums. I am hoping someone can give me some advice here---
Thanks So much
EMilio
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There are pros and cons to root.
The first pro is limitless customizations and personalizations.
The first con is OTA updates get disabled.
Another pro is you are able to dramatically improve battery and overall performance using various apps.
Another con is your warranty will be void, assuming you tripped KNOX.
If you trip KNOX, Samsung Pay no longer works; if you have root (even without touching KNOX) Android Pay does not work.
I obtained root just to prove to myself it could be done.
Since then there have been dramatic improvements with speed and battery life.
Package Disabler Pro can freeze a lot of the bloatware without root: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ospolice.packagedisablerpro&hl=en
Hi,
It's a highly personal decision. I myself for the first time am holding on rooting - I was the one who made the most famous Xoom rooting tool and also S4 Linux Root Script, so that tells a lot. The thing is, meanwhile my device is satisfying my needs, and I'm really curious about Samsung Pay, as it has a way wider support than Android Pay and other systems.
The best thing about rooting in my opinion was the endless system customization - specially after Xposed was released. The way better data management I had, better system control and some exclusive apps that require root or works better with root. If you are really pissed about Samsung TouchWiz apps and system "features", rooting would be a nice idea. Just keep in mind that after rooting Knox will be tripped and there's no turning back with Knox. Depending on your country, Knox trip also means warranty void, because once rooted you can unroot and make it looks like nothing happened.
Just adding what was already said, but Android Pay doesn't work with root.
All the best,
~Lord
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XxLordxX said:
Hi,
It's a highly personal decision. I myself for the first time am holding on rooting - I was the one who made the most famous Xoom rooting tool and also S4 Linux Root Script, so that tells a lot. The thing is, meanwhile my device is satisfying my needs, and I'm really curious about Samsung Pay, as it has a way wider support than Android Pay and other systems.
The best thing about rooting in my opinion was the endless system customization - specially after Xposed was released. The way better data management I had, better system control and some exclusive apps that require root or works better with root. If you are really pissed about Samsung TouchWiz apps and system "features", rooting would be a nice idea. Just keep in mind that after rooting Knox will be tripped and there's no turning back with Knox. Depending on your country, Knox trip also means warranty void, because once rooted you can unroot and make it looks like nothing happened.
Just adding what was already said, but Android Pay doesn't work with root.
All the best,
~Lord
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Rooting doesn't allways mean tripped knox. I have my G920F rooted and knox intact. This can be done even after updrade to 5.1.1 stok firmware.
An android phone for me is worthless without root permissions. I need it for:
adaway adds
iptables (firewall)
better battery life (debloat)
titanium backup
JuanRamiro said:
Rooting doesn't allways mean tripped knox. I have my G920F rooted and knox intact. This can be done even after updrade to 5.1.1 stok firmware.
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I was only aware of root that can be applied before upgrade to 5.1.1.
Can you advise how you applied root after 5.1.1? Thanks.
Iceman_jkh said:
I was only aware of root that can be applied before upgrade to 5.1.1.
Can you advise how you applied root after 5.1.1? Thanks.
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Just install de 5.0.2 engineering bootloader via ODIN. Then instal TRWP via ODIN.
After this two steps you can flash whatever you want via TRWP.
Edit: with the 5.0.2 bootloader you will loose fingerprint scanner, the rest works great, at least with the custom rom I am using.
JuanRamiro said:
Just install de 5.0.2 engineering bootloader via ODIN. Then instal TRWP via ODIN.
After this two steps you can flash whatever you want via TRWP.
Edit: with the 5.0.2 bootloader you will loose fingerprint scanner, the rest works great, at least with the custom rom I am using.
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Keep in mind this engineering bootloader does not work with all variants. For example there is no Eng Bootloader for the Canadian phones.
Thank you both. I have the international SM-G920F (technically it's the dual Sim version, SM-G920FD, (from United Arab Emirates)).
So, to confirm, would the eng boot loader still work on my device variant, and allow root without tripping KNOX?
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Iceman_jkh said:
Thank you both. I have the international SM-G920F (technically it's the dual Sim version, SM-G920FD, (from United Arab Emirates)).
So, to confirm, would the eng boot loader still work on my device variant, and allow root without tripping KNOX?
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I have the single sim version of the G920F, so I don't know if it will work with the dual sim.
I don't think that it will strip you knox...
... and I think that if your phone doesn't work with this bootloader, you can just flash the correct one and make it work again.
But these are just guesses... you decide if you want to take the risk.
Good luck.
JuanRamiro said:
I have the single sim version of the G920F, so I don't know if it will work with the dual sim.
I don't think that it will strip you knox...
... and I think that if your phone doesn't work with this bootloader, you can just flash the correct one and make it work again.
But these are just guesses... you decide if you want to take the risk.
Good luck.
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Thanks. I did some additional research, thanks to your advice about eng boot loader, and seems like it will work ☺
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JuanRamiro said:
I have the single sim version of the G920F, so I don't know if it will work with the dual sim.
I don't think that it will strip you knox...
... and I think that if your phone doesn't work with this bootloader, you can just flash the correct one and make it work again.
But these are just guesses... you decide if you want to take the risk.
Good luck.
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Hi,
I wouldn't risk that "you can just flash the correct one and make it work again". If you know how a bootloader work, if it gets broken there is no way to get to Download Mode and flash a new firmware/bootloader.
For information sake, a bootloader is a piece of software that is the first thing loaded when you boot your device, it comes before anything, be it kernel, be it recovery or anything else, that means, if you have a broken bootloader, the moment you try to boot your device up, it will try loading BL and it will fail, so it will shut down back again. I've had a broken BL once before on S4, the only way to recover was a direct flash of software in system chip using a tool called JTAG.
So, all I can say to users who still didn't get it: beware with this. It seems that many people are getting successful results, but it's an extremely risk procedure, make sure you read every single instruction and follow it, the possibility of a hard brick is high.
Even still, it's a great find, thanks for sharing with me, I didn't know of this until early today .
All the best,
~Lord
I wonder whether Samsung pay will work again after reflash stock rom after root? Is it like knox, once rooted you will never have it no mater what you do including going back to pure stock?
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Depending on your country, Knox trip also means warranty void, because once rooted you can unroot and make it looks like nothing happened.
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Did you mean, once rooted we can unroot and install the stock firmware and hence tripped Knox will be restored as well?
Or the unrooting will only help to restore the stock but the knox will continue to remain tripped. I would like to know this as I am considering purchasing S6. The last samsung phone I owned was S2 and used that for 3 full years with out any problems.
Thanks.
coolmalayalee said:
Did you mean, once rooted we can unroot and install the stock firmware and hence tripped Knox will be restored as well?
Or the unrooting will only help to restore the stock but the knox will continue to remain tripped. I would like to know this as I am considering purchasing S6. The last samsung phone I owned was S2 and used that for 3 full years with out any problems.
Thanks.
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Once Knox is tripped its tripped but, yes you can flash original firmware and as long as you factory reset it, it will be unrooted and ready for official updates.
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Once Knox is tripped its tripped but, yes you can flash original firmware and as long as you factory reset it, it will be unrooted and ready for official updates.
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Thanks. But can you be a bit more specific of if the unrooting, flashing stock, and factory resting will finally untrip the tripped Knox as well? My question in the event I need to take this back to a service center to claim warranty for whatever reason, is there any way for them to know that I have voided warranty if I unroot, flash back the stock and factory reset?
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Thanks. But can you be a bit more specific of if the unrooting, flashing stock, and factory resting will finally untrip the tripped Knox as well? My question in the event I need to take this back to a service center to claim warranty for whatever reason, is there any way for them to know that I have voided warranty if I unroot, flash back the stock and factory reset?
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Once tripped there is no going back. Voided warranty depends on laws of your country and your retailers policy.
coolmalayalee said:
Thanks. But can you be a bit more specific of if the unrooting, flashing stock, and factory resting will finally untrip the tripped Knox as well? My question in the event I need to take this back to a service center to claim warranty for whatever reason, is there any way for them to know that I have voided warranty if I unroot, flash back the stock and factory reset?
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YOU CAN NOT UNTRIP KNOX, you can reflash your firmware from Sammobile, http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/database/SM-G920F/
use odin and then after you flash, go into recovery or use system settings and conduct a factory reset. It will say Official in the status but, since they will reflash your rom anyways, they will see the knox trip.
It depends on where you purschased your device whether or not they will warranty it with Knox tripped.
Honestly, anyone who roots should understand this information before hand. You should always know how to return to stock unroot.
Jameslwoodward said:
I wonder whether Samsung pay will work again after reflash stock rom after root? Is it like knox, once rooted you will never have it no mater what you do including going back to pure stock?
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After rooting my 5.1.1 without tripping Knox, with the 5.0.2 engineering bootloader (as as described a few posts ago) I have flashed a stok rom with odin and then everything went back as it was before the rooting procedure.
1. I was on stok oficial rom with oficial bootloader.
2. I lost root.
3. Knox was still intact: 0.
4. Fingerprint scanner and MyKnox worked again.
So: after upgrade to 5.1.1, rooting with the 5.0.2 engineering bootloader seems to be safe and also easy to bo back to stock... at least for my model (G920F)
When can i see activity on Galaxy J8 ? i cannot find any thread in XDA for same
There is none at this point in time.
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darktanget said:
When can i see activity on Galaxy J8 ? i cannot find any thread in XDA for same
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You will see activity for that device when more people that have the device start coming here and posting about it.
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I've got one coming Tomorrow or Thursday to replace my LG G Stylo. Looking forward to seeing a root eventually. I don't foresee a large US interest, as it's not even listed on the US samsung website. Seems targeted toward the Indian Market.
plz make custom rom for j8 plzzzzz
why arent ppl making roms for j8???? :/ :crying::crying:
leo77g said:
why arent ppl making roms for j8???? :/ :crying::crying:
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Because their are no developers that own that device, or they do own one of these devices but do not have the want/need to build a ROM. Or because the stock source code is not available for the device, or if the device has a locked bootloader, it can't be flashed with custom recovery and custom ROMs.
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leo77g said:
why arent ppl making roms for j8???? :/ :crying::crying:
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Not yet need wait some time
leo77g said:
why arent ppl making roms for j8???? :/ :crying::crying:
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#1 there's no root
#2 There's no TWRP for it
#3 It's got a locked bootloader
#4 it's a relatively new, and uncommon phone. The developers don't have it, and don't have access to source code for it.
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join my telegram group :- Mod edit: Link removed
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i can make roms join my telegram group
LINK :- Mod edit: Link removed
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Don't use XDA just to get members to join your group.
Also, it's against the rules here to post links to sites that require a user to sign up for an account to view that site or download from that site.
If you can build ROMs and want people here to know about it, post and share your work here then direct members here to your site from the thread that you've posted your discussion or development in here.
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Droidriven said:
Don't use XDA just to get members to join your group.
Also, it's against the rules here to post links to sites that require a user to sign up for an account to view that site or download from that site.
If you can build ROMs and want people here to know about it, post and share your work here then direct members here to your site from the thread that you've posted your discussion or development in here.
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sorry
i downloaded CF-autoroot from https://desktop.firmware.mobi/ to my J810M, odin says pass but still no rooting. I tried to install twrp via odin without sucess too. I tried to instal custom recovery with adb/fastboot but fastboot dont recgonize the device. ADB does but fastboot dont. I tried other samsung phones and fastboot has detected normally... only my J8 has not been detected.
I'll go back and use my "old" motorola g5s plus... cant live without root anymore. Too much merchandising and/or ads that i cannot get rid without root.
guguptb said:
i downloaded CF-autoroot from https://desktop.firmware.mobi/ to my J810M, odin says pass but still no rooting. I tried to install twrp via odin without sucess too. I tried to instal custom recovery with adb/fastboot but fastboot dont recgonize the device. ADB does but fastboot dont. I tried other samsung phones and fastboot has detected normally... only my J8 has not been detected.
I'll go back and use my "old" motorola g5s plus... cant live without root anymore. Too much merchandising and/or ads that i cannot get rid without root.
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I'm assuming that you are not aware that fastboot does not work with Samsung device, they have no fastboot functionality, adb works with Samsung, but fastboot does not.
Samsung does not use fastboot to flash anything because Samsung does not have the same bootloader/fastboot mode that other devices have. Samsung uses Odin, JOdin, Hiemdall, Kies and SmartSwitch to flash the device from PC. Odin, JOdin, Hiemdall and adb(but adb can't flash anything without already being rooted) are used to flash from PC.
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Droidriven said:
I'm assuming that you are not aware that fastboot does not work with Samsung device, they have no fastboot functionality, adb works with Samsung, but fastboot does not.
Samsung does not use fastboot to flash anything because Samsung does not have the same bootloader/fastboot mode that other devices have. Samsung uses Odin, JOdin, Hiemdall, Kies and SmartSwitch to flash the device from PC. Odin, JOdin, Hiemdall and adb(but adb can't flash anything without already being rooted) are used to flash from PC.
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Thanks! Really I was not aware about this. I used Odin through CF autoroot and even I get pass message on Odin the fone don't get rooted. Recovery still the same everything is normal like I have not tried anything. Oem unlocking is activated and I can see message say my bootloader is unlocked, USB debug is activated too...
Dont know what may be happening
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guguptb said:
Thanks! Really I was not aware about this. I used Odin through CF autoroot and even I get pass message on Odin the fone don't get rooted. Recovery still the same everything is normal like I have not tried anything. Oem unlocking is activated and I can see message say my bootloader is unlocked, USB debug is activated too...
Dont know what may be happening
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Factory reset your device then try Odin again.
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Factory reset your device then try Odin again.
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Factory reset via recovery ou via settings? I'll try this, and update u if I successfully root it or not. Another curious thing:
In first time I tried, I used Odin 13 and Everytime I got fail message. But with CF autoroot, that uses Odin 12.3 it pass but don't root.
Thank for the help. Soon as possible I will try factory reset
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guguptb said:
Factory reset via recovery ou via settings? I'll try this, and update u if I successfully root it or not. Another curious thing:
In first time I tried, I used Odin 13 and Everytime I got fail message. But with CF autoroot, that uses Odin 12.3 it pass but don't root.
Thank for the help. Soon as possible I will try factory reset View attachment 4709362
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Use recovery to reset, if you have adoptable storage setup on your device, you need to reverse the adoptable storage process to avoid having issues with sdcard after reset. Also, make certain that you know your Google account password or you'll have issues with factory reset protection.
Also, are you certain that your bootloader is unlocked? Toggling the "OEM unlock" does not necessarily unlock the bootloader, typically, it only puts the device in a state that the bootloader "can" be unlocked if you know the correct unlock method for the device, the unlock process usually involves going to a website to get the correct software/info to unlock the bootloader.
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Droidriven said:
Use recovery to reset, if you have adoptable storage setup on your device, you need to reverse the adoptable storage process to avoid having issues with sdcard after reset. Also, make certain that you know your Google account password or you'll have issues with factory reset protection.
Also, are you certain that your bootloader is unlocked? Toggling the "OEM unlock" does not necessarily unlock the bootloader, typically, it only puts the device in a state that the bootloader "can" be unlocked if you know the correct unlock method for the device, the unlock process usually involves going to a website to get the correct software/info to unlock the bootloader.
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It's not only allowed. Below appears a message telling my bootloader is already unlocked.
All the tutorials I saw on the internet talked about just enabling the enable OEM unlocking option on Samsung J810. I did not see anything saying I should go to a site etc just like I did to root my Motorola 5S plus Sanders.
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guguptb said:
It's not only allowed. Below appears a message telling my bootloader is already unlocked.
All the tutorials I saw on the internet talked about just enabling the enable OEM unlocking option on Samsung J810. I did not see anything saying I should go to a site etc just like I did to root my Motorola 5S plus Sanders.
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Ok, I was asking for definite confirmation.
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Samsung galaxy j810f
I dunno how to make topic in this site but i hope my voice reach developers,last night tried to root this j8 with odin from website called (samsung four )if iam right,and after the half way,it gave me vertification failed so i reseted my phone but samsung apps like browser secert mode and secure folder say there is a root in ur phone while by checking it using root checker it said that i dont have and not installed right,so the main problem here that there are no apps prove to have root also my phone state is offical yet i dunno wat to do,i hope i hadnt done such a root methode,so i hope anyone can help me,then plz iam a j8 user,i dont have money to buy another phone rightnow,so i hope from developers to build a root way for this goddamn phone,thanks for ur hospitality
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I dunno how to make topic in this site but i hope my voice reach developers,last night tried to root this j8 with odin from website called (samsung four )if iam right,and after the half way,it gave me vertification failed so i reseted my phone but samsung apps like browser secert mode and secure folder say there is a root in ur phone while by checking it using root checker it said that i dont have and not installed right,so the main problem here that there are no apps prove to have root also my phone state is offical yet i dunno wat to do,i hope i hadnt done such a root methode,so i hope anyone can help me,then plz iam a j8 user,i dont have money to buy another phone rightnow,so i hope from developers to build a root way for this goddamn phone,thanks for ur hospitality
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Flash your stock firmware via Odin.
Do a Google search for:
"Return to stock (your model number)"
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