has anyone tried just wiping the hard drive on a surface rt then loading a new os just wondering if it would work.
... Are you serious?
Do you know what a locked bootloader means?
It won't boot unless the signature in the OS is valid. You can't just install a new OS.
If someone gets to unlock the bootloader, can you then install another OS ? or do you have to modify it ?
bessian said:
If someone gets to unlock the bootloader, can you then install another OS ? or do you have to modify it ?
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I'd imagine you still have to make sure that the OS is built to run on that device.
Try to install ubuntu on surface rt from bootable usb and report in this thread if it works or not. (caus ubuntu has its bootloader signed by microsoft)
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Noob question I know but I've tried reading up on the subject as much as I can - I still don't fully understand what exactly the locked loader does to this phone (aside from making it more difficult to root) and would really appreciate a brief explanation.
As I understand now the phone can be rooted, ROMs can be loaded (but they have to be specific to the VZW S3 right?), and full recovery options as well. Basically wondering what the disadvantages are and if they're more significant than just a little more work to root/mod the phone? Much thanks!
It prevents root access, you know jail breaking. You can't control your rom. You use the one provided to you by Verizon with all their bloatware. You can't change what software was delivered to you.
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It prevents changing boot.img
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Noob question I know but I've tried reading up on the subject as much as I can - I still don't fully understand what exactly the locked loader does to this phone (aside from making it more difficult to root) and would really appreciate a brief explanation.
As I understand now the phone can be rooted, ROMs can be loaded (but they have to be specific to the VZW S3 right?), and full recovery options as well. Basically wondering what the disadvantages are and if they're more significant than just a little more work to root/mod the phone? Much thanks!
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A locked bootloader is ultimately intended to prevent you from potentially costing the carrier $money$ by:
Bricking your phone and then playing dumb when you return it for an exchange. (people on xda opening admit to this kind of fraud. kinda sad. you brick it you keep it!, or buy another)
Modifying your phone and then blaming bugs on the carrier. A support vampire.
Assuring content providers they've made exclusive deals with that their content is "secure".
Great Question!
If your phone was a Windows 7 computer....
If you rooted it, you'd have an account with Administrator access.
As for the bootloader... Suppose you wanted to upgrade to Windows 8, even though it hasn't been authorized by your ISP, on this Windows 7 computer with a locked bootloader.
You cant, c:\windows is locked. If you change anything in that directory, your Windows 7 computer will start, but only to display "Invalid System Software Installed! Please shutdown and return this computer to your ISP's store for assistance."
What we have on Verizon, is a phone with admin rights (rooted), where we can't re-install the software needed to boot a different operating system.
If you're interested in more detail on how the hardware prevents the bootloader from being cracked, and what the attack vectors are, you might be interested in the presentation linked from this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766638
(And yes I know that c:\windows isn't actually the boot partition on windows. Just trying to make it easier for the OP to understand.)
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Great Question!
If your phone was a Windows 7 computer....
If you rooted it, you'd have an account with Administrator access.
As for the bootloader... Suppose you wanted to upgrade to Windows 8, even though it hasn't been authorized by your ISP, on this Windows 7 computer with a locked bootloader.
You cant, c:\windows is locked. If you change anything in that directory, your Windows 7 computer will start, but only to display "Invalid System Software Installed! Please shutdown and return this computer to your ISP's store for assistance."
What we have on Verizon, is a phone with admin rights (rooted), where we can't re-install the software needed to boot a different operating system.
If you're interested in more detail on how the hardware prevents the bootloader from being cracked, and what the attack vectors are, you might be interested in the presentation linked from this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766638
(And yes I know that c:\windows isn't actually the boot partition on windows. Just trying to make it easier for the OP to understand.)
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Thank you for this explanation, I found it helpful to hear such an analogy.
jmacko said:
Great Question!
If your phone was a Windows 7 computer....
If you rooted it, you'd have an account with Administrator access.
As for the bootloader... Suppose you wanted to upgrade to Windows 8, even though it hasn't been authorized by your ISP, on this Windows 7 computer with a locked bootloader.
You cant, c:\windows is locked. If you change anything in that directory, your Windows 7 computer will start, but only to display "Invalid System Software Installed! Please shutdown and return this computer to your ISP's store for assistance."
What we have on Verizon, is a phone with admin rights (rooted), where we can't re-install the software needed to boot a different operating system.
If you're interested in more detail on how the hardware prevents the bootloader from being cracked, and what the attack vectors are, you might be interested in the presentation linked from this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766638
(And yes I know that c:\windows isn't actually the boot partition on windows. Just trying to make it easier for the OP to understand.)
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Thanks that really helped. So in the example of Jelly Bean -sounds like we need to wait for Verizon to release a version of it? Do all custom ROMs as well have to be based off of the VZW file that checks ok with the bootloader?
I'm really only concerned with Jelly Bean (knowing how long VZW takes to release stuff) and that wifi nag screen, I want to punch someone in the nose every time i see it...I will check out that presentation over lunch, would love to learn all about the details.
interesting and helpful topic.. however.. i thought i understood the locked bootloader situation on my droid bionic i could flash any rom i wanted to in conjunction with bootstrap wich i believe to be a bootloader by pass based recovery but no kernals were able to be flashed that is what i understood to be a locked b.l was not overclocking or custom kernals maybe i was wrong this whole time..
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interesting and helpful topic.. however.. i thought i understood the locked bootloader situation on my droid bionic i could flash any rom i wanted to in conjunction with bootstrap wich i believe to be a bootloader by pass based recovery but no kernals were able to be flashed that is what i understood to be a locked b.l was not overclocking or custom kernals maybe i was wrong this whole time..
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Weird this is how i understood it as well. I'm coming from the Droid X2 and thanks do DK we had cm9 up and running with ICS but the bootloader was locked down. I took it that bootstrap is a recovery tool that works in a way of when your phone is off and you plug it in you boot up to the bootloader. This would allow you to re-flash a rom if your current one was corrupt.
So in my mind you can run different roms and different android versions its just harder to get them on the phone. But from what i've seen you cant flash a new kernal if the bootloader is locked.
Maybe i miss understood this if so i really would like to know fully how this works
On the verizon gs3 the locked bootloader is keeping us from flashing a custom kernel thru odin...we can root and flash a custom rom / recovery but it has to utilize the stock kernel currently. Our bootloader debacle is nothing like moto devices and I wish folks would stop comparing the 2!
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On the verizon gs3 the locked bootloader is keeping us from flashing a custom kernel thru odin...we can root and flash a custom rom / recovery but it has to utilize the stock kernel currently. Our bootloader debacle is nothing like moto devices and I wish folks would stop comparing the 2!
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Exactly, what a locked bootloader will allow you to do will vary on different phones and firmwares. I've known some which would not even allow you to flash a recovery.
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I really hope we get the bootloader unlocked would love to see cm on this phone with some of invisblek's great kernels. btw will I be able to even usrge "set cpu" to overclock and under clock with verizon stock kernal or can this be done with tweaks in the build.prop file, forgive me if this sounds stupid its been a while and I am a samsung's odin first time user.
Sadly this is the outcome of Americans NOT buying a device without a subsidy from the carrier.
Kind of like whining about NOT getting the best Porterhouse steak when buying with food stamps......
I would love to see an end to carrier subsidies.
~~~Sent from the 23rd century, thru a Samsung Onehunglow powered by Walmart brand Higgs Boson particles. (Aisle 27)~~~
I am disappointed in samsung they start to look like Apple can not my apps to my sd card write that they have locked that 2
Hi community
First Thanks to the people who take time to help, and admin that create that forum. Im always glad to see that s there is still people caring about helping each other
I come to you cause I spent the last 2 days trying to fix my brand new phone.
Brand : Xiaomi
Model : Mi ultra
My Computer : MacBook Air
Problem : "The system has been destroy"
Other problem :
- USB debugging OFF (not able to access to the phone in any way)
- Bootloader Locked
How its happen :
After installing an EU Rom, I re locked the boot loader using Adb... And it crashed.
I tried almost everything you find on internet using a Mac and till now nothing worked.
I tried to unlock the boot loader using ADB, which one the only thing who seems to be working and I got an error message saying that the Miunlocktools was too old ... ?
The token was available, as I already unlock it.
Does anyone know how I can switch ON the debugging mode without accessing my phone, or Unlock the boot loader using my Mac.
It seems there is solution possible but using windows computer, and tbh I will not buy a computer just for that.. for the moment
Thanks in advance to everyone
PS : I will offer 50USD straight in BTC to the one who will provide me the solution that will help me to fix it
Locking / unlocking a phone's bootloader is done by means of Fastboot, not ADB.
ADB & Fastboot are 2 completely different things. Don't confuse them.
AFAIK you can't enable ADB ( USB debugging ) from outside, this can only get enabled from inside ( Android Settings -> Developer options ) unless one creates/provides a flashable, properly signed ZIP that contains the code ( read: update-binary script ) to rewrite device's build.prop file entries accordingly.
BTW: A locked bootloader always tries to run device's Stock ROM.
Thanks for your quick answer. In other word, is it possible ? I am looking for what you say.
If I rewrite it, will I be able to switch it ON then ?
Im not at all a professional , that's my first step in this "world". It seems difficult, I will need to read a lot I think
What do you think about the EDL cable also, do you think it can work ?
thxx
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What do you think about the EDL cable also, do you think it can work ?
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IDK.
Never have bricked a phone. And I never owned a Xiaomi device.
locking a bootloader (at least in xiaomi phones )results in the phone being reformatted and the stock rom is installed
also try installing the newest version of miunlock https://en.miui.com/unlock/download_en.html
you might have to wait 7 days or less or more or might not have to
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locking a bootloader (at least in xiaomi phones )results in the phone being reformatted and the stock rom is installed
also try installing the newest version of miunlock https://en.miui.com/unlock/download_en.html
you might have to wait 7 days or less or more or might not have to
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Hi
I re locked the boot loader myself so I unlocked it before
Thats the version I have but in the terminal I got a message saying version is too old...
Hi everyone,
I have an issue with Lenovo K9 Note L38012 and its not booting nor resetting. The message shows the device status locked. I'll attach the screenshots.
Is it normal the lock sign in top of screen if you notice ????
I've tried Qfil / re flushing and all the efforts I've found on youtube and some forums as well. The pictures and the log file is attached too.
Please advise accordingly.
My guess is that Android's DM-VERITY and/or AVB is enabled, and phone's bootloader is locked.
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My guess is that Android's DM-VERITY and/or AVB is enabled, and phone's bootloader is locked.
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What's the solution then? This is not rooted nor in USB debugging mode and its locked at initial stage.
Any tip or advise / guide ?
Sundesa said:
What's the solution then? This is not rooted nor in USB debugging mode and its locked at initial stage.
Any tip or advise / guide ?
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Your phone is currently configured so that all attempts to change its bootloader / Android OS are blocked.
If you think the phone in the state you bought it isn't what you wanted, want to tamper/modify its Android OS then you have to unlock phone's bootloader, disable its Verified Boot, flash a Custom Recovery, flash a Custom ROM, or whatsoever. It's on you.
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Your phone is currently configured so that all attempts to change its bootloader / Android OS are blocked.
If you think the phone in the state you bought it isn't what you wanted, want to tamper/modify its Android OS then you have to unlock phone's bootloader, disable its Verified Boot, flash a Custom Recovery, flash a Custom ROM, or whatsoever. It's on you.
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Hi
jwoegerbauer said:
Your phone is currently configured so that all attempts to change its bootloader / Android OS are blocked.
If you think the phone in the state you bought it isn't what you wanted, want to tamper/modify its Android OS then you have to unlock phone's bootloader, disable its Verified Boot, flash a Custom Recovery, flash a Custom ROM, or whatsoever. It's on you.
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Hi,
Can you please assist me how to do so the suggestions you have given in your above comments?
I'm just new to it and have to do it for the first time. How can I unlock the device?
I've found very useful video but unfortunately I don't have the required files for my device.
How to Fix "FAILED (remote: flash_cmds error!)" in Platform Tools.
Regards.
I have a Samsung A12 and I can't root it in fact I can't get anything to work I have never rooted a phone before can someone plz help my oem is not showing up either.
welcome to xda. in order for your phone to be unlocked, you have to unlock your bootloader.
has that been done yet? if not, do you know what that is?
pojr said:
welcome to xda. in order for your phone to be unlocked, you have to unlock your bootloader.
has that been done yet? if not, do you know what that is?
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No I've heard of it but I'm not sure sorry
To root a device's Android it's NOT required that device's bootloader gets unlocked.
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To root a device's Android it's NOT required that device's bootloader gets unlocked.
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is that so? i always needed to unlock my bootloader in order to flash roms and magisk. but i know a lot has changed recently. maybe there's some exploit that allows you to root without needing to flash anything. hopefully you're not talking those suspicious apps like kingroot or whatever.
Take note that Android OS is rooted when SU binary is present within it. Android OS has NOTHING to do with device's bootloader ( what is comparable to BIOS of a Windows PC ).
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I am trying to unlock my nord ce 2 bootloader but everytime I try to access bootloader mode, it says something like Unlock_Verify_device ok and then reboots
how can I unlock the bootloader? Same happens on my nord 2. Oem unlocking is enabled and I have no selection of advanched startup options. I have magisk boot.img to flash
Can't say I experienced that myself. The message you got looks promising. The 'unlock_verify_device ok' message means you're getting to fastboot. But I'm not sure why it's rebooting. Do you have enough time to run the command 'fastboot devices'?
Also, what version is your firmware?
Here is the guide I used when I was unlocking the bootloader: https://www.droidwin.com/how-to-unlock-bootloader-on-oneplus-nord-ce-2/
I am running android 12 beta on oxygenos
Edit: fastboot doesn´t even find the device
Oh, now it tells that serial is not match. what's going on?
so? Can anyone help? Phone keeps saying that serial is not match and then reboots. Is this phone just a joke or something? Gonna buy samsung if yes.
What model is your phone? I wasn't aware of the Android 12 beta being available for the Nord CE 2. Another thing to try is this tutorial to manually install the OnePlus drivers: https://www.droidwin.com/fix-android-device-not-showing-in-fastboot-mode/
Was looking on the nord ce 1 xda Forum. It's only recently that a few roms and twrp are starting to appear, so there is hope. IMO oneplus need to take £$50 off the price, more users = more chance of getting more development
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Can't say I experienced that myself. The message you got looks promising. The 'unlock_verify_device ok' message means you're getting to fastboot. But I'm not sure why it's rebooting. Do you have enough time to run the command 'fastboot devices'?
Also, what version is your firmware?
Here is the guide I used when I was unlocking the bootloader: https://www.droidwin.com/how-to-unlock-bootloader-on-oneplus-nord-ce-2/
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I don't have fastboot on my device Nord ce 2 ..when I type fastboot reboot bootloader then it directly reboot into my device ..Please somebody help me.Im on current Android 12.1 version
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I don't have fastboot on my device Nord ce 2 ..when I type fastboot reboot bootloader then it directly reboot into my device ..Please somebody help me.Im on current Android 12.1 version
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Fastboot is stuffed on this device. There's no longer a way to make fastboot work.
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Fastboot is stuffed on this device. There's no longer a way to make fastboot work.
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I wanna unlock bootloader..is there any way to unlock ?
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I wanna unlock bootloader..is there any way to unlock ?
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No unfortunately.
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No unfortunately.
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Did you able to unlock bootloader?
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Did you able to unlock bootloader?
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No I am not able to unlock the bootloader either. There is currently nothing we can do.
Hi everyone, any update on this? Did someone manage to unlock the bootloader?
If I'm not mistaken. You can rollback to android 11 to get it back.
I'm currently facing the same problem, so I tried rolling back and have downloaded over 20 rollback zips now, and extracted them. All won't work, it reboots in recovery. And it is like fastboot just doesn't exist. So yeah they probably messed it up.
I'm so sad, I switched from Iphone to Oneplus partly because of the rooting options. So sad
Can I do this trough adb or not?
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I'm currently facing the same problem, so I tried rolling back and have downloaded over 20 rollback zips now, and extracted them. All won't work, it reboots in recovery. And it is like fastboot just doesn't exist. So yeah they probably messed it up.
I'm so sad, I switched from Iphone to Oneplus partly because of the rooting options. So sad
Can I do this trough adb or not?
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You don't extract it though. You just rename it by removing the _Rollback at the end.
See here: https://droidwin.com/downgrade-oneplus-nord-ce-2-from-android-12-to-android-11/