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Ok, This seems like such a obvious thing to do that there must be a reason it hasn't been done yet.
The idea, the galaxy s i9000 has a thin plastic back cover, which wouldn't interfere with an induction charging mod. So why hasn't one been done yet?
secondary question:
via induction charging; Is it possible to charge directly to the battery connectors? or does the charge need to go through the USB port to work? I think it's a bit ugly having wires protruding out that then need to connect to a usb head and then plug into the phone... I imagine that the battery may still charge with a direct charge to the battery, but the software may not control it. (i.e. no awareness that the phone is on charge)
What do you guys think?
Cheers,
Evan
Evanlw85 said:
Ok, This seems like such a obvious thing to do that there must be a reason it hasn't been done yet.
The idea, the galaxy s i9000 has a thin plastic back cover, which wouldn't interfere with an induction charging mod. So why hasn't one been done yet?
secondary question:
via induction charging; Is it possible to charge directly to the battery connectors? or does the charge need to go through the USB port to work? I think it's a bit ugly having wires protruding out that then need to connect to a usb head and then plug into the phone... I imagine that the battery may still charge with a direct charge to the battery, but the software may not control it. (i.e. no awareness that the phone is on charge)
What do you guys think?
Cheers,
Evan
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Possible? Yes. Safe? No.
Direct connection to the battery will probably overcharge the battery.
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Palm Pre has it, and there was a mod for an Evo 4G using the Palm Pre coil; so a mod is perhaps technically possible. But I wouldn’t mess around with it. Inductive charging is inefficient add produces more heat compared to normal charging. Galaxy S heats up while charging even the normal way, I don’t want to make it worse.
As for charging methods, generally speaking, I much prefer open charging contacts with a desktop cradle like design (like used in home cordless phones) over inductive charging.
wouldn't necessarily overcharge if a charge controller was in place. (direct connection to battery)
Palm Pre mod here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=862879
Although no sign of him since the mod, which is a little worrying
FlanFlinger said:
Palm Pre mod here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=862879
Although no sign of him since the mod, which is a little worrying
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Still here , and Phone including the mod are still working.
I'm quite satisfied with the mod, the only real flaw is that the compass is practically unuseable (but I never really used the compass, so i don't care)
And I does charge a little slower , the back (were the coil is sitting) gets warm after sometime , but nothing to worry about (maybe 38°C).
I would not recommend to charge the battery directly the 5V that the coil "produces" may not only overcharge the battery but may also destroy parts of the phone.
I connected the wires to the usb-port (Internally), so its like you are charging over the usb port, so there's no risk of overcharging.
Any details on how you did that? from the other thread it looks like you have one wire running off to a screw (ground point?) and another directly to the battery.
take a look at this:
well thats awsome although im a bit worried about messing with my phone
http://www.qianqin.de/2011/09/18/samsung-galaxy-s-wireless-inductive-charging-mod/
He's already ordered parts for making a fully invisible inductive charging mod (with the MicroUSB slot being completely free) so check the website in about a week or two.
can't get hold of a palm pre back... so need to make our own coil. But what length does the coil need to be?
This is all very impressive. But induction charging seems pretty useless since you can't really use the phone while charging.
disclaimernotice said:
This is all very impressive. But induction charging seems pretty useless since you can't really use the phone while charging.
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music? remote desktop? while sleeping? tap with it on the stand anyway? attach a magnet?
Ok so I was told by a Sony store employee that the Z4 might have wireless charging and most likely it is Qi based. I have had a lot of experience with wireless charging with the N6 for which I bought a Tylt Vu since I was told it was the fastest but alas it's much much slower than the stock charger and also slower to a cheap Nokia stock charger belonging to some dumb phone.
I prefer the magnetic dock system it charges my Sony faster than the wireless system of the N6 it would truly be a step back if Sony only included Qi and deleted the magnetic system from the next flagship. Don't get me wrong the Tylt Vu is a very capable dock but when compared to the likes of Sony DK docks it's not half as grippy neither does it charge as fast.
What do you all think ?
I like the convenience of wireless charging that my nexus 5 had, It's something I miss on the z3. Not really a fan of the magnetic charging
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rxil said:
I like the convenience of wireless charging that my nexus 5 had, It's something I miss on the z3. Not really a fan of the magnetic charging
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Out of interest, how can anyone have a problem with magnetic charging? The usb socket is a weak point on many devices; often they're glued or soldered onto the boards with no regard for longevity - indeed, it wouldn't surprise me if they are deliberate weakpoints, exempt from warranty ("you must have broken it") etc. Magnetic connectors solve all that. Sure, add QI to magnetic (and usb, for data transfer if you can't use wifi for some reason) but I see no downsides to providing magnetic.
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Out of interest, how can anyone have a problem with magnetic charging? The usb socket is a weak point on many devices; often they're glued or soldered onto the boards with no regard for longevity - indeed, it wouldn't surprise me if they are deliberate weakpoints, exempt from warranty ("you must have broken it") etc. Magnetic connectors solve all that. Sure, add QI to magnetic (and usb, for data transfer if you can't use wifi for some reason) but I see no downsides to providing magnetic.
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I agree that the USB port is the weak spot on a device, and will you bring up some good points I don't want to have both of them on my device I'd rather have one or the other but USB charging is more mainstream than the magnetic charging. I've only had my z3 for a few days and haven't gotten around to using the magnetic charging. Waitimg for the adpter in the mail.
Slow charging, for example overnight: Qi for comfort reasons, not cable attached and charging time doesn't matter
Very fast charging, for example "i got 5%, have to get out in 30minutes and got to make it through the day!": USB due to fastest charging times
Casual charging, for example "let's plug it in in the afternoon, my Z3 will make it through the night without any losses and through the next day": Magnetic charging
I don't want to wear out the USB port flap, so i bought the magnetic charging cable even before the Z3 arrived. I guess it will do in everyday usage, i'll have a look on the charging rates. If they're too slow for "power charging", i'll switch to USB.
However, a few months ago i only charged my phone over night. I would have loved to have Qi charging back then, so much better than to find out how to plug in the USB cable in complete darkness.
CentaXx said:
Slow charging, for example overnight: Qi for comfort reasons, not cable attached and charging time doesn't matter
Very fast charging, for example "i got 5%, have to get out in 30minutes and got to make it through the day!": USB due to fastest charging times
Casual charging, for example "let's plug it in in the afternoon, my Z3 will make it through the night without any losses and through the next day": Magnetic charging
I don't want to wear out the USB port flap, so i bought the magnetic charging cable even before the Z3 arrived. I guess it will do in everyday usage, i'll have a look on the charging rates. If they're too slow for "power charging", i'll switch to USB.
However, a few months ago i only charged my phone over night. I would have loved to have Qi charging back then, so much better than to find out how to plug in the USB cable in complete darkness.
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Some people claim the magnetic charging is faster than usb. I wouldn't know - i've only used usb to charge it once, and I was playing around with stamina mode at the time (for some reason stamina mode really slows down charging).
I wish this phone supported wireless charging! I charge with the Sony DK magnetic dock and it works well but can get a little finicky to get seated properly but I still prefer it to fiddling with those micro-USB connectors. I charge overnight 90% of the time and so even if wireless charging is slower that's fine with me. I'm ok having to plug in if I need a quicker charge when I forget to charge the night before, although with the Z3 that's not as big a deal because it's not too tough to stretch two days out of a charge with moderate use (on a bit of a limp towards the end of the second day).
This phone would be pretty close to perfect for me if it had wireless charging, a removable battery, and no ultra-slippery glass back (I really don't like the glass back!!).
I just slide the phone into the correct position no need to put in in a specific way. I have fixed the dock with double side tape all I need to find in the dark is the groove in the dock and slide the phone in place. As far as overnight charging is concerned I use the dock overnight without any problems. For the Nexus 6 the tylt vu dock its not a stable combo I mean it's really not sturdy any sort of vibration causes the Nexus 6 to detach so it's not the dock for overnight recharge.
I use qi chargers on samsung's phones and magnetic on Z ultra. Qi charger is very convenient and beside slow charging and heat disipation there is no minuses ( I have qi car charger from nokia and works well with all phones), magnetic charger is faster BUT you are still connected to a cable and the weak magnet is making the solution unusable in car. A COMBINATION OF THEM WILL BE THE PERFECT SOLUTION
P.S. Sony make some great accesories...why the h__l they did not made a magneting car dock I don't understand...
P.S.2 qi charger for moto 360 works like a charm....the best solution of all regarding smartwatch charging
My Z3 was working fine with the magnetic charger for about 2 weeks. After that it just wouldn't connect like how it used to. Now, I'll have to adjust the magnetic charger to a certain angle for it to charge. why is this happening?
It would just snap into place and start charging, but now it only charges if i adjust it to a certain angle (by raising the port slightly higher after snapping into place)
lego232 said:
My Z3 was working fine with the magnetic charger for about 2 weeks. After that it just wouldn't connect like how it used to. Now, I'll have to adjust the magnetic charger to a certain angle for it to charge. why is this happening?
It would just snap into place and start charging, but now it only charges if i adjust it to a certain angle (by raising the port slightly higher after snapping into place)
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What kind of magnetic charger do you use, do you have protective case on...those are essential things when you even think of asking questions or for help...
Hi,
I want to retrofit wireless charging capability with one of those thin receivers you can put between your phone and the case and then plug into the usb port. The only thing that worries me is a coil or antenna or something which is sitting on top of the battery. I can be seen in this disassembly video: https://youtu.be/kNzDbb-lJzs?t=42 This would probably be covered by the added receiver. What is this? Would covering this up be a problem?
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Hi,
I want to retrofit wireless charging capability with one of those thin receivers you can put between your phone and the case and then plug into the usb port. The only thing that worries me is a coil or antenna or something which is sitting on top of the battery. I can be seen in this disassembly video: https://youtu.be/kNzDbb-lJzs?t=42 This would probably be covered by the added receiver. What is this? Would covering this up be a problem?
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NFC.
It doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
Mhm, ok. If I don't want to use NFC anyway would this be a problem? I mean, the phone should be able to handle beeing placed on a qi charging station (if someone is ignorant that it does not have this function) without induction of any harmful currents into that antenna, right? So I would just loose the NFC functionality if I shield it with the receiver patch.
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Mhm, ok. If I don't want to use NFC anyway would this be a problem? I mean, the phone should be able to handle beeing placed on a qi charging station (if someone is ignorant that it does not have this function) without induction of any harmful currents into that antenna, right? So I would just loose the NFC functionality if I shield it with the receiver patch.
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My reaction was not about NFC, it is even possible that it will continue to work, maybe it will be less sensitive. I just expressed my opinion that I personally dislike your intention, because I don't think wireless charging is a killer feature for the ZF6 that we have to regret not having. Moreover, our battery size and space in which it is located and cooled, and so on is not at all adapted for continuous wireless charging and higher charging temperature.
After all, we don't charge so often with our big battery, and when you charging by cable, you charge more environmentally and faster than with the best wireless charger. That is to be remembered, and that is what I meant and what was my point.
For me NFC and big battery are killer features, but wireless charging isn't.
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For me NFC and big battery are killer features, but wireless charging isn't.
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OK, I am getting your point. I just bought this phone, and was not used to having a battery that can go two days easily. I have qi chargers scattered around everywhere (car, office, living room ...) to top up my battery whenever I lay my phone down somewhere. That is starting to seem a bit pointless. I just discovered the function to slowly (and therefore least damaging to the battery) charge and reach 100% at a specified time. Perfect for overnight charging.
Let's give it a few more days to see if I still feel the urge to retrofit wireless charging.
But from the purely technical standpoint, I had another thought. The qi charger only switches on the charging field when it detects a compatible device set down on it. So it would not do that if an untouched Zenfone 6 would be placed on the charger, and there would not be any danger of inducing currents into the NFC antenna and damaging something. Now, if I retrofit a charging pad the charger actually does produce a field when the phone is on it, thats the whole point. No idea how much current would actually be inducted in the NFC antenna, but I am very certain it is not zero. Does someone have the technical background to at least make a guess?
I've been using magnetic cables for my Android phones for years. You put the magnetic USB adapter in the charging port of the phone and the USB cable connects magnetically to it. Makes it very easy to charge your phone while driving, keeps dust and dirt out of the charging port and decreasing the wear and tear on the port from constantly unplugging and plugging in a cable. However, when the USB adapter that stays inserted into the phones USB port is in there for a certain period of time, it seems like maybe around 5 to 8 hours, it triggers samsungs moisture/foreign object sensor and disables the charging port entirely and the only way to charge is by using a wireless charger. There are several ways to temporarily circumvent this but ultimately the sensor always gets triggered and the song and dance starts over and over again.
So that being said, has anyone figured out how to stopped this from happening without rooting? I love my magnetic charging cables and have invested a lot of money in them and I use them not just for my phone but for several other devices likes tablets and stuff because they can universally fit usb-c, micro, nano and thunderbolt with just one cable.
Thanks!
Magnetic Charging Cable, CAFELE 2 Pack/6.6ft Black 3 in 1 Magnetic Phone Charger Universal QC 3.0 Fast Charging Data Sync Nylon Braided USB Cord Magnet Phone Charger for I-P Micro USB Type C Devices https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Y88V5W...t_i_CR814FARQS0EW7RRWGP7?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Did you try with another magnetic adaptor?
I have also been charging with a magnetic charger for many years, now even for the device I've been waiting for almost a month, I ordered brand new kits. I really hope there is no problem like what you described.
Of course I will also buy a wireless charger, but the convenience of using the magnetic one is indispensable for me.
Yeah I'm having the same issue with my magnetic charging cable. I haven't had the phone long enough to see how big of a problem its going to be, When i get the pop up i take the plug tip out for a while and it seems to go away.
Worse comes to worse if it starts to become a major hassle I'll just get a wireless charger hopefully someone will figure out a solid fix before it comes to that
Never knew something like this even existed... Can one leave the tip in the usb port permanently as a cover to protect it from dust/ debris when not using to charge it? It also seems like a great solution for protecting the USB port from the constant wear and tear of plugging/ unplugging into it..
Exactly.
For years I have been using this solution to charge with a magnetic charger and the magnetic adaptor from the cable stays in the phone until I replace the device with another.
Monipeev said:
Did you try with another magnetic adaptor?
I have also been charging with a magnetic charger for many years, now even for the device I've been waiting for almost a month, I ordered brand new kits. I really hope there is no problem like what you described.
Of course I will also buy a wireless charger, but the convenience of using the magnetic one is indispensable for me.
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I have two brands. Both have the issue.
dj24 said:
Never knew something like this even existed... Can one leave the tip in the usb port permanently as a cover to protect it from dust/ debris when not using to charge it? It also seems like a great solution for protecting the USB port from the constant wear and tear of plugging/ unplugging into it..
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Yes.
So I tried something that might have fixed it more permanently. See if this works for anyone.
1. When you have the moisture sensor/foreign object notification and you get the message pop-up stating the charging port has been disabled while trying to charge with a cable plugged in, keep the cable plugged into the phone.
2. Then, restart the phone by pressing and holding power and volume down button and selecting restart.
3. When the phone reboots you will notice that the phone is now charging properly. AND if you unplug and plug the cable there is no moisture notification anymore.
I've tested this for about 24 hours and this has been the longest time it's been without triggering the moisture notification. Normally it takes under 8 hours to trigger.
So if this works then you can keep your magnetic adapter inside the phones charging port indefinitely without getting that moisture notification. I have not tried removing and reinstalling the magnetic adapter which might reset the moisture trigger.
Pulling the adaptor and reinstalling it also seems to at least temporarily reset the moisture notice
I'm glad to find out that I'm not the only one with this trouble. I'm not sure what I did, if anything, to fix/workaround the issue, but I've not seen the moisture sensor trigger for almost 3 days now. (Knock on wood.)
Things I've tried:
Reboot while the charger is connected.
Clear data in the USBSettings system app.
Switch to a magnetic plug that hasn't been used before. (I had several that came with the cables that have remained in the box until now.)
After trying each of these at least twice the problem still occurred again later. Today I realized that it's been a few days since it happened. To clear the warning sometimes it takes a blast of compressed air into the port, sometimes it only takes removing the plug, waiting a moment for the notification to clear and then putting it back in.
BTW, for the curious who haven't seen these before, search for "NetDot Gen12" at Amazon. They are very convenient. This is the 3rd or 4th phone I've used them on, and I also use them on tablets and other devices with a USB charging port. The only issue I've seen besides the moisture sensor on the S22U is that there is a small area on the screen next to the magnet where it is a little less sensitive to the s-pen. It's so small and usually such a non-issue that I didn't realize that it was due to the magnet until recently.
Of course, now that I've mentioned that it's been a few days since the moisture sensor was tripped, it has now happened again and my 3 day streak has ended. :-(
I wonder if the true quality of these cables is being revealed through other means (bugs in hardware through environmental discharge or whatever). Could be something simple like ESD on the pins, crosstalk/interference. Either way it's reading a short to ground and doing its job by protecting the phone.
USB was never designed around these magnetic devices and aren't in spec. It's not a phone problem. It's a cable problem.
There's a comment here: https://us.community.samsung.com/t5...lse-moisture-debris-alert-issues/td-p/2204054 that suggests it may be a software issue, as the commenter states that he's started getting it on the Note 10+.
volcolm said:
I wonder if the true quality of these cables is being revealed through other means (bugs in hardware through environmental discharge or whatever). Could be something simple like ESD on the pins, crosstalk/interference. Either way it's reading a short to ground and doing its job by protecting the phone.
USB was never designed around these magnetic devices and aren't in spec. It's not a phone problem. It's a cable problem.
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Out of all the Android phones I've used with a magnetic cable (which have been probably 5 from various manufacturers over the years) I've never seen this problem before until now. The last Samsung phone I used was an S7 and I do remember having some odd over heating warnings when charging but eventually that problem went away. I think this "foreign object" sensor is being triggered because the magnetic adapter is staying plugged into the usb-c port in the phone but not charging. Thus the sensor is being triggered. However, there seems to be the same pop-up notification message for "moisture detected" and "foreign object detected" since it covers both in the same message. So it is a little tedious to figure out if the moisture sensor is being triggered or the foreign object sensor is being triggered.
Could the cable be at fault? I highly doubt it at least in my experience. It's more realistic that Samsung has placed so many safety sensors on this phone that it's only a matter of time before one gets triggered. But magnetic cables have been around for years and Samsung knows this. So they knew by installing this foreign object sensor that it might break the use of magnetic cables. Which is sad because Apple has had magnetic charging cables for years in their laptops and recently their Apple phones use magsafe wireless chargers which is a magnet built into the phone.
I've also used magnetic chargers for years in my Android phones and tablets and I've never seen it adversely affect it in any way.
I'm having the same issues and I'm not using some cheap knock-off magnetic cable but one that has been on the market almost 3 years, is still available, comes with a 10yr warranty and supports up to QC4.0 on the mobile cable version (which I have) and is also available in a 100w PD version (ChargeASAP Uno cable). These moisture/debris alerts are the FIRST problem I have EVER had with this magnetic cable, and while I originally bought 3 sets (thinking they would wear out from daily use, I never even opened my 2nd & 3rd set until I started having issues with it in my S22 Ultra on day 1 and assumed it was coincidence that moving it from my previous S10+ to this phone exposed a weakness from wear and/or age. Unfortunately the brand new set had the exact same issue.
Now, in my case, I always wirelessly charge, except when I'm in my car using android auto daily (why I bought the magnetic cable) and the once a month or so I copy data to/from a PC. I am getting the moisture/debris alerts every couple hours or more when the magnetic adapter is in and it is HOURS before or after I actually used the magnetic cable (tip was inserted 24/7 until I got tired of this nightmare). On the weekends when I may not drive or sync for 24-48hrs, I've gotten the warning when the phone was just sitting on a table at the lock screen for an extended period in my house. My charge port is spotless without a speck of dust and this continued to happen with a brand new magnetic charging tip that was sealed in an anti-static bag before putting it in the phone. Honestly this MUST be an erroneous BS error and Samsung should address it.
esmith13 said:
I'm having the same issues and I'm not using some cheap knock-off magnetic cable but one that has been on the market almost 3 years, is still available, comes with a 10yr warranty and supports up to QC4.0 on the mobile cable version (which I have) and is also available in a 100w PD version (ChargeASAP Uno cable). These moisture/debris alerts are the FIRST problem I have EVER had with this magnetic cable, and while I originally bought 3 sets (thinking they would wear out from daily use, I never even opened my 2nd & 3rd set until I started having issues with it in my S22 Ultra on day 1 and assumed it was coincidence that moving it from my previous S10+ to this phone exposed a weakness from wear and/or age. Unfortunately the brand new set had the exact same issue.
Now, in my case, I always wirelessly charge, except when I'm in my car using android auto daily (why I bought the magnetic cable) and the once a month or so I copy data to/from a PC. I am getting the moisture/debris alerts every couple hours or more when the magnetic adapter is in and it is HOURS before or after I actually used the magnetic cable (tip was inserted 24/7 until I got tired of this nightmare). On the weekends when I may not drive or sync for 24-48hrs, I've gotten the warning when the phone was just sitting on a table at the lock screen for an extended period in my house. My charge port is spotless without a speck of dust and this continued to happen with a brand new magnetic charging tip that was sealed in an anti-static bag before putting it in the phone. Honestly this MUST be an erroneous BS error and Samsung should address it.
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Can you share a link of the high quality cable you mentioned?
dj24 said:
Can you share a link of the high quality cable you mentioned?
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"Mobile Device" 18w version (I have these): https://chargeasap.com/collections/usb-c-mobile-device-magnetic-cable
They also sell 100w versions geared toward laptops and/or PD Charging
Interesting thread. I never knew about the magnetic system. I do keep a usb-c plug in the port full time to keep out dirt and lint. Never had the moisture popup so far in a week with one inserted in my S22.
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Interesting thread. I never knew about the magnetic system. I do keep a usb-c plug in the port full time to keep out dirt and lint. Never had the moisture popup so far in a week with one inserted in my S22.
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This is interesting. So you use just a plastic usb-c insert cover of sorts? Can you provide a link to the product?
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This is interesting. So you use just a plastic usb-c insert cover of sorts? Can you provide a link to the product?
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There are other versions but these are the last ones I bought: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B085T5L9T6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1
They don't last a long time if you are taking them out every night to charge with a cord. But now that I have wireless charging, they should be more permanent.