whats the difference? - Microsoft Surface

can someone explain to me what the difference is between creating a usb recovery drive and creating a usb recovery image. I feel like im confusing the two and that's why I cant get my surface up and running. Also what do I need as far as storage to make a copy a recovery image? im trynng to use a 16gb flash drive but its says that the drive is not able to make it on that... idk what to do.

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[Q] A problem with the os/rom

I was trying to reinstall my rom, so I format everything excepting the sd-card
but I did a mistake in the last part, I clicked format sd-card wrongly.
Now, I have no os or rom, and i cant run my android to put my files back to it from my laptop.
What should I do now?? I tried to install the rom (zip file) in the fastboot mode,
but it said i hv no system.img, recovery.img..so on..
p.s. my clockwork is still here, but just have no backup for the restortion.
Thank you very much to read this..
I really suck now..
bonki said:
I was trying to reinstall my rom, so I format everything excepting the sd-card
but I did a mistake in the last part, I clicked format sd-card wrongly.
Now, I have no os or rom, and i cant run my android to put my files back to it from my laptop.
What should I do now?? I tried to install the rom (zip file) in the fastboot mode,
but it said i hv no system.img, recovery.img..so on..
p.s. my clockwork is still here, but just have no backup for the restortion.
Thank you very much to read this..
I really suck now..
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You're able to get into Clockwork by booting to recovery from fastboot if I understand your post correctly. (If you're not, you should be able to get there by flashing clockwork from fastboot.)
Once you have clockwork up and running, you might be able to plug the phone into your computer's USB port and access it via adb. If you have adb access you're cool. I think you can mount the sdcard from the clockwork mount options, then push the rom files you want to flash to the sdcard, then you can flash them from within clockwork.
If you need full images (I'm not sure all ROMs are full images, there's some fresh clean images in the Development section people are using for restores).

[Q] UH-OH

Got a bit of a problem folks,, hope to get some help...
i have been running TNT lite since i got the tab and was up to 4.1 and started getting the acore force closes. so i followed some threads and installed clockwork and did the partition reformate and wipe data,,,,
now when i reboot, it gets the birds splash, and moves to the G-tablet boot image (i have the dancing droid one) and it hangs,,,,,,, nothing....
any ideal how i "fix this"...
thanks for any help because as you can see i am at a stop!
jake
I had some issues with my first tab similar to what you are having. The only way I solved it was by reflashing and wiping all date, which takes you back to the EULA. Good luck.
Do you have functional recovery? I'm guessing yes since you partitioned. Go to recovery and flash the rom again. You can mount the usb drivers in cwm to start usb mass storage so that you can download the rom on your computer and transfer to tablet. You can also put rom on external sd card and install from cwm.
When you partitioned the storage you deleted everything including the os. I believe it warned you of that before you did it.
If no recovery then you will have to nvflash. Search nvflash and bekit to get the nvflash info.
Matt
Make sure you are using bekits .8 CWM release. The latest release of CWM gave me fits, the only thing that would install was CM 7.
This isn't an Android Development topic, its a General topic, but don't worry about it, a mod will move it.
As to the question, like the others said. Use CWM .08, Wipe System, Wipe Cache, Install zip from SD Card, Install your choice of ROM (in your case, TnT Lite 4.1), Install gApps.zip, Reboot system now. That should get you up and running.
I am confused about you saying that you just now installed CWM but have been running TnT Lite. How would you have done that or do you mean you tried to update CWM or do you mean you have been using the stock TnT?
Also, feel free to hop on the #Tegratab IRC on Freenode if you need fast troubleshooting. Someone is usually on there to help
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Do you have functional recovery? I'm guessing yes since you partitioned. Go to recovery and flash the rom again. You can mount the usb drivers in cwm to start usb mass storage so that you can download the rom on your computer and transfer to tablet. You can also put rom on external sd card and install from cwm.
When you partitioned the storage you deleted everything including the os. I believe it warned you of that before you did it.
If no recovery then you will have to nvflash. Search nvflash and bekit to get the nvflash info.
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I "think" i tried this last night. I have 4.1.4 Update.zip and recovery folder on an USB stick. In CW, i went to "mount USB" (thinking i could access my USB and install from there) but ???? i didnt see anything and the only options were install update.zip from SD, and from Location but no USB option, and of course no way (that i saw) to brows to another location to "pick" where i wanted to install from.
Im thinking i am missing something with this step, or just plain old doing it wrong..
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This isn't an Android Development topic, its a General topic, but don't worry about it, a mod will move it.
As to the question, like the others said. Use CWM .08, Wipe System, Wipe Cache, Install zip from SD Card, Install your choice of ROM (in your case, TnT Lite 4.1), Install gApps.zip, Reboot system now. That should get you up and running.
I am confused about you saying that you just now installed CWM but have been running TnT Lite. How would you have done that or do you mean you tried to update CWM or do you mean you have been using the stock TnT?
Also, feel free to hop on the #Tegratab IRC on Freenode if you need fast troubleshooting. Someone is usually on there to help
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I have been installing the Roms, by downloading, taking the two "files" and moving them to my tab, and then rebooting with the power volume up,, ,finds the update and installs the ROM. its worked for all of them since 2.2...i thought i read that was an acceptable means of installing the ROM.????
as far as getting the files onto my SD (now). How? my computer doesnt see the tab because it is just hanging on dancing andy(unless there is anothe way of making it "see it", i cant seem to figure out how to get CW to read from my USB drive.....
Im just plain "stuck".
I am by no means a Android guru, and up to this point havnt had problems in the past... I TRULY am thankful for ANY help and all help i have recieved...
thanks folks
Jake
power off the tablet.
hold vol+ then power till u see recovery key pressed in the upper left corner of the screen. it will appear while the birds are still on the screen. If you get to the g tablet screen power off and repeat till u get into cw recovery.
Using volume +/- to navigate up and down Home to select and back to go back one level
Navigate cw recovery till u see mount usb storage i think its under partitions.
when you see usb mounted hook up the usb cable to the computer to the tablet mini usb port. copy the rom of your choice to the tablet. u only need the update.zip
once copied unmount usb storage.
back out till u see apply update.zip
Install and reboot u will be good to go.
of course flash gapps if u know what that is and want market on the tab.
Enjoy.
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i cant seem to figure out how to get CW to read from my USB drive.....
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CW Won't read your USB drive. The "Mount USB" option in CW is to mount your tablet onto your computer as a USB storage device. By doing so, you can push files over to the tablet's internal storage from your computer.
BigJohn
BigJohn89 said:
CW Won't read your USB drive. The "Mount USB" option in CW is to mount your tablet onto your computer as a USB storage device. By doing so, you can push files over to the tablet's internal storage from your computer.
BigJohn
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Agree. That is what I was talking about earlier, I just couldn't remember what it was labelled in CWM. Mount the USB to your PC and push over the file. Then in CWM choose install from sdcard (I think, too lazy to look). Navigate to the rom file and run it. All should be well after that.
Matt
I've had issues with the dancing droid boot animation (as have many others) where it won't get past the boot screen. I wouldn't recommend it for anyone.
japhule said:
I've had issues with the dancing droid boot animation (as have many others) where it won't get past the boot screen. I wouldn't recommend it for anyone.
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How do i get the stock one back? im kinda tired of him also

[Q] Need to recover data after oem unlock

I forgot that after oem unlock all data + sdcard is wiped out. So i had some photos that i need to recover from that device. Is there any thing that i can do to recover them. Any good software alternatives?. I tried testdisk but it couldn't do much , since it couldn't detect partition table type. Currently i am using PC Inspector File Recovery, but lets c what happens. Meanwhile I need some recommendation from the forum?
I don't know if it can help you but take a look at Recuva from Piriform (less than 10 posts, cannot paste a link :'( )
Don't transfer data to the sdcard. Use cwm to mount the sdcard to a computer. Then use a couple of different recovery apps to try and piece your drive back together through the comp.
Its not a thorough wipe so as long as you don't write to the sdcard you should get a decent amount back. This is the most important step. Even booting into android could force writes you don't want.
I am in through CWM
Yeah I am mounting USB via CWM, actually i wanted to copy all the data to the pc and then install CM9 but i saw that there was nothing else remaining
Let see what happens I will be using some recovery software. I will be reporting back if I find something that works better than others

Help I accidently formatted the internal SD

Fat fingers the touch recovery......I just killed the internal SD,
Can I just reinstall ROM ? or do I need to do something else, first...
I tried to reinstall rom from external but stuck on boot animation, but not boot looping.
Thanks
Ignore!
Its almost like it cant find the internal card.
I tried to instal from internal SD...just to see if I can see any directories
and say no files found, and kicks me out.
When I do mount USB storage, only my EXT shows up, no internal no longer pops up.....am I screwed ?
How can I confirm my internal SD card is mounted/unmounted properly.
Thanks for any help
Can you get into recovery or download mode?
If you can get into download mode I would probably just reflash stock firmware and start over.
I tried that, I did ODIN to stock, it loaded the bootloader, but was stuck on boot loops again.
As far as I can tell, phone isnt seeing the internal SD card. Or I am missing the steps to make the phone see it via clock work.
I can access CWM, and DL mode.... in CWM, I can do mount USB, only my EXT shows up.
I format the internal sd(emmc) before every rom flash. Just install rom from external sd card. There is nothing left on the emmc, you wiped it
I think I m hosed....
I think something went wrong with format.
I tried to reinstall ROM, and during install
error: cant mount csdard.adnoird.secure etc...
what version of cwm?
It touch clock work mod recovery. v.5.8.1.3
Error message is
Formatting /sdcard/.andoird_secure...
Error mounting /sdcard/.android_secure!
Question, are able to mount and see internal SD, after the format emmc via usb storage on PC ? Right now only the EXT shows up for me if I USB mount
Ptrout said:
It touch clock work mod recovery. v.5.8.1.3
Error message is
Formatting /sdcard/.andoird_secure...
Error mounting /sdcard/.android_secure!
Question, are able to mount and see internal SD, after the format emmc via usb storage on PC ? Right now only the EXT shows up for me if I USB mount
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I don't use that recovery. I use 5.8. I don't use internal to do anything, I always use external to flash from and store my important stuff. After a while of flashing things the emmc gets jammed up with nonsense.
Just use 5.8 touch, the have to mount and put hidden process folders in that version you have sucks.
Any chance you can link me to the recovery you use, I want to make sure I have the same one.
Thanks you again for the help. Its very appriciated
Ptrout said:
Any chance you can link me to the recovery you use, I want to make sure I have the same one.
Thanks you again for the help. Its very appriciated
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I'll give you a direct download of the one I personally use...Hold on a second
Ok here it is, flash it in odin. Put it in pda and make sure repartition IS NOT checked
http://d-h.st/Rxr
You rock....
Im back up, wow guess CWM makes a difference
Ptrout said:
You rock....
Im back up, wow guess CWM makes a difference
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Theres a bit of messing around you have to do with that version you had. I don't use it, but there are instructions in his thread for getting it to work. I just don't like messing with all that dumb ****.
xcrazydx said:
Theres a bit of messing around you have to do with that version you had. I don't use it, but there are instructions in his thread for getting it to work. I just don't like messing with all that dumb ****.
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Awesome job xcrazydx, helping this guy out!!
Good to see a potential train wreck that I'm not part of, get fixed so quickly & expertly!!
Just curious, what's the difference between the two versions of CWM Touch, I'm wondering because I am also using 5.1.8.3? Is it the recovery image, or is this Touch the one developed on xda?
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shaggyskunk said:
Awesome job xcrazydx, helping this guy out!!
Good to see a potential train wreck that I'm not part of, get fixed so quickly & expertly!!
Just curious, what's the difference between the two versions of CWM Touch, I'm wondering because I am also using 5.1.8.3? Is it the recovery image, or is this Touch the one developed on xda?
Sent from Down The Rabbit Hole, using Tapatalk 2.
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The 5.8 is actually a hercules version for the tmo variant. The sk8er 5.5 or whatever it is, is a version adapted specifically for the rocket, and supposedly it performs the wipe and fix functions correctly. As long as you set it up right and put the hiddenprocess folder and mount sd every time you use it. Last I knew it still won't see both sd cards at the same time. I just don't like dicking around with all that stuff.
Sk8er could probably give you a better explanation of them, I think it even mentions it throughout his thread. I have no problems with the 5.8 version and I couldn't recommend the OP on how to navigate the version he had because I don't use it. So I just moved him to the version I use. Lol
i used 5.8.1.3 and have never had any problems.... i even wipe emmc between flashes. should i not be using this one? how can i get the other?
OFWGKTADGAF said:
i used 5.8.1.3 and have never had any problems.... i even wipe emmc between flashes. should i not be using this one? how can i get the other?
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I use the same one you have, it's fine.
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Since he had his problem solved, and I see xcrazydx here, I want to ask how is the lte in Hammond? I've been working in Texas plus I got throttled for the month. I heard it doesn't reach Amite yet.
jeff210 said:
Since he had his problem solved, and I see xcrazydx here, I want to ask how is the lte in Hammond? I've been working in Texas plus I got throttled for the month. I heard it doesn't reach Amite yet.
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It's decent. I get around 30mb/s most of the time

Made big mistake while flashing custom rom

I need some help, stupid me put the files i need to flash custom rom on my sd card and when i went to install the zip it was not there, its not my sd card at all. Is there anyway to get those files back on the internal storage instead of my sd card or is there a way to access the actual sd card in cwm? If not is there a way to do a factory reset back to the factory rom?
Lsjreadingpa said:
I need some help, stupid me put the files i need to flash custom rom on my sd card and when i went to install the zip it was not there, its not my sd card at all. Is there anyway to get those files back on the internal storage instead of my sd card or is there a way to access the actual sd card in cwm? If not is there a way to do a factory reset back to the factory rom?
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Any help would be appreciated. I hate to know that at this point i have a $400 paperweight.
Don't panic, all hope is not yet lost and I don't think you've bricked your device. Can you describe in more detail the exact steps you took? When you say 'sdcard' do you mean your external SD card or the tablets' internal memory (its called /sdcard on the tablet, so its a bit confusing).
There is absolutely ways to recover your tablet assuming you took the proper precautions beforehand. Before I give an answer (assuming my knowledge is even correct) can you give more details of your setup? Which recovery do you have? Which ROM do you have installed? Is your bootloader unlocked? Are you rooted? All of these answers will give more information and will guide you to a better answer.
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Don't panic, all hope is not yet lost and I don't think you've bricked your device. Can you describe in more detail the exact steps you took? When you say 'sdcard' do you mean your external SD card or the tablets' internal memory (its called /sdcard on the tablet, so its a bit confusing).
There is absolutely ways to recover your tablet assuming you took the proper precautions beforehand. Before I give an answer (assuming my knowledge is even correct) can you give more details of your setup? Which recovery do you have? Which ROM do you have installed? Is your bootloader unlocked? Are you rooted? All of these answers will give more information and will guide you to a better answer.
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This is what happened, today i unlocked, rooted and then installed CWM. I followed steps to format my device from this forum post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1750861. Like i said instead of putting the rom on my internal storage i put it on my external sd card. That is where we are at now.
Lsjreadingpa said:
This is what happened, today i unlocked, rooted and then installed CWM. I followed steps to format my device from this forum post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1750861. Like i said instead of putting the rom on my internal storage i put it on my external sd card. That is where we are at now.
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OK so you're not bricked, you're not messed up at all. CWM doesn't support flashing from external SD cards, so all you need to do is move the files to the /(root) directory of your tablet. Are you still able to boot up the tablet normally? If so, connect it to your computer with the USB cable (assuming you've got the correct drivers installed, and ADB/fastboot both work) and just copy the files to the first directory you see when you double click "internal storage". This will be the root directory of your tablet. From there, you should be able to just boot into CWM and it will show your ROM there.
I'll be actively monitoring this thread so if you have any questions feel free to continue to post. I know how frustrating it is to post a question and not get an answer until days later.
*EDIT* ok so I just noticed one thing: you're trying to install the Hydro rom, correct? So you need to go back to STOCK using this guide. Then, re-install CWM, re-root your tablet, and then try to install the Hydro rom.
opethfan89 said:
OK so you're not bricked, you're not messed up at all. CWM doesn't support flashing from external SD cards, so all you need to do is move the files to the /(root) directory of your tablet. Are you still able to boot up the tablet normally? If so, connect it to your computer with the USB cable (assuming you've got the correct drivers installed, and ADB/fastboot both work) and just copy the files to the first directory you see when you double click "internal storage". This will be the root directory of your tablet. From there, you should be able to just boot into CWM and it will show your ROM there.
I'll be actively monitoring this thread so if you have any questions feel free to continue to post. I know how frustrating it is to post a question and not get an answer until days later.
*EDIT* ok so I just noticed one thing: you're trying to install the Hydro rom, correct? So you need to go back to STOCK using this guide. Then, re-install CWM, re-root your tablet, and then try to install the Hydro rom.
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I can not boot past the asus logo. I seen how people were able to push a rom through fastboot and adb but i can not seem to get my device to be seen by my computer.
Lsjreadingpa said:
I can not boot past the asus logo. I seen how people were able to push a rom through fastboot and adb but i can not seem to get my device to be seen by my computer.
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Then the next logical step will be to diagnose whether you have the drivers installed correctly. Do you have the Android SDK pack installed? It comes with some google drivers, and there is an aftermarket driver file that helps the computer recognize a larger variety of devices. Follow the steps in this thread to get those drivers working. If those don't work, try install the official Asus Pad suite drivers.
opethfan89 said:
Then the next logical step will be to diagnose whether you have the drivers installed correctly. Do you have the Android SDK pack installed? It comes with some google drivers, and there is an aftermarket driver file that helps the computer recognize a larger variety of devices. Follow the steps in this thread to get those drivers working. If those don't work, try install the official Asus Pad suite drivers.
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Yes i have both installed actually.
Lsjreadingpa said:
Yes i have both installed actually.
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Hmm, I'm running out of suggestions since I'm still learning all this stuff too. I guess since you can't get past the Asus screen it won't detect in the computer. So the next step I can suggest is to get fastboot mode working. Do this by powering your tablet off. To get into fastboot mode, press and hold the POWER & VOLUME DOWN buttons simultaneously. It'll show some words about booting into recovery, don't do that. Just wait for a few logos, then select the middle one (USB icon) with the VOLUME UP key. Connect your tablet to your computer and you should be recognized to allow you to push files over (I don't know what the syntax is for fastboot but I'm sure it won't be difficult to figure out)
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Hmm, I'm running out of suggestions since I'm still learning all this stuff too. I guess since you can't get past the Asus screen it won't detect in the computer. So the next step I can suggest is to get fastboot mode working. Do this by powering your tablet off. To get into fastboot mode, press and hold the POWER & VOLUME DOWN buttons simultaneously. It'll show some words about booting into recovery, don't do that. Just wait for a few logos, then select the middle one (USB icon) with the VOLUME UP key. Connect your tablet to your computer and you should be recognized to allow you to push files over (I don't know what the syntax is for fastboot but I'm sure it won't be difficult to figure out)
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That's where im at right now, i got nothing here.
Lsjreadingpa said:
That's where im at right now, i got nothing here.
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I'm going to try hooking my tablet up to another computer and see if i can get anywhere with it like that. I'm really starting to think this thing is fubared.
UPDATE Nothing worked on the laptop. Anyone else know of a way to get me out of this mess or am i screwed?
adb push any rom to the internal memory. if you can't do it in windows try a ubuntu live cd, you won't get errors in adb while using linux.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF300T
atomicblue said:
adb push any rom to the internal memory. if you can't do it in windows try a ubuntu live cd, you won't get errors in adb while using linux.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF300T
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I don't have linux i have windows, how do i do that?
UPDATE:
Well i gave up trying to get this to work and luckily i was able to return my tablet to the store. I want to thank opethfan89 for doing what you could to help me. Lesson learned, i have to make sure i use the internal sd card! What got me confused is i rooted and installed a custom rom on my nook and with that you had to put everything on the external sd card. Now i know what not to do again lol.
Good thing you were able to return it. Although im pretty sure you could have used adb to push the files directly to your internal memory no problem.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF300T using xda app-developers app
thatisandwas said:
Good thing you were able to return it. Although im pretty sure you could have used adb to push the files directly to your internal memory no problem.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF300T using xda app-developers app
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My device was not coming up under adb devices nor fastboot devices so im not sure what else could be done.
Lsjreadingpa said:
My device was not coming up under adb devices nor fastboot devices so im not sure what else could be done.
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Like the poster above said, you could have used a Linux live CD, downloaded ADB for Linux, and used ADB under Linux.
EndlessDissent said:
Like the poster above said, you could have used a Linux live CD, downloaded ADB for Linux, and used ADB under Linux.
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I will keep this in mind if something should happen again. This time i put a roms folder on my internal sdcard with the stock rom at the ready just incase.
Lsjreadingpa said:
I will keep this in mind if something should happen again. This time i put a roms folder on my internal sdcard with the stock rom at the ready just incase.
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That's a good plan. When I flash a new ROM, I always make sure I have at least one known-working ROM and at least one nandroid backup just in case.
Also, just as an organization suggestion, name the ROM folder something like "1-ROMs" or "All ROMS" or something else at the beginning of the alphabet so it appears at the top of the list when you're choosing a zip to flash. I personally use "1-ROMs", "2-Kernels" and "3-Extras", so they're the first three folders listed (Extras is for Gapps, mods, other flashables). It saves a lot of scrolling time.
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That's a good plan. When I flash a new ROM, I always make sure I have at least one known-working ROM and at least one nandroid backup just in case.
Also, just as an organization suggestion, name the ROM folder something like "1-ROMs" or "All ROMS" or something else at the beginning of the alphabet so it appears at the top of the list when you're choosing a zip to flash. I personally use "1-ROMs", "2-Kernels" and "3-Extras", so they're the first three folders listed (Extras is for Gapps, mods, other flashables). It saves a lot of scrolling time.
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Im glad you got an exchange. I would be so upset if my tab was a 400 dollar brick
another brick
Lsjreadingpa said:
I don't have linux i have windows, how do i do that?
UPDATE:
Well i gave up trying to get this to work and luckily i was able to return my tablet to the store. I want to thank opethfan89 for doing what you could to help me. Lesson learned, i have to make sure i use the internal sd card! What got me confused is i rooted and installed a custom rom on my nook and with that you had to put everything on the external sd card. Now i know what not to do again lol.
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You were able to return it?? Amazing attitude ASUS has over there. You weren't charged for repair at all?
I did a similar thing on workmate's tablet as he asked me to flash him custom os. I installed TWRP recovery successfully and copied firmware I wanted to install on internal SD. Then I wiped DATA. I thought it would wipe only user data, but it wiped also the root of my SD card with firmware. Before that I wiped system as well. So now I'm stuck at ASUS logo after power up.
I will try methods that were described in the thread by opethfan89 and atomicblue with adb push and Linux after I come back from vacation (14th this month). Hopefully I will be able to save the tablet. Otherwise it'll have to be sold for spare parts as ASUS quoted over 300 € (about $400) for repairs claiming the warranty is void (which I know) as I unlocked bootloader. They said they won't even try flashing it but they'll just replace motherboard as they never repair unlocked devices. I can't imagine car service refusing to change oil claiming they are concerned that owner might have abused it and they'd rather change whole engine instead.

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