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Google Now is keeping our devices awake far more than it should. Worse, it disguises itself as "maps" in battery usage. There are a few methods you can use to curb this til it's officially fixed. Like with all things, YMMV.
Method 1: Downgrade to an older version of Google Now
It seems that in the 10/29 update of Google Now (Google Search), Google found it necessary to remove an essential option to fix the GNow wakelock. This option is called "Location & Google search" and used to be located in Accounts, Google, Search. Interestingly, if you use MIUI 4 you can find this option in Location Settings regardless of which Google Now version you have installed. Anyway, you can get this option BACK if you install the google search I have attached to this thread. You'll lose some of Google Now's newer functions using this method.
- First make sure you clear Google Search's data in Settings, Apps. This prevents force closes.
- Using a root enabled file explorer (such as root explorer) I first copy the downgrade Google Search (It's actually labelled QuickSearchBox.apk)
- Then navigate to system/apps and mount the system partition as Re-Writable
- Paste the copied Google Search, overwriting when prompted
- Long-press the newly pasted Google Search and fix the permissions as such:
Read - Owner, Group, Others
Write - Owner
(The rest is unchecked)
- Reboot the device then do the following:
1. Go into settings
2. Under Accounts, select Google
3. Select Search
4. Uncheck "Location & Google search"
It's fixed! But you lost some GNow functionality. Let's try something else maybe?
Method 2: Disabling location reporting
This is a method that works for me, but others have told me it doesn't work for them. It will disable Latitude related functions as well so that's something to consider if you use those.
- Launch Maps
- Go into settings
- Uncheck "Report from this device"
- Change location reporting to "Do not update location"
Try it out!
Method 3: Turn off google location services
This one should be obvious. You'll lose all location functionality. Not ideal, but it's a workaround.
- Go into location settings and turn off Location and google apps.
Hopefully one day google fixes this thing! Til then, this is what I have found to work for me.
Edit #1: Updated the guide with new findings, organized a bit better.
Edit #2: Attached the correct quicksearchbox apk!
Edit #3: Fixed this post like whoa
So the solution to reducing Maps usage is to disable Location related settings? You don't say...
Sycobob said:
So the solution to reducing Maps usage is to disable Location related settings? You don't say...
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Wow really? Was that really needed?
Sycobob said:
So the solution to reducing Maps usage is to disable Location related settings? You don't say...
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I don't think your comment was necessary either.
With jellybean, maps usage is quite a bit higher than it used to be because of Google Now. I think a lot of people would like to know ways to curb its resource usage.
This is helpful, OP. Thanks
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Meh, wasn't explicitly trying to be an ass, just seems like a pointless thread to me. "If you don't want your location app to spend resources checking your location, then turn off location settings" is right there with "pressing the menu button brings up the menu" or "turning the volume down makes your phone quieter".
If being reminded of these things is important information though, by all means carry on.
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Meh, wasn't explicitly trying to be an ass, just seems like a pointless thread to me. "If you don't want your location app to spend resources checking your location, then turn off location settings" is right there with "pressing the menu button brings up the menu" or "turning the volume down makes your phone quieter".
If being reminded of these things is important information though, by all means carry on.
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I get where you are coming from so no harm no foul. I went from completely stock to the stock jellybean leak. I used all the same settings as before but I did notice unusually high maps usage. I didn't know why but figured that Google Now is the culprit.
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Sure, it may seem obvious, but actually disabling most other location related settings won't fix the maps lock in my experience. This one did, and it's tucked away where you wouldn't normally look for such settings. On top of that it seems to have little effect on how your phone operates with locations, so you can have your cake and eat it too.
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Div033 said:
Sure, it may seem obvious, but actually disabling most other location related settings won't fix the maps lock in my experience. This one did, and it's tucked away where you wouldn't normally look for such settings. On top of that it seems to have little effect on how your phone operates with locations, so you can have your cake and eat it too.
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I agree it might seems obvious but it's not... I wouldn't have disabled it cause I thought that it'd affect Google Now functionality... The OP confirmed that it doesn't so... green light.
Thanks OP btw.
Thanks op, needed this
Yo Div033! Long time no see bud! Loved your work on the DInc! Ur ICS blue Rom was tits! You working on anything for the SGS3 vzw?
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Yo Div033! Long time no see bud! Loved your work on the DInc! Ur ICS blue Rom was tits! You working on anything for the SGS3 vzw?
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Hey man! Thanks, I appreciate the comments but I'd hardly call it "my work" lol. I'm interested in doing some custom touchwiz themes but I'm knee deep in real life atm. Maybe once official TW JB drops I'll have more free time. I seem to have a nasty audio routing bug with the current leaks when using Google Music (will randomly switch audio output from headset to speaker when changing tracks) so I haven't been super inspired to do any work with them.
To all others: I have some additional information on how to curb the maps wakelock. If you've installed the Google Search 10/29 update then the setting I'm telling you to uncheck is no longer available. As of right now you can uninstall the update from app settings and then uncheck the setting in question. I'm going to now re-update now with it unchecked and see if the wakelock remains gone. If so, I'll update the OP with the required Google Search apk and additional instructions.
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How does this affect reporting of location with Latitude? I think that is where some of my drain is coming from, I'd like to keep Latitude on but find a way to either lessen the number of reports or find a lower power set of location services settings.
coreywilner said:
How does this affect reporting of location with Latitude? I think that is where some of my drain is coming from, I'd like to keep Latitude on but find a way to either lessen the number of reports or find a lower power set of location services settings.
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As far as I know, latitude is a whole different beast. The settings for latitude are within the Maps application itself. I can't say for sure if doing this method will alleviate your latitude reports but I'd think not. This seems to keep Google Now in check with its constant reporting.
But worth a shot maybe? It could be GNow that's affecting your wake time, unless you don't have it installed.
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None of these suggestions work. After turning "Let Google apps access your location" option back on wakelocks come back. There is one interesting thread that could help and I'm just gonna try it because all other things that I found didn't help.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=31031142
SotYPL said:
None of these suggestions work. After turning "Let Google apps access your location" option back on wakelocks come back. There is one interesting thread that could help and I'm just gonna try it because all other things that I found didn't help.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=31031142
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Yup, I'm still doing some tests (been busy as hell) but the suggestions I originally supplied don't work. Except for the one where you use an older Google Now version, but I'd hardly call that a solution.
By the way, the option your looking for is "Location & Google search". The one you mentioned has a far broader effect. This option will only be present with the older version of Google now installed.
For now I've found that turning off Location reporting in maps fixes the lock. I believe this affects latitude and similar functions though, so if you use those it may not be a good solution.
What's really interesting is in the newer versions of MIUI the "Location and Google search" option is retained upon updating Google Now. I'm unsure why this is the only ROM to behave this way.
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I'm running cm10 and I just turn the location access to off and it blocks all except the emergency location off...when I do this better battery stats shows no wake locks for location...I can't remember if stock has the same option.
jamesd1085 said:
I'm running cm10 and I just turn the location access to off and it blocks all except the emergency location off...when I do this better battery stats shows no wake locks for location...I can't remember if stock has the same option.
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I noticed this before as well. I left "Google location services" on overnight as I slept and Google Maps wakelocks (for Google Now no doubt) destroyed my fully charged my battery. Better battery stats helped pinpoint that in my case.
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By the way, the option your looking for is "Location & Google search". The one you mentioned has a far broader effect. This option will only be present with the older version of Google now installed.
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If you turn off "Location & Google search" in older version of Google Search and then update app you will have this new "Let Google apps access your location" option off also after that and none of google apps will be able to get your location including Maps so this is not a solution. If you turn "Let Google apps access your location" back on wakelocks come back.
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For now I've found that turning off Location reporting in maps fixes the lock. I believe this affects latitude and similar functions though, so if you use those it may not be a good solution.
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It does nothing for me. I don't use any location reporting or google now and still have wakelocks. The only way to completely get rid of maps wakelocks is to turn off all location options or put the phone into airplane mode. And if I stay in one place I get very low amount of wakelocks but as soon I get moving wakelocks start to show in huge amount and they don't stop after I get to my destination. Right now I'm testing this script that I pointed before but I'm still at work so will see if it helps when I got home.
SotYPL said:
If you turn off "Location & Google search" in older version of Google Search and then update app you will have this new "Let Google apps access your location" option off also after that and none of google apps will be able to get your location including Maps so this is not a solution. If you turn "Let Google apps access your location" back on wakelocks come back.
It does nothing for me. I don't use any location reporting or google now and still have wakelocks. The only way to completely get rid of maps wakelocks is to turn off all location options or put the phone into airplane mode. And if I stay in one place I get very low amount of wakelocks but as soon I get moving wakelocks start to show in huge amount and they don't stop after I get to my destination. Right now I'm testing this script that I pointed before but I'm still at work so will see if it helps when I got home.
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Yeah originally I had the idea that disabling that Location & Google search option would keep it disabled after updating even with the option missing. This turned out to not be the case as you discovered. I need to update the OP!
Its unfortunate to hear turning off location reporting didn't fix it for you. I would like to know if the method you linked works, so feel free to let us know
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anyone aware of a Tasker or Llama profile to disable Location when I'm at a "fixed location" (i.e., at home or work), but enables Location once I'm on the road or in an unknown location?
Right This is probably more an android in geenral thing...
When I'm using my computer I tend to use my N5 as a notification device for emails (ever since google disabled support for gmail notifier).
Anyways, that's worked quite well for some time, my phone happily rings away whenever I get emails or I see the notification LED flashing away to let me know there's something there...until I've installed the OTA for Marshmallow.
Because of Doze and leaving the phone alone for quite a while at a time...it doesn't sync my gmail whenever i get a mail...which is kind of annoying as I do like to get my mail notifications as they come in.
Since monday I've been searching around trying to figure out if there's any way to get gmail to sync during doze but so far I havent had any luck at all...I'm starting to feel like it's impossible to keep gmail syncing during doze due to googles decision it shouldn't :| And I'm very much tempted to revert to 5.1.1.
Any ideas? Thanks
Go into battery, click the three dots icon and go to battery optimisation. Then select all apps from the drop down list, find gmail and select don't optimise.
Haven't tried it myself but the help sort of indicates this will stop apps from dozing[emoji4]. Worth a try anyway!
Cheers,
Dave
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Go into battery, click the three dots icon and go to battery optimisation. Then select all apps from the drop down list, find gmail and select don't optimise.
Haven't tried it myself but the help sort of indicates this will stop apps from dozing[emoji4]. Worth a try anyway!
Cheers,
Dave
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Thanks for the reply, that's the first thing i tried.
Left it alone a while, sent myself a test email and...nothing. Left it 10 minutes and as soon as i turned the screen on it sync'd :|
Ah that's annoying. I wonder if setting Android System or some of the other system type apps to not optimised too would ensure the various syncs run?
Cheers,
Dave
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Ah that's annoying. I wonder if setting Android System or some of the other system type apps to not optimised too would ensure the various syncs run?
Cheers,
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Seems they made doze too powerful, i wonder if calls go through...
*RING RING* sorry this users phone is currently dozing, call back later
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Ah that's annoying. I wonder if setting Android System or some of the other system type apps to not optimised too would ensure the various syncs run?
Cheers,
Dave
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Mmm I'm wary to start changing things since I don't know what will actually do it or if doze will doze whatever you try...
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Seems they made doze too powerful, i wonder if calls go through...
*RING RING* sorry this users phone is currently dozing, call back later
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Yep, especially with no way to change certain things...
Apparently high priority notifications from google cloud messaging wake the phone up but that obviously doesnt include gmail! :|
Yeah I've been messing with it since monday now and I still can't get gmails to come through when it's in doze...
I tested it by sending 2 emails to myself but nothing...while hangouts messages came through each and every time...about 10 of them came through instantly as i sent them...
so i guess my only hope might be for google to make gmail notifications high priority like hangouts? Unless anybody else knows how yet?
My ElementalX rooted nexus 5 receives pushed Gmail immediately with sound and display. I didn't try it before rooting though.
Gmail was "Dozed"
Hi
Just to add some information on this. Doze is very aggressive, it stops all notifications from Googles Messaging Cloud Service, except those sent with high priority. It is a ping from Googles Messaging service that wakes up Gmail to alert you of a new message, but in Doze these are all stopped with the exception of those pings that are sent with High priority. Hangouts get sent with high priority, so these do ping through, but Gmail pings are sent with normal priority.
Calls and text messages are received by the modem part of the phone which runs outside of Android, this chip raises an event by signalling on a wire which Android will respond to, so calls and texts still arrive even when in Doze.
Putting Gmail as an exception to battery optimisation doesn't change this behaviour regarding pings from Google, not sure if that has changed on 6.0.1.
Why Google hasn't made Gmail messaging pings high priority I do not know, perhaps Gmail is a particular battery drain if receiving these pings constantly, or maybe their back end systems can't cope with all the extra Gmail alerts in their system as high priority.
Regards
Phil
It started happening to me on lollipop and even in ios
For me this started even on Lollipop a few weeks ago, too. Has been working flawlessly for years before that. But now sometimes Gmail notifications would get through, sometimes not. So it's not necessarily because of MM's Doze but a problem with Gmail itself. I've been looking around, there was opened an issue at AOSP issue tracker >here<. It has been fixed apparently, but not yet released.
It's 2018, and i am using LG Nexus 5 with Marshmallow (v6.0.1) and this problem STILL occurs for me. And its precisely how @pillipL described it in page 1. It's only specific to GMail...Hangouts gets thru fine eveyr time. So its like a high priority issue. And the battery optimization (turn off optimize) doesnt help.
So I have stumbled across a bug that is rather frustrating. This bug was that I could not receive notifications in "real time"( if that makes sense) basically I mean very delayed. A fellow XDA member pointed me out to a thread that has a solution for this which goes as follows:
Settings-> Additional settings->Battery& performance -> Manage apps battery use->chose apps.
After that its pretty straight forward.
My current problem is that I still get delayed notifications in Wi-Fi. I have tested this out on about 10 different Wi-Fi networks. I am sure this is some stupid MiUi setting hidden somewhere making the phone go in a deep sleep state or a battery mode or something..
Before people start recommending installing CM, I am not interested in it, until CM bugs are fixed, Also this is not a solution that answers my question.
I hope the solution above has helped other people as it has for me, for the Wi-Fi issue any thoughts or suggestions are more than welcome.. (Haven't tried the IPV4 thingie I read in XDA but that doesnt seem like a solution that I can apply when I am at someone elses house or out =/ )
About the notifications problem
I don't know if we are talking about the same issue, but I have seen delayed notifications on many phones and Android versions in the past. Also, the web is full of forums and sites where people complain about this. I think this is more a Google Cloud Messaging bug than a Xiaomi or Miui bug.
Maybe the people here suffering from this issue can try this app
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andqlimax.pushfixer
Helped me in the past. You can chance the heartbeat of your internet connection to keep it alive.
I can't say if i have this issue because i didn't got much notifications in the last days. At least i didn't noticed something. Also my banking app notifies me immediately when i do banking stuff or pay somewhere.
Also, the people who gets disconnected when they turn off the screen on Miui, there is a setting in the security app under battery profiles which says by default "clear on lockscreen". Maybe making an own profile with a different setting helps here
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About the notifications problem
I don't know if we are talking about the same issue, but I have seen delayed notifications on many phones and Android versions in the past. Also, the web is full of forums and sites where people complain about this. I think this is more a Google Cloud Messaging bug than a Xiaomi or Miui bug.
Maybe the people here suffering from this issue can try this app
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andqlimax.pushfixer
Helped me in the past. You can chance the heartbeat of your internet connection to keep it alive.
I can't say if i have this issue because i didn't got much notifications in the last days. At least i didn't noticed something. Also my banking app notifies me immediately when i do banking stuff or pay somewhere.
Also, the people who gets disconnected when they turn off the screen on Miui, there is a setting in the security app under battery profiles which says by default "clear on lockscreen". Maybe making an own profile with a different setting helps here
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Em this sortof helps.. I get 90% of my notifications on WiFi have no what to change in its settings though Any pointers? big thank you though
b3ava said:
Em this sortof helps.. I get 90% of my notifications on WiFi have no what to change in its settings though Any pointers? big thank you though
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In what settings? Security app or Push Notification Fixer app (in this app you just have to hit "apply settings" and reboot)
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In what settings? Security app or Push Notification Fixer app (in this app you just have to hit "apply settings" and reboot)
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The "heartbeat interval" in the root -push notification fixer app I have no clue what that is or what happens if you increase or decrease it
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The "heartbeat interval" in the root -push notification fixer app I have no clue what that is or what happens if you increase or decrease it
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You can read about it in the projects XDA-thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2142503
I read about "heartbeat interval", but if the problem is it, notification should not work correctly even when screen is on. While it seems here we are speaking when the screen is off, right?
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I made some research, and i wrote all settings that could be interesting. I write them here just to be sure all settings was checked.
These settings should be adjusted, besides your pushing apps (wapp, facebook,etc.), even for:
- Google Services Framework
- Google Account Manager
- Google Play services
- Google Play Store
Code:
1.Goto Security->Permissions->Autostart and give autostart permissions to the Google Services Framework,Google Account Manager and your Messaging apps like whatsapp,hike,etc.
2.Goto Security folder>permissions> and give permissions to each apps.
3.Goto Security->Data Usage->Data Usage Stats and Select your app . After that check if background data is enabled. If it is not enabled, enable it
4.Goto Security->Data Usage->Data Saver->Manage Apps and turn off optimization for the messaging apps.
5.Goto Settings>Additional Settings>Battery>Manage app battery usage, now disable/turn off the following options.
- Manage app battery usage
- Restrict apps when battery is low
Or
- Select "Choose apps to restrict" and unselect/untick the apps from the list
6.Goto security folder and click the check button.
7.If you have already opened these apps you will see these apps in the memory tab.
Click on the memory tab and uncheck these apps and any other apps you desire or you can simply go to recents panel and lock this app by swiping down.
8.Goto settings<security<locatIon<location acces<permissions<messenger<display pop up....
Finally reboot the device and check.
Do you hav adjuested all these checks? If yes, it is clear there is a GREAT bug in MIUI rom, or better miui kernel.
People, don't try nothing, this is simply a MIUI bug!!!
Read here: http://en.miui.com/thread-176743-1-1.html
Here http://en.miui.com/thread-182610-1-1.html is the bug, you can confirm it, so, maybe, a day MIUI team will fix it!
These settings should be adjusted, besides your pushing apps (wapp, facebook,etc.), even for:
- Google Services Framework
- Google Account Manager
- Google Play services
- Google Play Store
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I don't even have any of these options on my Mi4C. For me it looks like all those Google apps are hidden? I can only change permissions or power settings for WhatsApp, can't find Google Services Framework etc
I only get WhatsApp messages reliably if my phone is unlocked and WhatsApp is open. And can only connect to WhatsApp Web if my phone unlocked and WhatsApp open.... Really frustrating.
Keep finding I've missed messages from hours ago cause they never showed up in notifications.
I've done everything here: https://www.whatsapp.com/faq/en/android/20887936
Installed Push Notification Fixer
Still same problem. Must be MIUI bug
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People, don't try nothing, this is simply a MIUI bug!!!
Read here: http://en.miui.com/thread-176743-1-1.html
Here http://en.miui.com/thread-182610-1-1.html is the bug, you can confirm it, so, maybe, a day MIUI team will fix it!
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Once i set my apps that require push to Autostart it all worked.
If I disable Voice Match, Google Now disables everywhere unless I re-enable the Voice Match. Then saying "Hey Google" while the screen is locked and off triggers it.
I need the good old way of Google Assistant only working when I am on Home Screen, not when I am in any app, not when the phone is locked or screen is off, only when I am either on home screen or app drawer.
Any way to do it? Any magisk module or anything?
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If I disable Voice Match, Google Now disables everywhere unless I re-enable the Voice Match. Then saying "Hey Google" while the screen is locked and off triggers it.
I need the good old way of Google Assistant only working when I am on Home Screen, not when I am in any app, not when the phone is locked or screen is off, only when I am either on home screen or app drawer.
Any way to do it? Any magisk module or anything?
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Not all functionality is available when locked such as I can turn my WiFi connected lights on without unlocking but need to use the fingerprint scanner to interact with apps most apps.
It's funny that I wanted my previous OnePlus 5 to be able to do this particularly with AutoVoice Tasker scripts but now that I have this feature with my OP7Pro but I'm not so comfortable with the phone and potentially Google always being the fly on my wall.
Sorry but I've not spend any time trying to address the issue as you described as I'm still deciding if the convenience is worth the voluntary surveillance.
I regularly watch the Daily Pocket now YouTube show and have seen him toss his spying Amazon Echo as he hates that it listens and then inundates him with adds related to what he was talking about. At least Google has only done that after I've done web searches although I'm sure this is just a ticking clock from changing.
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If I disable Voice Match, Google Now disables everywhere unless I re-enable the Voice Match. Then saying "Hey Google" while the screen is locked and off triggers it.
I need the good old way of Google Assistant only working when I am on Home Screen, not when I am in any app, not when the phone is locked or screen is off, only when I am either on home screen or app drawer.
Any way to do it? Any magisk module or anything?
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I would love to know this as well as I have Google/Nest hubs in almost every room of my house and hate that it turns on my screen every time.
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Not all functionality is available when locked such as I can turn my WiFi connected lights on without unlocking but need to use the fingerprint scanner to interact with apps most apps.
It's funny that I wanted my previous OnePlus 5 to be able to do this particularly with AutoVoice Tasker scripts but now that I have this feature with my OP7Pro but I'm not so comfortable with the phone and potentially Google always being the fly on my wall.
Sorry but I've not spend any time trying to address the issue as you described as I'm still deciding if the convenience is worth the voluntary surveillance.
I regularly watch the Daily Pocket now YouTube show and have seen him toss his spying Amazon Echo as he hates that it listens and then inundates him with adds related to what he was talking about. At least Google has only done that after I've done web searches although I'm sure this is just a ticking clock from changing.
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That is one of my main concerns, apart from battery drain that'd be there with constantly on mic (though have heard that newer QC chips have minimized that drain), google will always be on the listening mode, no matter if the phone is locked and in the pocket.
And I know that not much could be done from the lock screen, but it's annoying, my phone was on the table, and I was discussing something with my friend. I might have said something that would have sounded like hey google, and suddenly I hear "Here are the search results". Picked up the phone to see that it picked up certain words from the conversation, and had searched for it. As we were in a quiet room and the media volume was full, it wasn't very pleasing to suddenly hear that.
Is it just me or this phone (or at least the CN RMX2071 roms) are super aggressive in closing apps? I know it's a general theme with "custom" (non aosp) based ROMs and most vendor UI takes, but it feels really really broken in these phones.
I have to keep the phone in "high performance" mode and even then i have to re-run some apps every other day (Nova launcher's google companion app) and even re-add widgets (Google Calendar) for them to continue to function, presumably because the power management system keeps shutting them down.
I have every single app to OFF in the App Freeze screen, every app is allowed to run in background (not the smart option, plain always-let-this-run option) and allowed to launch other apps (otherwise more things are broken) and it still feels like things are quirky due to how aggressive the power management is.
Am i missing something? are there more options that i missed? is it better in the EU/IN ROMs?
The eu rom fixes this problem
So a trade off of functionality vs latest security patches etc. Might be worth a try of switching over and at least trying it for a short little bit to determine.
Does anyone know if there's a differnce in behavior for Android Auto between CN and EU ROMs? (though i imagine its also related to power management at the least)
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I am on EU ROM here in the UK (A.28) and ever since I got this phone. It loves to close apps in the background. Facebook used 1400mah when it was just running in the background. Disabled it running in background, notifications work but now it only uses 234mah roughly. There system is messed up. Other apps that I like to use in the background include Google Clock and Skip Track Settings.
These I have a Tasker to launch both apps, with a little pause between launch. I have "Exclude from recent apps" enabled and then after they've launched. I get it to go home automatically. Then with my usage, I have this task running on boot, 5am (whilst I'm asleep) and on secondary app open. I don't notice it, other than when it boots and you just gotta let it run. My clock then works 100% of the time for my alarms and works all day.
One thing to note is, if you click "clear all" in recents, you have to run the task (I do this with the secondary app) to reopen the apps. Thankfyully, with Tasker with auto start-up enabled, it just works and is obviously in realme's don't close in background list.
Thankfully, with Android 11, a promising change to the rules for OEMs is that they can't have list of preferable apps and have to give all app developers an equal chance to running and not being killed. So hopefully, with Android 11, realme will have to stop this annoying practise.
Hope I've explained that well enough and you can use Tasker as a bootleg option
- Josh
Are you saying the power issues are still prevalent in the EU rom as well? If i got you right, You have some kind of a Tasker config to keep launching all the apps that the OS kills on various stages? Because i don't see how that would exclude them from being killed/blocked by the Realme UI service. Again, Unless there IS a difference in the EU rom.
In my case, I gave up on using Google Clock because the alarms never trigger and Android Auto is insanely hard to get running because it keeps killing SOME part of it or one of the apps im trying to use in Auto (Waze, Maps, Youtube Music, etc)
ransagy said:
Are you saying the power issues are still prevalent in the EU rom as well? If i got you right, You have some kind of a Tasker config to keep launching all the apps that the OS kills on various stages? Because i don't see how that would exclude them from being killed/blocked by the Realme UI service. Again, Unless there IS a difference in the EU rom.
In my case, I gave up on using Google Clock because the alarms never trigger and Android Auto is insanely hard to get running because it keeps killing SOME part of it or one of the apps im trying to use in Auto (Waze, Maps, Youtube Music, etc)
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Yes, apps that realme likes to kill in the background. I have them opened by Tasker whilst I'm sleeping and on boot as realme doesn't close Tasker in the background and then the apps work fine all day. I don't notice it open them other than on boot as otherwise my phone is in standby.
Alarms never triggered for me as realme killed Google Clock, that's why now when it just opens in the background as I sleep it isn't killed.
I don't use my phone intensely and because Tasker opens them as apps, realme can't close them because they're still technically open, even though they don't show in recents. That's why when you clear all apps in recents, you need to then reopen them (that's what my secondary Tasker app does).
As for Android Auto, I haven't had any issue with it. When I use it, my car isn't technical so it uses the screen. I plug my phone in, turn the car engine on and phone begins to charge. Then with a bluetooth to FM adapter, my phone auto connects to bluetooth, and as soon as my phone connects, Android Auto automatically opens (as I have it enabled in Auto's settings) and I get it to play music automatically.
For someone using the actual plug in display to the car, I don't know. Android Auto came pre-installed and all I had to do was install the version for "phone screens".
If you need help with Tasker, my insta is below. Feel free to reply to this or message me on there.
Hope this helps
- Josh
It does help, Thanks!
ransagy said:
Are you saying the power issues are still prevalent in the EU rom as well? If i got you right, You have some kind of a Tasker config to keep launching all the apps that the OS kills on various stages? Because i don't see how that would exclude them from being killed/blocked by the Realme UI service. Again, Unless there IS a difference in the EU rom.
In my case, I gave up on using Google Clock because the alarms never trigger and Android Auto is insanely hard to get running because it keeps killing SOME part of it or one of the apps im trying to use in Auto (Waze, Maps, Youtube Music, etc)
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Due to a similar issue I had in my corporate Outlook e-mail app, I searched for a solution for the error I got there like "Your organization has removed its data associated with this app" and I found an article from Microsoft proposing a resolution (url not include in this post because it is not allowed, however it is quite easy to find it).
I followed that resolution proposed and it worked for Google Clock app. The alarm finally rang this morning!
Basically, you should go to app list, choose Google Clock (or even any clock app) and configure it as follows:
-in "Power Saver", choose ""Run in Background"
-Set "Allow Notifications" to on
-Set "Auto Startup" to on
-Set "Allow other Apps or Services to Launch" to on
Hope it helps
Yeah, I pretty much did that to every single app on the phone (Besides "Auto Startup" where the OS only allows you 5 outside the whitelisted apps it knows like whatsapp, discord, etc) and i still had interminent issues here and there. Thanks for the heads up either way!
Wpbarreto said:
Due to a similar issue I had in my corporate Outlook e-mail app, I searched for a solution for the error I got there like "Your organization has removed its data associated with this app" and I found an article from Microsoft proposing a resolution (url not include in this post because it is not allowed, however it is quite easy to find it).
I followed that resolution proposed and it worked for Google Clock app. The alarm finally rang this morning!
Basically, you should go to app list, choose Google Clock (or even any clock app) and configure it as follows:
-in "Power Saver", choose ""Run in Background"
-Set "Allow Notifications" to on
-Set "Auto Startup" to on
-Set "Allow other Apps or Services to Launch" to on
Hope it helps
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ransagy said:
Yeah, I pretty much did that to every single app on the phone (Besides "Auto Startup" where the OS only allows you 5 outside the whitelisted apps it knows like whatsapp, discord, etc) and i still had interminent issues here and there. Thanks for the heads up either way!
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I also enabled all of these settings (other than last one, can't find it) and had some days it worked, some days it didn't. So for the sake of my actual work, I used my Tasker method and works 100% of the time. Ultimately, realme kinda screwed us over. Ultimately, Android 11 should fix this with it's new guidelines so let's just work around it in the mean time.
Yeah, I'm yet to try your Tasker method, i definitely will though, it's basically the last ditch effort here. I just finished switching to the EU rom as well.
ransagy said:
Yeah, I'm yet to try your Tasker method, i definitely will though, it's basically the last ditch effort here. I just finished switching to the EU rom as well.
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ransagy said:
Yeah, I pretty much did that to every single app on the phone (Besides "Auto Startup" where the OS only allows you 5 outside the whitelisted apps it knows like whatsapp, discord, etc) and i still had interminent issues here and there. Thanks for the heads up either way!
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On Startup Manager, for me on EU ROM A.30, and since I first got the phone. The limit on Startup Manager was and still is 20 not recommended startup apps. This is, in realme's words, "to ensure the hone will run smoothly", like bollocks. My old phone had 3GB of RAM and has the exact same apps and ran fine (other than only allowing 3 backgrounds apps to run before memory ran out). But with 8GB and SD865, it's just their way of saying, oh look we have this amount of screen on time. Judging by the list on A.30, the Google Clock is now recommended (I don't think it was before). Either way, realme is gonna get shunned with Android 11's new guidelines and it'll be a fair playing field.
Android Authority - Google Fighting Unfair Power Management Article (Just an interesting read):
www. androidauthority. com/ android-11-background-apps-1136794/
- Josh
Yeah, EU rom (A.20 as its the only one compatible with the chinese model right now) seems to have saner behavior, 20 startup apps instead of 5 and i don't think it has that "allow others to launch" option at all, so not blocking it even? We'll know soon. App Freeze doesn't seem to be automatically enabling on apps, either, also good.
Google Clock worked for me this morning (i duplicated the "system" clock alarms, just a couple mins later to be sure something triggers)
I'll check Android Auto today as well.
I AM always on High Performance mode though.
The thing is about Android 11's changes, that they seem to be worded a little on the easy side in the Google language - makes it seem to me that Google is just asking the vendors to be a little clearer on what they do when informing the users, not that they absolutely can't kill background apps. Here's hoping though.
ransagy said:
Yeah, EU rom (A.20 as its the only one compatible with the chinese model right now) seems to have saner behavior, 20 startup apps instead of 5 and i don't think it has that "allow others to launch" option at all, so not blocking it even? We'll know soon. App Freeze doesn't seem to be automatically enabling on apps, either, also good.
Google Clock worked for me this morning (i duplicated the "system" clock alarms, just a couple mins later to be sure something triggers)
I'll check Android Auto today as well.
I AM always on High Performance mode though.
The thing is about Android 11's changes, that they seem to be worded a little on the easy side in the Google language - makes it seem to me that Google is just asking the vendors to be a little clearer on what they do when informing the users, not that they absolutely can't kill background apps. Here's hoping though.
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I keep my settings to standard and never do high performance stuff. I also use 60hz as although I love 90hz, I also love battery life and it isn't enough for me to justify the battery usage.
Yeah, I dropped down to normal and had no issues so far, without tasker of anything, just the EU A.20 ROM.
I am on 90Hz all the time though - As someone who is used to 144Hz monitors and gaming, i can sorely tell the difference between 60 and 90 and to me the battery life difference is somewhat negligible.
I haven't tried Android Auto, but we'll see soon enough. Android 11 also brings wireless Auto to everyone, so that might help there as well.