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Up until now, Android/Winmo phones have been expressed as "Iphone" killers and never vice versa. Android has been steadily improving, as well as Winmo, with the new future release of Winmo 7. Yet with the Iphone 4, Apple might be attempting to create the Android/Winmo killer.
The Iphone 4, using video chat, Retina 960 x 640 display with IPS, HD video recording, multitasking (I found this ironic because of the fact that Apple took copyright in Multitouch, but never thought of their actions in taking multitasking from Android/WebOS.), and all the other features. It is jampacked with features and other goodies that makes it seem much more awesome to people.
Well, with the Iphone 4, it only gives us Android/Winmo users the determination to beat down the Iphone 4. Although we might not have the simplicity and variety of Apps as the Iphone, we certainly do have much more powerful phones, more customizability than the Iphone, and rights to do whatever WE want to OUR phone.
So, as I finish, what can you, XDA members, come up with that will make the Iphone 4 look like nothing compared to the Android/Winmo phones of today?
iphone4 is just a gimmick for all the simpleton sheep out there, its outdated and doesn't bring anything new to the game, just stolen ideas passed as their own. Android is the way to go, so much potential and freedom
Video chat only works on wifi. So you can't video chat on the AT&T's network. Big disappointment for iPhone users. No video chatting while driving; you have to wait til you get to the office or home.
pk198105 said:
iphone4 is just a gimmick for all the simpleton sheep out there, its outdated and doesn't bring anything new to the game, just stolen ideas passed as their own. Android is the way to go, so much potential and freedom
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Stolen ideas I agree with, only they manage to come up with a brand name to make it sound like a new apple invention so all their followers genuinely believe that apple innovated them.
I hate the way apple do business, but in hardware terms, I think they have a very good phone here. I sincerely hope that HTC have something up their sleeves to at least equal, but hopefully better this new iPhone.
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iphone4 is just a gimmick for all the simpleton sheep out there, its outdated and doesn't bring anything new to the game, just stolen ideas passed as their own. Android is the way to go, so much potential and freedom
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Apple has great marketing. they steal other ideas and market them as though it is new and innovative, when all the while, most of what they are offering is the same and usually worse the Android or Windows or even PalmOS counterparts.
Stop making iphoney threads please!!
Please read before create another thread with redundant topic
Agreed. This topic is useless and will only generate flaming and arguments. Closing it down and please don't start a new one.
Do you Think XDA should support iphone and ipad because you can make third party apps in themes?
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i think so i recently switched over to a 3gs coming from a htc pure (htc war hawk) the iphone is actually very customizable after you jail break. and there is a huge community behind it. XDA should create a area for both iphone and maybe the ipad
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i think so i recently switched over to a 3gs coming from a htc pure (htc war hawk) the iphone is actually very customizable after you jail break. and there is a huge community behind it. XDA should create a area for both iphone and maybe the ipad
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Yes they should .I had contact them to maybe add it to xda.plus I got my iPhone 3GS like 3 to 4 days ago in it is customizable alot
Absolutely not. iphone is in no way related to XDA nor should the XDA community piss away valuable time to program for a company and community that hates modding and has tried in federal courts to block such activity. Exposing the XDA community to lawsuits and harassment from Apple should be avoided at all costs. The vast majority of the community here purchased their phones so they would NOT be part of the Apple idiocy and involved with a second set of parents. If you want to mod your iphone, there are many communities that already exist solely for that purpose.
If there were no jailbrake I would got bored with the iphone
iphone has its devs, and winmo and android have their devs. iphone and winmo/android are completely separate. they have their own forums. no need to ruin a good thing here at xda
-jd
They are not really different it just that Steve is a ass somtimes
Site for all 3 OS
Check out this site I had made for windowsmobile ,Android ,Apple IPhone and Ipad.Heres link http://iphonetechheck.webs.com/
What would be the purpose? There are already sooooo many iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad forums out there already.
Maybe I would feel differently if it was soley about upgrading old iPhones with Android OS (which would be a valid desire, especially for first-gen iPhone owners who Apple has abandoned), but there are already many established forums out there dealing with iOS.
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What would be the purpose? There are already sooooo many iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad forums out there already.
Maybe I would feel differently if it was soley about upgrading old iPhones with Android OS (which would be a valid desire, especially for first-gen iPhone owners who Apple has abandoned), but there are already many established forums out there dealing with iOS.
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Like right now my iPhone running a cool looking nexus theme now. In jailbreaking phone is just like when you all unlock your phone to get .The features you couldn't unlock.before now.plus he did add one .He can make it organize so you windows people and amAndroid users don't get mad at us iPhone users.But don't get me wrong I do have a tilt2 that I only have 5 days and the hp glisten but the iPhone is just better..it will be cool to have them just a backup phone or second phone to use maybe.
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Like right now my iPhone running a cool looking nexus theme now. In jailbreaking phone is just like when you all unlock your phone to get .The features you couldn't unlock.before now.plus he did add one .He can make it organize so you windows people and amAndroid users don't get mad at us iPhone users.But don't get me wrong I do have a tilt2 that I only have 5 days and the hp glisten but the iPhone is just better..it will be cool to have them just a backup phone or second phone to use maybe.
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I do understand jailbreaking, I just wonder what would be the benefit of an iPhone forum here, when there are already big iPhone forums out there like this for example:
http://modmyi.com/forums/
It would be like re-inventing the wheel, except there would be much fewer iPhone users here to answer your questions as compared to there.
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I do understand jailbreaking, I just wonder what would be the benefit of an iPhone forum here, when there are already big iPhone forums out there like this for example:
http://modmyi.com/forums/
It would be like re-inventing the wheel, except there would be much fewer iPhone users here to answer your questions as compared to there.
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But least they can have the option to add a section on here.or I can just add one to my site that I already have.but it Will be cooler if it was on here .http://iphonetechheck.webs.com/
I was always under the impression that XDA is mainly about HTC devices, with some exceptions for WinMo and Android phones by non-HTC companies.
But imagine the banter getting out of control and moving into flaming, particularly between Android and iPhone folks. That might cause problems, and it's not what the forum's here for.
Well...this forum was started out for HTC deving; it has expanded to some Motorola, Samsung, and other devices and the dominant force is WinMo and Android. Microsoft does not constantly try to sue over modification of WinMo phones. Google does not sue over modifications made to Android.
Apple on the other hand, is the reason that courts finally ruled under DMCA, that modifying a phone's encryption/code for personal use is legal.
Do you really want to attract that kind of attention to XDA? I know personally that I don't want a bunch of rabid Apple fanboys floating around the site, only for Steve Jobs to come in and attack it.
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Well...this forum was started out for HTC deving; it has expanded to some Motorola, Samsung, and other devices and the dominant force is WinMo and Android. Microsoft does not constantly try to sue over modification of WinMo phones. Google does not sue over modifications made to Android.
Apple on the other hand, is the reason that courts finally ruled under DMCA, that modifying a phone's encryption/code for personal use is legal.
Do you really want to attract that kind of attention to XDA? I know personally that I don't want a bunch of rabid Apple fanboys floating around the site, only for Steve Jobs to come in and attack it.
~Jasecloud4
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Jailbreaking is now legal so now won't get attack by apple for doing anything to your phone.I'm typing this from iPhone just wanted to share that.I all ready send them a message would it be possible to add a section then if they don't then we could drop the topic . Just waiting for them to email now on the decision .
Umm...did you not read what I wrote? Apple sued in court repeatedly over jailbreaking and lost. I know it's LEGAL, however, throughout their company's history Apple has never been a gracious loser.
On top of which, many Android and WinMo users abhore the iPhone. I can only speak for myself, but I would leave XDA and never come back if an iPhone forum was added. There's just too much animosity between the different schools of thought for my taste.
Oil and water don't mix.
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you people rreally hate iphone and apple.I hate appple to thats why i jailbrake
Picture of IPhone3GS and 3G running Android on it one is nexus other one is HTC Sence hero somthing.
I could see a forum solely about running Android on the iPhone as being within the scope and culture of this forum, but there is already a forum for that too.
http://www.idroidproject.org/forum/index.php
wow ok but it looks better on here then there
Hey guys i was just catching up on some news when i come across this article
'If you think Apple competes with Android, you’re wrong' from ZDnet. Here is a little snippet of it
Apple has never done things like other tech companies. Never. They’ve never fallen prey to analyst opinion or competitor bling. Why should they? They’re the innovators, not the imitators. Apple produces the products like they want them to be–not like Android-designers think they should be. Apple builds them and we buy them by the millions. People camp outside of Apple stores and Apple product retailers to ensure that they get a new Apple device. You don’t really see that with Android products.
The reason is that Apple products have what we want and what we don’t even know that we want until we see it. That’s why Apple is the most successful tech company ever.
after reading the entire article i was not too sure about the guys claims.
but if you could read the article and voice me your opinion on it that would be great
here is the link http://www.zdnet.com/blog/consumerization/if-you-think-apple-competes-with-android-youre-wrong/507
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That’s why Apple is the most successful tech company ever.[/I]
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I've always hated that this is seen as "common knowledge". Most profitable? Maybe, but I refuse to see Apple as the most successful company when they are only able to maintain a stable of a few specialized devices without a dominant market share in any field (maybe they dominate the tablet space but there is barely any legitimate competition in that area). I mean look at Motorola or Samsung or any other company that literally has it's hands in EVERYTHING tech. They might not dominate any single area, but they ensure no matter what happens they turn a profit in any way possible.
Having read the entire article it sounds as if the writer is a major ios fan and very biased. The articles only actual fact seems to be that people cue for apple products and that's proof they're great.
If apple don't compete with android why take android os features and put them in ios, why sue the most popular android device manufacturers but only those whose profucts challenge apples?
Apple don't innovate much at all anymore and definitely take note of their rivals.
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I really hate it when Apple's fan girls start reviewing the company and buying their products. The reviewers only say these Apple SO friendly terms, like "It really is resolutionary!" They say that so they will be quoted by Apple.
As for their Fan Girls (a.k.a "Customers"), I find it annoying when you ask, the people that buy only Apple products for their Computers, phones, and tablets, why they bought the iMac over a PC and they say, "Because it was made by Apple so it is obviously better." I mean really? Why!?
ZDnet and Cnet are pretty Apple fanboi heavy, so this isn't surprising at all. The main difference I find between situations with Apple and Android fanbois is that Android enthusiasts tell the fanbois to shut their yappers; very few people who enjoy Apple for what it is tend to shout down the idiots.
There was another article on there not long ago by either that guy or another of their "experts" touting all the reasons that Android just didn't satisfy him, with the main points of contention resulting from him going to Best Buy and saying that Android was somehow at fault for the results of consulting with an unknowledgeable sales member. In short, it is not a site that I trust for anything in the way of editorials.
From the article: "I doubt anyone at Apple says to a coworker, “Hey, dude, did you see my <insert Android-based phone name here>, it has this. We should totally put one of those on the next iPhone.”"
Guess he is unaware of all that iOS 5 and now 6 have blatantly stolen directly from Android and WP. The guy is so clueless it's ridiculous.
Edit: his opening statement shows his lack of grasp on reality. Dinosaurs will die, and to say that a company like Apple doesn't need to worry about competition when Android has the larger market share and it is only increasing is pure idiocy. If guys like that ever sit on the board of any company it is only a matter of time before it inevitably falls apart. It's that kind of thinking that almost destroyed Apple to begin with.
Maybe he's right though and Apple does operate in a vacuum; vacuums are indeed defined by sucking the life out of everything around them.
There is a big difference between true product innovation and marketing hype.
Apple has not innovated as much as that article suggests over the years, they have only utilized smart marketing and community hype to sell their products with very little innovation in their product lines over this time.
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Apple innovation = imitation + litigation + hype.
Just look at the iPad. The only thing about the iPad that is up to par it better than the competitors is the display. And that is the only thing that their advertising blitz talks about. They do not come close anywhere else.
If you put lipstick on a pig tho iFanBoys will line up to buy it.
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The reason is that Apple products have what we want and what we don’t even know that we want until we see it.
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This line makes me laugh. A smartphone user should know exactly what he wants in his product and if he gets more, then it's even better. But according to this line, it makes the writer seem like he wants what Apple wants him to want.
According to the article, Apple has never ever ever taken any ideas from outside. Why should they because they're innovators?
Really??! The writer seems to be unaware of any other technology in the world! Apple didn't invent the mp3 player. Granted, they made a lot of improvements and produced the best selling mp3 player but a majority of the ideas came from other products.
"To worry about the competition is a faux pas"? Then why are they trying to get the Galaxy SIII banned from entering the US. In reality, to not worry about the competition would be the stupidest move any company can take and of course Apple is worried about the competition.
My personal opinion regarding the huge success of Apple is the large user base who keep repeatedly buying Apple products without considering other (Better and cheaper) options, to blindly follow Apple into whatever they do. The writer's clearly reflects this. Another reason is that Apple products are simpler to use and by being so, not easy to customize. This is a big disadvantage for a lot of people, especially gadget freaks. Citing a personal example, I have an iPod 5G and I hated the fact that you could not even change the color theme whereas even cheap mp3 players had that function. I finally ended up putting a custom firmware (Rockbox) on it and was much happier. It even freed me from using iTunes and allowed me to use drag and drop.
My conclusion. The writer is severely misinformed.
Now it's only my thoughts on the issue.
There is always a competition between companies of the same market. I believe there are kinda regulations of that rivacy, I mean there are rules for companies to implement innovations, etc. Fruct corporation had to survive among all those giants of tech world and even go further. But how can they do it? So, they've started breaking those secret rules (here comes their everyday trials and actions from other companies) and moved forward far as they could. As you can see, Samsung, and other giants were ready to lanch their super smartphones and tablets, they did it soon, very soon after after Apple released their ones. So there are many variants on how it works. Some of them:
- Apple breaks rivacy rules
- Other companies just allow Apple do it (as they know, they see what can Apple do and do it the rest. They enter the market, that Apple was not able to win)
- Companies allow apple release their best products and analyse why people don't love fruct features and they give it to those who disappointed with Apple devices.
And many other variats are possible.
But the do! They compete with each other! As they have one marketplace
We never know what they do behind the curtain!!! we just try to be logic and use analytics
I know we all hate on apple, mostly for them being a **** company, but seriously, their stuff is ****.
Okay, it's snappy, and okay, it's nice looking.
But I had to work on a mac for a while, and I can say that without a doubt my PC (that was half that price) is vastly superior. Everything on mac works awful, including their retard son, Safari. Same goes for ipads, iphones, ipods. I just can't understand why someone would overpay for something that is worse.
As for why I had to work on a mac computer - they don't allow ios developers to make apps on anything else. **** company.
apple wins the battle apparently because they are the first to enter the market. Usually the first person enter a certain field wins.
However after a long period of time, many competitors come out with their so called immitation devices, however if apple does not innovate more thing in a field thats others never enter, they will eventually lose to those immitators. Because those immitators shaped by the market.
That guy probably is an iOS fanboy. Apple never imitates..????? LMAO.
It copied the drag down notification bar from Android...and many more..!
Android devices makes a better option because their price is little less than iPhones, iPads etc and performance is far more higher and we can customise the interface, install custom roms etc...!
Most People (not everyone) buy apple devices so that they can show off to others that they can afford such devices.
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Just another Crapple Fanboy voicing out loud for the world to hear how ill informed he is. If Crapple spent as much time " innovating " as they do suing other companies, they might produce half way decent affordable products.
I laughed really hard when I read the word 'Innovation'.
DD-Ripper and prboy1969, I plus +1 both of you.
I think the only reason Crapple has been this successful because they use Unix and think about that, Both Linux and Mac OS (yuch) use Unix as there core language. Hands down though, Linux is far more better because of the fact that it's open sourced. Linux will never die if people are still willing to code it.
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I hate all these Apple addicts out there. They are the most idiotic and annoying "tech" people out there.
Apple releases a new products that is "new" but in reality it's just a revamped product that was out already.
Like the iPad... Tablets have been around for a long time. Just cause Apple decided to bring them back making them thinner, and more idiot friendly doesn't make them as great as they are hyped to be.
I'm sick of all the hype that surrounds Apple's products...
I'm through with my rant now... thanks. lol
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I hate all these Apple addicts out there. They are the most idiotic and annoying "tech" people out there.
Apple releases a new products that is "new" but in reality it's just a revamped product that was out already.
Like the iPad... Tablets have been around for a long time. Just cause Apple decided to bring them back making them thinner, and more idiot friendly doesn't make them as great as they are hyped to be.
I'm sick of all the hype that surrounds Apple's products...
I'm through with my rant now... thanks. lol
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alexanderd said:
I hate all these Apple addicts out there. They are the most idiotic and annoying "tech" people out there.
Apple releases a new products that is "new" but in reality it's just a revamped product that was out already.
Like the iPad... Tablets have been around for a long time. Just cause Apple decided to bring them back making them thinner, and more idiot friendly doesn't make them as great as they are hyped to be.
I'm sick of all the hype that surrounds Apple's products...
I'm through with my rant now... thanks. lol
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To be fair to Apple making an idiot friendly slim tablet was what made tablets so popular, if it wasn't for them its doubtful we would have the competing android tabs that more tech minded people may prefer and when it debuted it was the best tablet so it did deserve some of the hype.
Apple took a good idea, ironed out the kinks and produced what became the benchmark for modern tablets. It wasn't the first ever tablet but it was the easiest and most user friendly and at the time was innovative.
Now Apple rarely innovate and yet people flock to buy their products but the original ipad was actually innovative and worth some of the hype.
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idiot friendly
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Right here. This is the type of products apple makes. Like every other person in this thread knows, apple fans dont know why apple products are "better" they just are. Thats because the products are made for these idiots. Why is this better? Uhmmm......cuz i put an S on the end of it. My friend had an encounter with someone who would go far in apple. He had a droid X and wanted a faster phone, so he asked if he wrote X2 on the back it would be faster.
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OMG... That guy is really outrageus.... I added my comment too there into all those -ves which is quoted below... He even reviewed an adroid phone lol.. i have no patience to read it... i have sent same comment to his email n g+ profile... what he is doing there in goole plus rather than camping outside cupertino my god...
'lol.... i feel funny about 'apple operates in a vaccum'. If you can list out their innovations i can feed it into my ever lowering knowledge about apple n their products.. Hope u dont list inventing mobile phone into it.. Reading ur article n the payment u got u may be tempted to do it haha OMG... If apple is not going to balloon their 'small' device near close to current smartphone levels , surely they will be pumped out of scene like nokia gone down...Then by mere lawsuits against CR infringements wont be sufficient to stay in the competition. Didnt they invent their new technology yet to make screen big?
Common man , I would have been really happy if u tried looking at ur own backhole to see how big/small it is, instead of this ********. I'm very sure right now my middle finger on right hand is pointing upwards in front of ur face. This article makes more apple haters which goes against the intention behind it. May be by reading all those above -ve comments apple may take down ur next payment ... hahaha'
It's looking very dim for samsung at this point. My overall observation is how big of a blow would this win if Apple wins be to the Android OS?
http://allthingsd.com/20120806/iphone-caused-crisis-of-design-at-samsung-memo/
Well here is the thing. If they are mainly suing over android features how come apple just does not go after google?
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Well here is the thing. If they are mainly suing over android features how come apple just does not go after google?
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That can't handle that "beast".
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screw apple I love their Macs but they really need to lay off android and stop trying to be the one and only mobile os there is nothing wrong with a little compitition. I will never buy another ios device because off all apples BS
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screw apple I love their Macs but they really need to lay off android and stop trying to be the one and only mobile os there is nothing wrong with a little compitition. I will never buy another ios device because off all apples BS
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with all respect to the late Steven P. Jobs, apple had a huge problem with people copying interfaces, and this is more of a Jobs thing.
If you look at the history of the company based in the Jobs biography, it has always had problems with competitors copying them, but seems like this time is the first time that they feel the leverage to pursue legal action.
I for one am seeing this as apple being completely ugly and childish, and it certainly has changed the way that I look at them and their products.
It also doesn't help that Samsung seems hell bent on losing this case. Most things they've done so far have either pissed off the Judge or made themselves look like idiots.
I don't know what street corner they got their lawyers from, but they need to seriously consider getting some new ones.
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It also doesn't help that Samsung seems hell bent on losing this case. Most things they've done so far have either pissed off the Judge or made themselves look like idiots.
I don't know what street corner they got their lawyers from, but they need to seriously consider getting some new ones.
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Perhaps this is a cultural divide.
It seems to me this legal battle is being fought on Apple's home turf.
Of course, I live in the USA.
I believe the justice system is impartial to a certain degree but South Korean companies do business differently (every country does) and their behavior from the get go I would agree seems a little uncouth.
Releasing the images of the prototypes to the media was a bad idea. I haven't kept up on the case as much as I would like but seems they don't get that they should play nice in court.
Mark930 said:
screw apple I love their Macs but they really need to lay off android and stop trying to be the one and only mobile os there is nothing wrong with a little compitition. I will never buy another ios device because off all apples BS
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Last I checked, the US still has anti-monopoly laws in place. Will it deter their dominance quest? Of course not. What can we do? What we already do: support and run Android! Plus, without apple, these forums would be overrun with idiots asking what the extra physical buttons do and demanding to know why they didn't receive a gingerbread and frozen yogurt sandwich covered in jelly beans and cupcake frosting with their device purchase
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Perhaps this is a cultural divide.
It seems to me this legal battle is being fought on Apple's home turf.
Of course, I live in the USA.
I believe the justice system is impartial to a certain degree but South Korean companies do business differently (every country does) and their behavior from the get go I would agree seems a little uncouth.
Releasing the images of the prototypes to the media was a bad idea. I haven't kept up on the case as much as I would like but seems they don't get that they should play nice in court.
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I think it was a good idea. Piss off the judge and if she shows that shes pissed and thus bias in court you get a mistrial and can get an easy appeal thus showing that evidence in court.
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I think it was a good idea. Piss off the judge and if she shows that shes pissed and thus bias in court you get a mistrial and can get an easy appeal thus showing that evidence in court.
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I think you are right. This will definitely go to appeal. Chances are that Samsung will get whatever judgement suspended until its worked its way through the system. This case is very hotly contested and I can see it making it to the Supreme Court.
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Well here is the thing. If they are mainly suing over android features how come apple just does not go after google?
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Why is that so damning? All I see is what any CEO should do and that is look at the competition and see what you have to do to compete with them?
I'll bet there is a memo like that in every mobile phone company's CEO email somewhere. You have to look at the competition, especially when they make something so different and game changing, and change directions and you have to communicate that some how.
Yeah, this is looking bad.
They don't sue Google because it's Samsung that allegedly infringed on their patents. They copied the form-factor, they copied the icons. The form-factor is less of an issue - I think they will win on that. A flat touchscreen in a square body is basically the only design you could use for a touch-centric OS. But the icons, and that document that came out today, oh God...
It is depressing that in the gigantic tech space, there really is no company besides Apple that has the user-centric design culture to make what is essentially a perfect device for the vast majority of users. They have copied, and will copy, but the difference is Apple is innovative in a way that Samsung and Google simply are not. Google is too geek-and-tech centric to do what Apple does. They love hacking. They love making phones people can hack. They are like us Android fans, they love customizability, and so they don't pay attention to the details that would make Android a perfect OS for mobile devices, because, in their world they WANT people to customize and add their own flair. They want people to be like them. And a lot of us are like that, we love it. I love it. But that's a minority. Most people want an appliance and a perfectly engineered system to play Angry Birds in.
iOS is designed just as a simple vehicle for launching apps for the most part. Android is designed to be a bit more than that. In any case they chose to use the Microsoft strategy of just getting the OS out there instead of making a device that would be a perfect synergy of hardware and software. And Samsung is just a consumer electronics company, making cookie-cutter devices for the most part. They are trying, I'll admit, but it's all half-assed. S-Voice is almost useless, they bring nothing special to Android with TouchWiz, the gestures are nice but really just gimmicky. And if they do come up with something absolutely original, they need to bring the fight to Apple, who will no doubt copy really useful features like voice-activation for the camera. And they probably won't...
There is no chance of monopoly issues as long as Android is as successful as it is. I remain convinced Android's biggest problem is there are simply not enough developers in the world interested in Android. There are numerous technical and economic reasons why Android does not have the apps and the polished apps we deserve. I fear, just as PC software was essentially Microsoft's domain for so many years, the next 15 years will be defined by the mobile space being iOS' domain. There simply isn't the justification for developers to work on Android as much, just as most PC software development was for Windows, not Macs back in the '90s...
I think Samsung will get hard...maybe it will be enough to startle them into innovation, but frankly, Asian companies do not have a great history of it. The last great consumer device to be invented in Asia was Sony's Walkman, and that was 30 years ago.
Face it, we have PCs. But PCs without the appbase. A few of us are enthusiasts, water-cooling and overclocking and have 3 screens. That's the XDA crowd, the hackers, the ROMers, the developers and themers. But the vast majority of Android users are downmarket folks who couldn't afford an iPhone but wanted to check their email and browse the web.
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Why is that so damning? All I see is what any CEO should do and that is look at the competition and see what you have to do to compete with them?
I'll bet there is a memo like that in every mobile phone company's CEO email somewhere. You have to look at the competition, especially when they make something so different and game changing, and change directions and you have to communicate that some how.
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I agree. Maybe I'm not seeing the context, but it sure just reads like he's pushing his developers to come up with better products, which is what he should be doing.
I understand that my sentiments will belong to the minority here, but the fact that we like certain aspects of android phones better than certain aspects of various iPhones doesn't change Apple's claims.
The court case isn't about a rectangular phone with rounded corners or rounded-square green phone icons, it's about the entirety of the widget. If any one of Apples claims were made on its own, the case would have long since been thrown out. We can't become so jaded by the ubiquity of the iPhone in 2012 to remember how vastly different, unique, and mind blowing it was in 2007. You will see by my profile here that, A) I don't post a whole heck of a lot, B) I was using touch screen XDA devices years before the iPhone came out, and C) after the iPhone came out, I dropped off the face of the xda-developers world. Not because I was an Apple fan-boy... but because they brought a product to market that it took competitors many years to try and catch up with. Phones of that day were slow, the interfaces were buggy and unintuitive. We had never seen a mobile OS interface that was designed from the ground up to be used without a stylus.
While we love to think that swipe to unlock, pinch to zoom and pages of horizontally scrolled square icons, touch screen predictive thumb keyboards are common place and should be fair game for all. I'm thinking that many forgot that there were a couple of years where there was only one show in town with those features.
I currently own a SGS3, I love it, but the very foundation of that phone (and almost all android phones) is built off of the bricks that Apple laid. You want to see someone who didn't wholesale steal the iPhone's groove? Look at Nokia, or Microsoft. (One might also note, that they haven't been doing all that great.) Someone has to be ill informed, disingenuous, or nearly blind to say that the smartphones of today look more like the non-iPhones of 2007 than the iPhone of 2007.
I would love for Apple to be wrong. I love their products, but I love competition better. The fact is, though, that wholesale theft and regurgitation of another company's product is not truly competition. Rather than defending Samsung or cursing Apple, we should be demanding that our devices be more than just half hearted clones.
//signed Devil's Advocate
marsonist said:
I understand that my sentiments will belong to the minority here, but the fact that we like certain aspects of android phones better than certain aspects of various iPhones doesn't change Apple's claims.
The court case isn't about a rectangular phone with rounded corners or rounded-square green phone icons, it's about the entirety of the widget. If any one of Apples claims were made on its own, the case would have long since been thrown out. We can't become so jaded by the ubiquity of the iPhone in 2012 to remember how vastly different, unique, and mind blowing it was in 2007. You will see by my profile here that, A) I don't post a whole heck of a lot, B) I was using touch screen XDA devices years before the iPhone came out, and C) after the iPhone came out, I dropped off the face of the xda-developers world. Not because I was an Apple fan-boy... but because they brought a product to market that it took competitors many years to try and catch up with. Phones of that day were slow, the interfaces were buggy and unintuitive. We had never seen a mobile OS interface that was designed from the ground up to be used without a stylus.
While we love to think that swipe to unlock, pinch to zoom and pages of horizontally scrolled square icons, touch screen predictive thumb keyboards are common place and should be fair game for all. I'm thinking that many forgot that there were a couple of years where there was only one show in town with those features.
I currently own a SGS3, I love it, but the very foundation of that phone (and almost all android phones) is built off of the bricks that Apple laid. You want to see someone who didn't wholesale steal the iPhone's groove? Look at Nokia, or Microsoft. (One might also note, that they haven't been doing all that great.) Someone has to be ill informed, disingenuous, or nearly blind to say that the smartphones of today look more like the non-iPhones of 2007 than the iPhone of 2007.
I would love for Apple to be wrong. I love their products, but I love competition better. The fact is, though, that wholesale theft and regurgitation of another company's product is not truly competition. Rather than defending Samsung or cursing Apple, we should be demanding that our devices be more than just half hearted clones.
//signed Devil's Advocate
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I think calling the S3 a half hearted clone is doing both the Android OS and the strides that Android hardware makers have made over the past several years a disservice. I love competition too. But I also believe it is in full force here. Competition is why the S3 is light years better than my first Android device, the Droid X. Competition is why the S3 is the fastest, smoothest and least buggy Android device I've owned. I agree that the iPhone was a ground breaking device that set the standard for all smartphones. But when I see just how far the Android ecosystem has advanced in just the past two years I can't help but be impressed. Two year ago (July 2010) I waited in line for the Droid X. It had Froyo, which was obviously inferior to iOS 3.0, which was on iPhone devices at that time. I have now moved on to the S3 with ICS. The difference is night and day -- almost beyond compare. This was made possible not only by vast improvements in the Android OS by Google but also because of vast improvements in the hardware designed to run it by smartphone makers such as Samsung and HTC. Also, if you really think the S3 is a half hearted clone, can I ask why you have one, why do you love it and what compelled you to switch from the iPhone? I'm not trying to sarcastic. I really would like to know. Thanks for listening to my two cents.
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kishin14 said:
I think calling the S3 a half hearted clone is doing both the Android OS and the strides that Android hardware makers have made over the past several years a disservice. I love competition too. But I also believe it is in full force here. Competition is why the S3 is light years better than my first Android device, the Droid X. Competition is why the S3 is the fastest, smoothest and least buggy Android device I've owned. I agree that the iPhone was a ground breaking device that set the standard for all smartphones. But when I see just how far the Android ecosystem has advanced in just the past two years I can't help but be impressed. Two year ago (July 2010) I waited in line for the Droid X. It had Froyo, which was obviously inferior to iOS 3.0, which was on iPhone devices at that time. I have now moved on to the S3 with ICS. The difference is night and day -- almost beyond compare. This was made possible not only by vast improvements in the Android OS by Google but also because of vast improvements in the hardware designed to run it by smartphone makers such as Samsung and HTC. Also, if you really think the S3 is a half hearted clone, can I ask why you have one, why do you love it and what compelled you to switch from the iPhone? I'm not trying to sarcastic. I really would like to know. Thanks for listening to my two cents.
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Absolutely fare questions. I own an Android device because I am inherently a tinkerer. I have had every generation of iPhone with a brief lapse in 2009 when the OG Droid was released. (I say brief because I gave it away after three months.) The interface and primary functionality of iPhones is a well worn path. I decided that I'd like something that I can toy with more. The ability to tinker is not a feather in Samsung's cap, however, rather a more fundamental aspect of the Android core.
It is now 2012. Early Android phones left *a lot* to be desired. Newer devices are more stable and have a few neat features that the iPhone doesn't, yet, have. Would these devices have lasted long enough to say "We've got NFC first" if they hadn't spent four years walking in the iPhones footsteps? I don't think so.
It's really a stupid case in my opinion. I mean, yeah, Samung probably took the iPhone as an example when they developed the Galaxy line. So what? Does Apple want Samsung to make phones shaped in a triangle? Beds have looked pretty much the same bar some details but no-one is complaining about copyright infringement. If something makes an impact as big as the iPhone on society, how is it possible not to think of it when developing a phone after it's release?
I hope Apple wins the software side of the argument so then maybe Samsung will stop puking their TW over android and let Google deal with any legal **** that comes about.
I have sat idle so many times for the dreaded Apple conversation, time and time again. I would eventually pop without venting... so screw it, here's my $0.02...
Apple makes phones for people who simply do not care about the differences that make Android so great. Choice of launcher, homescreen customization, (untouchable) Maps and Navigation, ROM choices (for most devices anyway) et cetera, et cetera. These people I mention aren't dumb. These people aren't sheep. These people are simply NOT INTERESTED in the things we Android fans are. Android devices are catered to (us) tweakers. The same ones who wish to walk through a few gardens, not just one that rarely changes. Enough already with the bashing, crap talking, and overall childish behavior. It's become silly how it always ends up with "they just suck", "___is better because___", and other idiotic rants. Let fanboys/girls have the phones they want, from both worlds. At the end of the day, if you're happy with YOUR phone, why give a sh*t what's in someone else's pocket/purse? Why does everything have to be such a pissing contest?
Thanks for letting me vent a bit.
JBD
I'm sure most people are fine with others' choices for phones. Problem arises when people say one OS is "better" than the other. "Better" is very subjective. I could say that Android is much more open, and customizable though.
I don't know how you would know that iPhone users are not interested in what Android fans are interested in. It could be that they never owned an Android device and/or don't know what Android has to offer.
Ngan said:
I'm sure most people are fine with others' choices for phones. Problem arises when people say one OS is "better" than the other. "Better" is very subjective. I could say that Android is much more open, and customizable though.
I don't know how you would know that iPhone users are not interested in what Android fans are interested in. It could be that they never owned an Android device and/or don't know what Android has to offer.
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I totally agree with subjective nature of the word "better". Well, my only source of information is straight from my friends and family that own Apple products. I ask them about what's important in a phone or tablet and tweaking, openness, customization, ROMing, etc. NEVER comes up. Some of these people HAVE owned Android variations, and choose Apple because it's like hitting the "easy button". It just works for their simple needs, well besides Maps haha. My main gripe is that they are both touchscreen OS variants, and they'e individually evolved into different niche markets. It's pointless to even compare the two as peer products anymore. They may in fact both be fruits, but apples and oranges are hard to compare after you get past that.... Pun intended.
My hatred of Apple doesn't come from their closed OS or anything to do with the hardware or software, I commend them on their product, but it's just the pure arrogance of the company that I cannot stand!
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My hatred of Apple doesn't come from their closed OS or anything to do with the hardware or software, I commend them on their product, but it's just the pure arrogance of the company that I cannot stand!
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I absolutely agree. Really I was referring to the opinions of the consumers, and misconceptions from the opposite sides of the smartphone-sphere. Not so much our opinions of the company itself. You are VERY correct about their arrogance though!